A global financial crisis instigated by wall street criminals, stark evidence of a rapidly increasing corporate takeover of government, and an ever-widening disconnect between voters and the people allegedly representing them sparked movements within both the republican and democrat bases at roughly the same time: the Tea Party movement on the republican side and the Occupy Wall Street movement on the democrat side.
The republican party embraced their movement; adopting many of its policy demands, allowing Tea Party adherents to achieve power and influence within the party, and reforming the party itself to more closely reflect the popular will of their voters.
The democrat party ignored their voters as much as possible and if forced to respond did so by censoring, criminalizing, and vilifying their own base. Instead of enfolding and combining their movement's energy and ideas with the existing party platform they purged their ranks of "radicals" who dared agree with OWS's complaints and moved the party even farther to the right, politically.
The republican party listened to its voters and adapted itself to their needs.
The democrat party decided it would rather find new voters (disaffected republicans, mostly) to replace the ones it aggressively abandoned then bullshit the rest with performative gestures and blatant lies.
Republicans: "We're here to give people what they want as long as what they want doesn't interfere with oligarchs, the military industrial complex, or corporations. Vote for us!"
Democrats: "We're technically not republicans so shut the fuck up and vote for us you plebs."
So no, those two parties are not the same.
The democrats are much, much worse even judged solely on the putrescence of their depraved dishonesty.
theres a more profound issue with democrats.... (without judging) most of them don't accept the existence of a one true God.... without the understanding that there is a higher and perfect being, they feel like there needs to be an earthly "defender of all things good" and they have grabbed that moniker eagerly.... and being of that mindset, they feel "everything they want" is good and "everyone who opposes them is evil".... this has eroded their moral barrier and is why "leftist violence, corruption and degeneracy" is so easily acceptable for them....
I had no use for either party before Trump came along. I thought Obama was going to be the change president but he was a continuation of the assault on the working class. He added identity politics in so that people who work with their hands are fighting among themselves instead of globalist elites.
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 11:39:28 AMI had no use for either party before Trump came along.
i was raised conservative and taught to "vote my values".... and more importantly NOT to vote if my "values weren't on the ballot".... i've never been afforded the opportunity to vote based on that mantra.... yet i've been forced to endure one clown president after the other.... trump was actually a breath of fresh air for me.... even though i haven't and never will "vote" for him, he has restored my dying faith in america....
Quote from: deadskinmask on October 25, 2025, 11:46:51 AMi was raised conservative and taught to "vote my values".... and more importantly NOT to vote if my "values weren't on the ballot".... i've never been afforded the opportunity to vote based on that mantra.... yet i've been forced to endure one clown president after the other.... trump was actually a breath of fresh air for me.... even though i haven't and never will "vote" for him, he has restored my dying faith in america....
I hear you. I haven't seen any president before Trump that wasn't an establishment robot.
It is the same in Canada.
I hope the Republicans do not go back to the elitist perty they were after Trump retires. They have to remain a working class alternative to the globalist Deomcrats or voters like yourself might stay home on election days.
The Democrats first priority right now is the private money building a ballroom on the white house.
Democrats are more concerned with President Trump's historic beautification of the White House than they are for American citizens who are hurting because of their reckless government shutdown.
The Democrats want to use taxpayer money to investigate a privately funded renovation project.
And why is this is such a concern now? Why not back in July when it was all made public? Could it be because back then, they weren't getting hammered over their shutdown. They desperately need a distraction.
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 11:51:57 AMThey have to remain a working class alternative the globalist Deomcrats or voters like yourself might stay home on election days.
i don't think republicans will ever have to worry about "apathy" again....
Quote from: deadskinmask on October 25, 2025, 11:58:04 AMi don't think republicans will ever have to worry about "apathy" again....
I hope you are right. But circumatances can change.
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 12:03:13 PMI hope you are right. But circumatances can change.
they can and more than likely might.... for one thing, we're getting alot more black voters.... i think having more black representatives would be a net positive.... i hope we steer clear of having ratchets like that crokett bitch though.... and another thing is we're gaining with legal mexicans.... all of my friends are legal and they want illegals all the way out.... if we focused on "election integrity", democrats would go extinct overnight....
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 11:39:28 AMI had no use for either party before Trump came along. I thought Obama was going to be the change president but he was a continuation of the assault on the working class. He added identity politics in so that people who work with their hands are fighting among themselves instead of globalist elites.
When it comes to racism America is far from perfect but we were on a pretty good trajectory towards racial harmony until that race hustling fuck face and his man wife came along.
America voted in a Black president. TWICE. and these morons are STILL trying to sell the idea that America is systemically racist to it's core.
ONE black man in may 2020 dies at the hands of a white police officer and there is national outrage despite the fact that this man was held to account for his actions
meanwhile, during that same month there were 85 black on black homicides in just ONE CITY. Chicago. and these rodents had NOTHING To say.
Quote from: deadskinmask on October 25, 2025, 12:09:55 PMthey can and more than likely might.... for one thing, we're getting alot more black voters.... i think having more black representatives would be a net positive.... i hope we steer clear of having ratchets like that crokett bitch though.... and another thing is we're gaining with legal mexicans.... all of my friends are legal and they want illegals all the way out.... if we focused on "election integrity", democrats would go extinct overnight....
I liked seeing Blacks leaving the Democratic plantation as Candace Owens calls it. Legal Mexican too. :good:
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on October 25, 2025, 12:14:18 PMWhen it comes to racism America is far from perfect but we were on a pretty good trajectory towards racial harmony until that race hustling fuck face and his man wife came along.
America voted in a Black president. TWICE. and these morons are STILL trying to sell the idea that America is systemically racist to it's core.
ONE black man in may 2020 dies at the hands of a white police officer and there is national outrage despite the fact that this man was held to account for his actions
meanwhile, during that same month there were 85 black on black homicides in just ONE CITY. Chicago. and these rodents had NOTHING To say.
All the racial harmony gains before Obama were reversed. It was like a someone recovering from a wound with stitches and Obama ripped them out before they could fully heal.
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 12:17:06 PMAll the racial harmony gains before Obama were reversed. It was like a someone recovering from a wound with stitches and Obama ripped them out before they could fully heal.
and why?
Racial divide is both profitable and beneficial to the hustlers and their breeders
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 12:14:39 PMI liked seeing Blacks leaving the Democratic plantation as Candace Owens calls it. Legal Mexican too. :good:
if we can repeal the 19th amendment and get parasites out of the voting system, i would be over the moon.... no representation without taxation.... :crampe:
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on October 25, 2025, 12:18:19 PMand why?
Racial divide is both profitable and beneficial to the hustlers and their breeders
The Democratic party needs racial division. Without it they would be extinct.
Quote from: deadskinmask on October 25, 2025, 12:22:04 PMif we can repeal the 19th amendment and get parasites out of the voting system, i would be over the moon.... no representation without taxation.... :crampe:
I am not an American. I do not have all your constitutional amendments memorized.
That is the one granting women the right to vote. I agree for Crockett and Elizabeth Warren and AOC. But, it is offset with Candace and Marjorie Taylor Greene voting.
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 12:22:45 PMThe Democratic party needs racial division. Without it they would be extinct.
Democrats only thrive when there is desperation, hopelessness, chaos and disorder because their only platform is "we can fix what the other guy broke"
but then have ZERO answers as to why Baltimore, chicago and baltimore are such shitholes despite DECADES of uninterrupted democrat control from the Governors office down to the fucking lunch lady at the local school district.
There was a point in time when, for these three cities, democrats had COMPLETE control to effect change from the federal government on down and what did they do for the Americans in these cities? absolutely nothing!
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 12:26:26 PMI am not an American. I do not have all your constitutional amendments memorized.
That is the one granting women the right to vote. I agree for Crockett and Elizabeth Warren and AOC. But, it is offset with Candace and Marjorie Taylor Greene voting.
the 19th cover everybody.... and it would be a net positive.... i'm not against women voting though.... i'm just against parasites that don't contribute having a say on how things are ran.... especially the welfare/ebt crew....
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 12:26:26 PMI am not an American. I do not have all your constitutional amendments memorized.
That is the one granting women the right to vote. I agree for Crockett and Elizabeth Warren and AOC. But, it is offset with Candace and Marjorie Taylor Greene voting.
It's actually the 24th amendment that is more closely aligned with what deadskin is looking to accomplish
but even that one is not an apples to apples scenario.
but yes, something needs to be done about people who have a vested interest in voting in favor of a personal free ride. A system where people are voting based solely upon the idea of free handouts is unsustainable long term.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on October 25, 2025, 12:31:56 PMIt's actually the 24th amendment that is more closely aligned with what deadskin is looking to accomplish
but even that one is not an apples to apples scenario.
but yes, something needs to be done about people who have a vested interest in voting in favor of a personal free ride. A system where people are voting based solely upon the idea of free handouts is unsustainable long term.
Quoteprohibited the federal and state governments from imposing poll taxes before a citizen could participate in a federal election. It was proposed by the U.S. Congress on August 27, 1962, and was ratified by the states on January 23, 1964.
You are saying that the reverse is also true. If somebody does not pay tax they should not have the right to vote.
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 12:36:27 PMYou are saying that the reverse is also true. If somebody does not pay tax they should not have the right to vote.
with the exception of retirees who can demonstrate a life of paying taxes? No. Anyone on public assistance not paying taxes should be denied the right to vote. no other exceptions
an iq test and a civics test would suffice....
Quote from: deadskinmask on October 25, 2025, 12:38:25 PMan iq test and a civics test would suffice....
Imagine what leadership would look like if we set the bar as follows
1) IQ of 125 or greater
2) A test of societal awareness and knowledge of how government functions
3) Tax paying citizens only
there would never been another democrat president again!
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on October 25, 2025, 12:38:07 PMwith the exception of retirees who can demonstrate a life of paying taxes? No. Anyone on public assistance not paying taxes should be denied the right to vote. no other exceptions
I read the British Labour party either did lower the voting age to sixteen or is planning on introducing legislation to do that. Kids living with their parents deciding how money they did not earn will be spent.
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 12:41:18 PMI read the British Labour party either did lower the voting age to sixteen or is planning on introducing legislation to do that. Kids living with their parents deciding how money they did not earn will be spent.
Of course they want tiktok and snapchat bunnies voting. They obtain their thinking functions off those two platforms. Not reality.
but the U.K is hopeless and beyond redemption at this point. Best to leave them to their self destruction at this point.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on October 25, 2025, 12:40:33 PMImagine what leadership would look like if we set the bar as follows
1) IQ of 125 or greater
2) A test of societal awareness and knowledge of how government functions
3) Tax paying citizens only
there would never been another democrat president again!
clean voter rolls and id requirements in all 50 states.... there would be no blue....
Quote from: deadskinmask on October 25, 2025, 12:44:52 PMclean voter rolls and id requirements in all 50 states.... there would be no blue....
oh forget it. Forcing citizen requirements and full integrity at voting booths?
maaaaaaan..... the demoncratic party would be nothing but a distant memory
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on October 25, 2025, 12:50:32 PMoh forget it. Forcing citizen requirements and full integrity at voting booths?
maaaaaaan..... the demoncratic party would be nothing but a distant memory
i know. right? its shocking that ppl who "love democracy" fight so hard against actual "democracy".... :crampe:
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on October 25, 2025, 12:40:33 PMImagine what leadership would look like if we set the bar as follows
1) IQ of 125 or greater
2) A test of societal awareness and knowledge of how government functions
3) Tax paying citizens only
there would never been another democrat president again!
My Jo Jo would never vote again.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on October 25, 2025, 12:40:33 PMImagine what leadership would look like if we set the bar as follows
1) IQ of 125 or greater
2) A test of societal awareness and knowledge of how government functions
3) Tax paying citizens only
there would never been another democrat president again!
^^^ Post of the month! :drunk2:
Quote from: Thiel on October 25, 2025, 01:11:59 PMMy Jo Jo would never vote again.
In that case it is an excellent idea.
Quote from: Brent on October 25, 2025, 12:41:18 PMI read the British Labour party either did lower the voting age to sixteen or is planning on introducing legislation to do that. Kids living with their parents deciding how money they did not earn will be spent.
Why not fourteen. How about ten year olds.
The British Labour party is nuts.
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on October 25, 2025, 12:40:33 PMImagine what leadership would look like if we set the bar as follows
1) IQ of 125 or greater
2) A test of societal awareness and knowledge of how government functions
3) Tax paying citizens only
there would never been another democrat president again!
Universal suffrage is madness.
Quote from: deadskinmask on October 25, 2025, 11:31:59 AMtheres a more profound issue with democrats.... (without judging) most of them don't accept the existence of a one true God.... without the understanding that there is a higher and perfect being, they feel like there needs to be an earthly "defender of all things good" and they have grabbed that moniker eagerly.... and being of that mindset, they feel "everything they want" is good and "everyone who opposes them is evil".... this has eroded their moral barrier and is why "leftist violence, corruption and degeneracy" is so easily acceptable for them....
I don't accept your superstitions either. However, I hate libtards. Especially white ones. They are a cancer on mankind.
Quote from: Shen Li on October 25, 2025, 09:02:10 PMI don't accept your superstitions either. However, I hate libtards. Especially white ones. They are a cancer on mankind.
just like "not all black ppl are criminals", not all democrats are atheist or satanic.... and not all "christians" are conservative.... i'm just saying that its more often than not.... you can find outliers in any demographic....
Quote from: Biggie Smiles on October 25, 2025, 12:43:01 PMOf course they want tiktok and snapchat bunnies voting. They obtain their thinking functions off those two platforms. Not reality.
but the U.K is hopeless and beyond redemption at this point. Best to leave them to their self destruction at this point.
Canada and Britain are in a race to see which country can self destruct first.
Both parties sold out their country.From Richard Nixon's handshake to Joe Biden's appeasement, US leaders empowered Beijing's rise. Donald Trump's tariffs and truth-telling have finally broken the illusion.
Americans voted for Trump among other reasons, to defend them from China and a predatory U.S. ruling class whose ties to the Chinese Communist Party had become the source of its wealth, power, and prestige. Trump had identified the problem decades before his 2016 run for president.
"Though we have the upper hand, we're way too eager to please the Chinese," he wrote in his 2000 book "The America We Deserve." The book continues:
QuoteWe see them as a potential market, and we tend to curry favor with them even at the expense of our own national interests. Our China policy under Presidents Clinton and [George H. W.] Bush has been aimed at changing the Chinese regime by incentives both economic and political. The intention has been good, but it's clear to me that the Chinese have been getting far too easy a ride.
Trump is a genius.