THeBlueCashew

This was written by a gal named Kim Rose after returning from a visit to family in Ontario.

Why does Alberta want to separate?

Answer: 
The primary reason is taxation without representation. Alberta continues to pay millions of dollars to provinces like Ontario and Quebec without equal representation at the table in Ottawa. Would you want to give a large portion of your pay cheque without a voice as to how you spend your money?  Imagine you work 40 hours a week, bring home 500 dollars to have your mom take a huge percentage give it to your brothers and sisters and you don't even get to choose an item for dinner at the grocery store?  This may be a very simplistic view but it is very similar.

Alberta continues to pay large equalization payments and yet due to the skewed way our electoral system is set up we have very few seats to sit in Ottawa. Alberta holds 9.6% of the seats yet we PAY over 9 billion dollars a year in payments and receive ZERO in equalization payments and Ontario holds 34% of the seats and pays ZERO but RECEIVES 546 MILLION dollars?  Why should a fairly fiscally (we aren't perfect) responsible Province continue to be the "bank" for the province in Canada with the most votes while our voices are not welcomed nor heard? Why are we constantly being asked to contribute as an adult but forced to sit at the kids table?  We are a province without a sales tax and yet we still manage to support a huge portion of the population of Canada.

So please when you think Albertans are whiny rednecks, just remember Alberta pays a lot of bills to keep the lights on in this country and all we are asking for is fair treatment but we feel the rest of the nation just wants to keep their hands out and neglect the hard working people of our province. Many of us do want a Canada that includes Alberta, but unless things change, many of us will be marking our referendum ballot with a very strong yes. Not for separation but FOR Alberta!  I may have been born and raised in Ontario but I am now a true blue Albertan with dusty boots and yes I am a proud whiny redneck.

Kim is right, but it is only part of the reason. We prairie folk ain't allowed to develop our own resources and make our folks richer like other provinces can.

Ottawa, and I mean the Liberals steps on the exclusive jurisdictions of Edmonton and Regina. They do not do that to Toronto, Quebec City or St Johns. Just our prairie provinces. It's unconstituional, but the Liberals don't care.

Ottawa's new law for provinces opting out of pension plan.
Freedom is closing doors on Alberta and Saskatchewan.
If passed, Bill C-387 would require a province leaving the CPP to receive support from two-thirds of the country's premiers..
Now you see why the 51st state makes sense

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That is the only pipeline that should be shut down.

Canada is a small market...
 Alberta's exports represent 53.1% of its Gross Domestic Product ($344.7 billion for 2024).
Given Alberta's population of 4.9 million people, its total CDN$183.2 billion in 2024 exports translates to roughly $37,500 for every resident.
** The following list shows the top 10 customers that purchased 96.4% worth of the total value of products exported from the province of Alberta during 2024:
•  United States: CDN$162.1 billion (88.5% of Alberta's total exports)
• mainland China: $6.7 billion (3.7%)
• Japan: $2.7 billion (1.5%)
• South Korea: $1.2 billion (0.6%)
• Mexico: $792.9 million (0.4%)
• Peru: $771.6 million (0.4%)
• Singapore: $668.5 million (0.4%)
• India: $620.1 million (0.3%)
• Hong Kong: $553.9 million (0.3%)
• Netherlands: $523.9 million (0.3%)
  Source:
https://www.worldstopexports.com/albertas-top-exports/
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Canada is screwed.
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Alberta will never reach its full potential within Canada. Not as it's structured, & not even if it could be restructured.
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Quote from: Herman on June 17, 2025, 06:37:34 PMCanada is screwed.
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Public debt is bad. Unlike the US, we will have to pay it back.

But, what alarms me the most is how indebted Canadians are. We carry the highest consumer debt in the world.

Vancouver MP and NDP Interim leader introduced a bill that would ban oil and gas from the grid in less than five years.

Make no mistake, Conman Carney supports this shit that would make your energy bills unaffordable and your spotty at best.

Executive summary:
An independent Alberta would reshape its fiscal and environmental landscape by retaining $68-75 billion in annual federal tax contribution, yielding a net gain of $44-47 billion after accounting for $22-26 billion in federal transfer.

Combined with provincial revenues of $74.1 billion (2025-26) and an Alberta Pension Plan (APP) generating $23.34 billion annually from a $183.7 billion asset base, total revenue reach $142.1-149.1 billion.
Expenditures, including $75.3 billion for provincial services and $22.7- 31.6 billion to replace federal service ( e.g. defense, policing, Indigenous service), total $98-106.9 billion, with one-time setup costs of $2.8-5.7 billion.

This results in a fiscal surplus of $29.4 -48.3 billion (excluding setup) or $23.6-45.5 billion ( including setup), enabling significant tax reductions, infrastructure investment, and debt reduction.
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The Alberta premier knows there are many people who voted for her UCP, the party she leads, the party governing Alberta, who would cast a Yes vote for Alberta leaving Canada if they had a referendum ballot in their hand today.

They are not all separatists.

More than a few are just sick and tired of Liberal Ottawa not listening to Alberta, not taking Alberta seriously, not dealing with long-standing legitimate grievances.

They would vote Yes as the last and loudest attempt to get through the thick skulls of those calling the shots down east in the Carney cocoon.

"I hope he takes the separatist sentiment as seriously as I do," says Smith on Tuesday in Calgary.

Yes, Smith does say the reason for the rise in separatist feeling is because of bad policies cooked up in Liberal Ottawa and thrown in Alberta's face.

She mentions the bad policies every time she talks to Carney. She tells him to get rid of them and investors will invest and take on major projects.

Crickets from Carney.

This is an eye opener.
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Imagine an Alberta that Separated in 1975 and invested 50 years of Quebec Equalization in Alberta?

What would the $600 Billion lost be worth today if properly invested in Alberta and Albertans?

While Canadian media remains silent, CNN just published an in-depth feature on Alberta's independence movement (last week they made the headlines in the Wall Street Journal), showcasing the growing momentum to a global audience.

"In oil-rich Alberta, where a movement for independence from Canada appears to be gathering steam..." the article begins, highlighting the rallies, the supporters, and momentum.

CNN reports that "a third of Albertans currently support independence" - a number that continues to climb as more citizens recognize the possibilities of sovereignty.

Old Herman is so embarrassed by the leadership of this country. Let's go independent now. We don't need this kind of crap anymore. I am so frickin tired of prog bullshit.
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I don't know how you all cope in a country that is frozen for a large part of the year.

Quote from: caskur on June 28, 2025, 06:38:18 PMI don't know how you all cope in a country that is frozen for a large part of the year.

It was tolerable when Canada was prosperous and free. We used to have GDP/capita equal to the US. Now it's way less.

Quality immigrants don't want to settle permanently in Canada. Young Canadians and immigrants already here are leaving for greener pastutes like I did.

Canada will be a 3rd world country in 15 years thanks to libtards.

Quote from: Shen Li on June 28, 2025, 08:09:34 PMIt was tolerable when Canada was prosperous and free. We used to have GDP/capita equal to the US. Now it's way less.

Quality immigrants don't want to settle permanently in Canada. Young Canadians and immigrants already here are leaving for greener pastutes like I did.

Canada will be a 3rd world country in 15 years thanks to libtards.

Have you acclimatised to Singapore's weather yet Shen? It would be less humid atm.

 

We having chilly temps but fairly warm days.

Quote from: caskur on June 28, 2025, 10:00:45 PMHave you acclimatised to Singapore's weather yet Shen? It would be less humid atm.

 

Oh ya. Having a pool really helps.

I'm still getting the flu more often than I did in Canada. Every building has the AC blasting and then you go outside in the humid air.
 
We only turn on the AC at night. The rest of the time we use fans only.

Quote from: caskur on June 28, 2025, 10:03:16 PMWe having chilly temps but fairly warm days.

It's 33 degrees here.

Quote from: Shen Li on June 29, 2025, 01:26:55 AMIt's 33 degrees here.

It's the middle of winter here, minimum is 12 and maximum will be 20. That's a heat wave in Canada....lol

I thought it might be less humid in Singapore this time of year but according to you, it's not.

At the top of Australia we have 2 seasons, one is the dry and the other is the wet season... both are hot but the wet season is humidity from hell. It's also called Troppo. Or going Troppo and it means the wet season sends people troppo or Mad.

There are more germs around in hot climates.... keep plenty of Isocol (rubbing alcohol antiseptic) around and any cut skin put some on.

Quote from: Shen Li on June 28, 2025, 08:09:34 PMIt was tolerable when Canada was prosperous and free. We used to have GDP/capita equal to the US. Now it's way less.

Quality immigrants don't want to settle permanently in Canada. Young Canadians and immigrants already here are leaving for greener pastutes like I did.

Canada will be a 3rd world country in 15 years thanks to libtards.

To give an analogy that caskur can relate to, Canada is like New Zealand. That country brings in a lot of immigrants relative to it's population. Most leave when they get a NZ passport. Too many NZ born young people do the same. Most go to Australia, just like most Canadians that leave choose the US.

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Quote from: caskur on June 29, 2025, 03:20:34 AMAt the top of Australia we have 2 seasons, one is the dry and the other is the wet season... both are hot but the wet season is humidity from hell.

That is SG.

Quote from: caskur on June 29, 2025, 03:20:34 AMIt's the middle of winter here, minimum is 12 and maximum will be 20. That's a heat wave in Canada....lol

You'd be surprised; Ottawa in the summertime it isn't uncommon to see temperatures in the mid thirties. Coupled with the humidity (there's a lot of surface water in the Ottawa Valley) and it's comparable to 42 in Melbourne in terms of comfort. You get an hour or more daylight in the summer there, that goes a long way to heating things up.

The winters are something else, especially on sunny days. With no cloud cover to trap the heat, it can regularly drop to 20-30 degrees below freezing, with wind chill making it feel more like minus 40. I've managed jeans and a tee shirt at minus five with no wind chill for ten minutes without trouble, I've also made the mistake of looking out the window, seeing blue skies and forgetting my parka on the way out the door. It... well, it takes your breath away, that much I can promise you. Rugging up is really the only defence you have and even then, a stiff wind and that chill goes straight to the marrow. And it can fucken hurt like a motherfucker.

And that's in a relatively temperate part of Canada. I shudder to think how bad it must get out in the prairies or the maritimes, never mind heading up to the Artic circle. Appreciate that and you also appreciate the kind of ratbag animal that turds like Carney and Trudeau are for insisting on green energy solutions where fossil fuel makes far more sense.

Quote from: caskur on June 29, 2025, 03:20:34 AMAt the top of Australia we have 2 seasons, one is the dry and the other is the wet season...

Canada has two seasons too... "winter" and "construction". Because you can't do a lot of building when the ground is frozen solid. Swing a mattock at the ground in winter and it's akin to trying to pickaxe your way through concrete. And speaking of concrete, that stuff gets brittle and rots if left unprotected (as does terracotta) so if you've any planters it's generally a good idea to store them in a barn or a garage.

You would like the sunsets I think. Less orange than you are used to, more of a pinkish/blue colour cast. And the autumn.... mile after mile of red and golden leafed maple trees. No photo does it justice, though I know that wouldn't stop you from trying.

But a word of advice; if by any chance you get to travel there before the liberals well and truly fuck it up, try to avoid the city snow melts at the beginning of spring. Black snow turning to brown slush, revealing the months of accumulated trash and dogshit. It's not the greatest of experiences, lol.

Quote from: DKG on June 29, 2025, 10:13:08 AMTo give an analogy that caskur can relate to, Canada is like New Zealand. That country brings in a lot of immigrants relative to it's population. Most leave when they get a NZ passport. Too many NZ born young people do the same. Most go to Australia, just like most Canadians that leave choose the US.

New Zealand is very expensive. Mainly their realestate. AND THEY talk funny...

They seem to mix up their e and i ..

So when the say six it sounds like sex.

And when they say sex, it sounds like six.

It's very strange.

Quote from: caskur on June 30, 2025, 11:13:09 AMNew Zealand is very expensive. Mainly their realestate. AND THEY talk funny...

They seem to mix up their e and i ..

So when the say six it sounds like sex.

And when they say sex, it sounds like six.

It's very strange.

I've heard just about everything is more expensive in NZ than Australia. And NZ wages are lower than Australia too because their productivity is lower.

That is Canada compared to the US. It is more expensive to live here and we have lower salaries because our productivity is so much lower.

Quote from: DKG on July 01, 2025, 11:01:44 AMI've heard just about everything is more expensive in NZ than Australia. And NZ wages are lower than Australia too because their productivity is lower.

That is Canada compared to the US. It is more expensive to live here and we have lower salaries because our productivity is so much lower.

I'm shocked that the cucknadian dollar is worth about $0.50 british pounds! I would think tourism and business from the U.K. would have helped your economy weather anything!

Quote from: Lokmar on July 01, 2025, 11:57:23 AMI'm shocked that the cucknadian dollar is worth about $0.50 british pounds! I would think tourism and business from the U.K. would have helped your economy weather anything!

Tourism does not butter Canada's bread. Resource extraction does and the Liberals are blocking that.

Quote from: DKG on July 01, 2025, 11:01:44 AMI've heard just about everything is more expensive in NZ than Australia. And NZ wages are lower than Australia too because their productivity is lower.

That is Canada compared to the US. It is more expensive to live here and we have lower salaries because our productivity is so much lower.

The difference between New Zealand and Canada is that we should be the richest country in the world. But, globalists like the entire Liberal party are engineering our collapse.

Quote from: Brent on July 01, 2025, 01:16:29 PMThe difference between New Zealand and Canada is that we should be the richest country in the world. But, globalists like the entire Liberal party are engineering our collapse.

They are. We have to stop them.

Every Albertan needs to know the cost of being Canadian.
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Some of this person's reasons I share. However, it is the loss of prosperity in Canada that is the main reason we pulled the pin on the sinking Canadian ship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xa6apF6T0g

Hey you Canadian Haters, what's the real reason Alberta Separatists want to leave Canada?

So they can join the United States?

America is $37 Trillion in debt. No wonder the MAGA supporters encourage Alberta to separate. Because the USA is broke & the only way the can create another American century is to obtain a cheap & plentiful source of oil.

Danielle Smith is willing to sell out Alberta to these interests to benefit a few. Not Albertans or especially Canada.

Quote from: Shen Li on July 07, 2025, 01:40:38 AMSome of this person's reasons I share. However, it is the loss of prosperity in Canada that is the main reason we pulled the pin on the sinking Canadian ship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xa6apF6T0g

I am considering living in Florida year round instead of six months a year when I retire. And I am considering moving that date earlier by a couple of years.

I really like what the Sunshine state is doing in terms of freedom, spending and taxation. I don't really like much of anything fake conservative Doug Ford is doing. His opponents in the last provincial election were even worse.

Most of all I like that US states are asserting their jusrisdiction even when the Dems are in power and trying to usurp state's rights. Canada's premiers with the exception of Scott Moe and Danielle Smith seem happy to hand over provincial autonomy to Ottawa.

Any Americans thinking of taking a vacay in Canada this summer.
You guys have the money. Look at going to another country.
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Quote from: JOE on July 07, 2025, 09:39:38 AMHey you Canadian Haters, what's the real reason Alberta Separatists want to leave Canada?

So they can join the United States?

America is $37 Trillion in debt. No wonder the MAGA supporters encourage Alberta to separate. Because the USA is broke & the only way the can create another American century is to obtain a cheap & plentiful source of oil.

Danielle Smith is willing to sell out Alberta to these interests to benefit a few. Not Albertans or especially Canada.

We have guns and Trump. PWN3D!

Quote from: Lokmar on July 07, 2025, 02:39:46 PMWe have guns and Trump. PWN3D!

And jobs that pay a livable salary.

The Liberals destroyed Canada's immigration system with their radical policies and incompetent management.
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An independent Alberta could :
• Eliminate ALL personal income taxes
• Cut the GST
• Fund world-class healthcare and education
• Build a $1 trillion Heritage Fund by 2045

This isn't fantasy - it's math.

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Canada is sinking, fast.
Dragged down by a failed ideology, mass immigration, and a collapsing economy.
Alberta and Saskatchewan do not have to go down with the ship.
It's time to save ourselves.
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Even if Alberta and Saskatchewan secede I hope they ise the US dollar as their currency.

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Just think how rich the prairies would be without Canaduh.  :yeahhh:

Now think how poor Canaduh would be without the prairie provinces.

Quote from: Shen Li on July 14, 2025, 08:38:01 PMEven if Alberta and Saskatchewan secede I hope they ise the US dollar as their currency.

...and a lotta people from the Prairies would hate it too because many of their benefits would be cut.

Secession is a 1%er's dream Shen Li Shen

They only want to enrich themselves at every other Westerner's expense.

Quote from: Shen Li on July 15, 2025, 08:43:14 PMJust think how rich the prairies would be without Canaduh.  :yeahhh:

Now think how poor Canaduh would be without the prairie provinces.

And a united Canada would be much wealthier if the federal Liberals would put Canadians first and help the prairies develop their riches instead of blocking it.

Quote from: DKG on July 16, 2025, 09:46:00 AMAnd a united Canada would be much wealthier if the federal Liberals would put Canadians first and help the prairies develop their riches instead of blocking it.

Keeping C-69, the industrial emissions ceiling, the Impact Assessment, C-48 means Conman Carney aint having it. Giving a veto to any one province and Indians was the final nail in the coffin for Alberta and Saskatchewan.

Quote from: DKG on July 16, 2025, 09:46:00 AMAnd a united Canada would be much wealthier if the federal Liberals would put Canadians first and help the prairies develop their riches instead of blocking it.

The Liberal Party of Canada's base is now old whites. Old white Canadians are selfish assholes who don't give a fuck if the current and future generations suffer because of their votes. Another reason why I don't want my sons growing up in that future third world hole.

Last year, the federal government spent more on interest charges than it sent to the provinces for health care.

What would your family do with an extra $11,240 every year?

That's what the average Alberta household would save through tax reductions if we became independent.

The math is simple: Alberta sends $68-75 BILLION (just in federal taxes) to Ottawa annually but gets only $22-26 billion back.

Not only would independence mean lower taxes, it would mean lower pension contributions, reduced tuition costs, and enhanced healthcare.

Quote from: Herman on July 16, 2025, 10:15:09 PMLast year, the federal government spent more on interest charges than it sent to the provinces for health care.

Canadian health care was already unsustainable. No province will be able to afford the current way we pay for health care in the coming years. This will speed up the demise of our health care model. That is not necessarily a bad thing.

Quote from: DKG on July 17, 2025, 10:20:16 AMCanadian health care was already unsustainable. No province will be able to afford the current way we pay for health care in the coming years. This will speed up the demise of our health care model. That is not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm sure some excuse will be made at some point to tax the citizenry more to prop it up. Along with the creation of more bureaucracy to ensure the money gets spent "wisely", just look at Britain's NHS.

Quote from: DKG on July 17, 2025, 10:20:16 AMCanadian health care was already unsustainable. No province will be able to afford the current way we pay for health care in the coming years. This will speed up the demise of our health care model. That is not necessarily a bad thing.

I do not care anymore if it is the government or private companies delivering health care so long as we can access it when we need it. We cannot do that anymore.

Time to cut the free loaders loose. Imagine what we could do in Alberta and Saskatchewan with all the money that is extracted from us.
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Quote from: Herman on July 17, 2025, 06:36:38 PMI do not care anymore if it is the government or private companies delivering health care so long as we can access it when we need it. We cannot do that anymore.

We all know a competing private health care system is inevitable to save public health care.

Quote from: DKG on July 18, 2025, 10:08:02 AMWe all know a competing private health care system is inevitable to save public health care.

I do not give a shit who delivers health care as long as it is there when we need it. About on in four Canadians cannot access health care because they cannot find a doctor. Tens of thousands of Canadians are dying every year waiting for surgeries.

We spend a fortune on health care. For Christ sake fix it now and stop playing games.

Quote from: Herman on July 18, 2025, 03:16:10 PMI do not give a shit who delivers health care as long as it is there when we need it. About on in four Canadians cannot access health care because they cannot find a doctor. Tens of thousands of Canadians are dying every year waiting for surgeries.

We spend a fortune on health care. For Christ sake fix it now and stop playing games.

As long as there is always public health care. I used to have a problem with private competition, but that is what all developed countries with better health care delivery than Canada have.

Ottawa has blocked new pipelines (C–69), canceled multiple oil and gas projects, capped oil and gas production, and banned ships needed to carry Alberta resources to various overseas markets (C-48; Smith, 2025).  A list of the cancelled projects can be found in the article, "Billions lost in ditched resource projects," (Resource Works, 2025) where they cite the loss of $670 Billion since 2015 (Canada Action, 2024).

Yet, the expectancy for Alberta to still contribute the same amount of money to Ottawa for personal income tax and Equalization payments remains the same.

Quote from: Herman on July 21, 2025, 02:26:03 PM...the expectancy for Alberta to still contribute the same amount of money to Ottawa for personal income tax and Equalization payments remains the same.

Of course it is. And it will for as long as your premier continues to negotiate a solution with Ottawa.

I've told you before. AB and SK need to be independent of Canada. You know this to be true. I don't give a red raw shit how much praise you sing for the efforts of your premier, if they aren't 100% behind getting your province the fuck out of Dodge, you need representation from someone that is.

Quote from: . on July 23, 2025, 06:33:06 AMOf course it is. And it will for as long as your premier continues to negotiate a solution with Ottawa.

I've told you before. AB and SK need to be independent of Canada. You know this to be true. I don't give a red raw shit how much praise you sing for the efforts of your premier, if they aren't 100% behind getting your province the fuck out of Dodge, you need representation from someone that is.

Even if premiers Moe and Smith sectretly support independence for their provinces, it would be political suicide for them to endorse it.

Quote from: DKG on July 23, 2025, 09:36:39 AMEven if premiers Moe and Smith sectretly support independence for their provinces, it would be political suicide for them to endorse it.

How? I was under the impression they were there by popular vote, by a populace who were largely in favour of "getting the fuck out of Dodge".

Assuming all of the above were true, the only reason you could expect me to believe that it would be political suicide for them to openly support secession would be if Alberta and Saskatchewan were largely comprised of retards that would happily vote against what they had been openly clamouring for.

I'd call such behaviour illogical, but maybe it makes sense to keener intellects than mine.

Maybe those keener intellects can be found in the CBC or the Toronto Star?

Quote from: . on July 25, 2025, 05:16:51 AMHow? I was under the impression they were there by popular vote, by a populace who were largely in favour of "getting the fuck out of Dodge".

Assuming all of the above were true, the only reason you could expect me to believe that it would be political suicide for them to openly support secession would be if Alberta and Saskatchewan were largely comprised of retards that would happily vote against what they had been openly clamouring for.

I'd call such behaviour illogical, but maybe it makes sense to keener intellects than mine.

Maybe those keener intellects can be found in the CBC or the Toronto Star?

Herman will know more about this than I will.

My understanding is that almost all of the separatist support on the prairies is in rural areas. And it's often soft support. If Carney would reverse some Trudeau era rules as well as his own consensus rule and we got a private company to build a pipeline to tidewater, support for separation would drop. 

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Quote from: DKG on July 25, 2025, 10:24:05 AMIf Carney would reverse some Trudeau era rules as well as his own consensus rule and we got a private company to build a pipeline to tidewater, support for separation would drop. 

A big "if", particularly given recent passage of certain bills, but no matter. While libtard support is traditionally vested in population centers. it has been my understanding that more people in the aforementioned provinces favour a release from all ties to Wellington Street (and all that entails) than the group of political masochists that don't. And do feel free to correct me if I am in error.

Moreover, the practice of lying to the public and getting fucked over for ones troubles is getting old. Especially when it is hitting the hip pocket so overtly as it is in AB and SK. I would (and have) argued that grossly obscene equalization payments in return for fuck all remuneration in infrastructure that would reward the electorate has got to be a pretty sizeable bone sticking in the craw of most people out that way. More so when so many are finding their backs to the wall. Then again I have noted that the lion's share of Canadians are too damn nice for their own good, preferring instead to go along to get along. Meaning that Alberta's and Saskatchewan's dreams of a better outcome are doomed to Fail. I believe Herman and I have had discussions where I have alluded to this. I know I have expressed skepticism about the alacrity of both provinces making good on cutting their ties to the onerous arrangement currently in play with the federal government, something which you appear to be assuring me is the case.

It's a damn shame, because if any provinces could leave the jurisdiction of Canada at large AND make a fist of it post-secession, it would be Alberta and Saskatchewan. And I will not sugarcoat it, the only way it's going to happen is if a majority of voters in that area stop pussyfooting the fuck around and start acting (and voting) in their best interests.

Otherwise this whole independence schtick is as doomed to fail as Quebec's was.

Which would suck no end of ass, but there it is. I love a good underdog fight, hell... America loves a good underdog fight. And putting ones faith in mealy mouthed fuckwads that cannot openly commit to a popular cause is NOT the way for an underdog to come out on top. As I said back at the beginning, the provinces and their peoples will go a long way to promoting themselves as a valuable inclusion to the US if they actually fight for it. Not rolling over for the representatives they voted for to sashay on in and treat them and their wishlists like doormats.

The lord helps those that help themselves. Or (as Frank Zappa once wrote), the meek shall inherit nothing.

Right now, the average Albertan making $78,000 a year takes home just $44,400 after federal taxes. And that's before factoring in federal transfers, regulatory costs, and decaying economic conditions.

Canadians now spend more on taxes than they do on food, housing, and clothing combined — according to the Fraser Institute's 2024 Canadian Consumer Tax Index.

Under a restructured, independent Alberta model, you could keep $70,000 or more of that same income and we could go on to eliminate income taxes completely within 5 years.

No Ottawa grab. No bloated bureaucracy. Just a flat, local tax — and real control over your future.

Not wishful thinking — a realistic plan backed by Alberta's wealth.
Independence means more freedom, more opportunity, and keeping what's yours.
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Canada is a failed state that has worked against the interests of citizens.
It's time for Alberta and Saskatchewan to form a new nation.
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Alberta's separation question, unlike Quebec's, is crystal clear

Whatever one thinks of Alberta's separation movement, the referendum question it seeks to pose to Albertans is a vast improvement over those confronting voters in the 1995 and 1980 Quebec referenda on separation.

Proposed by Mitch Sylvestre, chair of the separatist Alberta Prosperity Project, it seeks a "YES" or "NO" answer to the question: "Do you agree that the Province of Alberta shall become a sovereign country and cease to be a province in Canada?"

That would appear to satisfy the first requirement of the federal Clarity Act passed by Parliament in 2000, incorporating the legal advice of the Supreme Court of Canada, that the question on separation must be "clear" to those voting on it.

Particularly so when compared to the question posed to Quebecers in the 1995 Quebec referendum on separation. It read: "Do you agree that Quebec should become sovereign, after having made a formal offer to Canada for a new economic and political partnership, within the scope of the Bill respecting the future of Quebec and of the agreement signed on 12 June 1995?"
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If Alberta secedes, drop the Canadian peso and adopt the US dollar as your currency.

Quote from: Herman on July 27, 2025, 02:41:15 PMCanada is a failed state that has worked against the interests of citizens.
It's time for Alberta and Saskatchewan to form a new nation.
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Have a good time sending all your money to Washington DC, hey Herman Herm?

Israel will also you and your son/grandchildren to fight their wars too.

No low cost Medicare either.

If you leave Canada there's no easy street anymore, hey Herm?

Quote from: Shen Li on August 01, 2025, 05:55:40 PMIf Alberta secedes, drop the Canadian peso and adopt the US dollar as your currency.

I think our best defense against Canada fucking us up the ass after a successful autonomy vote is to seek some sort of union with the US.

The less control them Ottawa cunts have over us the freer and richer we will be.

Quote from: Herman on August 02, 2025, 07:16:57 PMI think our best defense against Canada fucking us up the ass after a successful autonomy vote is to seek some sort of union with the US.

The less control them Ottawa cunts have over us the freer and richer we will be.

And adopt the greenback as your currency. Think of my investments in Alberta.

Alberta and Saskatchewan have had enough of Ottawa's empty vows: "It'll be different this time!" Yeah, right. Same gaslighting, same lies, same federal boot on our neck. Time to hail that independence taxi and never look back.
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The values that most Albertans hold dear come from what we might call "Old Canada." These are the values of hard work, looking out for one another, and making sure everyone has a chance to succeed. Before the 1970s, Canada was known for its strong social safety net, including unemployment insurance, healthcare, and pensions (Telford, 2014). These are the values that built strong families and strong communities.

Today, some people confuse "Canadian" values with the values of central Canada, especially during the Trudeau era, and now visibly in Mark Carney's reign too. These "Pro-Ottawa" values often focus on global issues, open borders, and big government spending, sometimes at the expense of local needs. But prairie folks know that the future of family depends on keeping our traditions alive, supporting our neighbours, and making sure our children have the same opportunities we did.

Prairie folks believe in freedom. The freedom to work hard, to build a business, to raise a family, and to make our own choices. This is what we mean by freedom evolution. It's about opportunity, prosperity, and independence. It's about not being told what to do by people who don't understand our way of life.

Some people say that if you stand up for Alberta and Saskatchewan, you are a "traitor to Canada." But that's not true. Standing up for the prairies means standing up for the values that made Canada great in the first place. It means protecting our way of life, our families, and our future.

Quote from: Herman on August 05, 2025, 02:19:35 PMSome people say that if you stand up for Alberta and Saskatchewan, you are a "traitor to Canada."

Let them namecall, I don't mind. In order for me to value their opinion of me I would need to respect them first.

I don't. 

Quote from: . on August 06, 2025, 07:19:35 AMLet them namecall, I don't mind. In order for me to value their opinion of me I would need to respect them first.

I don't. 

Progtards cannot offer anything constructive for the working classes, so they namecall.

Quote from: Brent on August 08, 2025, 12:05:26 PMProgtards cannot offer anything constructive for the working classes, so they namecall.

And they're not exactly creative when they do it either. Shit, I've indulged in back and forth namecalling with some of the best wordsmiths there were... for fun. Mine and my opponents. Frood or Biggie can attest to this, they were witness to some of it.

Sticks and stones break bones. Words? Meh, I judge my worth by better metrics than those offered by a howling mob of uninspired yahoos. I imagine there's a few here who would agree that the ability to lay straight in one's own bed of a night, or to look in the mirror of a morning and not be repulsed by what they find there... is key.

Hey, if it matters to the reader what others think of them, then.... "sorry"? A lot of these crybabies would hate it if their incessant namecalling didn't have some bearing somewhere, but you can get a lot further ahead by identifying what you believe to be worthy of your "best efforts" and putting in the hard yards to make that happen. For you and what is most important to you. Some like to adhere to the tenets of religion, others are invested with the spiritual. Me... well I like to make "my garden" and those that populate it a place where we can all do a little better together.

While being free and easy to call each other whatever the fuck makes us smile.  :pardon:

Quote from: . on August 11, 2025, 06:54:45 AMAnd they're not exactly creative when they do it either. Shit, I've indulged in back and forth namecalling with some of the best wordsmiths there were... for fun. Mine and my opponents. Frood or Biggie can attest to this, they were witness to some of it.

Sticks and stones break bones. Words? Meh, I judge my worth by better metrics than those offered by a howling mob of uninspired yahoos. I imagine there's a few here who would agree that the ability to lay straight in one's own bed of a night, or to look in the mirror of a morning and not be repulsed by what they find there... is key.

Hey, if it matters to the reader what others think of them, then.... "sorry"? A lot of these crybabies would hate it if their incessant namecalling didn't have some bearing somewhere, but you can get a lot further ahead by identifying what you believe to be worthy of your "best efforts" and putting in the hard yards to make that happen. For you and what is most important to you. Some like to adhere to the tenets of religion, others are invested with the spiritual. Me... well I like to make "my garden" and those that populate it a place where we can all do a little better together.

While being free and easy to call each other whatever the fuck makes us smile.  :pardon:

Fat Oak is the biggest crybaby. Seadunce is a sensitive little retard.

Quote from: Brent on August 11, 2025, 12:16:13 PMFat Oak is the biggest crybaby. Seadunce is a sensitive little retard.

I can't help damaged goods like the Spandex Enormity and Sea-gollum. Both have massively inflated victim complexes and think the world is out to get them. The real truth is probably closer to nobody giving enough of a fuck to be anywhere near those two oxygen thieves.

Quote from: . on August 12, 2025, 06:25:16 AMI can't help damaged goods like the Spandex Enormity and Sea-gollum. Both have massively inflated victim complexes and think the world is out to get them. The real truth is probably closer to nobody giving enough of a fuck to be anywhere near those two oxygen thieves.

Forums are definitely not for Seamoron. From what I have read Oak takes all of this too seriously.

In Alberta, crime dropped nine percent last year.

Alberta is backing their police and sheriffs. They are shutting down drug houses, targeting gangs, putting more officers on the streets, and making sure law enforcement has the tools, resources, and support they need to keep communities safe.

It is working. Families are safer because Alberta is doing its part.

But Ottawa is undoing that progress. Their broken bail system puts violent repeat offenders right back in your neighbourhood. Criminals who should be behind bars are walking free to reoffend. Families pay the price while the federal government looks the other way.

Quote from: DKG on August 12, 2025, 09:52:55 AMForums are definitely not for Seamoron. From what I have read Oak takes all of this too seriously.

She took it seriously enough to go right off her trolley when I had business in Scat Fagcrisco. One pic of me at the airport was all it took for her to start screeching about hitting me over the head with frozen produce on her doorstep.

I wasn't even aware she lived in that shithole, my plans sure as fuck didn't include a meet and greet. Any leftist enclave that hands out poo maps at tourist centers is somewhere I tend to limit my time to the barest minimum where possible and Scat Fagcrisco is famously one of those places, thanks to the human excrement that keeps voting for more of that turd utopia.

Quote from: . on August 12, 2025, 05:52:29 PMShe took it seriously enough to go right off her trolley when I had business in Scat Fagcrisco. One pic of me at the airport was all it took for her to start screeching about hitting me over the head with frozen produce on her doorstep.

I wasn't even aware she lived in that shithole, my plans sure as fuck didn't include a meet and greet. Any leftist enclave that hands out poo maps at tourist centers is somewhere I tend to limit my time to the barest minimum where possible and Scat Fagcrisco is famously one of those places, thanks to the human excrement that keeps voting for more of that turd utopia.

I thought Oak lived in metro LA.

Quote from: Shen Li on August 12, 2025, 08:42:27 PMI thought Oak lived in metro LA.

She will live anywhere as long as they have doordash to get her fast food fix eight times a day.

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The prairies are being robbed by Justine and Conman Carney's Liberals.
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Saskatchewan too.
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Quote from: Herman on August 13, 2025, 07:00:52 PM(https://scontent.fyxd1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/531632985_798001852580322_3147448039669701696_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296_tt6&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=VkYk8_Fs3CMQ7kNvwFJwYhp&_nc_oc=AdmORXk8md_UgSD-8cKMIcpOifsvvSPtBUVsBuKOmJKJGDjH4YpFuBaptMvzx8wrGu0eYY6wq3iiB9OmFLGkbTNU&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fyxd1-1.fna&_nc_gid=QFyjUVQy8NnyY5wpF9LWqg&oh=00_AfVVKqZTe9J_IBPp4CiNO06l-TTFJja0mx4FQMh4uQUPCQ&oe=68A2EC37)

It is bad for Canada as well as the prairies. No doubt it is good for Carney's investments.

Quote from: Brent on August 13, 2025, 08:02:15 PMIt is bad for Canada as well as the prairies. No doubt it is good for Carney's investments.

Guaranteed

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Quote from: Herman on August 13, 2025, 07:00:52 PM(https://scontent.fyxd1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/531632985_798001852580322_3147448039669701696_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p526x296_tt6&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=VkYk8_Fs3CMQ7kNvwFJwYhp&_nc_oc=AdmORXk8md_UgSD-8cKMIcpOifsvvSPtBUVsBuKOmJKJGDjH4YpFuBaptMvzx8wrGu0eYY6wq3iiB9OmFLGkbTNU&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fyxd1-1.fna&_nc_gid=QFyjUVQy8NnyY5wpF9LWqg&oh=00_AfVVKqZTe9J_IBPp4CiNO06l-TTFJja0mx4FQMh4uQUPCQ&oe=68A2EC37)

Canada is on a suicide mission. I am soooooo glad I got my sons out before it's too late.

Quote from: Shen Li on August 12, 2025, 08:42:27 PMI thought Oak lived in metro LA.

Maybe she lives in both, I cannot say. Someone as fat as I'm told she is could probably manage it I imagine. You might think something of that size would show up on my radar, but as I never posted at Stomping Groundz and barely read a third of what people pointed me at there, Oak was (to put it mildly) inconsequential from my perspective.

Still is. Fat aging fucks don't figure highly on the sc`T Spank Bank index, though if someone thought to pump her and Mudcock full of angel dust and have them wrestle in a wading pool of their own vomit I might watch for a couple of minutes... maybe place a bet on who I the ultimate winner would be.

The beer would need to be good of course and I'd prefer there was someone there capable of carrying on a decent conversation. Otherwise it would get boring real quick.

Quote from: . on August 14, 2025, 03:19:52 AMMaybe she lives in both, I cannot say. Someone as fat as I'm told she is could probably manage it I imagine. You might think something of that size would show up on my radar, but as I never posted at Stomping Groundz and barely read a third of what people pointed me at there, Oak was (to put it mildly) inconsequential from my perspective.

Still is. Fat aging fucks don't figure highly on the sc`T Spank Bank index, though if someone thought to pump her and Mudcock full of angel dust and have them wrestle in a wading pool of their own vomit I might watch for a couple of minutes... maybe place a bet on who I the ultimate winner would be.

The beer would need to be good of course and I'd prefer there was someone there capable of carrying on a decent conversation. Otherwise it would get boring real quick.

I did not know anything about her either until she showed up here and demanding a former owner ban Zetsu.

The nerve of that fat squealing pig.

Quote from: Herman on August 13, 2025, 07:02:12 PMThe prairies are being robbed by Justine and Conman Carney's Liberals.
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That is a trillion dollars going to America and further abroad.

Quote from: Shen Li on July 07, 2025, 08:23:42 PMAnd jobs that pay a livable salary.

Actually a lot of Americans are having a tough time finding decent jobs these days Shen Li Shen. Many have lost their jobs in 2025 too. And the ones who did often can't find new ones.

So how the USA going to absorb all these unemployed/underemployed Canadians?

The economy is tough all over in North America and Europe.

Maybe some parts of Asia are doing well or some states in the Arab Gulf need workers,

Quote from: JOE on August 14, 2025, 11:34:34 PMActually a lot of Americans are having a tough time finding decent jobs these days Shen Li Shen. Many have lost their jobs in 2025 too. And the ones who did often can't find new ones.

So how the USA going to absorb all these unemployed/underemployed Canadians?

The economy is tough all over in North America and Europe.

Maybe some parts of Asia are doing well or some states in the Arab Gulf need workers,

Jo Jo remember what I told you after you blew me last night about apples to oranges comparisons.

The American unemployment rate is 4.2 percent. Canada on the other hand has an unemployment rate of 6.9 percent.

America has a GDP per capita of $89,000 per year. Canada's GDP per capita stands at a paltry $53,000 per annum.

America's growth stood at three percent in that last quarter. By contrast Canada's GDP has been stagnant for years.

Honeybunch, I understand you don't work. You are not a participant in the economy so you have no clue that the US job market offers opportunities that Canada has not had for over a decade. This is why more than 100,000 thousand skilled Canadian workers leave Canada for America every year.

Understand now Pussycat or do you need to get on your knees first.

So our prime minister will not do anything to end China's tariffs on the prairie's canola industry. Carney traded Canada's bread basket for Chinese made battery packs.

Quote from: Thiel on August 15, 2025, 01:15:57 PMJo Jo remember what I told you after you blew me last night about apples to oranges comparisons.

The American unemployment rate is 4.2 percent. Canada on the other hand has an unemployment rate of 6.9 percent.

America has a GDP per capita of $89,000 per year. Canada's GDP per capita stands at a paltry $53,000 per annum.

America's growth stood at three percent in that last quarter. By contrast Canada's GDP has been stagnant for years.

Honeybunch, I understand you don't work. You are not a participant in the economy so you have no clue that the US job market offers opportunities that Canada has not had for over a decade. This is why more than 100,000 thousand skilled Canadian workers leave Canada for America every year.

Understand now Pussycat or do you need to get on your knees first.

BULLSEYE!!

Quote from: Brent on August 15, 2025, 05:01:03 PMSo our prime minister will not do anything to end China's tariffs on the prairie's canola industry. Carney traded Canada's bread basket for Chinese made battery packs.

It's hard to say who's ass he kisses more, Trump or Xi. I guess whichever one is better for Brookfield at the present time.

Here's an interesting fact. Alberta attracts more than double the national average for business investment per private sector worker.

The city of Montreal fined a church $2,500 for hosting Christian worship (many other cities have pulled permits last minute too).
Atlantic Canada banned citizens from hiking and fishing (even on their own property).

BC courts handed hundreds of acres of private property because of a First Nations land claim.

This isn't Canada anymore. It's a place where you can't worship freely, access public lands, or even count on owning your home.

An independent Alberta and Saskatchewan would constitutionally protect these fundamental rights, placing them beyond the reach of activist courts, power-hungry bureaucrats, and a Canadian public that seems to enjoy their chains.

Herman, sign this petition.
https://www.taxpayer.com/petitions/phase-out-equalization?utm_source=general&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=equalization&utm_content=variantCode__lastAmount__mcId_529ba0efb7&status=&status2=&auto_tag=38d9bedc05&amt=&mc_cid=529ba0efb7&mc_eid=38d9bedc05

Quote from: Herman on August 20, 2025, 05:50:51 PMAn independent Alberta and Saskatchewan would constitutionally protect these fundamental rights, placing them beyond the reach of activist courts, power-hungry bureaucrats, and a Canadian public that seems to enjoy their chains.

An Independent Alberta & Saskatchewam would quickly be swallowed up by the United States after which they would fund its War Machine.

Your son & Grandchildren would end up fighting for Greater Israel, hey Herman Herm?

Also no more public healthcare for you. You have sell your farm to pay for your medical coverage, hey Herm?

Quote from: DKG on September 07, 2025, 10:29:01 AMHerman, sign this petition.
https://www.taxpayer.com/petitions/phase-out-equalization?utm_source=general&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=equalization&utm_content=variantCode__lastAmount__mcId_529ba0efb7&status=&status2=&auto_tag=38d9bedc05&amt=&mc_cid=529ba0efb7&mc_eid=38d9bedc05

My province gets a lot of that equalization money.

Quote from: JOE on September 07, 2025, 11:33:53 AMAn Independent Alberta & Saskatchewam would quickly be swallowed up by the United States after which they would fund its War Machine.

Your son & Grandchildren would end up fighting for Greater Israel, hey Herman Herm?

Also no more public healthcare for you. You have sell your farm to pay for your medical coverage, hey Herm?

Three fibs here Sweetie.

First, it is the rest of Canada that would be swallowed up by the United States. Canada needs Alberta and Saskatchewan not the other way around.

Secondly, America no longer fights other countries wars. Elect a Democrat or a Romney Republican if you want endless wars.

Third, Alberta and Saskatchewan would have better public financed health care since they no longer are forced to export billions of dollars every year to the rest of Canada.

Actually, there is a fourth thing. Herman has you on ignore. But, I'll never ignore you Sugarbuns. :kiss:

Quote from: Thiel on September 07, 2025, 02:16:36 PMThree fibs here Sweetie.

First, it is the rest of Canada that would be swallowed up by the United States. Canada needs Alberta and Saskatchewan not the other way around.

Secondly, America no longer fights other countries wars. Elect a Democrat or a Romney Republican if you want endless wars.

Third, Alberta and Saskatchewan would have better public financed health care since they no longer are forced to export billions of dollars every year to the rest of Canada.

Actually, there is a fourth thing. Herman has you on ignore. But, I'll never ignore you Sugarbuns. :kiss:

JOEJ Message from Thiel, douchebag!!!!

Quote from: Lokmar on September 07, 2025, 02:46:01 PMJOEJ Message from Thiel, douchebag!!!!

I don't read his posts...Lokmar!

Quote from: JOE on September 07, 2025, 04:01:22 PMI don't read his posts...Lokmar!

Sugarplum, Herman doesn't read your posts.

Quote from: Thiel on September 07, 2025, 05:07:13 PMSugarplum, Herman doesn't read your posts.

JOEJ, another message from Thiel!

Quote from: Thiel on September 07, 2025, 05:07:13 PMSugarplum, Herman doesn't read your posts.

You are one of the few folks left who still reads your boyfriend's bullshit.

Quote from: Lokmar on September 07, 2025, 05:15:22 PMJOEJ, another message from Thiel!

Yknow yer friend Herman Herman should be grateful towards Canada's public healthcare system for saving his life...Lokmar!

It's because of hardworking Canadians like myself who diligently pay our taxes that Herman could get the help he needed to treat his cancer.

I'm glad that Canada has a public healthcare system but its beneficiaries should be grateful too, eh Lokmar?!

I know many Americans go broke when sickness affects them. Healthcare is very expensive in the USA...Lokmar!

Quote from: Thiel on September 07, 2025, 05:07:13 PMSugarplum, Herman doesn't read your posts.

Not just Herman.

Quote from: DKG on September 08, 2025, 07:13:45 AMNot just Herman.

Yer friend Herman Herman should realize that the Canadian public healthcare system saved his life DKG DKG. He always comes on these forums & bitches that Canada doesn't do anything for him but it already has. It saved his life. For that he should be grateful DKG.

Plus paying the Canadian healthcare system likely saved his farm & retirement nest egg too, DKG.

People in the States get wiped out by high healthcare costs all the time DKG

Joe's boyfriend Thiel is right that Canada cannot survive losing Alberta.

Conrad Black says Alberta leaving Confederation would be 'the end of Canada'

QuoteSpeaking about the state of the nation, Black said Canada was once highly successful but has suffered over the last decade from a net outflow of capital.

"In the last ten years, we've had net capital outflows of over $300 billion," he said.

"Capital generated in Canada is leaving, outpacing what is being invested here. We have slipped several places in per capita income.

"If [Carney] proceeds with any significant part of his green agenda, it will be an escalation of the war against Alberta's oil and gas industry. If he does that, Alberta would negotiate with the Americans in some special territory, and the Americans would accept Alberta on any basis you want.

"That would be the end of Canada."

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/conrad-black-says-alberta-leaving-confederation-would-be-the-end-of-canada/67305

Quote from: JOE on September 08, 2025, 09:21:29 AMYer friend Herman Herman should realize that the Canadian public healthcare system saved his life DKG DKG. He always comes on these forums & bitches that Canada doesn't do anything for him but it already has. It saved his life. For that he should be grateful DKG.

Plus paying the Canadian healthcare system likely saved his farm & retirement nest egg too, DKG.

People in the States get wiped out by high healthcare costs all the time DKG

Jo Jo Sweetie, you are not making sense and you are telling it to people who do not read what you write.

It's a tad presumptuous to say the Canadian health care system saved someone's life. Whatever procedure a person may have received in Canada they could have had in America or Europe without the wait. I have much better health care here compared to when I lived in Manitoba. I can see a doctor within a day or two and if I need something done it happens expeditiously. We don't have people dying waiting for care like in Canada.

Pussycat, remember I explained to you after you performed oral sex on me last night that Canadians have the highest personal debt among wealthy nations. Much higher than Americans. Canadians are getting wiped out all the time just keeping their heads above.

Understand honeybunch or do you have to drop to your knees first?

Quote from: Thiel on September 08, 2025, 01:13:49 PMJo Jo Sweetie, you are not making sense and you are telling it to people who do not read what you write.

It's a tad presumptuous to say the Canadian health care system saved someone's life. Whatever procedure a person may have received in Canada they could have had in America or Europe without the wait. I have much better health care here compared to when I lived in Manitoba. I can see a doctor within a day or two and if I need something done it happens expeditiously. We don't have people dying waiting for care like in Canada.

Pussycat, remember I explained to you after you performed oral sex on me last night that Canadians have the highest personal debt among wealthy nations. Much higher than Americans. Canadians are getting wiped out all the time just keeping their heads above.

Understand honeybunch or do you have to drop to your knees first?

JOEJ Hey cawksucker, message from Thiel!

Quote from: Lokmar on September 08, 2025, 01:29:04 PMJOEJ Hey cawksucker, message from Thiel!

I don't agree with their fruity lifestyles, but I tell ya old Joe would be shitting on the streets of Vancouver if his boyfriend Thiel didn't keep a roof over his head.

Import the 3rd world, become the 3rd world.
Independence is how we preserve the prairie cultural heritage that built this soon to be nation.

Quote from: Herman on September 08, 2025, 09:34:32 PMI don't agree with their fruity lifestyles, but I tell ya old Joe would be shitting on the streets of Vancouver if his boyfriend Thiel didn't keep a roof over his head.

This is true. My Jo Jo does not have the skills to earn more than minimum wage when he was under 65.

Quote from: Thiel on September 09, 2025, 04:05:03 PMThis is true. My Jo Jo does not have the skills to earn more than minimum wage when he was under 65.

I will bet he lived off the dole his entire life. Working would mean less time for his stale online trolling.

Another reason the prairies want out is that the Liberal regime is turning Canada into a dictatorship.
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Quote from: Herman on September 09, 2025, 06:16:25 PMI will bet he lived off the dole his entire life. Working would mean less time for his stale online trolling.

My Jo Jo was penniless when I met him and took him into my home. He loves having the pocket money I give him for comic books and cxchocolate gold coins.

It's official. There will not be an oil pipeline to a coast on Conman Carney's list of projects in the national interest.

We are out of Canada. And Canada is finished without us. This is the final nail ion the coffin for a united Canada.
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The biggest driver of Alberta independence isn't Danielle Smith, the APP, or any movement leader.
It's Mark Carney.

Every time Albertans see his failed policies, deceit, and globalist agenda, more realize our only path to prosperity is independence.
Carney is more dangerous than Trudeau, cold, calculated, and relentless in pushing a socialist system that strips away freedom and prosperity.
He cloaks ruinous carbon taxes as "clean fuel regulations" and sells out Canada with projects designed never to be built.

But here's the truth: his rise is our opportunity. The more Albertans are exposed to Carney, the faster our people awaken to reality.
And with independence, Alberta will secure:
- End Ottawa's carbon taxes and reckless spending that drive the cost-of-living crisis
- Become one of the wealthiest nations on earth with the highest GDP per capita
- Protect freedom with a constitution built for Albertans, not Ottawa's elites
- End mass immigration and preserve Alberta's culture and way of life
- Build prosperity and opportunity for future generations far beyond anything Canada can offer
Mark Carney may be Ottawa's greatest weapon.
But he will be remembered as the spark that ignited Alberta's independence.
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When Alberta and Saskatchewan become independent, you will certainly keep your Canadian citizenship AND gain Prairie Republic citizenship. Canada already recognizes dual citizenship — four million Canadians hold multiple passports.

Whether you want to keep your Canadian Passport or not, will be up to you.

Independence doesn't erase your Canadian identity — it protects it from Ottawa's radical policies while giving you the prairie's prosperity and freedom.

The No More Pipelines Law is going back to court and we want to know what you think.

The Alberta government is bringing a new court challenge to the No More Pipelines Law, officially called the Impact Assessment Act.

In a previous court challenge, the Supreme Court found parts of the Impact Assessment Act to be unconstitutional. The Alberta government is arguing that the new version of the Impact Assessment Act doesn't fix its old problems.

This law stops provinces like Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador from developing resources to create jobs for people in their provinces.

When governments block resource development, taxpayers pay the price.

Alberta must separate from Canada before Carney bankrupts Canada and takes Alberta down with Canada.
Alberta and Saskatchewan have viable prosperous economy that will be destroyed by Conman Carney.
The only viable future for us is as a free sovereign nation or as a 51st state.
In his book, Carney specifically targets Alberta for the most planned adjustments. change, financial and Democratic disruptions. � � Fossil fuels must stay in the ground he says..
Alberta separation is essential for Alberta's survival. The rest of the West should separate as well.
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I wouldn't be too surprised if this is true. An indy Alberta could help secure America's energy independence for good from conflict sources. And they wouldn't have to deal with the federal Liberals trying to block projects.

QuoteTrump Officials Discussed $500M Alberta Independence Loan, Separatist Claims
Private details from a Washington D.C., meeting about Alberta becoming the 51st state were revealed at a separatism event attended by DeSmog.

Officials in the Donald Trump administration discussed loaning the oil-rich province of Alberta hundreds of millions of dollars to help it become independent from Canada, a prominent separatist is claiming.

"I met the senior U.S. administrative officials just a couple steps away from the president himself," recalled Dennis Modry, the former CEO of the Alberta Prosperity Project, a group devoted to pushing Alberta toward self-determination through a provincial referendum.

"When we walked into the conference room, the first comment was 'we recognize and support Alberta becoming the sovereign nation for the first time,'" he said.

Modry was a member of The Commonwealth of Alberta Delegation to Washington that in April traveled to the U.S. Capitol to outline the supposed benefits a sovereign Alberta and its vast energy resources can provide to the United States.

No media outlet has yet reported on what was actually discussed in meetings with Trump officials. But Modry revealed some specifics during a recent Alberta event promoting a Western independence agenda that was attended by DeSmog.

"We talked about a $500 million transition loan that we would only draw down on as necessary as we work with the U.S. to transition from a province to a country," said Modry. He also claimed that they discussed a plan to prop up Alberta's currency where "the U.S. agrees to take every Alberta citizen's Canadian dollar and then exchange it for one U.S. dollar."

The prospect of America recognizing Alberta as the 51st state isn't currently on the table, but it could be if separatists manage to get enough signatures to trigger a referendum declaring Alberta's sovereignty from Canada and then win enough votes to pass the referendum, he added.

"Alberta, of course, can provide energy security," he said. "It can also provide water security, agricultural security, forestry security, metal security, coal security, plus an industrious workforce. So there is tremendous benefit to the U.S., to work with us."

DeSmog reached out to the Alberta Prosperity Project and the Trump administration seeking more clarity about Modry's claims but didn't receive a response.
https://www.desmog.com/2025/07/22/trump-officials-discussed-500m-alberta-independence-loan-separatist-claims/

Many Canadians, especially older whites are patriotic to a Canada that doesn't exist anymore.

The prairies becoming an independent nation is the only way to restore what's been lost.

Danielle Smith never gives up, but this ain't going anywhere as long as the Liberals are in power.
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Quote from: Herman on October 02, 2025, 09:26:45 PMDanielle Smith never gives up, but this ain't going anywhere as long as the Liberals are in power.
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Premier Danielle Smith is pissing up a rope.

There is not going to be another oil pipeline to tide water in Canada. I live in a city state where financing of major energy projects gets approval and no major players are going to invest in Canada as long as the Liberals are in power and keep the anti-energy laws in place. The investment and jobs will go to the US and other locations. It's that simple.

Quote from: Shen Li on October 02, 2025, 10:18:52 PMPremier Danielle Smith is pissing up a rope.

There is not going to be another oil pipeline to tide water in Canada. I live in a city state where financing of major energy projects gets approval and no major players are going to invest in Canada as long as the Liberals are in power and keep the anti-energy laws in place. The investment and jobs will go to the US and other locations. It's that simple.

I read something about a potential pipeline between Alberta and Churchill, Manitoba. That will not be a replacement for a pipeline to the BC coast.

Quote from: Shen Li on October 02, 2025, 10:18:52 PMPremier Danielle Smith is pissing up a rope.

There is not going to be another oil pipeline to tide water in Canada. I live in a city state where financing of major energy projects gets approval and no major players are going to invest in Canada as long as the Liberals are in power and keep the anti-energy laws in place. The investment and jobs will go to the US and other locations. It's that simple.

That gal keeps begging the Liberals for her province's prosperity and they keep saying no. What is her end game? Because nothing will ever change as long as the Liberals are in power and she is getting dang close to an end game.

Take a stand and say no to prairie transfers Yeves.
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Canada is sinking. However the prairies don't have to go down with the ship.

Quote from: Herman on October 03, 2025, 09:36:52 PMTake a stand and say no to prairie transfers Yeves.
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Quebec imports millions of barrels each year of American and conflict oil by pipeline and tankers.

That aint happening to our new prairie republic.
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Not China, not Russia or Saudi Arabia or any other country that produces oil, only Alberta is ruining the environment of the whole plane.
Again, the sort of thing why we pariarie folk want our own nation.
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British Columbia's New Democratic Premier David Eby is playing with constitutional fire by stubbornly refusing a pipeline through his province to allow Alberta to export its oil and gas resources to the coast.

As well, federal Energy Minister Tim Hodgson indicated recently that the federal government has no plans to repeal 2019 legislation that bans tankers carrying large oil cargoes from the northern B.C. coast.

So much for Team Canada. As soon as it became inconvenient, Eby couldn't put his leftwing elbows down fast enough.

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith said recently her government will pitch the feds on a new bitumen pipeline to the B.C. coast.

Eby is fanning the flames of Alberta separatism by saying no.

Speaking on CTV's Power Play, Smith pointed out that if her province can't get their major export to foreign markets through Canada, they'll be forced to look south to the U.S. For those interpreting that as a threat, she pointed out she's visiting premiers across the country, selling  Alberta's case.

"There is no universe where Alberta will tolerate being landlocked in our own country by our neighbouring province, especially when the same industry he continues to demonize has generated so much wealth for his province and the country," Smith said on X.

Eby is fanning the flames of separation with his petulant inability to seek common ground with his neighbouring province.

It's one thing when a neighbouring country threatens the Canadian economy with punishing taxes. It's quite another when a neighbouring province, that's supposed to be working with you within Confederation, does everything it can to thwart your economy, your lifeblood and your ambitions.

Every great nation began with people who said enough. For Alberta and Saskatchewan, that moment has come.

Saskatchewan too.
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Quote from: DKG on October 08, 2025, 04:49:09 PMBritish Columbia's New Democratic Premier David Eby is playing with constitutional fire by stubbornly refusing a pipeline through his province to allow Alberta to export its oil and gas resources to the coast.

As well, federal Energy Minister Tim Hodgson indicated recently that the federal government has no plans to repeal 2019 legislation that bans tankers carrying large oil cargoes from the northern B.C. coast.

So much for Team Canada. As soon as it became inconvenient, Eby couldn't put his leftwing elbows down fast enough.

Alberta Premier Danielle Smith said recently her government will pitch the feds on a new bitumen pipeline to the B.C. coast.

Eby is fanning the flames of Alberta separatism by saying no.

Speaking on CTV's Power Play, Smith pointed out that if her province can't get their major export to foreign markets through Canada, they'll be forced to look south to the U.S. For those interpreting that as a threat, she pointed out she's visiting premiers across the country, selling  Alberta's case.

"There is no universe where Alberta will tolerate being landlocked in our own country by our neighbouring province, especially when the same industry he continues to demonize has generated so much wealth for his province and the country," Smith said on X.

Eby is fanning the flames of separation with his petulant inability to seek common ground with his neighbouring province.

It's one thing when a neighbouring country threatens the Canadian economy with punishing taxes. It's quite another when a neighbouring province, that's supposed to be working with you within Confederation, does everything it can to thwart your economy, your lifeblood and your ambitions.

wasn't 1 pipeline enough DKG DKG?

Seems a better route would be a pipeline to Churchill Manitoba where the locals there are ready and willing to accept one.

Why do they need another pipeline thru BC?

Should send the LNG & Oil east to Europe where the Europeans are screaming for Canadian natural gas and oil so they can be less dependent on the middle east Russia and China.

Europe wants to build stronger ties with Canada. That's Canada should send its oil & gas.

Even our Prime Minister Mark Carney Carney agrees with that strategy,  DKG!

Prairie independence isn't radical.
Paying 50% taxes for policies that destroy our provinces is.

Quote from: Herman on October 14, 2025, 09:06:20 PMPrairie independence isn't radical.
Paying 50% taxes for policies that destroy our provinces is.

Quote from: Herman on October 14, 2025, 08:46:24 PMSaskatchewan too.
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I understand. It's not working.

If the priaries leave, Canada is finished. They can't survive without their cash cows.

Whatever you do, dump the CDN peso and use the US greenback.

Quote from: JOE on October 14, 2025, 08:56:37 PMwasn't 1 pipeline enough DKG DKG?

Seems a better route would be a pipeline to Churchill Manitoba where the locals there are ready and willing to accept one.

Why do they need another pipeline thru BC?

Should send the LNG & Oil east to Europe where the Europeans are screaming for Canadian natural gas and oil so they can be less dependent on the middle east Russia and China.

Europe wants to build stronger ties with Canada. That's Canada should send its oil & gas.

Even our Prime Minister Mark Carney Carney agrees with that strategy,  DKG!

Sweetie, I explained you last night after you performed oral on me that Canada needs pipelines to all directions to reach all markets.

A route thru Northern BC would be the shortest route to Asian markets like Japan, Korea and China which are anxious to buy more Canadian crude. That route is the most economical and and it would produce the least amount of C02 emissions.

A pipeline to Hudson Bay is illogical. To export to the Europeans the best way would be a pipeline to the St. Lawrence River and then by tanker to Europe.

Understand now Sweetie why limiting energy exports is a stupid Carney Liberal Party policy that should be scrapped or do you need to drop to your knees first?

What do all these countries have in common? They don't pay any income tax. And why? Because they are resource rich with oil.

And then you have Canada, an incredibly resource-rich country, with oil, natural gas, minerals, lumber, and I could go on and on and on. But the Liberals won't let us reach new markets and get international prices for our resources.

And yet we are one of the most heaviest taxed nations in the world.

The new prairie republic will have low taxes.
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Quote from: Herman on October 15, 2025, 08:16:56 PMWhat do all these countries have in common? They don't pay any income tax. And why? Because they are resource rich with oil.

And then you have Canada, an incredibly resource-rich country, with oil, natural gas, minerals, lumber, and I could go on and on and on. But the Liberals won't let us reach new markets and get international prices for our resources.

And yet we are one of the most heaviest taxed nations in the world.

The new prairie republic will have low taxes.
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Jo  Jo and I were discussing how all of those countries are able to get their oil to global markets and prices. The evil Liberal party of Mr. Carney will not allow Canada to reach it's economic potential.

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Remember when Anti-separatists swore Danielle Smith was going to steal your retirement?
Turns out it's Ottawa you should've been worried about.
Now the Liberals are being urged to cut Old Age Security spending, claiming it's gone from "protecting insecure retirees" to "padding the comfort of affluence."

Translation? They're setting the stage to chip away at the very benefits millions of seniors rely on.

If Alberta ran its own pension plan, we could protect our seniors, invest locally, and keep billions here at home instead of watching it disappear into Ottawa's deficit hole.

Yep
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The Alberta Court of Appeal has set down the week of Feb. 23 to hear the court challenge to the No More Pipelines Law, officially called the Impact Assessment Act.

This law stops provinces like Alberta, Saskatchewan and Newfoundland and Labrador from developing resources to create jobs for people in their provinces.

In a previous court challenge, the Supreme Court ruled the legislation was unconstitutional. So Ottawa made some amendments. But this court challenge is arguing that Ottawa didn't fix the old problems that made it unconstitutional to begin with.

Let's hope the court challenge of Liberal tyranny is successful.

If all Canadian provinces became U.S. states, not all of them would benefit in the same way. Some would gain economically, some politically, and some socially. The provinces that would benefit the most are the ones that:
1. Currently contribute more to Canada than they receive, or
2. Are held back by federal equalization policies or resource restrictions, or
3. Would gain significantly from greater control over taxation and resource development.
So let's look at each province realistically.
1. Alberta — Would benefit the most
Why?
Alberta is a net contributor to Canada's federal system.
It has high natural resource wealth but is restricted by:
*Federal carbon taxes
*Pipeline and land use policies
*Environmental regulatory delays
Alberta consistently receives $0 in Equalization while paying billions into federal transfers.
As a U.S. State:
*Alberta keeps its own resource royalties.
*It would likely get lower taxes and higher disposable income.
*Its oil could move freely through U.S. pipelines and ports.
*Population is large enough to get 5–7 seats in the U.S. House + 2 Senators.
Result: Higher income, more representation, and freedom to develop resources.
2. Saskatchewan — The second-biggest gainer
Very similar situation to Alberta but smaller population.
Benefits:
*Major energy and agricultural exporter.
*Currently pays into Canada's equalization structure indirectly.
*Suffers from the same pipeline and federal environmental restrictions.
As a U.S. State:
*Would gain access to the U.S. agricultural subsidy system.
*Better infrastructure and export markets for oil and potash.
*Lower transportation barriers to ports.
Result: Strong economic benefit, especially rural wealth.
3. British Columbia — Gains moderately
BC already benefits from Pacific trade, but it suffers from:
*Extremely high housing costs driven partly by federal immigration policies.
*Federal restrictions affecting forestry and LNG export projects.
As a U.S. State:
*LNG exports to Asia likely expand massively.
*U.S. port rules + greater private sector housing development incentives.
*High GDP per capita already → becomes wealthier under looser federal constraints.
Result: Gains mostly through resource and trade expansion.
4. Manitoba — Would benefit, but less dramatically
Manitoba currently receives equalization payments from Ottawa.
As a U.S. State:
*Equalization would end → income might drop at first.
*But manufacturing and agriculture would gain from U.S. supply chains.
*Lower corporate tax and faster business growth would likely offset the loss.
Result: Short-term adjustment, long-term moderate benefit.
5. Ontario — Mixed, depends on region
Ontario is divided:
Region Effect
*Toronto / Ottawa corridor Loses influence, loses federal administrative privilege
*Northern & Industrial Ontario Gains from U.S. manufacturing integration
*Southern Ontario currently benefits from being the political center of Canada. That advantage disappears as a U.S. state — power is decentralized.
Result: Southern Ontario loses politically; Northern Ontario and manufacturing gain economically.
6. Quebec — Would largely not want statehood
Quebec's benefits under Canada:
*Receives the largest equalization payments in the country.
*Maintains legal, cultural, and linguistic autonomy.
*Has political veto weight federally.
As a U.S. State:
*Equalization disappears.
*Cultural protections weaken.
*Quebec becomes one state among many.
Result: Quebec loses financially and culturally under statehood.
7. Atlantic Provinces (NB, NS, PEI, NL) — Mostly lose financially
These provinces depend on federal equalization and transfer programs.
Gains:
*Potential for increased tourism and military investment.
*Newfoundland offshore oil would grow under U.S. energy rules.
Losses:
*Guaranteed equalization revenue disappears.
Result: Slight economic growth long-term, but short-term revenue decline.
Summary of Who Benefits Most
Province Benefit Level Reason
Alberta ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Huge benefit Keeps resource wealth, removes federal constraints
Saskatchewan ⭐⭐⭐⭐ Resource + agriculture integration with U.S.
British Columbia ⭐⭐⭐ LNG + trade benefits
Manitoba ⭐⭐ Gains long-term, loses equalization short-term
Ontario (North/Industrial) ⭐⭐⭐ Gains economically
Ontario (Toronto/Ottawa) ⭐ Loses political dominance
Quebec ❌ Loses equalization + political leverage
Atlantic Provinces ❌ / ⭐ Lose equalization but gain some sector benefits
Conclusion
The big winners under statehood would be:
Alberta
Saskatchewan
British Columbia
Northern / Industrial Ontario
The losers would be:
Quebec
Atlantic Canada
Political elite and bureaucracy in Toronto and Ottawa (chatgpt)

We have to get away from these commie bastards while we still can.
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Independence means Alberta and Saskatchewan stops suffering under a broken system that wants us poor and obedient.

The numbers don't lie: Ottawa drains Alberta of billions every year. This is what we lose by staying in Canada. Saskatchewan too.

Independence stops the drain.
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That MOU signed between Carney and Danielle Smith is a photo op. There will be no million barrel a day pipeline to NW BC.

....interesting how many of you Conservative supporters here thought Mark Carney Carney is a Bleeding Heart Liberal.


Now many Liberals are upset with him cozying up to Alberta UCP Premier Danielle Smith.


..isn't this what you conz wanted?

Today's announcement is a total nothing burger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmOb6e7VV30

Quote from: DKG on November 27, 2025, 08:01:38 PMToday's announcement is a total nothing burger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmOb6e7VV30

I get a six fold increase in the carbon tax, net zero and ten to twenty billion for Brookfield Pathways Project. I am laughing all the way to the bank. And the fact a pipeline will never be built is the cherry on this sundae. :crampe:

Steven Guilbeault resigns two days after becoming eligible for the gold-plated pension.

Quote from: Brent on November 28, 2025, 12:41:49 PMSteven Guilbeault resigns two days after becoming eligible for the gold-plated pension.

That guy looks like a slimeball.

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Danielle Smith was booed at the UCP AGM when she tried to sell her bad federal energy deal to the UCP convention crowd.

I applaud Premier Smith's efforts to negotiate and get the best deal possible with Ottawa, but if she wants to hold the UCP together she needs to start showing some teeth with Ottawa immediately.
The prairie Independence movement isn't a knee-jerk reaction to an election.

Mark Carney promised "unimaginable speed" but he just handed the B.C. government an unconstitutional VETO over pipelines.
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The federal government will do nothing to get a pipeline built. That much is clear from the advanced reports about what is in the MOU (memorandum of understanding) that Prime Minister Mark Carney and Alberta Premier Danielle Smith are expected to sign Thursday in Calgary.

Once Alberta has everything in place (constitutional, Indigenous, environmental, regulatory and financial), then the Carney government will consider giving the pipeline to their Major Projects Office (MPO).

ut aren't those preconditions the very things the MPO is to help with? Once the federal cabinet has designated a project to be in the national interest, it is supposed to be referred to the MPO, whose job it then is to smooth the regulatory burden, help negotiate with First Nations affected by the project and, if necessary, scour the world for investors.

To be fair, it is not entirely clear what the MPO is doing, other than renting first-class office space and spending more than $230 million on staff, desks, computers and boardroom tables.

There is little evidence the MPO has done anything yet except set up photo ops for Carney to make official announcements. It's probably too early for the MPO to have cleared the way of any of the 10 projects selected by the Liberals, but there is no public evidence, at least not yet, that the MPO is even trying.

The Liberals are just doing this to stave off a national unity crisis with Alberta separatists.

Quote from: DKG on November 27, 2025, 08:01:38 PMToday's announcement is a total nothing burger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmOb6e7VV30

You know DKG DKG you seem to think that it's all rosey within the Liberal Party right now, but it actually isn't:


The Liberal party is quite divided over Mark Carney Carney's plans to shift his party to the Right. You may not notice, but many programs & services are getting cut as budgets are slashed. Ie - there's no fireworks party celebration in Vancouver next year cuz funding was cut. So was Trudeau's plan to plant millions of new trees which environmentalists pushed for. It's all to pay for more fighter planes and corporate tax cuts

The free & easy days of Trudeau are over. And it's more like Carney & the corporatists are telling the rest of the Liberal caucus to get on board or get out.

Geez no wonder Premier Doug Ford is all Smiles these days & he loves Carney so much. He's the best Conservative Prime Minister his party never had.

You may not think so but money is flowing into the corporate coffers & Bay Street is happy. But the leftist wing of the Liberal party is not.

You know instead of trashing Carney ya'll at TBC should be elated cause he's advancing much of the Tory agenda Poilievre would have had he become Prime Minister.

Carney is doing it wearing a red cap & sweater instead of a Blue One.

However the Conservative & Liberal agendas look oddly similar these days.

Quote from: DKG on November 28, 2025, 09:12:46 PMThe federal government will do nothing to get a pipeline built. That much is clear from the advanced reports about what is in the MOU (memorandum of understanding) that Prime Minister Mark Carney and Alberta Premier Danielle Smith are expected to sign Thursday in Calgary.

Once Alberta has everything in place (constitutional, Indigenous, environmental, regulatory and financial), then the Carney government will consider giving the pipeline to their Major Projects Office (MPO).

ut aren't those preconditions the very things the MPO is to help with? Once the federal cabinet has designated a project to be in the national interest, it is supposed to be referred to the MPO, whose job it then is to smooth the regulatory burden, help negotiate with First Nations affected by the project and, if necessary, scour the world for investors.

To be fair, it is not entirely clear what the MPO is doing, other than renting first-class office space and spending more than $230 million on staff, desks, computers and boardroom tables.

There is little evidence the MPO has done anything yet except set up photo ops for Carney to make official announcements. It's probably too early for the MPO to have cleared the way of any of the 10 projects selected by the Liberals, but there is no public evidence, at least not yet, that the MPO is even trying.

The Liberals are just doing this to stave off a national unity crisis with Alberta separatists.

None of these national projects are new and none of them will move along with unimaginable speed.

Quote from: Brent on November 29, 2025, 12:09:25 PMNone of these national projects are new and none of them will move along with unimaginable speed.

Jo Jo and I were discussing this after we had sex last night. We agree that all of these are very expensive photo ops.

Quote from: Herman on November 28, 2025, 07:36:37 PMMark Carney promised "unimaginable speed" but he just handed the B.C. government an unconstitutional VETO over pipelines.
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Jo Jo told me after he got off his knees this morning that this MOU is not an energy export deal. It is really a high tax agreement.

Quote from: Brent on November 29, 2025, 12:09:25 PMNone of these national projects are new and none of them will move along with unimaginable speed.

Your Premier Wab Kinew is all smiles these days with all the insfrastructure/stimulus money promised to Manitoba Brent Brent

A theoretical infographic examining the possibility of Alberta and Saskatchewan separating from Canada and merging into a newly formed nation.
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Quote from: Herman on November 29, 2025, 07:29:52 PMA theoretical infographic examining the possibility of Alberta and Saskatchewan separating from Canada and merging into a newly formed nation.
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It would be the richest and lowest taxed nation in the Americas.

It is clear a pipeline to NW BC aint ever going to happen. Look at all the foreign money that flowed to Chug bands for Coastal Gaslink protests and land disputes as proof.

Our weak federal government will not grow a pair and force it through even in a national emergency. Meanwhile the carbon sequestration gift to Brookfield will result in Alberta's products are less appealing to foreign markets while all Canadians foot the bill.

We finally got our own version of the Alberta Prosperity Project. I am signed up for both of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdEe22aPBYs

Canada aint worth it.
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It looks like the Canadian province of Alberta will hold a referendum to separate from Canada in the autumn of 2026.

Jo Jo and I wish Albertans well no matter what voters decide.

Jo Jo and I were saying last night while we were spooning that Alberta and Saskatchewan are embarrassing Mr. Carney. First, Saskatchewan's Nutrien terminal goes through the West coast of America and now Ms. Smith is saying that after Mr. Carney's bogus MOU that she will go through Washington State with a Pacific pipeline.

Canada has suicidal tendencies. Alberta and Saskatchewan do not. That is why we are getting out of this dysfunctional marriage.
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This is from the Alberta Prosperity Project. Alberta will hold a referendum on leaving Canada likely in October 2026. I hope Saskatchewan's independence referendum will be in the Spring of 2027.

In a landmark victory for direct democracy, Bill 14 has just passed the Alberta Legislature and received Royal Assent at 11:00 a.m. today, December 11, 2025. This clears all hurdles for our citizen-led independence referendum, shifting oversight to empower Albertans like never before!

CEO Mitch Sylvestre has resubmitted our crystal-clear referendum question to the Minister of Justice:

"Do you agree that the Province of Alberta should cease to be part of Canada to become an independent state?"

This puts the power of choice directly in your hands—freedom, prosperity, and self-determination for Alberta.

With the green light secured, signature collection begins in late January. Our teams are mobilizing to make this referendum a reality!

"Royal Assent for Bill 14 today is the breakthrough we've fought for—it's game on for Alberta's independence. This question empowers every citizen to vote yes for a brighter, sovereign future. Let's hit the doors in January and build the yes vote that changes everything!" — Mitch Sylvestre, CEO, Alberta Prosperity Project

Fuck rich globalist wankers like Conman Carney.
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I know through North West BC is the most economical route. But, I hope any new pipelines to to West Coast do not go through BC. I do not want Eby or Carney getting any of the money it generates.
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Debunking Progtard Propaganda

This Alberta vs Norway graphic is propaganda by design.
It removes context, misleads with cherry-picked stats, and avoids the real issue on purpose.
Here are the facts.
Alberta produces more oil than Norway, not less. The difference isn't resources.
The difference is Ottawa.
Norway is a sovereign nation. It controls its energy policy, taxation, exports, and infrastructure. Alberta does not. Ottawa controls pipelines, export approvals, carbon taxes, emissions caps, and regulatory timelines that directly choke Alberta's economy.
Norway used oil revenues to build a $1.7 trillion sovereign wealth fund for its people. Alberta has sent hundreds of billions to Ottawa through federal taxation and equalization while being told it just needs to "diversify."
The 98% renewable claim is also misleading. Norway didn't abandon oil and gas. It used fossil fuels intelligently to fund social programs, infrastructure, and long-term stability.
This is the propaganda playbook
Cherry-picked stats
False comparisons
Missing political context
Moral framing instead of economic reality
If Alberta were its own nation
It would control its resources
Approve its own infrastructure
Keep its own royalties
Create its own sovereign wealth fund
Negotiate trade directly
Alberta isn't failing. Alberta is being constrained.
The Norway comparison only proves one thing
Sovereignty matters
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Canada's decline is showing up at the grocery store.
Same food. Same weights. Canadians pay double.

This isn't normal.
This is policy failure.

Alberta and Saskatchewan deserve control of our own future.
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A group promoting the idea of Saskatchewan separating from Canada says its public information sessions are drawing crowds.

The Saskatchewan Prosperity Project (SPP) says its presentations are meant to teach people about the benefits of Saskatchewan becoming a sovereign nation.

"Right now in Canada, it's a sinking ship. And if we don't take our lifeboat and throw it out and get off while we can, we're going down with the ship and we don't have to," SPP president Brad Williams said.

SPP is aligned with the Alberta Prosperity Project, a group with similar goals for that province.

Williams spoke to a crowd of about 200 people at the Saskatoon-area meeting this past week. It was one of several sessions over the last five weeks in communities across the province, including Meadow Lake, Assiniboia, Tompkins, Prince Albert, Raymore, Leader, Swift Current and Kindersley. It plans to continue holding events across the province in the coming months to raise attention to what Williams says are the benefits of Saskatchewan sovereignty.

"What we really gain is that future for our children, you know, prosperity," said Williams. "There's no reason why we should be in a deficit. We should not be in any position other than having a surplus. And a lot of the taxes are way too high."
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Treaties do not block Alberta independence.
Independence does not cancel treaties.
There are only three outcomes.
Ottawa keeps paying and administering them.
Alberta assumes responsibility.
Or treaties are renegotiated.
Anything else is misinformation.
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The news out of Venezuela today is massive. With the capture of Maduro and the U.S. moving to effectively manage their oil industry, a lot of Canadians—especially in the energy sector—are asking the same question: "What does this mean for us?"

It's a fair question. The U.S. has always been our biggest customer, and now they're poised to control our biggest competitor.
Here's the reality check on what's happening and why it matters to Canada's energy future.

The "Twin" Problem
The biggest issue isn't just that there's more oil on the market; it's the type of oil. Venezuela's Orinoco Belt produces an extra-heavy crude that is almost identical to Alberta's Western Canadian Select (WCS).
The massive refineries on the U.S. Gulf Coast are specially built to process this heavy stuff. For them, swapping a barrel of Canadian oil for a barrel of Venezuelan oil is seamless—no new equipment needed.

The "Tidewater" Advantage
This is where the geography stings. Alberta is landlocked. Getting our oil to the Gulf Coast requires an expensive network of pipelines and rail, costing roughly $5 to $10 USD per barrel.

Venezuela's oil is right on the coast ("tidewater"). They can load it onto supertankers and float it to those same U.S. refineries for about $2 a barrel. If the U.S. is calling the shots in Venezuela, that price difference becomes a major competitive advantage for them—and a problem for us.

The 10-Year Window
Now for the good news: this isn't an overnight crisis. Venezuela's oil infrastructure is in ruins after decades of neglect.
Experts estimate it will take $100 billion in investment and 7 to 10 years of hard work to get their production back to peak levels. That means Canada has a "safe" window where we remain the most reliable supplier of heavy crude to the U.S.

The Path Forward: Sovereignty
This situation proves why we can't rely on a single customer forever. The U.S. is securing its own energy future, and we need to do the same.

The completion of the Trans Mountain Expansion (TMX) is crucial. It gives us direct access to Asian markets like China and India, who are hungry for heavy oil. That pipeline isn't just infrastructure; it's our national insurance policy against shifts in U.S. policy.

The bottom line? The threat is real, but it's long-term. We have a decade to use our advantages—stability, technology, and new tidewater access—to ensure Canada remains an energy powerhouse, no matter what happens south of the border.
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Liberal anti-energy laws prevented over $176 billion worth of oil & gas projects.

It's forced Canada to sell 90% of our largest export to the U.S. at massive discounts.
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Senator Paula Simons went on CHED radio and unloaded on the Alberta Prosperity Project (APP) and the wider Alberta independence movement. In a few breaths, she painted the whole thing as xenophobic, racist, misogynist, anti-woman, transphobic, and homophobic. She even nodded toward the old standby about "dark" foreign money involved.

Those are not policy critiques. They are character assassinations aimed at thousands of ordinary Albertans.

If a senator wants to accuse a public movement of hatred, the burden is on the senator to show receipts. Names. Examples. A pattern. Something more than vibes and a suspicious tone of voice.

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Alberta and Saskatchewan both became provinces in 1905, delivered by a nefarious midwife (Wilfrid Laurier) who did not have our best interests at heart. Now, 120 years later, we have finally outgrown Confederation and are ready to move out on our own.
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Carney's play is simple: wave "Trump" like a scarecrow, keep eastern voters panicked and obedient, then walk them straight off the cliff.
Alberta and Saskatchewan doesn't have to follow. We can choose independence and keep our future on the prairies.
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Across Canada, people are lining up.

In Alberta, they're lining up for something else.
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Fun fact:
BC prosperity project is coming. The north of BC wants to join Ab & Sk.

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Alberta and Saskatchewan separation doesn't mean chaos or fantasy.
It means leverage.
It means decisions made here, not by people who never live with the consequences.
It means control over our resources, our taxes, and our future.
I don't talk about prairi separation because I hate Canada.
I talk about it because I'm tired of being taken for granted.
We produce. We pay. We get lectured.
That's not partnership — that's dependence.
Alberta separation isn't a threat.
It's what happens when being ignored stops working.
Staying quiet guarantees nothing changes.
Leverage changes everything.
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Separistism is always rears it's ugly head when the Liberals are in power. They are the party of division.

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Still waiting to hear one compelling reason for Alberta and Saskatchewan to remain a part of a declining Canada.
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The independence-minded in Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Quebec may actually be harbingers of a new global trend.

In January, UnHerd columnist Duncan Moench proposed that the US is well on its way to a break-up. According to Moench, the likelihood of US fragmentation becomes obvious to Americans when they recognize that "our governing institutions are too large, too centralized, and too culturally incoherent to sustain democratic legitimacy."

Large, centralized, one-size-fits-all government policies are frequently impractical, divisive, and democratically unacceptable in geographically, economically, and culturally diverse countries. Yet, powerful central governments with their Byzantine bureaucratic systems frequently draft legislation which is popular in a favoured region but inimical to the interests of people in other regions. 

I'm seeing independence petition signing places popping up all over the city.

Quote from: formosan on February 08, 2026, 03:09:01 PMI'm seeing independence petition signing places popping up all over the city.

Have you signed it yet?

By the end of 2026, Canada as you know it may not look the same, and Alberta will be the reason why.

In October 2026, Alberta is expected to vote on leaving Canada as support for independence continues to rise rapidly across the province. What began as frustration has matured into a serious, organized movement with momentum, structure, and public legitimacy.

That decision will not exist in isolation. The same month, Quebec will hold a provincial election that is likely to deliver a separatist government with a mandate to pursue another referendum. Alberta leaving would fundamentally change the political calculus for Quebec, accelerating a process that has already been set in motion.

Saskatchewan is watching closely. Its separation movement is growing quickly and polling support is already among the highest in the country. If Alberta reclaims its sovereignty, Saskatchewan will face an unavoidable question about whether remaining behind still makes sense.

British Columbia faces a different but related reality. With property rights under pressure and no viable constitutional path to protect them, independence or fundamental constitutional change may become the only remaining options.
Canada is not being pulled apart by extremists or instability.

It is being outgrown by provinces that no longer benefit from the federation.
Alberta is simply the first to acknowledge reality.
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Quote from: Herman on February 08, 2026, 06:25:48 PMHave you signed it yet?

No comment.

We are dealing with some really underhanded folks.
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Prairie independence will not destroy Canada.
After ten years of the Trudeau/Carney Liberals, there is no Canada left to destroy.

Danielle Smith just confirmed that if the Alberta independence petition hits the required signatures, it will be on the October 19, 2026 referendum ballot. :good:

We prairie independence supporters laugh at the traitor label.
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This week, a man walked into Mitch Sylvestre's sporting goods store in Bonnyville, placed a bullet on the counter, and told staff: "This is for Mitch." Mitch Sylvestre is the head of the Alberta Prosperity Project which is spearheading the drive for enough signatures to get a vote on independence.

That's not politics.

That's a threat.

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Ottawa's reckless spending created a massive cost-of-living crisis, and now working prairie folks are paying the price at the grocery store. They broke the economy, and we suffer the consequences.

Independence lets us build our own affordable future.

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Alberta is staring down provincial deficits because they ship billions East while Ottawa suffocates their energy sector and overloads their local services with immigrants. They are literally paying them to punish Albertans.

Independence keeps their own wealth home to balance their our own books. Not buy Liberal votes in the East.

Ottawa's policies have cancelled over $670 billion in Albertan and Saskatchewan resource investment since 2015.

An independent prairie republic would attract investment, not chase it away.

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Each year, Alberta sends significantly more to Ottawa than it receives back in federal spending and services. Estimates range between $15 and $27 billion annually.

This is not a one-time occurrence — it happens year after year.

Since 1960, the cumulative net contribution has been estimated at over $650 billion.

To put that into perspective:

$27 billion could fund approximately 135 new hospitals
It could eliminate property taxes for Albertans
It could provide free post-secondary education for a generation
These numbers are part of an ongoing national discussion about fiscal balance and provincial autonomy.

Damn good advice from a damned good premier.
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With the latest floor crosser joining the Liberals, Canada is on the verge of its first unelected Liberal majority government.
Alberta and Saskatchewan need to leave Canada.

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We will take this money with us and add to it.
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Ottawa has unleashed economic chaos.
Falling standard of living
Dead-last growth
Runaway debt
Generational unaffordability

Prairie independence means leaving behind a failing system and rebuilding the stability, investment climate, and economic growth that drive prosperity.
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Texas has zero state income tax and a median household income that is effectively $24,000/year higher than Alberta's when you adjust for the exchange rate and purchasing power. They have the same oil we do; they just don't have an Ottawa taking $20 billion a year out of their pockets.

�The only certainty in Canada is economic decline and higher taxes.
Independence makes Alberta and Saskatchewan a massive magnet for global investment.
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First they taxed your income, now they are eyeing your home equity.
Independence stops Ottawa from stealing your wealth.

Canada has already shed 109,000 jobs in the first two months of 2026. This is the cost of being tied to an incompetent Liberal government.
Prairie Independence is our only way out of the chaos.

A left-wing Calgary account tried to rig an Alberta independence poll. It backfired badly.

Even after blocking a huge amount of Independence movement supporters from voting, the result still came back:
64% YES
On 9,053 votes.
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Alberta and Saskatchewan have the third largest reserves of oil in the world.
Not Canada.

The Liberals are bypassing voters to build an unelected majority with floor-crossers. You can't fix a broken system.
Prairie independence is the only answer.

Currently, billions of Alberta's tax dollars flow to Ottawa and return as federal health transfers — only a portion of what Albertans contribute.

In other words, some of your tax dollars help fund healthcare programs in other provinces before a portion comes back to Alberta.

Under a different fiscal arrangement, those dollars could stay here and be invested directly into our own system.

What could that mean in practice?

Modelling suggests it could help fund expanded pharmacare and dental coverage for over a million Albertans, reduce surgical wait times, and make Alberta competitive enough on taxes and quality of life to attract top-tier medical professionals from around the world.

Quebec has operated its own pension plan completely separate from the Canada Pension Plan. They have been doing this since 1966.

The Quebec Pension Plan covers the same retirement needs as CPP, but is managed locally, invests in Quebec's economy, and has consistently delivered competitive benefits.

Alberta has been studying a similar model. Early analysis suggests that if Alberta established its own pension plan, Albertans could receive equal or better benefits at lower contribution rates, because Alberta's workforce is younger and higher-earning than the national average, meaning we contribute more to CPP than we proportionally draw out.

Alberta and Saskatchewan won't be another piece on the globalist chessboard.
Our country will stand for freedom, self-determination, and prosperity for the people who actually call it home.
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The BC NDP are scum.
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Rumours are circulating that up to ten Conservative MPs may cross the floor to the Liberals.
The federal system is beyond saving. Alberta and Saskatchewan's only hope is independence.

Trump is a God to Liberals, they literally think he can do anything and is involved in everything. They Hail God-Emperor Trump!
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Liberal appoionted judges in Alberta halted the petition campaign. I don't know what happens froms here for the Yes side.

As Conman Carney gains power, Alberta separatists say it's fueling their movement. Petitions are growing fast—and frustration in the West is boiling over.

A court has granted a stay on the citizens' initiative process, which means Elections Alberta is being prevented from counting the vote on the Alberta independence petition.

This was expected. As many Albertans understand, too many judges in this province are appointed by Ottawa and do not act in the interests of Alberta.

What matters is this: the ruling does not stop Stay Free Alberta from continuing to gather signatures, and signatures can still be collected through May 2.
The independence movement prepared for this possibility.

There are still multiple paths forward. One option is for an independent third party to verify the signatures and present the results to the Premier as proof of the democratic mandate Albertans have given for a referendum.
This movement will not be derailed by activist judges.

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Quote from: Herman on April 11, 2026, 07:00:38 PMA court has granted a stay on the citizens' initiative process, which means Elections Alberta is being prevented from counting the vote on the Alberta independence petition.

This was expected. As many Albertans understand, too many judges in this province are appointed by Ottawa and do not act in the interests of Alberta.

What matters is this: the ruling does not stop Stay Free Alberta from continuing to gather signatures, and signatures can still be collected through May 2.
The independence movement prepared for this possibility.

There are still multiple paths forward. One option is for an independent third party to verify the signatures and present the results to the Premier as proof of the democratic mandate Albertans have given for a referendum.
This movement will not be derailed by activist judges.

Is the fall referendum going ahead?

Quote from: Brent on April 13, 2026, 12:31:57 PMIs the fall referendum going ahead?

Hell yes.

Danielle Smith says if the courts try to block Alberta's independence referendum in October. She's moving ahead with it anyways.

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"Things have never been better in Canada"
- Mark Carney
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This is from my friends at the Alberta Prosperity Project.

We recently reviewed some Alberta housing data, and a tension stood out.

In 2025, Alberta broke records with over 50,000 housing starts, accounting for one quarter of all new homes built in Canada. That's genuinely impressive.

Yet, a gap of roughly 14,000 homes per year still exists.

Here's the key point to understand. Alberta is building faster than any province in Canada. But Ottawa controls immigration targets. Between 2023 and 2025, over 440,000 people moved to Alberta. That's a lot of new households needing homes.

When housing demand is set in Ottawa but housing supply is built in Alberta, the math becomes complicated.

Some jurisdictions have shown that aligning population growth with local housing supply leads to better outcomes for families. The question worth asking is whether Alberta should set its own policies.

Initiated by the Trudeau federal government in 2015 when it withdrew Northern Gateway after a ten-year regulatory process, the onslaught of the energy sector began. With the guidance of his university buddy Gerald Butts, Energy East, and the Trans Mountain fiasco, capital investment is avoiding our country, with the knowledge that pipelines are only the visible head of the climate crisis dragon.

We are now saddled with one of the world's "climate crisis" leaders, Mark Carney, who, through much of this period, was a personal advisor to the Liberal Party. BTW, his wife, Diana Fox Carney, works with Gerald Butts at the Eurasia Group, a political risk advisory agency.

It is deeply concerning that the provinces, including Alberta and Saskatchewan, also buy into the narrative and are making expensive and damaging policies as a result of the narrative. Credit to Scott Moe, who announced Saskatchewan will continue its coal-fired electrical generation plant (near Estevan) for its full life cycle, even after the feds mandated an earlier closure date. This and his comments, "come and get me," are an early indication of Western defiance.

The current proposed pipeline to the Pacific is subject to the Carney conditions of sharply higher carbon costs in Alberta, and the decarbonization of oil (an expensive and open-ended risk to the economics of this major project). As the industry is unlikely to capitalize on a low-return pipeline, the risk is that Alberta and/or the Canadian governments will bear the cost of this process, spending other people's money to support a false narrative.

Why should Canadians fund the bias, ego, and ambition of the Prime Minister who is treating Canada as his climate playground? Has any customer ever made decarbonized oil a condition for purchasing Canadian oil? Is it a condition for imported oil to central Canada? Why not?

Carney has so far avoided the conflict between his long-held beliefs and global activities in his new role. He is now campaigning on "build Canada" with policies that make our most important industry less competitive. These pages have on many occasions warned about his personal conflict.

Between 2007 and 2022, Albertans sent $244.6 billion more to Ottawa than we received back. That's not over a century. That's fifteen years.

Extending that pattern further back reveals staggering cumulative totals.

Here's what makes the number sting. While Alberta bankrolls the federation, federal policies actively undermine our economy. Bill C-69, ruled largely unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, drove investment away. The Northern Gateway pipeline was cancelled outright. Energy East was killed by regulatory hurdles. Oil and gas investment dropped 56 percent in a decade.

Meanwhile, a 2024 Deloitte report found Ottawa's emissions cap alone will shrink Alberta's GDP by $191 billion over ten years.

We're not just paying more than our share. We're paying more while being told to produce less.

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Dictator Carney is a recruiter for the prairie independence movement.
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Prairie Independence is the choice between becoming Dubai 2.0 or Venezuela 2.0.

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The question is no longer whether Canada is in decline.
The question is how much longer Alberta and Saskatchewan are willing to stay on the sinking ship.

Equalization reform intended to restrain costs has actually resulted in $10.5 billion in higher spending since 2018/19
By: Ben Eisen and Joel Emes
               - article below
•  In 2009, the federal government altered the equalization formula by creating a rule requiring aggregate payments to grow in line with recent national nominal economic growth. This change is known as the Fixed Growth Rate (FGR) rule.
• The rule was introduced to control program costs, which had risen rapidly in the preceding decade. However, following convergence in provincial fiscal capacity beginning around 2015, it began to require upward adjustments rather than downward ones, functioning as a floor rather than a ceiling.
• We refer to payments generated by the FGR's floor function as constituting "over-equalization." This bulletin estimates their cost since 2018/19 at approximately $10.5 billion, with the rule accounting for more than 10 percent of total program costs in three separate years.
• A more fundamental problem, which we illustrate, is that the FGR severs the link between changes to the equalization formula and changes in total program spending. This limits the potential effectiveness of many reform options.
• We review a range of reform proposals and show that, absent changes to the FGR itself, they would primarily reallocate payments among provinces rather than reduce aggregate spending.
• In this important sense, the program is broken: a rule intended to constrain program costs now prevents the formula from adjusting total spending in line with changes in relative provincial fiscal capacity and limits the effectiveness of many possible policy reforms.
       -- Fraser Institute, April 16, 2026
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Mark Carney wants to end Canada's ties with the US while 88.5% of Alberta and Saskatchewan's exports go there.
He is destroying the prairie economy to score points with Eastern Canada.

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Oil prices are surging and the governments of Alberta and Saskatchewan are likely going to see a massive resource revenue windfall this year.

For every dollar increase in oil prices, the Alberta government takes in about $750 million extra. In Saskatchewan, every dollar increase gets the province about $16 million more.

 

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Every billion that leaves Alberta and Saskatchewan is a hospital we didn't build, a road we didn't fix, a future we shipped east.
Independence is how that stops.

From Rebel News

For decades, Alberta has played the dutiful, smiling province. We wrote the cheques. We apologized for our wealth. We sent tens of billions of dollars to Ottawa — and in return, we were told we are dirty, stupid, and embarrassing. Our pipelines were blocked. Our oil was shut in. Our money was seized under "equalization" and shipped east to bankroll politicians who openly despise us. And every time we raised our hand, they told us to shut up.

No. I've seen it all before — I spent a decade working with Preston Manning when he said, "The West wants in". It just didn't work. And it won't. It can't. The system is rigged.

That's why the referendum is so critical. On everything from immigration to criminal justice to pipelines to taxes to foreign policy, it's time to send those bastards in Ottawa a message they will never forget!

A no brainer.
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An independent Alberta and Saskatchewan will nit beg for pipelines.
We approve them on a Tuesday and break ground on Wednesday.

Trump approves permits for pipelines moving Alberta oil south.
Meanwhile, Canada's federal government continues to treat Alberta energy like a problem to manage instead of an asset to unleash.
This is exactly why Alberta needs independence.
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Alberta and Saskatchewan are the only two provinces to have added net new jobs since Carney became pm. If we lose you we will be forced to beg the U.S. to admit us as new territories.

For too long, Alberta families have watched their wealth flow east. $244.6 billion more than we've received back since 2007.

And now parental rights are eroding. Federal policies increasingly intrude on family decisions: what schools teach, how children are raised, and values that were once the parent's domain.

A sovereign Alberta constitution would guarantee: Parents' right to raise their children according to their values.

This is bullshit to try to stop support for independence.
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Mitch Sylvester handed in his petition papers just a few hours ago.

The result?

Sylvester announced that the canvassers collected 301,620 signatures.

That is over a quarter of a million signatures.

That's more signatures than the number of votes Justin Trudeau received in Alberta during the 2021 federal election – with 299,000 votes.

This is the result of a lot of hard work from thousands of Albertans who stepped up and became canvassers over the last few months.

Though unofficial, Stay Free Alberta's total would exceed the required 177,732 signatures to trigger a referendum by 123,888, and Sylvestre says it is because of the hard work of all the canvassers and volunteers who helped them reach their final number.

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Albertans are tired of watching Ottawa dangle pipeline promises while attaching the very policies that make energy investment impossible.

As someone who supports Danielle Smith, it's frustrating to watch Mark Carney string her along with an MOU loaded with conditions that make sure nothing ever actually gets built in Alberta.

In an independent Alberta, we would be free to develop our natural resources without the Liberals' insane, radical climate agenda attached to every project.
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Every year, Alberta sends billions more to Ottawa than it gets back.
An Independent Alberta would be an economic powerhouse.
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Canada's economic model is producing some of the worst outcomes in the G7, while Alberta continues to produce the wealth, energy, and opportunity Ottawa depends on.
It's time for Alberta to choose independence.
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The Carney government says they would honour a fifty percent plus one yes sovereignty vote in either Alberta or Quebec. This is surprising considering the Clarity Act sets the bar at sixty percent.

In the '90s, many car decals across the country proclaimed "My Canada includes Quebec." I haven't seen any equivalent "My Canada includes Alberta" decals. Have you?

Quote from: DKG on May 11, 2026, 09:44:22 AMIn the '90s, many car decals across the country proclaimed "My Canada includes Quebec." I haven't seen any equivalent "My Canada includes Alberta" decals. Have you?

I remember that before the 1995 referendum in Quebec. And no I have never seen a bumper sticker that reads "My Canada includes Alberta." I am sure I won't either.

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We in central Canada do not understand this statement.

Norway left Sweden and built sovereign wealth. Slovakia and Czech Republic split and both thrived. Ireland broke free and became a tech and finance hub. Singapore with nothing became one of the world's richest nations.

Alberta has $14 trillion dollars in proven oil and gas reserves. A 400 billion dollar economy. More GDP than 150 countries.

The argument that Alberta can't do what dozens of others have done is unsupported by reality.

Since 1990, over 30 new nations have emerged. Independence isn't rare. It's a historical normality.

We are now awaiting the start of the official verification phase, which will determine whether the referendum question proceeds to a province-wide vote in October 2026. The months ahead will be critical as Albertans continue building momentum, raising awareness, and preparing for what could become one of the most important democratic moments in our province's history.

A judge is trying to DENY Albertans the right to vote on independence.

Justice Shaina Leonard quashed an Alberta independence petition, citing an incorrect interpretation of legislation, a failure to follow previous court rulings, and a lack of Crown consultation.

Leonard's decision squashes the Alberta's Chief Electoral Officer's decision to issue Mitch Sylvestre a second's issuance of Stay Free Alberta's independence petition.

Leonard made the ruling following a judicial review of the CEO's decision on a request from the Athabasca Chipewyan First Nation and the Blackfoot Confederacy.

Several Alberta First Nations had argued Alberta's referendum process and its use by idenpendence advocates are unconstitutional, as there's no requirement for indigenous consultation.

Their lawyers claimed separation would violate treaty rights.

Lawyers for the province defended the process and pushed for the separatist petition to play out.

Premier Danielle Smith has said if the petition got enough signatures, the group's question would be put on a ballot this fall.

Yet, this judge just threw out the independence referendum petition on the grounds that it violates the "duty to consult."

Danielle Smith calls the court decision blocking independence "incorrect & undemocratic" and says the Alberta government will appeal it.

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Danielle Smith says Cabinet will soon decide whether to use its authority to put an independence question on the Oct. 19 referendum ballot.

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I don't understand this. The petition followed the law that was passed by the provincial government. A few Aboriginal Chiefs should not be able to override the legal democratic process.

But, my understanding it this does not necessarily stop an independence vote. The Alberta government can still call an independence vote. They can justify saying it meets a certain threshold that they set.

I don't want Alberta to leave. The rest of Canada will not survive losing our most productive province. But I get their frustrations.

Independence can free the prairies from Justine-appointed judges.

This aint happening Danielle. You made a deal with the devil. Chugs and BC can block this. All you doing is making sure investment goes to your province because you agreed to massively hiking Conman's suicidal industrial carbon tax.

The federal and Alberta governments have unveiled a sweeping new energy agreement that includes a target date of September 1, 2027 for construction approval on a BC coast oil pipeline designed to move more than one million barrels of Alberta oil per day to Asian markets.

The agreement, announced Friday in Calgary by Prime Minister Mark Carney and Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, also commits both governments to major changes in the industrial carbon tax system, electricity policy, environmental approvals, and federal regulations affecting Alberta's energy sector.

Under the deal, Alberta will submit a formal proposal for the pipeline to the federal Major Projects Office by July 1, 2026, with Ottawa pledging to pursue "project of national interest" designation by Oct. 1, 2026.

Here are the key dates:

October 1, 2026: Designation of a pipeline as in the national interest of the country.
September 1, 2027: The earliest construction date for the start of the pipeline.
The pipeline should be completed by 2034.
Smith said the agreement demonstrates Alberta and Ottawa are serious about building major infrastructure and expanding global market access for Canadian energy.

"Alberta is ready to build, invest, and partner, but we cannot afford to lose another decade," Smith said in a statement.

Among provinces in the federation, only Alberta must go through the humiliating ritual of grovelling and negotiating with the federal government to develop its industries and export its products. Ontario's premier doesn't have to beg for permission to expand automotive manufacturing, nor does Quebec have to snivel if it wants to expand a maple syrup plantation. Alberta, however, is reduced to having to offer concessions to be allowed to do what every other oil-producing jurisdiction on the planet does without hesitation.

There is little indication that the federal government has any interest in allowing Alberta to expand its resource production and export infrastructure. Carney has talked and talked and talked for over a year now, and we aren't an inch closer to getting something done than we were a year ago. Premier Danielle Smith keeps setting deadlines, and they keep passing. Now, Smith is celebrating that she and Carney have more officially entrenched the MOU they created long ago, but what does that mean?

Has Carney repealed the "No More Pipelines Act," which has stalled development in Alberta for years?

Has Carney repealed the tanker ban on the West Coast despite tankers constantly docking in Eastern Canadian ports?

Has Carney retracted his assertion that indigenous consent will be required to get projects constructed?

Has Carney retracted his assertion that provincial permission must be attained by BC or Quebec to get pipelines constructed?

Unless all of these things have been done, nothing of note will be expanding in Alberta. Canada is uncompetitive on the world market and will remain so until the government chooses to get out of the damn way.

No pipeline has ever been talked into the ground, but Carney and Smith appear determined to try that method.

According to an RBC report, over a trillion dollars in potential investment has already fled Canada in the last decade, and most of that was potential oil and gas investment. The conditions causing that capital flight haven't been addressed, thus the flight will only continue.

If Mark Carney truly wants to see these projects done, he can say so any time. He can declare these projects to be in the national interest and that he will use his constitutional authority to get them done. He won't do that, though. He just offers mealy-mouthed promises and more negotiations. His Major Projects Office was created almost a year ago with the ostensible goal of fast-tracking approvals. So far, it hasn't approved a single project. I think we can safely call that initiative a failure. It is an office of false hopes and continued deferral. Nothing more. And it appears to be that way by design.

Carney pretends the holdup is with a lack of interest from private investors, but that's an outright lie. Private companies desperately want to produce and export more oil and gas while world energy prices spike. They have made no secret of what's holding them up.

Cenovus CEO Jon McKenzie called Canada's energy policies "myopically focused on the climate agenda," arguing they have made "resource development and investment in the country uncompetitive with the rest of the world."

This fake deal between Conman Carney and Smith will never get shovels in the ground and Smith knows that. Chug chiefs and Eby still have a veto. The tanker ban is still in place. The carbon sucking machine and Carney's industrial carbon tax will add $15 in costs to every barrel produced. This is about aappeasing the soft independence vote.

Nah, come see Alberta when they are a republic. If that doesn't happen big companies should take their investment dollars to Venezuela. Canada under the Liberals is closed for business.

Conman Carney flew to Calgary to sign an agreement with Alberta Premier Danielle Smith. Here are the details you need to know about:

The industrial carbon tax, which is the hidden carbon tax on Canadian businesses, will significantly increase.

The carbon tax currently costs $40/tonne in Alberta. It will increase to $130/tonne by 2040. Carney said the higher carbon tax rates will apply across Canada.

In exchange for higher carbon taxes, Carney said the federal government might approve a pipeline to the west coast.

Here's what we know for sure from this agreement: Carbon tax hikes are guaranteed. A new pipeline is a maybe.

Danielle Smith is supposed to make a televised address to her province tomorrow night. Rumour has it she will be announcing an independence referendum for October.

Answering those anti independence idiots.

1. "It's a waste of money." Is that your position on all minority opinions — that they're not worth addressing?
2. "It will cost millions." A referendum is already happening. Adding one question isn't going to cost millions more.
3. "A referendum causes division." So anything that isn't universally agreed upon should just be ignored to avoid conflict? That's a pretty authoritarian position. And by that logic, every NDP policy should be scrapped too — Alberta is clearly Conservative.
4. "A referendum will hurt the economy." Our economy is already struggling. Our primary industry can't attract investment due to federal policy, and we still can't get product to market. There's no light at the end of the tunnel.
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Do you think Quebec would face this same level of interference if they decided to hold another referendum on Independence from Canada? 🤔
The double standard against Alberta is impossible to ignore.