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Title: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 12:40:47 PM

As far as their predatory pricing of world crude NO!! However, I'm thinking about domestic reforms and foreign policy? I have heard he was considered a moderate, especially for expanding women's roles in society. Will the new ruler move even further to Islamic right or pursue more liberalization?

What does this succession mean?

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 23, 2015, 02:36:21 PM

I don't think there'll be any significant changes. The Saud's love things just the way they are and the West won't be pushing for reforms.

"You beheaded how many innocent people for witchcraft? Tsk tsk. Wanna buy some tanks?"

Maybe in a few years they'll let women drive cars as long as they're on a leash.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 23, 2015, 02:49:11 PM

~~Quote~~Prime Minister Stephen Harper has offered his condolences to the people of Saudi Arabia on the death of King Abdullah.

The monarch of the oil-rich country who sought to modernize the ultraconservative Muslim kingdom died Friday at the age of 90.

A royal court statement said Abdullah's 79-year-old half-brother, Prince Salman, would become the new Saudi leader.

In a statement, Harper said Abdullah was a "strong proponent of peace" in the Middle East.

//http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/01/22/stephen-harper-king-abdullah_n_6528942.html

ac_wot

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 02:51:15 PM

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~I don't think there'll be any significant changes. The Saud's love things just the way they are and the West won't be pushing for reforms.

"You beheaded how many innocent people for witchcraft? Tsk tsk. Wanna buy some tanks?"

Maybe in a few years they'll let women drive cars as long as they're on a leash.

It sickens me the way the entire hypocritical Western world has done business with that awful fucking country. The West kisses their asses. I would turn that shithole into the international pariah it deserves to be like the West did with apartheid era South Africa. Remove the security guarantee, so their oil cannot get to market. Drive the price of crude back up and make North America the new OPEC.

FUCK THE KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA!!

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 23, 2015, 03:25:02 PM

Oh, I should have included this in my last post, via Gay Boy Bob on VF:

~~Quote~~The Harper government boasts of conducting a high-minded, "principled" foreign policy. In that case, could someone in government explain why Saudi Arabia is Canada's second-largest export market for military sales? Where's the principle in that?

Could that same person explain why the Harper government cozies up to a regime whose decision to drive down the world price of oil is crippling Canada's oil industry and hurting the economy; whose government-sponsored support for a Wahhabi/Salafist form of Islam has spawned terrorism in many places; whose government opposes any attempt to curtail greenhouse gases; whose government oppresses its Shia minorities; and whose government has beheaded more people in 2014 than any other in the world and sentences a blogger to 1,000 lashes and 10 years in prison for insulting Islam.

Where's the "principle" in a 14-year deal to sell $10-billion worth of Canadian light armoured vehicles to a systematic human-rights-abusing regime? That deal was underwritten by the Canadian Commercial Corporation last year, and touted by Harper ministers as a job-creator for General Dynamics in London, Ont., and more than 500 other Canadian firms.

The Canadian Manufacturers and Exporters association hailed the contract as an "Olympic win for Canada." Maybe it was commercially, but where's the "principle" in selling $10-billion worth of military equipment to an unlovely regime whose actions run so counter to Canadian interests around the world?

Where's the "principle" in arranging visits to Saudi Arabia for Foreign Minister John Baird and welcoming Saudi leaders to Canada when that country, arguably more than any other, has been responsible for financing schools and teaching that promote the Saudi's Wahhabi version of Islam, which in turn has provided a fertile breeding ground for extremism and terrorism.

The government itself, of course, no longer spreads money around the Muslim world to promote Wahhabi thought, but plenty of individual Saudis and non-government organizations do. Since the Canadian government now declares that we are in a "war" against terror (the word "war" is politically arresting, but it dangerously misrepresents the actual state of affairs), no country's religious philosophy has done more to spawn terrorist thinking than Saudi Arabia's.

//http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/cozying-up-to-saudi-arabia-how-can-that-be-principled/article22489227/

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 03:25:26 PM

Saudi Arabia is a lucrative military export market for Britain and Germany too.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/defence-and-security-blog/2015/jan/15/bahrain-human-rights-arms-military

http://www.dw.de/controversial-arms-exports-to-saudi-arabia/a-16602151

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 03:41:50 PM

Saudi Arabia is a major arms importer. If we don't sell to them the French, British, Germans, Norwegians, Chinese or Americans will. Barring an international embargo(which wouldn't be honoured anyway), I would rather see Canada earn revenue from arms exports to the ME than our competitors.

~~Quote~~According to SIPRI, who released new figures this week, global arms sales for 2009–13 were 14 per cent higher than in 2004-2008. SIPRI analysis shows the biggest importers globally were India, China, Pakistan, the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Saudi Arabia, with the largest exporters being USA, Russia, China, Germany and France.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/articles/middle-east/10510-gulf-states-among-worlds-largest-arms-importers

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 23, 2015, 04:09:49 PM

Our competitors can sell their souls if they want to. NATO countries should only sell to NATO countries. The armoured vehicles we're selling to the Saudis aren't for defence. They're for cracking down on innocent people who dare say any little thing against the regime.

ISIS is having all sorts of fun with the weapons and vehicles the US sold to Iraq. It's so hypocritical and we're so naive. All this talk of wanting peace and winning the War on Terror, and all we do is flood the Middle East with more and more arms.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 04:30:19 PM

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~Our competitors can sell their souls if they want to. NATO countries should only sell to NATO countries. The armoured vehicles we're selling to the Saudis aren't for defence. They're for cracking down on innocent people who dare say any little thing against the regime.

ISIS is having all sorts of fun with the weapons and vehicles the US sold to Iraq. It's so hypocritical and we're so naive. All this talk of wanting peace and winning the War on Terror, and all we do is flood the Middle East with more and more arms.

Some do only sell to NATO countries(officially anyway, unofficially fuck no). Norway sells weaponry to the Czech Republic and Poland who then they resell to some pretty nasty countries.

201 Iraqis Killed with Norwegian Weapons

http://www.tnp.no/norway/politics/2068-201-iraqis-killed-with-norwegian-weapons

If ME regimes have the money to pay it's not difficult finding a supplier.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Renee on January 23, 2015, 05:48:17 PM

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~Our competitors can sell their souls if they want to. NATO countries should only sell to NATO countries. The armoured vehicles we're selling to the Saudis aren't for defence. They're for cracking down on innocent people who dare say any little thing against the regime.

ISIS is having all sorts of fun with the weapons and vehicles the US sold to Iraq. It's so hypocritical and we're so naive. All this talk of wanting peace and winning the War on Terror, and all we do is flood the Middle East with more and more arms.

So it's the fault of the US that the cowardly ragheads ran like little girls and abandoned millions of dollars of US provided weapons and equipment?

Yeah, I guess that makes sense to a dumbass proggy like you. ac_toofunny

BTW, ever stop to think that they were sold those weapons and then trained people how to use them so that they could defend themselves against aggressors like ISIS? It's not the fault of the US or any other country that the Iraqi people are more interested is jamming their fingers in the asses than they are protecting themselves.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 23, 2015, 06:11:32 PM

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~So it's the fault of the US that the cowardly ragheads ran like little girls and abandoned millions of dollars of US provided weapons and equipment?

No, it's Bush and Cheney's fault. Did you forget?

The US supported and armed the mujahideen in Afghanistan. They became the Taliban and al Qaeda.

The US illegally invaded Iraq. It created ISIS.

The US bombed Libya. It created yet another terrorist haven.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 07:12:50 PM

It's the fault of those pesky Swedes.

Arming dictators

~~Quote~~"Swedes see themselves as very ethical and restrictive when it comes to giving human rights violators or dictators things that help them stay in power. But the reality is that has happened," said Siemon Wezeman, an arms expert at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).

"In the last decade or so they've been more open to it, because those are the markets," he added.

"In the past they wouldn't have done business with Saudi Arabia due to human rights concerns -- it's obviously a place that rings all kinds of alarm bells -- but that has changed... They've sold them Eriye (radar tracking systems) and anti-tank missiles and marketed other weapons there."

http://www.businessinsider.com/swedens-dirty-secret-they-arm-dictators-2014-5

The reality is that blaming the West is stupid and solves nothing. Private Gulf funding to various Syrian rebel groups has splintered the Syrian opposition and paved the way for the rise of groups like ISIS and others.

The ultimate fault though lay with a barbaric ideology called ~~[size=200]~~ISLAM!![/size]

As long as we keep sticking our heads and denying what the real problem is we can expect groups like ISIS and AQ to take advantage of what they perceive as our weakness/cowardice.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 23, 2015, 07:51:58 PM

I don't see how Islam is forcing us to support and arm human rights violators and dictators.

I'm quite sure our leaders are doing so because they want to.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Gary Oak on January 23, 2015, 08:28:29 PM

Muslims are slime. Europe and Canada send them weapons and they are so useless they let them wind up in the hands of their enemies. If they didn't have oil they would be wild apes living in caves.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 09:51:40 PM

~~Quote~~I'm quite sure our leaders are doing so because they want to.

The West will continue to do this as long we keep sticking our heads in the sand. We have to first acknowledge that Islam is a cancer. Picking good and bad Muslims is like deciding if we should shoot ourselves in the head or the chest. Islam is the problem and not acknowledging that fact is our problem.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on January 23, 2015, 10:34:38 PM

He never sticks to the important issue .... denies or diverts from it in fact ... or tries to run it off into the nether land

You said it ALL in one simple sentence

~~Quote~~Islam is the problem

and not acknowledging that fact is our problem.

There is NO more to the story

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Frost on January 23, 2015, 10:43:25 PM

The new old guy says all is going to stay about the same.

I think he was running the show anyhow on the most part.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2015, 10:45:03 PM

~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~He never sticks to the important issue .... denies or diverts from it in fact ... or tries to run it off into the nether land

You said it ALL in one simple sentence
~~Quote~~Islam is the problem

and not acknowledging that fact is our problem.
There is NO more to the story

Oh, I know and people will continue all over the globe until we grow a collective pair and admit the problem is ISLAM ITSELF. Not Dick Cheney, not the Swedes, not Canada's latest weapons sales to the RSA. We cannot keep picking good and bad Muslims. All of Islam is evil to the core and as long as we refuse to accept that basic truth people will continue to be slaughtered in the West and around the globe.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 24, 2015, 12:10:24 AM

~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~He never sticks to the important issue .... denies or diverts from it in fact ... or tries to run it off into the nether land

You said it ALL in one simple sentence
~~Quote~~Islam is the problem

and not acknowledging that fact is our problem.
There is NO more to the story

Shen Li specifically asked you about an important issue and this is all you've got?

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 24, 2015, 12:10:47 AM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote~~I'm quite sure our leaders are doing so because they want to.

The West will continue to do this as long we keep sticking our heads in the sand. We have to first acknowledge that Islam is a cancer. Picking good and bad Muslims is like deciding if we should shoot ourselves in the head or the chest. Islam is the problem and not acknowledging that fact is our problem.

We don't pick good and bad Muslims. We always pick bad Muslims. Think about all the oppressive regimes and dictators in the Middle East the West has supported for over a hundred years.

We're "friends" and "allies" with Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The CIA and UK helped to overthrow Iran's democratic government in 1953. The West helped to bring in Saddam Hussein. The Sykes–Picot "Agreement" carved up the region. The list goes on and on.

Islam isn't forcing us to support bad Muslims.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on January 24, 2015, 12:19:39 AM

~~Quote~~Oh, I know and people will continue all over the globe until we grow a collective pair and admit the problem is ISLAM ITSELF. Not Dick Cheney, not the Swedes, not Canada's latest weapons sales to the RSA. We cannot keep picking good and bad Muslims. All of Islam is evil to the core and as long as we refuse to accept that basic truth people will continue to be slaughtered in the West and around the globe.

"Picking" the right ones has been our folly. We do need countries as allies irrespective of their mores

It's really a huge DUH!! - Anyone who worships / adores a slaughterer that lived and advocated and instructed others to follow that path can NEVER be trusted in our world. Till we get that we are lost. Our leaders are lost .... It's the 30s all over again.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2015, 12:23:46 AM

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~
~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote~~I'm quite sure our leaders are doing so because they want to.

The West will continue to do this as long we keep sticking our heads in the sand. We have to first acknowledge that Islam is a cancer. Picking good and bad Muslims is like deciding if we should shoot ourselves in the head or the chest. Islam is the problem and not acknowledging that fact is our problem.

We always pick bad Muslims.

There is no other kind of Islamists. The West needs to grow a pair and admit the problem is ISLAM ITSELF.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 24, 2015, 12:27:57 AM

Iran used to have a secular government and so did Iraq. Afghanistan did before the USSR occupation. Libya did before Obama. Now Obama and the neo-cons want jihadists to take over Syria.

Instability in the Middle East is a Western specialty. We're not fighting against Islamic extremism. We're supporting it - on purpose.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2015, 12:31:42 AM

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~Iran used to have a secular government and so did Iraq. Afghanistan did before the USSR occupation. Libya did before Obama. Now Obama and the neo-cons want jihadists to take over Syria.

Instability in the Middle East is a Western specialty. We're not fighting against Islamic extremism. We're supporting it - on purpose.

There you go, you admitted yourself the problem is ISLAM ITSELF. It spread like the cancer it is.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 24, 2015, 01:27:07 AM

No, I admitted we have a problem with picking bad Islam - on purpose.

Our own Prime Minister called Abdullah a "strong proponent of peace" when we should be calling the Saudi royal family a cancer.

Are the Islamic women of Saudi Arabia a cancer? The Islamic men who want reform? They are not. Islam has little to do with it. We're picking the wrong side - on purpose.

Our governments have always chosen to ally ourselves with the bad Islamic regimes. We almost never support the moderates.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on January 24, 2015, 01:40:24 AM

~~Quote~~ We almost never support the moderates.

OK. 1. What moderate islamic countries do you suggest would make good strategic allies

and for that matter, 2. which of the of the 57 majority islamic countries which would you consider to be moderate??

Feel free to use several pages if necessary

I say Egypt with El Sisi in command would make a great and strategic partner ..... I'm having some difficulties after that .... help me please

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2015, 01:49:41 AM

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~No, I admitted we have a problem with picking bad Islam - on purpose.

Our own Prime Minister called Abdullah a "strong proponent of peace" when we should be calling the Saudi royal family a cancer.

Are the Islamic women of Saudi Arabia a cancer? The Islamic men who want reform? They are not. Islam has little to do with it. We're picking the wrong side - on purpose.

Our governments have always chosen to ally ourselves with the bad Islamic regimes. We almost never support the moderates.

You know Islamic women are prisoners of an evil ideology.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 24, 2015, 02:26:13 AM

~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~
~~Quote~~ We almost never support the moderates.
OK. 1. What moderate islamic countries do you suggest would make good strategic allies

and for that matter, 2. which of the of the 57 majority islamic countries which would you consider to be moderate??

Feel free to use several pages if necessary

I say Egypt with El Sisi in command would make a great and strategic partner ..... I'm having some difficulties after that .... help me please

Unfortunately there aren't many moderate Islamic countries left. We helped to make that happen. There could be more moderate Islamic countries if we supported them. We can't deny the fact that we've mainly supported oppressive regimes and dictatorships. We've done it throughout the world for over at least a hundred years for our "best interests". Why are we friends with Saudi Arabia and Egypt?

Why did the US and the West invade Iraq to create ISIS? Why did Obama and the West make Libya a terrorist haven?

2. Barely any now. Again, because of our help. All of these countries were better off and more moderate before Western intervention.

Think about it. Obama, Harper, Bush, the neo-cons, and all the West have been gung ho about mucking things up in the Mid East.

We're not mucking things up because we want peace. It's modern colonialism.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 24, 2015, 02:35:33 AM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~You know Islamic women are prisoners of an evil ideology.

Yes. Very much so. An evil ideology conveniently invented by men. Religion has practically nothing to do with it.

Religion is only an excuse and shames the faith and beliefs of good people.

It's no coincidence that it's mainly men who are the extremists of any religion or ideology.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on January 24, 2015, 12:09:26 PM

~~Quote~~Why did the US and the West invade Iraq to create ISIS? Why did Obama and the West make Libya a terrorist haven?

While I agree invasions were stupid, we didn't "create" of "make" anything. All we did was to give islam the chance to be islam ... instead of at its own speed

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on January 24, 2015, 12:09:31 PM

~~Quote~~Why did the US and the West invade Iraq to create ISIS? Why did Obama and the West make Libya a terrorist haven?

While I agree invasions were stupid, we didn't "create" or "make" anything.

All we did was to give islam the chance to be islam sooner ... instead of at its own speed

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Gary Oak on January 24, 2015, 04:27:51 PM

~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~
~~Quote~~Why did the US and the West invade Iraq to create ISIS? Why did Obama and the West make Libya a terrorist haven?
While I agree invasions were stupid, we didn't "create" or "make" anything.

All we did was to give islam the chance to be islam sooner ... instead of at its own speed

If they want to follow an illiterate pedo murderer let them. But don't the muslim slime into Canada.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2015, 06:11:18 PM

~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~
~~Quote~~Why did the US and the West invade Iraq to create ISIS? Why did Obama and the West make Libya a terrorist haven?
While I agree invasions were stupid, we didn't "create" or "make" anything.

All we did was to give islam the chance to be islam sooner ... instead of at its own speed

BULLSEYE again CC. Islam is the fucking cancer.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2015, 02:08:36 PM

One of the two Japanese hostages being held by ISIS has been beheaded.

http://rt.com/news/225763-isis-execute-japanese-hostage/

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2015, 04:02:02 PM

~~Quote from: "seoulbro"~~One of the two Japanese hostages being held by ISIS has been beheaded.

http://rt.com/news/225763-isis-execute-japanese-hostage/

ac_crying

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2015, 12:36:20 AM

~~Quote from: "seoulbro"~~One of the two Japanese hostages being held by ISIS has been beheaded.

http://rt.com/news/225763-isis-execute-japanese-hostage/

That's Dick Cheney and Canada's fault. We cannot blame Islam for slaughtering people on the command of......ISLAM!!

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on January 26, 2015, 06:58:50 PM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote from: "seoulbro"~~One of the two Japanese hostages being held by ISIS has been beheaded.

http://rt.com/news/225763-isis-execute-japanese-hostage/

That's Dick Cheney and Canada's fault. We cannot blame Islam for slaughtering people on the command of......ISLAM!!

Islamophobia is our fault.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on January 26, 2015, 10:53:16 PM

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Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
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Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2015, 04:11:58 PM

ISIS as commanded by the religion of peace is about to behead a second Japanese hostage.

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~~Quote~~The Islamic State jihadist group threatened Tuesday to kill a Japanese journalist and a Jordanian pilot within 24 hours unless Amman frees a jailed female militant.

A video released on jihadist websites shows a picture of Japanese hostage Kenji Goto holding a photograph of Jordanian pilot Maaz al-Kassasbeh.

A voiceover, purportedly by Goto, warns that Jordan is blocking the Japanese journalist's release by failing to free Sajida al-Rishawi, a would-be suicide bomber on death row since 2006.

It follows a video released last week in which the group claimed to have beheaded another Japanese hostage, Haruna Yukawa, and said Goto would be killed next if Rishawi was not freed.

Japan said following the new threat that it was seeking help from Jordan.

"The government in this extremely difficult situation has been asking for assistance from the Jordanian government towards securing Goto's early release," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga told reporters.

Moments after the new video appeared, Goto's mother Junko Ishido said: "I think the government should do whatever it can do".

"Kenji does not hold any animosity toward the Islamic State. He went to the Islamic State out of his extreme concern for Mr. Yukawa," she told Japanese media.

Earlier Tokyo said it was working with Jordan to free both Goto and Kassasbeh.

"Both countries are closely cooperating towards the return of each of them to their countries," deputy foreign minister Yasuhide Nakayama told reporters in Amman.

Jordan's King Abdullah pledged full cooperation with Japan during a meeting with Nakayama to ensure Goto's release, Tokyo said.

The new video says Goto and Kassasbeh will be killed within 24 hours if Rishawi is not freed, and urges the Japanese government to put pressure on Jordan.

There was no immediate comment from Jordan, a moderate Muslim nation that is one of Japan's closest diplomatic allies in the Middle East.

Kassasbeh was captured by IS on December 24 after his F-16 jet crashed while on a mission against the jihadists over northern Syria.

- Deadly hotel bombings -

Rishawi was sentenced to death by a Jordanian court in September 2006 in connection with triple hotel bomb attacks in Amman the previous year that killed 60 people.

The 44-year-old was arrested four days after the attacks in which her husband Ali Hussein al-Shammari and two other Iraqis blew themselves up.

The heaviest casualties came when Shammari detonated his explosives belt at the Radisson SAS hotel as a wedding was in full swing.

Two other hotels were hit in the coordinated attacks and most of the dead were Jordanians.

IS apparently beheaded Yukawa, a Japanese contractor, last week after a 72-hour deadline for a $200 million ransom passed without payment.

The ransom demand came as Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe pledged, during a trip to the Middle East, a $200 million aid package to countries affected by the militant group's bloody expansion in Iraq and Syria.

In response, Abe vowed to never "give in to terrorism".

In a video released Saturday, IS said its demand had now changed and it wanted Rishawi released from death row in Jordan in exchange for the life of Goto.

Tokyo is likely to face resistance from Washington over any kind of swap.

Asked about recent developments, US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said a prisoner exchange was "in the same category" as paying a ransom.

IS has seized swathes of Syria and Iraq where it has declared a "caliphate".

It has committed atrocities including the beheadings of two US reporters, an American aid worker and two British aid workers.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/is-threatens-to-kill-japan-hostage-jordan-pilot-within-24-hours/ar-AA8DUaz?ocid=mailsignoutmd

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 09:04:24 AM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~ISIS as commanded by the religion of peace is about to behead a second Japanese hostage.

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~~Quote~~The Islamic State jihadist group threatened Tuesday to kill a Japanese journalist and a Jordanian pilot within 24 hours unless Amman frees a jailed female militant.

A video released on jihadist websites shows a picture of Japanese hostage Kenji Goto holding a photograph of Jordanian pilot Maaz al-Kassasbeh.

A voiceover, purportedly by Goto, warns that Jordan is blocking the Japanese journalist's release by failing to free Sajida al-Rishawi, a would-be suicide bomber on death row since 2006.

It follows a video released last week in which the group claimed to have beheaded another Japanese hostage, Haruna Yukawa, and said Goto would be killed next if Rishawi was not freed.

Japan said following the new threat that it was seeking help from Jordan.

"The government in this extremely difficult situation has been asking for assistance from the Jordanian government towards securing Goto's early release," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga told reporters.

Moments after the new video appeared, Goto's mother Junko Ishido said: "I think the government should do whatever it can do".

"Kenji does not hold any animosity toward the Islamic State. He went to the Islamic State out of his extreme concern for Mr. Yukawa," she told Japanese media.

Earlier Tokyo said it was working with Jordan to free both Goto and Kassasbeh.

"Both countries are closely cooperating towards the return of each of them to their countries," deputy foreign minister Yasuhide Nakayama told reporters in Amman.

Jordan's King Abdullah pledged full cooperation with Japan during a meeting with Nakayama to ensure Goto's release, Tokyo said.

The new video says Goto and Kassasbeh will be killed within 24 hours if Rishawi is not freed, and urges the Japanese government to put pressure on Jordan.

There was no immediate comment from Jordan, a moderate Muslim nation that is one of Japan's closest diplomatic allies in the Middle East.

Kassasbeh was captured by IS on December 24 after his F-16 jet crashed while on a mission against the jihadists over northern Syria.

- Deadly hotel bombings -

Rishawi was sentenced to death by a Jordanian court in September 2006 in connection with triple hotel bomb attacks in Amman the previous year that killed 60 people.

The 44-year-old was arrested four days after the attacks in which her husband Ali Hussein al-Shammari and two other Iraqis blew themselves up.

The heaviest casualties came when Shammari detonated his explosives belt at the Radisson SAS hotel as a wedding was in full swing.

Two other hotels were hit in the coordinated attacks and most of the dead were Jordanians.

IS apparently beheaded Yukawa, a Japanese contractor, last week after a 72-hour deadline for a $200 million ransom passed without payment.

The ransom demand came as Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe pledged, during a trip to the Middle East, a $200 million aid package to countries affected by the militant group's bloody expansion in Iraq and Syria.

In response, Abe vowed to never "give in to terrorism".

In a video released Saturday, IS said its demand had now changed and it wanted Rishawi released from death row in Jordan in exchange for the life of Goto.

Tokyo is likely to face resistance from Washington over any kind of swap.

Asked about recent developments, US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said a prisoner exchange was "in the same category" as paying a ransom.

IS has seized swathes of Syria and Iraq where it has declared a "caliphate".

It has committed atrocities including the beheadings of two US reporters, an American aid worker and two British aid workers.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/is-threatens-to-kill-japan-hostage-jordan-pilot-within-24-hours/ar-AA8DUaz?ocid=mailsignoutmd

~~I hope there is a last minute solution.~~

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Renee on January 28, 2015, 10:12:25 AM

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~
~~Quote from: "Renee"~~So it's the fault of the US that the cowardly ragheads ran like little girls and abandoned millions of dollars of US provided weapons and equipment?

No, it's Bush and Cheney's fault. Did you forget?

The US supported and armed the mujahideen in Afghanistan. They became the Taliban and al Qaeda.

The US illegally invaded Iraq. It created ISIS.

The US bombed Libya. It created yet another terrorist haven.

You're an idiot but we already know this. What pray tell is an "illegal invasion"????? Is their a legal one and what beyond your unicorn and fairy based world view is the difference?

BTW, the US didn't create a terrorist haven in Libya by bombing it. Obviously your view of things in the ME only extends back 10 years or so. ac_toofunny I guess you never realized that the country of Libya had been ruled through brutal repression by a lunatic for decades effectively creating an underground Islamic state in the eastern half of the country that became a haven for radicals long before any US involvement in Libyan affairs. Going all the way back to the Nixon Admin Libya was a hot bed for Islamic radicals.

"Prior to Qadhafi's downfall, eastern Libya remained a locus of extremist activity over which Government of Libya security services had comparatively limited control. Eastern Libya suffered from a disproportionately high level of unemployment, particularly for young men between the ages of 18 and 34. At least half of the young men in that demographic were unemployed or only intermittently employed. The situation reflected in part the Qadhafi regime's belief that if it kept the east poor enough, it would be unable to mount any serious political opposition to the regime. The rationale is explaining in the Libyan proverb: "If you treat them like dogs, they will follow you like dogs".

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/libya/islam-radical.htm

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 10:22:07 AM

~~Quote~~The US illegally invaded Iraq. It created ISIS.

The US created ISIS?? Romero has made some outrageous claims in the past, but this one is ridiculous even by his standards.

Let's get one thing straight, a violent pedo named Mo created ISIS, Al Q, Hamas, Hezbollah, Jihad a helluva long time ago. That cowardly murderer whom all these organizations hold up as the messenger of Allah predates the USA by a little bit.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Renee on January 28, 2015, 10:58:26 AM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote~~The US illegally invaded Iraq. It created ISIS.

The US created ISIS?? Romero has made some outrageous claims in the past, but this one is ridiculous even by his standards.

Let's get one thing straight, a violent pedo named Mo created ISIS, Al Q, Hamas, Hezbollah, Jihad a helluva long time ago. That cowardly murderer whom all these organizations hold up as the messenger of Allah predates the USA by a little bit.

Romero is a typical far left Muslim sympathizer. He thinks that if he pets the wolf nicely it won't bite his hand off. He also thinks the US is to blame for all the radical Islamic fundies running around. But he ignores the real reasons for their existence because those reasons are a lot harder to address. Plus he really doesn't understand the reasons for Islamic radicalism because they run counter to his childlike world view. He doesn't get or want to get that Islam at it's root is a violent expansionist ideology that puts obedience to the prophet above ALL things. He doesn't get that radical Islam comes from within where poverty and ignorance are the common factor keeping entire societies in the dark ages. He doesn't get that brutal dictators in ME countries who try to repress their ignorant populations are the true breeders of radical Islam.

Ignorance and zealotry are forever busy and they need feeding. In centuries past Europe was the main target of radical Islamic expansion. In the Islamic world Europe was seen as the enemy and the target for Islamic expansion. In recent years the US is seen as the great enemy. In centuries to come who will be next? It's anyone's guess but one thing is certain, Islam will never rest in it's attempt to conquer the world unless it is either contained, fundamentally changed in it's thinking or fucking stamped out.

Romero only see what his far left political and media slave owners want him to see; hence his almost fanatical use of bias news sources like the Huff and Puff or Politico or worst of all Media Matters ac_lmfao.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 11:57:17 AM

^Islam has always been expansionist since it's very beginning. This is not the fault of the West, it is the commandments of it's violent founder. ISIS is here today, because ISLAM commands it.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on January 28, 2015, 02:08:26 PM

They and all islamists are merely following / mimicking the slaughterer prophet ... exactly as ordered.

It is those who do not mimic their prophet who are outside of islam. So-called moderates may claim to be islamic but not living one's life based on the life of the prophet makes them not true to islam and not true islamics.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 28, 2015, 02:25:03 PM

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~You're an idiot but we already know this. What pray tell is an "illegal invasion"????? Is their a legal one and what beyond your unicorn and fairy based world view is the difference?

BTW, the US didn't create a terrorist haven in Libya by bombing it. Obviously your view of things in the ME only extends back 10 years or so. ac_toofunny I guess you never realized that the country of Libya had been ruled through brutal repression by a lunatic for decades effectively creating an underground Islamic state in the eastern half of the country that became a haven for radicals long before any US involvement in Libyan affairs. Going all the way back to the Nixon Admin Libya was a hot bed for Islamic radicals.

"Prior to Qadhafi's downfall, eastern Libya remained a locus of extremist activity over which Government of Libya security services had comparatively limited control. Eastern Libya suffered from a disproportionately high level of unemployment, particularly for young men between the ages of 18 and 34. At least half of the young men in that demographic were unemployed or only intermittently employed. The situation reflected in part the Qadhafi regime's belief that if it kept the east poor enough, it would be unable to mount any serious political opposition to the regime. The rationale is explaining in the Libyan proverb: "If you treat them like dogs, they will follow you like dogs".

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/libya/islam-radical.htm

The US had no authorization to attack Iraq. Under international law, a country can not be attacked unless it's a threat.

*Spoiler Alert*

Iraq was no threat. Bush lied. Don't you remember? There was no al-Qaeda in Iraq and no ISIS until after the invasion and occupation.

As for Libya, what happens when a country is bombed and its leaders removed? Good things or bad things? What happened to bringing in democracy and stability? As usual, it was never the purpose.

I thought you hated everything Obama does? Yet you support his military intervention? How nice that Republicans and Democrats can always agree when it comes to bombing other countries!

~~Quote~~List of countries the USA has bombed since the end of World War II

China 1945-46

Korea 1950-53

China 1950-53

Guatemala 1954

Indonesia 1958

Cuba 1959-60

Guatemala 1960

Belgian Congo 1964

Guatemala 1964

Dominican Republic 1965-66

Peru 1965

Laos 1964-73

Vietnam 1961-73

Cambodia 1969-70

Guatemala 1967-69

Lebanon 1982-84

Grenada 1983-84

Libya 1986

El Salvador 1981-92

Nicaragua 1981-90

Iran 1987-88

Libya 1989

Panama 1989-90

Iraq 1991

Kuwait 1991

Somalia 1992-94

Bosnia 1995

Iran 1998

Sudan 1998

Afghanistan 1998

Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999

Afghanistan 2001

Libya 2011

//http://www.globalresearch.ca/list-of-countries-the-usa-has-bombed-since-the-end-of-world-war-ii/24626

And that doesn't include the countries since 2011!

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Renee on January 28, 2015, 04:54:28 PM

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~
~~Quote from: "Renee"~~You're an idiot but we already know this. What pray tell is an "illegal invasion"????? Is their a legal one and what beyond your unicorn and fairy based world view is the difference?

BTW, the US didn't create a terrorist haven in Libya by bombing it. Obviously your view of things in the ME only extends back 10 years or so. ac_toofunny I guess you never realized that the country of Libya had been ruled through brutal repression by a lunatic for decades effectively creating an underground Islamic state in the eastern half of the country that became a haven for radicals long before any US involvement in Libyan affairs. Going all the way back to the Nixon Admin Libya was a hot bed for Islamic radicals.

"Prior to Qadhafi's downfall, eastern Libya remained a locus of extremist activity over which Government of Libya security services had comparatively limited control. Eastern Libya suffered from a disproportionately high level of unemployment, particularly for young men between the ages of 18 and 34. At least half of the young men in that demographic were unemployed or only intermittently employed. The situation reflected in part the Qadhafi regime's belief that if it kept the east poor enough, it would be unable to mount any serious political opposition to the regime. The rationale is explaining in the Libyan proverb: "If you treat them like dogs, they will follow you like dogs".

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/libya/islam-radical.htm

The US had no authorization to attack Iraq. Under international law, a country can not be attacked unless it's a threat.

*Spoiler Alert*

Iraq was no threat. Bush lied. Don't you remember? There was no al-Qaeda in Iraq and no ISIS until after the invasion and occupation.

As for Libya, what happens when a country is bombed and its leaders removed? Good things or bad things? What happened to bringing in democracy and stability? As usual, it was never the purpose.

I thought you hated everything Obama does? Yet you support his military intervention? How nice that Republicans and Democrats can always agree when it comes to bombing other countries!

~~Quote~~List of countries the USA has bombed since the end of World War II

China 1945-46

Korea 1950-53

China 1950-53

Guatemala 1954

Indonesia 1958

Cuba 1959-60

Guatemala 1960

Belgian Congo 1964

Guatemala 1964

Dominican Republic 1965-66

Peru 1965

Laos 1964-73

Vietnam 1961-73

Cambodia 1969-70

Guatemala 1967-69

Lebanon 1982-84

Grenada 1983-84

Libya 1986

El Salvador 1981-92

Nicaragua 1981-90

Iran 1987-88

Libya 1989

Panama 1989-90

Iraq 1991

Kuwait 1991

Somalia 1992-94

Bosnia 1995

Iran 1998

Sudan 1998

Afghanistan 1998

Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999

Afghanistan 2001

Libya 2011

//http://www.globalresearch.ca/list-of-countries-the-usa-has-bombed-since-the-end-of-world-war-ii/24626

And that doesn't include the countries since 2011!

Thanks for the bullshit from the tin-foil hat conspiracy site founded by Michel Chossudovsky also known as one of Canada's "nuttiests Professors" bigot and wild-eyed loon. ac_toofunny

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

As I have said before you are an idiot.

I hate to break the news to you but no international tribunal has unequivocally declared the 2003 Iraq invasion illegal. Why.... because according to UNSCR 678 "Member States were always authorized to use all necessary means to restore peace and security in Iraq. The authorization was suspended; but on condition Iraq verifiably disarm. Iraq's repeated material breach and failure to take its final opportunity meant it was lawful for Member States of the UN to use force on the basis of UNSCR 678″.

So as much as it pains you lefty bastards and US bashers, technically there are no grounds for calling the 2003 US lead invasion of Iraq illegal and doing so is highly controversial. You namby-pamby PC morons can hold your breath until you turn blue and stamp your feet all you like it's not going to change the legal situation one way or the other.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 05:11:37 PM

^What the fuck does any of that matter? Islam commands we all die ffs. Not Dick Cheney, not the late Saddam Hussein or Hosni Mubarek. Islam is the killer people.....http://images42.fotki.com/v1630/photos/5/1222605/11829814/winstononislamvie1398833149326-vi.jpg[/img]

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Renee on January 28, 2015, 05:28:46 PM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~^What the fuck does any of that matter? Islam commands we all die ffs. Not Dick Cheney, not the late Saddam Hussein or Hosni Mubarek. Islam is the killer people.....http://images42.fotki.com/v1630/photos/5/1222605/11829814/winstononislamvie1398833149326-vi.jpg[/img]

It's all part of the same problem. Western attitudes toward Islam are based in pop culture fantasy. Romero's opinions on the subject and all related subjects illustrate just how fucked up the situation is.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 05:41:52 PM

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~

It's all part of the same problem. Western attitudes toward Islam are based in pop culture fantasy. Romero's opinions on the subject and all related subjects illustrate just how fucked up the situation is.

It all comes back to what CC has said before; Islam's greatest strength is our weakness. Islam commands we die and our so-called leaders refuse to admit the problem is the ideology itself.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 28, 2015, 05:43:04 PM

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~As I have said before you are an idiot.

I hate to break the news to you but no international tribunal has unequivocally declared the 2003 Iraq invasion illegal. Why.... because according to UNSCR 678 "Member States were always authorized to use all necessary means to restore peace and security in Iraq. The authorization was suspended; but on condition Iraq verifiably disarm. Iraq's repeated material breach and failure to take its final opportunity meant it was lawful for Member States of the UN to use force on the basis of UNSCR 678″.

So as much as it pains you lefty bastards and US bashers, technically there are no grounds for calling the 2003 US lead invasion of Iraq illegal and doing so is highly controversial. You namby-pamby PC morons can hold your breath until you turn blue and stamp your feet all you like it's not going to change the legal situation one way or the other.

Wow, you're like one of the last people on Earth who think the 2003 invasion of Iraq was a good idea.

You do realize that UNSCR 678 was adopted in 1990 regarding Iraq's invasion of Kuwait?

~~Quote~~The relatively clear authority granted to Member States in this case contrasts with the disputed legality of U.S. actions in the Iraq disarmament crisis of 2002–03. The extent of authority that United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 gave is the subject of disagreement.

//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_678

~~Quote~~The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter.

He said the decision to take action in Iraq should have been made by the Security Council, not unilaterally.

//http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Renee on January 28, 2015, 06:25:55 PM

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~
~~Quote from: "Renee"~~As I have said before you are an idiot.

I hate to break the news to you but no international tribunal has unequivocally declared the 2003 Iraq invasion illegal. Why.... because according to UNSCR 678 "Member States were always authorized to use all necessary means to restore peace and security in Iraq. The authorization was suspended; but on condition Iraq verifiably disarm. Iraq's repeated material breach and failure to take its final opportunity meant it was lawful for Member States of the UN to use force on the basis of UNSCR 678″.

So as much as it pains you lefty bastards and US bashers, technically there are no grounds for calling the 2003 US lead invasion of Iraq illegal and doing so is highly controversial. You namby-pamby PC morons can hold your breath until you turn blue and stamp your feet all you like it's not going to change the legal situation one way or the other.

Wow, you're like one of the last people on Earth who think the 2003 invasion of Iraq was a good idea.

You do realize that UNSCR 678 was adopted in 1990 regarding Iraq's invasion of Kuwait?

Do you realize it was still in effect in 2003 with the stipulation mentioned??????? Besides I'm not saying whether or not I agree with the invasion. I'm saying that all your wailing and whining doesn't make the invasion illegal. Stop trying to duck, dive and divert.

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~The relatively clear authority granted to Member States in this case contrasts with the disputed legality of U.S. actions in the Iraq disarmament crisis of 2002–03. The extent of authority that United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 gave is the subject of disagreement.

//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_678

~~Quote~~The United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan has told the BBC the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter.

He said the decision to take action in Iraq should have been made by the Security Council, not unilaterally.

//http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3661134.stm

I don't give a fuck what that clown Kofi Annan said. You do know that they give the position of UN Sec. General to a insignificant member state nitwits because it gives the illusion that the UN is run by something other than the US and the security council, don't you? Besides the world court has never pursued any charges claiming the invasion was illegal. It's a controversial subject and untenable because of the provisions of the existing UNSCR 678 that gave member states legal authority to use force against Iraq. You can't have it both ways, asshole. ac_toofunny

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 06:33:12 PM

^I too think the overthrow of Hussein was stupid. However, blaming Dick Cheney, Tony Blair, Donald Rumsfeld or the tooth fairy for ISIS is pure nonsense. The seeds of violence were sown 1300 years before Iraq's regime change.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 28, 2015, 06:39:54 PM

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~Do you realize it was still in effect in 2003 with the stipulation mentioned???????

It wasn't. Bush tricked you into believing so, but of course 'Iraq was connected to 9/11', 'Saddam had wmd's', "Saddam was making nukes'...

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~Besides I'm not saying whether or not I agree with the invasion.

You don't know whether you agree with it or not yet???

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~I don't give a fuck what that clown Kofi Annan said.

Neither did Bush, but Annan was the Secretary-General of the UN. So instead of claiming it was legal when it wasn't, just admit you don't give a fuck.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Renee on January 29, 2015, 10:43:28 AM

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~
~~Quote from: "Renee"~~Do you realize it was still in effect in 2003 with the stipulation mentioned???????

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~It wasn't. Bush tricked you into believing so, but of course 'Iraq was connected to 9/11', 'Saddam had wmd's', "Saddam was making nukes'...

You are truly a hysterical far left moron. ac_toofunny No one said anything about nukes. The issue was and always had been chemical weapons and ballistic missile delivery systems.

Okay dipshit, if UNSCR 678 wasn't still in effect than why did the UN pass resolution 1441 stating that Iraq had to verify their disarmament to avoid facing military force as stipulated in 678?

OH I know why; it was because the security council had nothing better to do that day ac_toofunny . If that's the case then that turd of a UN building needs to be torn down immediately because it's taking up waaaaaay too much prime realestate in NYC.

You obviously don't get the fact that the first Gulf War had 2 objectives; liberate Kuwait and to make sure Saddam Hussein could not make war on his neighbors and to disarm. The latter objective was never clearly reached and that is why UNSCR 678 was an OPEN ENDED resolution. Iraq had been stalling since 1991 and in the months leading up to the 2003 invasion even Hans Blix said that Iraq's recent attempts at compliance were welcome but not enough. Resolution 1441 gave Iraq additional time to disarm but it was a toothless and useless resolution because the world had been waiting since fucking 1991 for Iraq comply with the UN demand for disarmament. The US, GB, Spain and Portugal all decided that the world had waited long enough and under resolution 1441 it was declared that Iraq's time was up.

How long did you expect the world to wait? The UN already looked like a toothless bunch of fools (which BTW it is) so what's the big deal? That egomaniac Saddam Hussein made sure that force was going to be necessary one way or the other. Because France was chickenshit and Russia was just being contrary, Saddam assumed that he could play games with the UN security council indefinitely. Well he was wrong just as you are wrong by calling the 2003 invasion an ILLEGAL war.

Again, if the invasion was so illegal why hasn't the world court ruled on it and brought the Bush and Blair administrations up on charges of violation of international law?????? Fuck it's only been 12 years. ac_toofunny They won't because they know they would lose because there is enough legal grounds to claim that the invasion WASN'T illegal.

Clowns like you need to get over this tin-foil hat shit. Stop paying attention to all the internet arm chair experts in international law and face the reality. I find it a real tell tail sign that you cry and whine about the US invasion of Iraq but yet you practically turn yourself inside out with denial regarding the barbarity of the ideology known as Islam. People like you make rational people physically ill with your willful head in the sand bullshit.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2015, 12:23:15 PM

^How does anyone prove the US lead overthrow of Saddam Hussein was "illegal"? Does anyone seriously think the former leaders of the US and UK will face a Nuremburg style international tribunal?

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Renee on January 29, 2015, 02:03:33 PM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~^How does anyone prove the US lead overthrow of Saddam Hussein was "illegal"? Does anyone seriously think the former leaders of the US and UK will face a Nuremburg style international tribunal?

Well maybe we should check with Kofi Annan or some other insignificant, pinhead, who prattles his or her nonsense in front of the UN General Assembly?

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Romero on January 29, 2015, 03:01:25 PM

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~No one said anything about nukes. The issue was and always had been chemical weapons and ballistic missile delivery systems.

"This is a man of great evil, as the President said. And he(Saddam) is actively pursuing nuclear weapons at this time." - Dick Cheney

"Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." - George W. Bush

~~Quote~~Amid questions about prewar intelligence, the White House is acknowledging that President Bush was incorrect when he said in his State of the Union address that Iraq recently had sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa.

//http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-admits-wmd-error/

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~Okay dipshit, if UNSCR 678 wasn't still in effect than why did the UN pass resolution 1441 stating that Iraq had to verify their disarmament to avoid facing military force as stipulated in 678?

Neither 678 or 1441 authorize the use of military force.

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~Iraq had been stalling since 1991 and in the months leading up to the 2003 invasion even Hans Blix said that Iraq's recent attempts at compliance were welcome but not enough.

~~Quote~~Iraq inquiry: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

"All in all, we carried out about 700 inspections at different 500 sites and, in no case, did we find any weapons of mass destruction."

He criticised decisions that led to the war, saying existing UN resolutions on Iraq did not contain the authority needed, contrary to the case put by the UK government.

"Some people maintain that Iraq was legal. I am of the firm view that it was an illegal war."

//http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10770239

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~Again, if the invasion was so illegal why hasn't the world court ruled on it and brought the Bush and Blair administrations up on charges of violation of international law??????

The International Court of Justice has no teeth. There's a long list of war criminals the World Court hasn't charged.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Renee on January 29, 2015, 04:34:09 PM

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~
~~Quote from: "Renee"~~No one said anything about nukes. The issue was and always had been chemical weapons and ballistic missile delivery systems.

"This is a man of great evil, as the President said. And he(Saddam) is actively pursuing nuclear weapons at this time." - Dick Cheney

"Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud." - George W. Bush

Amid questions about prewar intelligence, the White House is acknowledging that President Bush was incorrect when he said in his State of the Union address that Iraq recently had sought significant quantities of uranium in Africa.

//http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-admits-wmd-error/[/quote]

You said "making nukes". "Pursing" the means or material to make nukes is a different thing. What was being discussed was a possibility. A lot of the intell that we received was wrong but the overriding issue was chemical and biological weapons which everyone knew the Iraqis had. In fact stockpiles were eventually found, it's just that there shelf life was expired and most of it was rendered inert.

BTW, have you ever wondered where the chemical weapons came from that have been used in the Syrian civil war? It has been alleged for many years now that convoys of Iraqi trucks made their way to Syria just prior to the US invasion. What do you think they were carrying; Girl Scout cookies????? Persian rugs????? It is also alleged that after the first Gulf War Iraqi chemical and bio weapons were moved to places such as Pakistan and Syria with help from the Russians. Is any of this true; I don't know and we will probably never know but it's plausible.

Maybe you and your kind have forgotten that the Iraqi military had a penchant for using those chemical weapons whenever they felt like it. Ask any Kurd if the US invasion was unjustified. Or ask an Iranian that had a family member gassed during the Iran Iraq war if Saddam Hussein was a threat.

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~Okay dipshit, if UNSCR 678 wasn't still in effect than why did the UN pass resolution 1441 stating that Iraq had to verify their disarmament to avoid facing military force as stipulated in 678?

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~Neither 678 or 1441 authorize the use of military force.

Yes they did the language of "severe consequences" and "any means necessary" opened the door to military action. Get a clue. How do you think the UN authorized the first Gulf War? Read the resolutions and their amendments, FFS.

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~Iraq had been stalling since 1991 and in the months leading up to the 2003 invasion even Hans Blix said that Iraq's recent attempts at compliance were welcome but not enough.

~~Quote~~Iraq inquiry: Former UN inspector Blix says war illegal

"All in all, we carried out about 700 inspections at different 500 sites and, in no case, did we find any weapons of mass destruction."

He criticised decisions that led to the war, saying existing UN resolutions on Iraq did not contain the authority needed, contrary to the case put by the UK government.

"Some people maintain that Iraq was legal. I am of the firm view that it was an illegal war."

//http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10770239

What Blix stated was opinion. Opinion is not policy nor does it bestow legal authority or take it away. Why don't you try supporting your position with fact for a change?

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~Again, if the invasion was so illegal why hasn't the world court ruled on it and brought the Bush and Blair administrations up on charges of violation of international law??????

~~Quote from: "Romero"~~The International Court of Justice has no teeth. There's a long list of war criminals the World Court hasn't charged.

Nice cop out. Even if they have no teeth does that stop them from investigating and rendering a decision????

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Chris Patten on January 30, 2015, 11:59:59 AM

A whale and a fag arguing the Iraq invasion. ac_drinks ac_dance ac_drinks

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2015, 04:33:39 PM

~~Quote from: "Chris Patten"~~A whale and a fag arguing the Iraq invasion. ac_drinks ac_dance ac_drinks

What would you prefer they debate? Oaths? Chinese spies? Ball-bearing packed gloves?

Look dude, Canadian finances and the overall economy are taking a beating right now thanks to OPEC. Even Ontario's manufacturing is not doing well which blows holes into Mulcair's bullshit about "Dutch Disease".

We also have Islamist Canadians that hates and want us dead. You may find these trivial matters, but trust adults do not.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on January 30, 2015, 06:42:11 PM

JUst because someone is muslim doesn't mean that they can't change

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2015, 06:54:07 PM

~~Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"~~JUst because someone is muslim doesn't mean that they can't change

Aha, so you acknowledge that Islam is a problem that needs changing?

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Renee on January 30, 2015, 06:58:53 PM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote from: "Chris Patten"~~A whale and a fag arguing the Iraq invasion. ac_drinks ac_dance ac_drinks

What would you prefer they debate? Oaths? Chinese spies? Ball-bearing packed gloves?

Look dude, Canadian finances and the overall economy are taking a beating right now thanks to OPEC. Even Ontario's manufacturing is not doing well which blows holes into Mulcair's bullshit about "Dutch Disease".

We also have Islamist Canadians that hates and want us dead. You may find these trivial matters, but trust adults do not.

This "whale" doesn't know anything about Chinese spies so I couldn't debate that shit.

Thanks for sticking up for me, Shen. ac_toofunny

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 30, 2015, 07:04:12 PM

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~
~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote from: "Chris Patten"~~A whale and a fag arguing the Iraq invasion. ac_drinks ac_dance ac_drinks

What would you prefer they debate? Oaths? Chinese spies? Ball-bearing packed gloves?

Look dude, Canadian finances and the overall economy are taking a beating right now thanks to OPEC. Even Ontario's manufacturing is not doing well which blows holes into Mulcair's bullshit about "Dutch Disease".

We also have Islamist Canadians that hates and want us dead. You may find these trivial matters, but trust me adults do not.

This "whale" doesn't know anything about Chinese spies so I couldn't debate that shit.

Thanks for sticking up for me, Shen. ac_toofunny

I don't see you as needing my help especially against the likes of Oak. I'd rather listen to Romero's feminist screeching about Dalhousie than the repetitive, mind-numbing drivel Oak spews.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Gary Oak on January 30, 2015, 07:36:59 PM

Shen , you are a slutbag whore

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 31, 2015, 12:37:54 PM

~~Quote from: "Gary Oak"~~Shen , you are a slutbag whore

ac_rollseyes

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on January 31, 2015, 01:32:06 PM

~~Quote~~....... I'd rather listen to Romero's feminist screeching about Dalhousie than the repetitive, mind-numbing drivel Oak spews.
I gotta think about those 2 choices a bit ... it's not an instant decision for me

Can I have a 3rd choice?

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on January 31, 2015, 04:45:51 PM

~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~
~~Quote~~....... I'd rather listen to Romero's feminist screeching about Dalhousie than the repetitive, mind-numbing drivel Oak spews.
I gotta think about those 2 choices a bit ... it's not an instant decision for me

Can I have a 3rd choice?

Dive off a three story house head first into a rusty nail? ac_dunno

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Gary Oak on January 31, 2015, 10:52:28 PM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~
~~Quote~~....... I'd rather listen to Romero's feminist screeching about Dalhousie than the repetitive, mind-numbing drivel Oak spews.
I gotta think about those 2 choices a bit ... it's not an instant decision for me

Can I have a 3rd choice?

Dive off a three story house head first into a rusty nail? ac_dunno

That's less painful for a guy than fucking a slutbag ho like you without a dome. ac_drinks ac_cool ac_drinks

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on January 31, 2015, 11:10:19 PM

I repeat
~~Quote~~I gotta think about those 2 choices a bit ... it's not an instant decision for me

Can I have a 3rd choice?

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on February 01, 2015, 12:28:22 AM

~~Quote from: "Gary Oak"~~
~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~ I gotta think about those 2 choices a bit ... it's not an instant decision for me

Can I have a 3rd choice?

Dive off a three story house head first into a rusty nail? ac_dunno

That's less painful for a guy than fucking a slutbag ho like you without a dome. ac_drinks ac_cool ac_drinks

You are such a fucking charmer Oak. ac_deadhorse

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Hornung on February 01, 2015, 05:29:54 PM

~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~He never sticks to the important issue .... denies or diverts from it in fact ... or tries to run it off into the nether land

You said it ALL in one simple sentence
~~Quote~~Islam is the problem

and not acknowledging that fact is our problem.
There is NO more to the story

Nobody believe in a f*cked in the head scrum bag racist cyberbully like you cc li tarte.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on February 01, 2015, 07:45:51 PM

~~Quote from: "Hornung"~~
~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~He never sticks to the important issue .... denies or diverts from it in fact ... or tries to run it off into the nether land

You said it ALL in one simple sentence
~~Quote~~Islam is the problem

and not acknowledging that fact is our problem.
There is NO more to the story

Nobody believe in a f*cked in the head scrum bag racist cyberbully like you cc li tarte.

I do horny, I do. ac_dance

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on February 02, 2015, 11:41:30 AM

~~Quote from: "Hornung"~~
~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~He never sticks to the important issue .... denies or diverts from it in fact ... or tries to run it off into the nether land

You said it ALL in one simple sentence
~~Quote~~Islam is the problem

and not acknowledging that fact is our problem.
There is NO more to the story

Nobody believe in a f*cked in the head scrum bag racist cyberbully like you cc li tarte.
Aw. So I'm about to learn something

What race is the ideology (an entity) called islam?

I know of no other entity that is a race. - What race is it?

Don't let me down.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2015, 11:45:59 AM

~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~
~~Quote from: "Hornung"~~
~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~He never sticks to the important issue .... denies or diverts from it in fact ... or tries to run it off into the nether land

You said it ALL in one simple sentence There is NO more to the story

Nobody believe in a f*cked in the head scrum bag racist cyberbully like you cc li tarte.
Aw. So I'm about to learn something

What race is the ideology (an entity) called islam?

I know of no other entity that is a race. - What race is it?

Don't let me down.

It's the race that teases virgin posy pickers(or is that nose pickers)?

Remind you of anyone CC? That middle aged clown Kaylee 7 who fancied himself as a pre-teen girl and also a gay Islamo guy.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Renee on February 02, 2015, 11:54:06 AM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~
~~Quote from: "Hornung"~~
Nobody believe in a f*cked in the head scrum bag racist cyberbully like you cc li tarte.
Aw. So I'm about to learn something

What race is the ideology (an entity) called islam?

I know of no other entity that is a race. - What race is it?

Don't let me down.

It's the race that teases virgin posy pickers(or is that nose pickers)?

Remind you of anyone CC? That middle aged clown Kaylee 7 who fancied himself as a pre-teen girl and also a gay Islamo guy.

You mean the Audrey Hepburn impersonator? ac_lmfao

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2015, 12:25:39 PM

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~
~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~ Aw. So I'm about to learn something

What race is the ideology (an entity) called islam?

I know of no other entity that is a race. - What race is it?

Don't let me down.

It's the race that teases virgin posy pickers(or is that nose pickers)?

Remind you of anyone CC? That middle aged clown Kaylee 7 who fancied himself as a pre-teen girl and also a gay Islamo guy.

You mean the Audrey Hepburn impersonator? ac_lmfao

If I was CC, I would've sued his lying, unethical ass.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2015, 09:13:26 PM

~~Quote from: "Hornung"~~
~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~He never sticks to the important issue .... denies or diverts from it in fact ... or tries to run it off into the nether land

You said it ALL in one simple sentence
~~Quote~~Islam is the problem

and not acknowledging that fact is our problem.
There is NO more to the story

Nobody believe in a f*cked in the head scrum bag racist cyberbully like you cc li tarte.

ac_rollseyes

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on February 02, 2015, 11:33:48 PM

~~Quote from: "Renee"~~
~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~ Aw. So I'm about to learn something

What race is the ideology (an entity) called islam?

I know of no other entity that is a race. - What race is it?

Don't let me down.

It's the race that teases virgin posy pickers(or is that nose pickers)?

Remind you of anyone CC? That middle aged clown Kaylee 7 who fancied himself as a pre-teen girl and also a gay Islamo guy.

You mean the Audrey Hepburn impersonator? ac_lmfao

His best impersonation was and is as a slimy discussion board asshole.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on February 03, 2015, 11:35:59 AM

BREAKING: Man With Knife Attacks 3 French Military Personnel Who Were Guarding Jewish Community Center In Nice, France (//http)

The Nice Police Department told NBC News that a suspect has been arrested and that the attacker's motive is not yet known.

"Motive not yet known". ..... Let me guess...

Earlier Tuesday, France's interior ministry announced the arrest of eight suspects in Paris and Lyon as part of an investigation into an alleged terror cell helping jihadists in Syria. "These individuals are suspected of active participation in the recruitment of young French people in jihadism," it said in a statement.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on February 03, 2015, 12:52:11 PM

Quoting Zekko
~~Quote~~OP - islam = Death

jordanian pilot burned alive in cage

again and again and again

we see the truth about islam

no number of protests can deny that truth

cc: To all the excusers - It's islam stupid!!!

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2015, 01:12:05 PM

~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~Quoting Zekko
~~Quote~~OP - islam = Death

jordanian pilot burned alive in cage

again and again and again

we see the truth about islam

no number of protests can deny that truth

cc: To all the excusers - It's islam stupid!!!

CC,

Is that the same Jordanian pilot ISIS was holding and was going to behead along with the Japanese journalist they killed a few days ago?

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on February 03, 2015, 03:49:59 PM

~~Quote from: "Shen Li"~~
~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~Quoting Zekko
~~Quote~~OP - islam = Death

jordanian pilot burned alive in cage

again and again and again

we see the truth about islam

no number of protests can deny that truth

cc: To all the excusers - It's islam stupid!!!

CC,

Is that the same Jordanian pilot ISIS was holding and was going to behead along with the Japanese journalist they killed a few days ago?

It is the same pilot. He was killed January 3.

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on February 03, 2015, 06:07:43 PM

True. They actually tried to get ransom for him with no intention or ability to deliver

There are no limits ... none ... as to how far "true" islam will go to achieve its end ... end being supremacy

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: cc on February 03, 2015, 06:18:42 PM

(AFP) – Jordan will execute Wednesday an Iraqi would-be suicide bomber on death row and other jihadists after having vowed to http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/fe24ef0c32f859046c0f6a706700ba41-550x310.jpg[/img]

Title: Re: CC, Does Abdullah's Death Mean Change?
Post by: Anonymous on February 04, 2015, 09:07:27 AM

~~Quote from: "cc li tarte"~~Quoting Zekko
~~Quote~~OP - islam = Death

jordanian pilot burned alive in cage

again and again and again

we see the truth about islam

no number of protests can deny that truth

cc: To all the excusers - It's islam stupid!!!

I read about this cc li tarte.....how barbaric.

THeBlueCashew

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