THeBlueCashew

This was written by a gal named Kim Rose after returning from a visit to family in Ontario.

Why does Alberta want to separate?

Answer: 
The primary reason is taxation without representation. Alberta continues to pay millions of dollars to provinces like Ontario and Quebec without equal representation at the table in Ottawa. Would you want to give a large portion of your pay cheque without a voice as to how you spend your money?  Imagine you work 40 hours a week, bring home 500 dollars to have your mom take a huge percentage give it to your brothers and sisters and you don't even get to choose an item for dinner at the grocery store?  This may be a very simplistic view but it is very similar.

Alberta continues to pay large equalization payments and yet due to the skewed way our electoral system is set up we have very few seats to sit in Ottawa. Alberta holds 9.6% of the seats yet we PAY over 9 billion dollars a year in payments and receive ZERO in equalization payments and Ontario holds 34% of the seats and pays ZERO but RECEIVES 546 MILLION dollars?  Why should a fairly fiscally (we aren't perfect) responsible Province continue to be the "bank" for the province in Canada with the most votes while our voices are not welcomed nor heard? Why are we constantly being asked to contribute as an adult but forced to sit at the kids table?  We are a province without a sales tax and yet we still manage to support a huge portion of the population of Canada.

So please when you think Albertans are whiny rednecks, just remember Alberta pays a lot of bills to keep the lights on in this country and all we are asking for is fair treatment but we feel the rest of the nation just wants to keep their hands out and neglect the hard working people of our province. Many of us do want a Canada that includes Alberta, but unless things change, many of us will be marking our referendum ballot with a very strong yes. Not for separation but FOR Alberta!  I may have been born and raised in Ontario but I am now a true blue Albertan with dusty boots and yes I am a proud whiny redneck.

Kim is right, but it is only part of the reason. We prairie folk ain't allowed to develop our own resources and make our folks richer like other provinces can.

Ottawa, and I mean the Liberals steps on the exclusive jurisdictions of Edmonton and Regina. They do not do that to Toronto, Quebec City or St Johns. Just our prairie provinces. It's unconstituional, but the Liberals don't care.

Ottawa's new law for provinces opting out of pension plan.
Freedom is closing doors on Alberta and Saskatchewan.
If passed, Bill C-387 would require a province leaving the CPP to receive support from two-thirds of the country's premiers..
Now you see why the 51st state makes sense

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That is the only pipeline that should be shut down.

Canada is a small market...
 Alberta's exports represent 53.1% of its Gross Domestic Product ($344.7 billion for 2024).
Given Alberta's population of 4.9 million people, its total CDN$183.2 billion in 2024 exports translates to roughly $37,500 for every resident.
** The following list shows the top 10 customers that purchased 96.4% worth of the total value of products exported from the province of Alberta during 2024:
•  United States: CDN$162.1 billion (88.5% of Alberta's total exports)
• mainland China: $6.7 billion (3.7%)
• Japan: $2.7 billion (1.5%)
• South Korea: $1.2 billion (0.6%)
• Mexico: $792.9 million (0.4%)
• Peru: $771.6 million (0.4%)
• Singapore: $668.5 million (0.4%)
• India: $620.1 million (0.3%)
• Hong Kong: $553.9 million (0.3%)
• Netherlands: $523.9 million (0.3%)
  Source:
https://www.worldstopexports.com/albertas-top-exports/
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Canada is screwed.
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Alberta will never reach its full potential within Canada. Not as it's structured, & not even if it could be restructured.
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Quote from: Herman on June 17, 2025, 06:37:34 PMCanada is screwed.
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Public debt is bad. Unlike the US, we will have to pay it back.

But, what alarms me the most is how indebted Canadians are. We carry the highest consumer debt in the world.

Vancouver MP and NDP Interim leader introduced a bill that would ban oil and gas from the grid in less than five years.

Make no mistake, Conman Carney supports this shit that would make your energy bills unaffordable and your spotty at best.

Executive summary:
An independent Alberta would reshape its fiscal and environmental landscape by retaining $68-75 billion in annual federal tax contribution, yielding a net gain of $44-47 billion after accounting for $22-26 billion in federal transfer.

Combined with provincial revenues of $74.1 billion (2025-26) and an Alberta Pension Plan (APP) generating $23.34 billion annually from a $183.7 billion asset base, total revenue reach $142.1-149.1 billion.
Expenditures, including $75.3 billion for provincial services and $22.7- 31.6 billion to replace federal service ( e.g. defense, policing, Indigenous service), total $98-106.9 billion, with one-time setup costs of $2.8-5.7 billion.

This results in a fiscal surplus of $29.4 -48.3 billion (excluding setup) or $23.6-45.5 billion ( including setup), enabling significant tax reductions, infrastructure investment, and debt reduction.
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The Alberta premier knows there are many people who voted for her UCP, the party she leads, the party governing Alberta, who would cast a Yes vote for Alberta leaving Canada if they had a referendum ballot in their hand today.

They are not all separatists.

More than a few are just sick and tired of Liberal Ottawa not listening to Alberta, not taking Alberta seriously, not dealing with long-standing legitimate grievances.

They would vote Yes as the last and loudest attempt to get through the thick skulls of those calling the shots down east in the Carney cocoon.

"I hope he takes the separatist sentiment as seriously as I do," says Smith on Tuesday in Calgary.

Yes, Smith does say the reason for the rise in separatist feeling is because of bad policies cooked up in Liberal Ottawa and thrown in Alberta's face.

She mentions the bad policies every time she talks to Carney. She tells him to get rid of them and investors will invest and take on major projects.

Crickets from Carney.

This is an eye opener.
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Imagine an Alberta that Separated in 1975 and invested 50 years of Quebec Equalization in Alberta?

What would the $600 Billion lost be worth today if properly invested in Alberta and Albertans?

While Canadian media remains silent, CNN just published an in-depth feature on Alberta's independence movement (last week they made the headlines in the Wall Street Journal), showcasing the growing momentum to a global audience.

"In oil-rich Alberta, where a movement for independence from Canada appears to be gathering steam..." the article begins, highlighting the rallies, the supporters, and momentum.

CNN reports that "a third of Albertans currently support independence" - a number that continues to climb as more citizens recognize the possibilities of sovereignty.

Old Herman is so embarrassed by the leadership of this country. Let's go independent now. We don't need this kind of crap anymore. I am so frickin tired of prog bullshit.
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I don't know how you all cope in a country that is frozen for a large part of the year.

Quote from: caskur on June 28, 2025, 06:38:18 PMI don't know how you all cope in a country that is frozen for a large part of the year.

It was tolerable when Canada was prosperous and free. We used to have GDP/capita equal to the US. Now it's way less.

Quality immigrants don't want to settle permanently in Canada. Young Canadians and immigrants already here are leaving for greener pastutes like I did.

Canada will be a 3rd world country in 15 years thanks to libtards.

Quote from: Shen Li on June 28, 2025, 08:09:34 PMIt was tolerable when Canada was prosperous and free. We used to have GDP/capita equal to the US. Now it's way less.

Quality immigrants don't want to settle permanently in Canada. Young Canadians and immigrants already here are leaving for greener pastutes like I did.

Canada will be a 3rd world country in 15 years thanks to libtards.

Have you acclimatised to Singapore's weather yet Shen? It would be less humid atm.

 

We having chilly temps but fairly warm days.

Quote from: caskur on June 28, 2025, 10:00:45 PMHave you acclimatised to Singapore's weather yet Shen? It would be less humid atm.

 

Oh ya. Having a pool really helps.

I'm still getting the flu more often than I did in Canada. Every building has the AC blasting and then you go outside in the humid air.
 
We only turn on the AC at night. The rest of the time we use fans only.

Quote from: caskur on June 28, 2025, 10:03:16 PMWe having chilly temps but fairly warm days.

It's 33 degrees here.

Quote from: Shen Li on June 29, 2025, 01:26:55 AMIt's 33 degrees here.

It's the middle of winter here, minimum is 12 and maximum will be 20. That's a heat wave in Canada....lol

I thought it might be less humid in Singapore this time of year but according to you, it's not.

At the top of Australia we have 2 seasons, one is the dry and the other is the wet season... both are hot but the wet season is humidity from hell. It's also called Troppo. Or going Troppo and it means the wet season sends people troppo or Mad.

There are more germs around in hot climates.... keep plenty of Isocol (rubbing alcohol antiseptic) around and any cut skin put some on.

Quote from: Shen Li on June 28, 2025, 08:09:34 PMIt was tolerable when Canada was prosperous and free. We used to have GDP/capita equal to the US. Now it's way less.

Quality immigrants don't want to settle permanently in Canada. Young Canadians and immigrants already here are leaving for greener pastutes like I did.

Canada will be a 3rd world country in 15 years thanks to libtards.

To give an analogy that caskur can relate to, Canada is like New Zealand. That country brings in a lot of immigrants relative to it's population. Most leave when they get a NZ passport. Too many NZ born young people do the same. Most go to Australia, just like most Canadians that leave choose the US.

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Quote from: caskur on June 29, 2025, 03:20:34 AMAt the top of Australia we have 2 seasons, one is the dry and the other is the wet season... both are hot but the wet season is humidity from hell.

That is SG.

Quote from: caskur on June 29, 2025, 03:20:34 AMIt's the middle of winter here, minimum is 12 and maximum will be 20. That's a heat wave in Canada....lol

You'd be surprised; Ottawa in the summertime it isn't uncommon to see temperatures in the mid thirties. Coupled with the humidity (there's a lot of surface water in the Ottawa Valley) and it's comparable to 42 in Melbourne in terms of comfort. You get an hour or more daylight in the summer there, that goes a long way to heating things up.

The winters are something else, especially on sunny days. With no cloud cover to trap the heat, it can regularly drop to 20-30 degrees below freezing, with wind chill making it feel more like minus 40. I've managed jeans and a tee shirt at minus five with no wind chill for ten minutes without trouble, I've also made the mistake of looking out the window, seeing blue skies and forgetting my parka on the way out the door. It... well, it takes your breath away, that much I can promise you. Rugging up is really the only defence you have and even then, a stiff wind and that chill goes straight to the marrow. And it can fucken hurt like a motherfucker.

And that's in a relatively temperate part of Canada. I shudder to think how bad it must get out in the prairies or the maritimes, never mind heading up to the Artic circle. Appreciate that and you also appreciate the kind of ratbag animal that turds like Carney and Trudeau are for insisting on green energy solutions where fossil fuel makes far more sense.

Quote from: caskur on June 29, 2025, 03:20:34 AMAt the top of Australia we have 2 seasons, one is the dry and the other is the wet season...

Canada has two seasons too... "winter" and "construction". Because you can't do a lot of building when the ground is frozen solid. Swing a mattock at the ground in winter and it's akin to trying to pickaxe your way through concrete. And speaking of concrete, that stuff gets brittle and rots if left unprotected (as does terracotta) so if you've any planters it's generally a good idea to store them in a barn or a garage.

You would like the sunsets I think. Less orange than you are used to, more of a pinkish/blue colour cast. And the autumn.... mile after mile of red and golden leafed maple trees. No photo does it justice, though I know that wouldn't stop you from trying.

But a word of advice; if by any chance you get to travel there before the liberals well and truly fuck it up, try to avoid the city snow melts at the beginning of spring. Black snow turning to brown slush, revealing the months of accumulated trash and dogshit. It's not the greatest of experiences, lol.

Quote from: DKG on June 29, 2025, 10:13:08 AMTo give an analogy that caskur can relate to, Canada is like New Zealand. That country brings in a lot of immigrants relative to it's population. Most leave when they get a NZ passport. Too many NZ born young people do the same. Most go to Australia, just like most Canadians that leave choose the US.

New Zealand is very expensive. Mainly their realestate. AND THEY talk funny...

They seem to mix up their e and i ..

So when the say six it sounds like sex.

And when they say sex, it sounds like six.

It's very strange.

Quote from: caskur on June 30, 2025, 11:13:09 AMNew Zealand is very expensive. Mainly their realestate. AND THEY talk funny...

They seem to mix up their e and i ..

So when the say six it sounds like sex.

And when they say sex, it sounds like six.

It's very strange.

I've heard just about everything is more expensive in NZ than Australia. And NZ wages are lower than Australia too because their productivity is lower.

That is Canada compared to the US. It is more expensive to live here and we have lower salaries because our productivity is so much lower.

Quote from: DKG on July 01, 2025, 11:01:44 AMI've heard just about everything is more expensive in NZ than Australia. And NZ wages are lower than Australia too because their productivity is lower.

That is Canada compared to the US. It is more expensive to live here and we have lower salaries because our productivity is so much lower.

I'm shocked that the cucknadian dollar is worth about $0.50 british pounds! I would think tourism and business from the U.K. would have helped your economy weather anything!

Quote from: Lokmar on July 01, 2025, 11:57:23 AMI'm shocked that the cucknadian dollar is worth about $0.50 british pounds! I would think tourism and business from the U.K. would have helped your economy weather anything!

Tourism does not butter Canada's bread. Resource extraction does and the Liberals are blocking that.

Quote from: DKG on July 01, 2025, 11:01:44 AMI've heard just about everything is more expensive in NZ than Australia. And NZ wages are lower than Australia too because their productivity is lower.

That is Canada compared to the US. It is more expensive to live here and we have lower salaries because our productivity is so much lower.

The difference between New Zealand and Canada is that we should be the richest country in the world. But, globalists like the entire Liberal party are engineering our collapse.

Quote from: Brent on July 01, 2025, 01:16:29 PMThe difference between New Zealand and Canada is that we should be the richest country in the world. But, globalists like the entire Liberal party are engineering our collapse.

They are. We have to stop them.

Every Albertan needs to know the cost of being Canadian.
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Some of this person's reasons I share. However, it is the loss of prosperity in Canada that is the main reason we pulled the pin on the sinking Canadian ship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xa6apF6T0g

Hey you Canadian Haters, what's the real reason Alberta Separatists want to leave Canada?

So they can join the United States?

America is $37 Trillion in debt. No wonder the MAGA supporters encourage Alberta to separate. Because the USA is broke & the only way the can create another American century is to obtain a cheap & plentiful source of oil.

Danielle Smith is willing to sell out Alberta to these interests to benefit a few. Not Albertans or especially Canada.

Quote from: Shen Li on July 07, 2025, 01:40:38 AMSome of this person's reasons I share. However, it is the loss of prosperity in Canada that is the main reason we pulled the pin on the sinking Canadian ship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xa6apF6T0g

I am considering living in Florida year round instead of six months a year when I retire. And I am considering moving that date earlier by a couple of years.

I really like what the Sunshine state is doing in terms of freedom, spending and taxation. I don't really like much of anything fake conservative Doug Ford is doing. His opponents in the last provincial election were even worse.

Most of all I like that US states are asserting their jusrisdiction even when the Dems are in power and trying to usurp state's rights. Canada's premiers with the exception of Scott Moe and Danielle Smith seem happy to hand over provincial autonomy to Ottawa.

Any Americans thinking of taking a vacay in Canada this summer.
You guys have the money. Look at going to another country.
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Quote from: JOE on July 07, 2025, 09:39:38 AMHey you Canadian Haters, what's the real reason Alberta Separatists want to leave Canada?

So they can join the United States?

America is $37 Trillion in debt. No wonder the MAGA supporters encourage Alberta to separate. Because the USA is broke & the only way the can create another American century is to obtain a cheap & plentiful source of oil.

Danielle Smith is willing to sell out Alberta to these interests to benefit a few. Not Albertans or especially Canada.

We have guns and Trump. PWN3D!

Quote from: Lokmar on July 07, 2025, 02:39:46 PMWe have guns and Trump. PWN3D!

And jobs that pay a livable salary.

The Liberals destroyed Canada's immigration system with their radical policies and incompetent management.
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An independent Alberta could :
• Eliminate ALL personal income taxes
• Cut the GST
• Fund world-class healthcare and education
• Build a $1 trillion Heritage Fund by 2045

This isn't fantasy - it's math.

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Canada is sinking, fast.
Dragged down by a failed ideology, mass immigration, and a collapsing economy.
Alberta and Saskatchewan do not have to go down with the ship.
It's time to save ourselves.
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Even if Alberta and Saskatchewan secede I hope they ise the US dollar as their currency.

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Just think how rich the prairies would be without Canaduh.  :yeahhh:

Now think how poor Canaduh would be without the prairie provinces.

Quote from: Shen Li on July 14, 2025, 08:38:01 PMEven if Alberta and Saskatchewan secede I hope they ise the US dollar as their currency.

...and a lotta people from the Prairies would hate it too because many of their benefits would be cut.

Secession is a 1%er's dream Shen Li Shen

They only want to enrich themselves at every other Westerner's expense.

Quote from: Shen Li on July 15, 2025, 08:43:14 PMJust think how rich the prairies would be without Canaduh.  :yeahhh:

Now think how poor Canaduh would be without the prairie provinces.

And a united Canada would be much wealthier if the federal Liberals would put Canadians first and help the prairies develop their riches instead of blocking it.

Quote from: DKG on July 16, 2025, 09:46:00 AMAnd a united Canada would be much wealthier if the federal Liberals would put Canadians first and help the prairies develop their riches instead of blocking it.

Keeping C-69, the industrial emissions ceiling, the Impact Assessment, C-48 means Conman Carney aint having it. Giving a veto to any one province and Indians was the final nail in the coffin for Alberta and Saskatchewan.

Quote from: DKG on July 16, 2025, 09:46:00 AMAnd a united Canada would be much wealthier if the federal Liberals would put Canadians first and help the prairies develop their riches instead of blocking it.

The Liberal Party of Canada's base is now old whites. Old white Canadians are selfish assholes who don't give a fuck if the current and future generations suffer because of their votes. Another reason why I don't want my sons growing up in that future third world hole.

Last year, the federal government spent more on interest charges than it sent to the provinces for health care.

What would your family do with an extra $11,240 every year?

That's what the average Alberta household would save through tax reductions if we became independent.

The math is simple: Alberta sends $68-75 BILLION (just in federal taxes) to Ottawa annually but gets only $22-26 billion back.

Not only would independence mean lower taxes, it would mean lower pension contributions, reduced tuition costs, and enhanced healthcare.

Quote from: Herman on July 16, 2025, 10:15:09 PMLast year, the federal government spent more on interest charges than it sent to the provinces for health care.

Canadian health care was already unsustainable. No province will be able to afford the current way we pay for health care in the coming years. This will speed up the demise of our health care model. That is not necessarily a bad thing.

Quote from: DKG on July 17, 2025, 10:20:16 AMCanadian health care was already unsustainable. No province will be able to afford the current way we pay for health care in the coming years. This will speed up the demise of our health care model. That is not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm sure some excuse will be made at some point to tax the citizenry more to prop it up. Along with the creation of more bureaucracy to ensure the money gets spent "wisely", just look at Britain's NHS.

Quote from: DKG on July 17, 2025, 10:20:16 AMCanadian health care was already unsustainable. No province will be able to afford the current way we pay for health care in the coming years. This will speed up the demise of our health care model. That is not necessarily a bad thing.

I do not care anymore if it is the government or private companies delivering health care so long as we can access it when we need it. We cannot do that anymore.

Time to cut the free loaders loose. Imagine what we could do in Alberta and Saskatchewan with all the money that is extracted from us.
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Quote from: Herman on July 17, 2025, 06:36:38 PMI do not care anymore if it is the government or private companies delivering health care so long as we can access it when we need it. We cannot do that anymore.

We all know a competing private health care system is inevitable to save public health care.

Quote from: DKG on July 18, 2025, 10:08:02 AMWe all know a competing private health care system is inevitable to save public health care.

I do not give a shit who delivers health care as long as it is there when we need it. About on in four Canadians cannot access health care because they cannot find a doctor. Tens of thousands of Canadians are dying every year waiting for surgeries.

We spend a fortune on health care. For Christ sake fix it now and stop playing games.

Quote from: Herman on July 18, 2025, 03:16:10 PMI do not give a shit who delivers health care as long as it is there when we need it. About on in four Canadians cannot access health care because they cannot find a doctor. Tens of thousands of Canadians are dying every year waiting for surgeries.

We spend a fortune on health care. For Christ sake fix it now and stop playing games.

As long as there is always public health care. I used to have a problem with private competition, but that is what all developed countries with better health care delivery than Canada have.

Ottawa has blocked new pipelines (C–69), canceled multiple oil and gas projects, capped oil and gas production, and banned ships needed to carry Alberta resources to various overseas markets (C-48; Smith, 2025).  A list of the cancelled projects can be found in the article, "Billions lost in ditched resource projects," (Resource Works, 2025) where they cite the loss of $670 Billion since 2015 (Canada Action, 2024).

Yet, the expectancy for Alberta to still contribute the same amount of money to Ottawa for personal income tax and Equalization payments remains the same.

Quote from: Herman on July 21, 2025, 02:26:03 PM...the expectancy for Alberta to still contribute the same amount of money to Ottawa for personal income tax and Equalization payments remains the same.

Of course it is. And it will for as long as your premier continues to negotiate a solution with Ottawa.

I've told you before. AB and SK need to be independent of Canada. You know this to be true. I don't give a red raw shit how much praise you sing for the efforts of your premier, if they aren't 100% behind getting your province the fuck out of Dodge, you need representation from someone that is.

Quote from: . on July 23, 2025, 06:33:06 AMOf course it is. And it will for as long as your premier continues to negotiate a solution with Ottawa.

I've told you before. AB and SK need to be independent of Canada. You know this to be true. I don't give a red raw shit how much praise you sing for the efforts of your premier, if they aren't 100% behind getting your province the fuck out of Dodge, you need representation from someone that is.

Even if premiers Moe and Smith sectretly support independence for their provinces, it would be political suicide for them to endorse it.

Quote from: DKG on July 23, 2025, 09:36:39 AMEven if premiers Moe and Smith sectretly support independence for their provinces, it would be political suicide for them to endorse it.

How? I was under the impression they were there by popular vote, by a populace who were largely in favour of "getting the fuck out of Dodge".

Assuming all of the above were true, the only reason you could expect me to believe that it would be political suicide for them to openly support secession would be if Alberta and Saskatchewan were largely comprised of retards that would happily vote against what they had been openly clamouring for.

I'd call such behaviour illogical, but maybe it makes sense to keener intellects than mine.

Maybe those keener intellects can be found in the CBC or the Toronto Star?

Quote from: . on July 25, 2025, 05:16:51 AMHow? I was under the impression they were there by popular vote, by a populace who were largely in favour of "getting the fuck out of Dodge".

Assuming all of the above were true, the only reason you could expect me to believe that it would be political suicide for them to openly support secession would be if Alberta and Saskatchewan were largely comprised of retards that would happily vote against what they had been openly clamouring for.

I'd call such behaviour illogical, but maybe it makes sense to keener intellects than mine.

Maybe those keener intellects can be found in the CBC or the Toronto Star?

Herman will know more about this than I will.

My understanding is that almost all of the separatist support on the prairies is in rural areas. And it's often soft support. If Carney would reverse some Trudeau era rules as well as his own consensus rule and we got a private company to build a pipeline to tidewater, support for separation would drop. 

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Quote from: DKG on July 25, 2025, 10:24:05 AMIf Carney would reverse some Trudeau era rules as well as his own consensus rule and we got a private company to build a pipeline to tidewater, support for separation would drop. 

A big "if", particularly given recent passage of certain bills, but no matter. While libtard support is traditionally vested in population centers. it has been my understanding that more people in the aforementioned provinces favour a release from all ties to Wellington Street (and all that entails) than the group of political masochists that don't. And do feel free to correct me if I am in error.

Moreover, the practice of lying to the public and getting fucked over for ones troubles is getting old. Especially when it is hitting the hip pocket so overtly as it is in AB and SK. I would (and have) argued that grossly obscene equalization payments in return for fuck all remuneration in infrastructure that would reward the electorate has got to be a pretty sizeable bone sticking in the craw of most people out that way. More so when so many are finding their backs to the wall. Then again I have noted that the lion's share of Canadians are too damn nice for their own good, preferring instead to go along to get along. Meaning that Alberta's and Saskatchewan's dreams of a better outcome are doomed to Fail. I believe Herman and I have had discussions where I have alluded to this. I know I have expressed skepticism about the alacrity of both provinces making good on cutting their ties to the onerous arrangement currently in play with the federal government, something which you appear to be assuring me is the case.

It's a damn shame, because if any provinces could leave the jurisdiction of Canada at large AND make a fist of it post-secession, it would be Alberta and Saskatchewan. And I will not sugarcoat it, the only way it's going to happen is if a majority of voters in that area stop pussyfooting the fuck around and start acting (and voting) in their best interests.

Otherwise this whole independence schtick is as doomed to fail as Quebec's was.

Which would suck no end of ass, but there it is. I love a good underdog fight, hell... America loves a good underdog fight. And putting ones faith in mealy mouthed fuckwads that cannot openly commit to a popular cause is NOT the way for an underdog to come out on top. As I said back at the beginning, the provinces and their peoples will go a long way to promoting themselves as a valuable inclusion to the US if they actually fight for it. Not rolling over for the representatives they voted for to sashay on in and treat them and their wishlists like doormats.

The lord helps those that help themselves. Or (as Frank Zappa once wrote), the meek shall inherit nothing.

Right now, the average Albertan making $78,000 a year takes home just $44,400 after federal taxes. And that's before factoring in federal transfers, regulatory costs, and decaying economic conditions.

Canadians now spend more on taxes than they do on food, housing, and clothing combined — according to the Fraser Institute's 2024 Canadian Consumer Tax Index.

Under a restructured, independent Alberta model, you could keep $70,000 or more of that same income and we could go on to eliminate income taxes completely within 5 years.

No Ottawa grab. No bloated bureaucracy. Just a flat, local tax — and real control over your future.

Not wishful thinking — a realistic plan backed by Alberta's wealth.
Independence means more freedom, more opportunity, and keeping what's yours.
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Canada is a failed state that has worked against the interests of citizens.
It's time for Alberta and Saskatchewan to form a new nation.
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Alberta's separation question, unlike Quebec's, is crystal clear

Whatever one thinks of Alberta's separation movement, the referendum question it seeks to pose to Albertans is a vast improvement over those confronting voters in the 1995 and 1980 Quebec referenda on separation.

Proposed by Mitch Sylvestre, chair of the separatist Alberta Prosperity Project, it seeks a "YES" or "NO" answer to the question: "Do you agree that the Province of Alberta shall become a sovereign country and cease to be a province in Canada?"

That would appear to satisfy the first requirement of the federal Clarity Act passed by Parliament in 2000, incorporating the legal advice of the Supreme Court of Canada, that the question on separation must be "clear" to those voting on it.

Particularly so when compared to the question posed to Quebecers in the 1995 Quebec referendum on separation. It read: "Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign, after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership, within the scope of the Bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on 12 June 1995?"
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If Alberta secedes, drop the Canadian peso and adopt the US dollar as your currency.

Quote from: Herman on July 27, 2025, 02:41:15 PMCanada is a failed state that has worked against the interests of citizens.
It's time for Alberta and Saskatchewan to form a new nation.
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Have a good time sending all your money to Washington DC, hey Herman Herm?

Israel will also you and your son/grandchildren to fight their wars too.

No low cost Medicare either.

If you leave Canada there's no easy street anymore, hey Herm?

Quote from: Shen Li on August 01, 2025, 05:55:40 PMIf Alberta secedes, drop the Canadian peso and adopt the US dollar as your currency.

I think our best defense against Canada fucking us up the ass after a successful autonomy vote is to seek some sort of union with the US.

The less control them Ottawa cunts have over us the freer and richer we will be.

Quote from: Herman on August 02, 2025, 07:16:57 PMI think our best defense against Canada fucking us up the ass after a successful autonomy vote is to seek some sort of union with the US.

The less control them Ottawa cunts have over us the freer and richer we will be.

And adopt the greenback as your currency. Think of my investments in Alberta.

Alberta and Saskatchewan have had enough of Ottawa's empty vows: "It'll be different this time!" Yeah, right. Same gaslighting, same lies, same federal boot on our neck. Time to hail that independence taxi and never look back.
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The values that most Albertans hold dear come from what we might call "Old Canada." These are the values of hard work, looking out for one another, and making sure everyone has a chance to succeed. Before the 1970s, Canada was known for its strong social safety net, including unemployment insurance, healthcare, and pensions (Telford, 2014). These are the values that built strong families and strong communities.

Today, some people confuse "Canadian" values with the values of central Canada, especially during the Trudeau era, and now visibly in Mark Carney's reign too. These "Pro-Ottawa" values often focus on global issues, open borders, and big government spending, sometimes at the expense of local needs. But prairie folks know that the future of family depends on keeping our traditions alive, supporting our neighbours, and making sure our children have the same opportunities we did.

Prairie folks believe in freedom. The freedom to work hard, to build a business, to raise a family, and to make our own choices. This is what we mean by freedom evolution. It's about opportunity, prosperity, and independence. It's about not being told what to do by people who don't understand our way of life.

Some people say that if you stand up for Alberta and Saskatchewan, you are a "traitor to Canada." But that's not true. Standing up for the prairies means standing up for the values that made Canada great in the first place. It means protecting our way of life, our families, and our future.

Quote from: Herman on August 05, 2025, 02:19:35 PMSome people say that if you stand up for Alberta and Saskatchewan, you are a "traitor to Canada."

Let them namecall, I don't mind. In order for me to value their opinion of me I would need to respect them first.

I don't. 

Quote from: . on August 06, 2025, 07:19:35 AMLet them namecall, I don't mind. In order for me to value their opinion of me I would need to respect them first.

I don't. 

Progtards cannot offer anything constructive for the working classes, so they namecall.

Quote from: Brent on August 08, 2025, 12:05:26 PMProgtards cannot offer anything constructive for the working classes, so they namecall.

And they're not exactly creative when they do it either. Shit, I've indulged in back and forth namecalling with some of the best wordsmiths there were... for fun. Mine and my opponents. Frood or Biggie can attest to this, they were witness to some of it.

Sticks and stones break bones. Words? Meh, I judge my worth by better metrics than those offered by a howling mob of uninspired yahoos. I imagine there's a few here who would agree that the ability to lay straight in one's own bed of a night, or to look in the mirror of a morning and not be repulsed by what they find there... is key.

Hey, if it matters to the reader what others think of them, then.... "sorry"? A lot of these crybabies would hate it if their incessant namecalling didn't have some bearing somewhere, but you can get a lot further ahead by identifying what you believe to be worthy of your "best efforts" and putting in the hard yards to make that happen. For you and what is most important to you. Some like to adhere to the tenets of religion, others are invested with the spiritual. Me... well I like to make "my garden" and those that populate it a place where we can all do a little better together.

While being free and easy to call each other whatever the fuck makes us smile.  :pardon:

Quote from: . on August 11, 2025, 06:54:45 AMAnd they're not exactly creative when they do it either. Shit, I've indulged in back and forth namecalling with some of the best wordsmiths there were... for fun. Mine and my opponents. Frood or Biggie can attest to this, they were witness to some of it.

Sticks and stones break bones. Words? Meh, I judge my worth by better metrics than those offered by a howling mob of uninspired yahoos. I imagine there's a few here who would agree that the ability to lay straight in one's own bed of a night, or to look in the mirror of a morning and not be repulsed by what they find there... is key.

Hey, if it matters to the reader what others think of them, then.... "sorry"? A lot of these crybabies would hate it if their incessant namecalling didn't have some bearing somewhere, but you can get a lot further ahead by identifying what you believe to be worthy of your "best efforts" and putting in the hard yards to make that happen. For you and what is most important to you. Some like to adhere to the tenets of religion, others are invested with the spiritual. Me... well I like to make "my garden" and those that populate it a place where we can all do a little better together.

While being free and easy to call each other whatever the fuck makes us smile.  :pardon:

Fat Oak is the biggest crybaby. Seadunce is a sensitive little retard.

Quote from: Brent on August 11, 2025, 12:16:13 PMFat Oak is the biggest crybaby. Seadunce is a sensitive little retard.

I can't help damaged goods like the Spandex Enormity and Sea-gollum. Both have massively inflated victim complexes and think the world is out to get them. The real truth is probably closer to nobody giving enough of a fuck to be anywhere near those two oxygen thieves.

Quote from: . on August 12, 2025, 06:25:16 AMI can't help damaged goods like the Spandex Enormity and Sea-gollum. Both have massively inflated victim complexes and think the world is out to get them. The real truth is probably closer to nobody giving enough of a fuck to be anywhere near those two oxygen thieves.

Forums are definitely not for Seamoron. From what I have read Oak takes all of this too seriously.

In Alberta, crime dropped nine percent last year.

Alberta is backing their police and sheriffs. They are shutting down drug houses, targeting gangs, putting more officers on the streets, and making sure law enforcement has the tools, resources, and support they need to keep communities safe.

It is working. Families are safer because Alberta is doing its part.

But Ottawa is undoing that progress. Their broken bail system puts violent repeat offenders right back in your neighbourhood. Criminals who should be behind bars are walking free to reoffend. Families pay the price while the federal government looks the other way.

Quote from: DKG on August 12, 2025, 09:52:55 AMForums are definitely not for Seamoron. From what I have read Oak takes all of this too seriously.

She took it seriously enough to go right off her trolley when I had business in Scat Fagcrisco. One pic of me at the airport was all it took for her to start screeching about hitting me over the head with frozen produce on her doorstep.

I wasn't even aware she lived in that shithole, my plans sure as fuck didn't include a meet and greet. Any leftist enclave that hands out poo maps at tourist centers is somewhere I tend to limit my time to the barest minimum where possible and Scat Fagcrisco is famously one of those places, thanks to the human excrement that keeps voting for more of that turd utopia.

Quote from: . on August 12, 2025, 05:52:29 PMShe took it seriously enough to go right off her trolley when I had business in Scat Fagcrisco. One pic of me at the airport was all it took for her to start screeching about hitting me over the head with frozen produce on her doorstep.

I wasn't even aware she lived in that shithole, my plans sure as fuck didn't include a meet and greet. Any leftist enclave that hands out poo maps at tourist centers is somewhere I tend to limit my time to the barest minimum where possible and Scat Fagcrisco is famously one of those places, thanks to the human excrement that keeps voting for more of that turd utopia.

I thought Oak lived in metro LA.

Quote from: Shen Li on August 12, 2025, 08:42:27 PMI thought Oak lived in metro LA.

She will live anywhere as long as they have doordash to get her fast food fix eight times a day.

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The prairies are being robbed by Justine and Conman Carney's Liberals.
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Saskatchewan too.
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Quote from: Herman on August 13, 2025, 07:00:52 PM(https://scontent.fyxd1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/531632985_798001852580322_3147448039669701696_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296_tt6&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=VkYk8_Fs3CMQ7kNvwFJwYhp&_nc_oc=AdmORXk8md_UgSD-8cKMIcpOifsvvSPtBUVsBuKOmJKJGDjH4YpFuBaptMvzx8wrGu0eYY6wq3iiB9OmFLGkbTNU&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fyxd1-1.fna&_nc_gid=QFyjUVQy8NnyY5wpF9LWqg&oh=00_AfVVKqZTe9J_IBPp4CiNO06l-TTFJja0mx4FQMh4uQUPCQ&oe=68A2EC37)

It is bad for Canada as well as the prairies. No doubt it is good for Carney's investments.

Quote from: Brent on August 13, 2025, 08:02:15 PMIt is bad for Canada as well as the prairies. No doubt it is good for Carney's investments.

Guaranteed

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Quote from: Herman on August 13, 2025, 07:00:52 PM(https://scontent.fyxd1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/531632985_798001852580322_3147448039669701696_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296_tt6&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=VkYk8_Fs3CMQ7kNvwFJwYhp&_nc_oc=AdmORXk8md_UgSD-8cKMIcpOifsvvSPtBUVsBuKOmJKJGDjH4YpFuBaptMvzx8wrGu0eYY6wq3iiB9OmFLGkbTNU&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fyxd1-1.fna&_nc_gid=QFyjUVQy8NnyY5wpF9LWqg&oh=00_AfVVKqZTe9J_IBPp4CiNO06l-TTFJja0mx4FQMh4uQUPCQ&oe=68A2EC37)

Canada is on a suicide mission. I am soooooo glad I got my sons out before it's too late.

Quote from: Shen Li on August 12, 2025, 08:42:27 PMI thought Oak lived in metro LA.

Maybe she lives in both, I cannot say. Someone as fat as I'm told she is could probably manage it I imagine. You might think something of that size would show up on my radar, but as I never posted at Stomping Groundz and barely read a third of what people pointed me at there, Oak was (to put it mildly) inconsequential from my perspective.

Still is. Fat aging fucks don't figure highly on the sc`T Spank Bank index, though if someone thought to pump her and Mudcock full of angel dust and have them wrestle in a wading pool of their own vomit I might watch for a couple of minutes... maybe place a bet on who I the ultimate winner would be.

The beer would need to be good of course and I'd prefer there was someone there capable of carrying on a decent conversation. Otherwise it would get boring real quick.

Quote from: . on August 14, 2025, 03:19:52 AMMaybe she lives in both, I cannot say. Someone as fat as I'm told she is could probably manage it I imagine. You might think something of that size would show up on my radar, but as I never posted at Stomping Groundz and barely read a third of what people pointed me at there, Oak was (to put it mildly) inconsequential from my perspective.

Still is. Fat aging fucks don't figure highly on the sc`T Spank Bank index, though if someone thought to pump her and Mudcock full of angel dust and have them wrestle in a wading pool of their own vomit I might watch for a couple of minutes... maybe place a bet on who I the ultimate winner would be.

The beer would need to be good of course and I'd prefer there was someone there capable of carrying on a decent conversation. Otherwise it would get boring real quick.

I did not know anything about her either until she showed up here and demanding a former owner ban Zetsu.

The nerve of that fat squealing pig.

Quote from: Herman on August 13, 2025, 07:02:12 PMThe prairies are being robbed by Justine and Conman Carney's Liberals.
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That is a trillion dollars going to America and further abroad.

Quote from: Shen Li on July 07, 2025, 08:23:42 PMAnd jobs that pay a livable salary.

Actually a lot of Americans are having a tough time finding decent jobs these days Shen Li Shen. Many have lost their jobs in 2025 too. And the ones who did often can't find new ones.

So how the USA going to absorb all these unemployed/underemployed Canadians?

The economy is tough all over in North America and Europe.

Maybe some parts of Asia are doing well or some states in the Arab Gulf need workers,

Quote from: JOE on August 14, 2025, 11:34:34 PMActually a lot of Americans are having a tough time finding decent jobs these days Shen Li Shen. Many have lost their jobs in 2025 too. And the ones who did often can't find new ones.

So how the USA going to absorb all these unemployed/underemployed Canadians?

The economy is tough all over in North America and Europe.

Maybe some parts of Asia are doing well or some states in the Arab Gulf need workers,

Jo Jo remember what I told you after you blew me last night about apples to oranges comparisons.

The American unemployment rate is 4.2 percent. Canada on the other hand has an unemployment rate of 6.9 percent.

America has a GDP per capita of $89,000 per year. Canada's GDP per capita stands at a paltry $53,000 per annum.

America's growth stood at three percent in that last quarter. By contrast Canada's GDP has been stagnant for years.

Honeybunch, I understand you don't work. You are not a participant in the economy so you have no clue that the US job market offers opportunities that Canada has not had for over a decade. This is why more than 100,000 thousand skilled Canadian workers leave Canada for America every year.

Understand now Pussycat or do you need to get on your knees first.

So our prime minister will not do anything to end China's tariffs on the prairie's canola industry. Carney traded Canada's bread basket for Chinese made battery packs.

Quote from: Thiel on August 15, 2025, 01:15:57 PMJo Jo remember what I told you after you blew me last night about apples to oranges comparisons.

The American unemployment rate is 4.2 percent. Canada on the other hand has an unemployment rate of 6.9 percent.

America has a GDP per capita of $89,000 per year. Canada's GDP per capita stands at a paltry $53,000 per annum.

America's growth stood at three percent in that last quarter. By contrast Canada's GDP has been stagnant for years.

Honeybunch, I understand you don't work. You are not a participant in the economy so you have no clue that the US job market offers opportunities that Canada has not had for over a decade. This is why more than 100,000 thousand skilled Canadian workers leave Canada for America every year.

Understand now Pussycat or do you need to get on your knees first.

BULLSEYE!!

Quote from: Brent on August 15, 2025, 05:01:03 PMSo our prime minister will not do anything to end China's tariffs on the prairie's canola industry. Carney traded Canada's bread basket for Chinese made battery packs.

It's hard to say who's ass he kisses more, Trump or Xi. I guess whichever one is better for Brookfield at the present time.

Here's an interesting fact. Alberta attracts more than double the national average for business investment per private sector worker.

The city of Montreal fined a church $2,500 for hosting Christian worship (many other cities have pulled permits last minute too).
Atlantic Canada banned citizens from hiking and fishing (even on their own property).

BC courts handed hundreds of acres of private property because of a First Nations land claim.

This isn't Canada anymore. It's a place where you can't worship freely, access public lands, or even count on owning your home.

An independent Alberta and Saskatchewan would constitutionally protect these fundamental rights, placing them beyond the reach of activist courts, power-hungry bureaucrats, and a Canadian public that seems to enjoy their chains.

Herman, sign this petition.
https://www.taxpayer.com/petitions/phase-out-equalization?utm_source=general&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=equalization&utm_content=variantCode__lastAmount__mcId_529ba0efb7&status=&status2=&auto_tag=38d9bedc05&amt=&mc_cid=529ba0efb7&mc_eid=38d9bedc05

Quote from: Herman on August 20, 2025, 05:50:51 PMAn independent Alberta and Saskatchewan would constitutionally protect these fundamental rights, placing them beyond the reach of activist courts, power-hungry bureaucrats, and a Canadian public that seems to enjoy their chains.

An Independent Alberta & Saskatchewam would quickly be swallowed up by the United States after which they would fund its War Machine.

Your son & Grandchildren would end up fighting for Greater Israel, hey Herman Herm?

Also no more public healthcare for you. You have sell your farm to pay for your medical coverage, hey Herm?

Quote from: DKG on September 07, 2025, 10:29:01 AMHerman, sign this petition.
https://www.taxpayer.com/petitions/phase-out-equalization?utm_source=general&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=equalization&utm_content=variantCode__lastAmount__mcId_529ba0efb7&status=&status2=&auto_tag=38d9bedc05&amt=&mc_cid=529ba0efb7&mc_eid=38d9bedc05

My province gets a lot of that equalization money.

Quote from: JOE on September 07, 2025, 11:33:53 AMAn Independent Alberta & Saskatchewam would quickly be swallowed up by the United States after which they would fund its War Machine.

Your son & Grandchildren would end up fighting for Greater Israel, hey Herman Herm?

Also no more public healthcare for you. You have sell your farm to pay for your medical coverage, hey Herm?

Three fibs here Sweetie.

First, it is the rest of Canada that would be swallowed up by the United States. Canada needs Alberta and Saskatchewan not the other way around.

Secondly, America no longer fights other countries wars. Elect a Democrat or a Romney Republican if you want endless wars.

Third, Alberta and Saskatchewan would have better public financed health care since they no longer are forced to export billions of dollars every year to the rest of Canada.

Actually, there is a fourth thing. Herman has you on ignore. But, I'll never ignore you Sugarbuns. :kiss:

Quote from: Thiel on September 07, 2025, 02:16:36 PMThree fibs here Sweetie.

First, it is the rest of Canada that would be swallowed up by the United States. Canada needs Alberta and Saskatchewan not the other way around.

Secondly, America no longer fights other countries wars. Elect a Democrat or a Romney Republican if you want endless wars.

Third, Alberta and Saskatchewan would have better public financed health care since they no longer are forced to export billions of dollars every year to the rest of Canada.

Actually, there is a fourth thing. Herman has you on ignore. But, I'll never ignore you Sugarbuns. :kiss:

JOEJ Message from Thiel, douchebag!!!!

Quote from: Lokmar on September 07, 2025, 02:46:01 PMJOEJ Message from Thiel, douchebag!!!!

I don't read his posts...Lokmar!

Quote from: JOE on September 07, 2025, 04:01:22 PMI don't read his posts...Lokmar!

Sugarplum, Herman doesn't read your posts.

Quote from: Thiel on September 07, 2025, 05:07:13 PMSugarplum, Herman doesn't read your posts.

JOEJ, another message from Thiel!

Quote from: Thiel on September 07, 2025, 05:07:13 PMSugarplum, Herman doesn't read your posts.

You are one of the few folks left who still reads your boyfriend's bullshit.

Quote from: Lokmar on September 07, 2025, 05:15:22 PMJOEJ, another message from Thiel!

Yknow yer friend Herman Herman should be grateful towards Canada's public healthcare system for saving his life...Lokmar!

It's because of hardworking Canadians like myself who diligently pay our taxes that Herman could get the help he needed to treat his cancer.

I'm glad that Canada has a public healthcare system but its beneficiaries should be grateful too, eh Lokmar?!

I know many Americans go broke when sickness affects them. Healthcare is very expensive in the USA...Lokmar!

Quote from: Thiel on September 07, 2025, 05:07:13 PMSugarplum, Herman doesn't read your posts.

Not just Herman.

Quote from: DKG on September 08, 2025, 07:13:45 AMNot just Herman.

Yer friend Herman Herman should realize that the Canadian public healthcare system saved his life DKG DKG. He always comes on these forums & bitches that Canada doesn't do anything for him but it already has. It saved his life. For that he should be grateful DKG.

Plus paying the Canadian healthcare system likely saved his farm & retirement nest egg too, DKG.

People in the States get wiped out by high healthcare costs all the time DKG

Joe's boyfriend Thiel is right that Canada cannot survive losing Alberta.

Conrad Black says Alberta leaving Confederation would be 'the end of Canada'

QuoteSpeaking about the state of the nation, Black said Canada was once highly successful but has suffered over the last decade from a net outflow of capital.

"In the last ten years, we've had net capital outflows of over $300 billion," he said.

"Capital generated in Canada is leaving, outpacing what is being invested here. We have slipped several places in per capita income.

"If [Carney] proceeds with any significant part of his green agenda, it will be an escalation of the war against Alberta's oil and gas industry. If he does that, Alberta would negotiate with the Americans in some special territory, and the Americans would accept Alberta on any basis you want.

"That would be the end of Canada."

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/conrad-black-says-alberta-leaving-confederation-would-be-the-end-of-canada/67305

Quote from: JOE on September 08, 2025, 09:21:29 AMYer friend Herman Herman should realize that the Canadian public healthcare system saved his life DKG DKG. He always comes on these forums & bitches that Canada doesn't do anything for him but it already has. It saved his life. For that he should be grateful DKG.

Plus paying the Canadian healthcare system likely saved his farm & retirement nest egg too, DKG.

People in the States get wiped out by high healthcare costs all the time DKG

Jo Jo Sweetie, you are not making sense and you are telling it to people who do not read what you write.

It's a tad presumptuous to say the Canadian health care system saved someone's life. Whatever procedure a person may have received in Canada they could have had in America or Europe without the wait. I have much better health care here compared to when I lived in Manitoba. I can see a doctor within a day or two and if I need something done it happens expeditiously. We don't have people dying waiting for care like in Canada.

Pussycat, remember I explained to you after you performed oral sex on me last night that Canadians have the highest personal debt among wealthy nations. Much higher than Americans. Canadians are getting wiped out all the time just keeping their heads above.

Understand honeybunch or do you have to drop to your knees first?

Quote from: Thiel on September 08, 2025, 01:13:49 PMJo Jo Sweetie, you are not making sense and you are telling it to people who do not read what you write.

It's a tad presumptuous to say the Canadian health care system saved someone's life. Whatever procedure a person may have received in Canada they could have had in America or Europe without the wait. I have much better health care here compared to when I lived in Manitoba. I can see a doctor within a day or two and if I need something done it happens expeditiously. We don't have people dying waiting for care like in Canada.

Pussycat, remember I explained to you after you performed oral sex on me last night that Canadians have the highest personal debt among wealthy nations. Much higher than Americans. Canadians are getting wiped out all the time just keeping their heads above.

Understand honeybunch or do you have to drop to your knees first?

JOEJ Hey cawksucker, message from Thiel!

Quote from: Lokmar on September 08, 2025, 01:29:04 PMJOEJ Hey cawksucker, message from Thiel!

I don't agree with their fruity lifestyles, but I tell ya old Joe would be shitting on the streets of Vancouver if his boyfriend Thiel didn't keep a roof over his head.

Import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world.
Independence is how we preserve the prairie cultural heritage that built this soon to be nation.

Quote from: Herman on September 08, 2025, 09:34:32 PMI don't agree with their fruity lifestyles, but I tell ya old Joe would be shitting on the streets of Vancouver if his boyfriend Thiel didn't keep a roof over his head.

This is true. My Jo Jo does not have the skills to earn more than minimum wage when he was under 65.

Quote from: Thiel on September 09, 2025, 04:05:03 PMThis is true. My Jo Jo does not have the skills to earn more than minimum wage when he was under 65.

I will bet he lived off the dole his entire life. Working would mean less time for his stale online trolling.

Another reason the prairies want out is that the Liberal regime is turning Canada into a dictatorship.
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Quote from: Herman on September 09, 2025, 06:16:25 PMI will bet he lived off the dole his entire life. Working would mean less time for his stale online trolling.

My Jo Jo was penniless when I met him and took him into my home. He loves having the pocket money I give him for comic books and cxchocolate gold coins.

It's official. There will not be an oil pipeline to a coast on Conman Carney's list of projects in the national interest.

We are out of Canada. And Canada is finished without us. This is the final nail ion the coffin for a united Canada.
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The biggest driver of Alberta independence isn't Danielle Smith, the APP, or any movement leader.
It's Mark Carney.

Every time Albertans see his failed policies, deceit, and globalist agenda, more realize our only path to prosperity is independence.
Carney is more dangerous than Trudeau, cold, calculated, and relentless in pushing a socialist system that strips away freedom and prosperity.
He cloaks ruinous carbon taxes as "clean fuel regulations" and sells out Canada with projects designed never to be built.

But here's the truth: his rise is our opportunity. The more Albertans are exposed to Carney, the faster our people awaken to reality.
And with independence, Alberta will secure:
- End Ottawa's carbon taxes and reckless spending that drive the cost-of-living crisis
- Become one of the wealthiest nations on earth with the highest GDP per capita
- Protect freedom with a constitution built for Albertans, not Ottawa's elites
- End mass immigration and preserve Alberta's culture and way of life
- Build prosperity and opportunity for future generations far beyond anything Canada can offer
Mark Carney may be Ottawa's greatest weapon.
But he will be remembered as the spark that ignited Alberta's independence.
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