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Co-pilot Andreas Lubitz's "intention (was) to destroy this plane,'' Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said, laying out the horrifying conclusions reached by French aviation investigators after listening to the last minutes of Tuesday's Flight 9525.
The Airbus A320 was flying from Barcelona to Duesseldorf when it began to descend from cruising altitude of 38,000 feet after losing radio contact with air traffic controllers. All 150 on board died when the plane slammed into the mountain.
Robin said the pilot, who has not been identified, left the cockpit, presumably to go to the lavatory, and then was unable to regain access. In the meantime, Lubitz, a 28-year-old German, manually set the plane on the descent that drove it into the mountain.
Robin said the commander of the plane knocked several times "without response.'' He said the door could only be blocked manually.
"The most plausible, the most probably, is that the co-pilot voluntarily refused to open the door of the cockpit for the captain and pressed the button for the descent,'' Robin said.
//http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/03/24/germanwings-crash-southern-france_n_6929996.html?utm_hp_ref=canada
How crazy that the most dangerous person on a plane would be one of the pilots. We still don't know if last year's mystery flights were intentional.
Sad news, and sorry to the families for their losses.
Must be hard.
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Co-pilot Andreas Lubitz's "intention (was) to destroy this plane,'' Marseille prosecutor Brice Robin said, laying out the horrifying conclusions reached by French aviation investigators after listening to the last minutes of Tuesday's Flight 9525.
The Airbus A320 was flying from Barcelona to Duesseldorf when it began to descend from cruising altitude of 38,000 feet after losing radio contact with air traffic controllers. All 150 on board died when the plane slammed into the mountain.
Robin said the pilot, who has not been identified, left the cockpit, presumably to go to the lavatory, and then was unable to regain access. In the meantime, Lubitz, a 28-year-old German, manually set the plane on the descent that drove it into the mountain.
Robin said the commander of the plane knocked several times "without response.'' He said the door could only be blocked manually.
"The most plausible, the most probably, is that the co-pilot voluntarily refused to open the door of the cockpit for the captain and pressed the button for the descent,'' Robin said.
//http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/03/24/germanwings-crash-southern-france_n_6929996.html?utm_hp_ref=canada
How crazy that the most dangerous person on a plane would be one of the pilots. We still don't know if last year's mystery flights were intentional.
I was watching the news yesterday when I saw this..
That is frightening..
My husband thinks the most logical reason for the disappearance of last year's missing Malaysian Air flight was murder/suicide.
I think so too. But since we know almost nothing about that one, it's crazy how even conspiracy theories can't be ruled out. In this day of high technology, it's hard to believe we've encountered some of the biggest mysteries since Amelia Earhart.
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If anyone here knows anything about aviation technology, could you please explain how the Malaysian airliner disappeared?
The experts are only fairly sure the plane ended up flying south into the Indian Ocean, maybe flew for a while, and likely crashed into the water. Everything else has been purely speculation as there's no other evidence.
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Romero, my husband and I watched an airline pilot suggest it could be in Russia.
ac_wot
He's probably wrong, but it is surprising that technology today cannot pin point exactly where it crashed.
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Opie, the co pilot had to take a break a few years ago for depression/anxiety. Just recently, he was dumped by a girl he was engaged to.
There is the trigger.
Suicidal people generally don't "take out" others willingly, but they will if they have to, as 'collateral damage,' if you will. No different than death by cop, or death by big rig. Although rare, it does happen, and innocents can potentially be lost in the process.
Although it is early on in the investigation, I believe this crash could be just this simple...
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That is what puzzles my husband and I..
Even with modern technology, jets can disappear.
ac_wot
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A pilot can turn off the transponder.
Once this happens, only ground based radar can detect an aircraft. Radar has limitations, especially if you're flying over the sea. Earths curvature, and other things, limits Radar tracking.
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A pilot can turn off the transponder.
Once this happens, only ground based radar can detect an aircraft. Radar has limitations, especially if you're flying over the sea. Earths curvature, and other things, limits Radar tracking.
There is no back up system if that happens?
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None.
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None.
That is surprising.
ac_huh
It's almost like, say, the GPS system in your phone, or in your car. There are ways you can disable that feature. Pilots can do the same, if they want to. At least on most planes that I'm aware of...
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I thought jets would have more that that.
That all they have! A transponder, which can usually be disabled by pilots, and then ground based radar, which would be what the flight control tower uses to 'see' if there is no transponder active...
Now, with a transponder active, many airports actually land planes without any pilot input! It's automatic! A Pilot doesn't even have to land the plane! Ground based radar could never do this, even if it was somehow 'interconnected.'
I state this only because, perhaps this is a reason why Pilots are given the option of switching the transponder off, if in case there is any fault with that system interfering with other systems.
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Does the plane have to be within a radius of the flight control tower to see if the transponder is active?
Plane transponders are picked up by secondary radar which doesn't have to be near the control tower. But they have to be on land and they have a range of about only 300km, so that can leave some big blind spots when the plane is over the ocean.
Well, it looks like the co-pilot was hiding an illness and may have been suicidal.
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The evidence came from searches of Lubitz's homes in two German cities as authorities sought an explanation of why he locked himself into the cockpit and crashed the Airbus A320 into the French Alps, killing all 150 people on board.
Torn-up sick notes for the day of the crash "support the current preliminary assessment that the deceased hid his illness from his employer and colleagues," Duesseldorf prosecutors' office spokesman Ralf Herrenbrueck said Friday. Such sick notes from doctors excusing employees from work are common in Germany, even for minor illnesses.
Prosecutors didn't say what type of illness - mental or physical - Lubitz may have been suffering from. German media reported Friday that the 27-year-old had suffered from depression.
A Duesseldorf hospital confirmed Friday that Lubitz had been a patient there over the past two months. Duesseldorf University Hospital said he last came to the hospital for a "diagnostic evaluation" on March 10. It declined to provide details of his condition but denied reports that it had treated Lubitz for depression.
Herrenbrueck said the medical documents found indicated "an existing illness and appropriate medical treatment" but no suicide note was found. He added there was no indication of any political or religious motivation for Lubitz's actions.
//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/andreas-lubitz-suicide_n_6954098.html
Apparently in previous medical, psychological and training tests getting his license, there were no signs of any problems.
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Well, it looks like the co-pilot was hiding an illness and may have been suicidal.
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The evidence came from searches of Lubitz's homes in two German cities as authorities sought an explanation of why he locked himself into the cockpit and crashed the Airbus A320 into the French Alps, killing all 150 people on board.
Torn-up sick notes for the day of the crash "support the current preliminary assessment that the deceased hid his illness from his employer and colleagues," Duesseldorf prosecutors' office spokesman Ralf Herrenbrueck said Friday. Such sick notes from doctors excusing employees from work are common in Germany, even for minor illnesses.
Prosecutors didn't say what type of illness - mental or physical - Lubitz may have been suffering from. German media reported Friday that the 27-year-old had suffered from depression.
A Duesseldorf hospital confirmed Friday that Lubitz had been a patient there over the past two months. Duesseldorf University Hospital said he last came to the hospital for a "diagnostic evaluation" on March 10. It declined to provide details of his condition but denied reports that it had treated Lubitz for depression.
Herrenbrueck said the medical documents found indicated "an existing illness and appropriate medical treatment" but no suicide note was found. He added there was no indication of any political or religious motivation for Lubitz's actions.
//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/andreas-lubitz-suicide_n_6954098.html
Apparently in previous medical, psychological and training tests getting his license, there were no signs of any problems.
Oh my, that is terrible Romero.
Now they're suggesting that it may be useful to remote control a plane from the control tower and also to put a camera in the cockpit to monitor activity. Tweaking the system.
I don't know that I feel safe with the notion of a remote controlled plane. They'll hijack the control tower!
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I don't know that I feel safe with the notion of a remote controlled plane. They'll hijack the control tower!
I bought a remote controlled airplane for my son and husband..
They love it.
ac_toofunny
I was on a bus last year and the driver was on his cell phone. He was very visibly upset and arguing with what seemed like his girlfriend. The conversation was about her dumping him and he was pleading with her to take him back while he got angrier and angrier. He was driving erratically and I thought he would crash or hit someone. I was only going a few stops but I did report it, I don't know what became of it. When something like being dumped, emotions can go all screwy at that moment. It's very scary.
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I don't know that I feel safe with the notion of a remote controlled plane. They'll hijack the control tower!
I bought a remote controlled airplane for my son and husband..
They love it.
ac_toofunny
I bought my son a remote controlled little helicopter years ago. His best friend came over the next day and flew it under his bed and broke it. ac_crying My son wasn't very upset because he was happy his best friend got to at least play with it. ac_toofunny
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I already stated that in this thread, and that his girlfriend had recently dumped him also, which most likely was the trigger.
Of course it was a trigger. But he failed to realize that with time things do get better and that he CAN move on and find happiness again. It's too bad he had to take out so many innocent people.
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It is too bad. They could've simply been 'collateral damage,' or maybe in his own mind a way of 'getting back' at the world that had wronged him.
So maybe the dude was sick, passed out, fell on the controls, and with his last conscious thought tries to toggle the cockpit door switch to unlock so the captain can get back in, but in a tragic mistake toggles it to lock instead?
possible? I think so. They could hear him breathing, but he didn't say a word or make a sound. That seems odd. You'd have to have a serious mental issue to be that cold. At the very least, his breathing would have come heavier and faster as the mountain side approached and the adrenaline kicked in. Maybe the media is demonizing this chap and all he's guilty of is passing out at the wheel during a tense moment.
Apparently the autopilot was manually set to descend to 100 feet (the lowest setting)...
How the f do you not know how to toggle open a door?
Clearly this was an act of suicide.
And perhaps a tragedy like this can open the door to address a bigger problem... If this pilot had been open, and had asked for help, he would probably never fly again.
Same with many other jobs. Any issues with mental health, etc., and you are essentially as good as terminated unless you hide it.
Now, these problems can hit anyone. I don't care who you are. A labourer. A pilot. A cop. An actor.
The problem is, mental health issues are still stigmatized, and employers don't want to, and don't have to, bother with you. So, people just "hide" it. Something to think about...
Vivek has issues with quinoa.
He's a bad man, known the world over.
Blue stabbed a guy to death. Vivek merely beat them to a bloody pulp. Why the fuck aren't these maniacs in jail.? This is a violent bloody forum. It is an absolute bloody horror...
They seem to harbour psychopaths and malcontents here.
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It is too bad. They could've simply been 'collateral damage,' or maybe in his own mind a way of 'getting back' at the world that had wronged him.
Good thing you drive a rolling bucket full of dirt and not a bus, eh Mel. ac_rollseyes .
We are not discussing me here, Renee. We are discussing a pilot that did a terrible thing...
I can end things quite easily without collateral damage, should I desire to do so.
A former dementia addled cop , a red neck psychopath and an Indian terrorist. This forum is ripe for CSIS picking. As bad as Vivek is, these folk are beyond the pale. In reality, Vivek did do 29 years behind bars -The ape served his time.
In his last Topix post, he simply complained about 'slanderjacking!'
I told him to stop whining... Where is he now? Probably in the Broward County holding cells!
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If you dont like it here Richard Kuklinski, i suggest you post on VF. :howdy:
It is best that he is behind bars.
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I can end things quite easily without collateral damage, should I desire to do so.
Oh we aren't discussing you? That's funny this must be a first.
Well give it time. Eventually it will end up being all about you, it always does.
Have you contributed anything to this plane crash thread, or are you just in here to hit on me?
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It is too bad. They could've simply been 'collateral damage,' or maybe in his own mind a way of 'getting back' at the world that had wronged him.
Good thing you drive a rolling bucket full of dirt and not a bus, eh Mel. ac_rollseyes .
Ohmygawd I literally laughed out loud ac_toofunny
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If you dont like it here Richard Kuklinski, i suggest you post on VF. :howdy:
I second that ^ Richard, you're a "debbie downer"
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I see you are easily amused, Annie! A simpleton?
Drink piss, as it is your drink of choice. Hell will come to you and it won't be from me. I am not the harbinger of death you seek. I am merely an a resultant agent of mis-thought and ill-planned decisions.
Eat pizza and be well...
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I see you are easily amused, Annie! A simpleton?
Yes, I just may be, but that means it's easy to make me happy ac_smile
Wow, someone is trying to channel Oscar. Too bad they're not doing a very good job of it. Oscar is less verbose and more coherent.
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Good. You have all the hallmarks of a "good girl."
Don't ruin that for yourself.
Oh hell, a good girl I am not! acc_angry
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You are! A good wife.
Thank you, see it's that not hard to be nice ac_drinks
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Meh,
You are fat and will die of heart disease before the average life American expectancy.
It is very hard to breath when you have heart disease.
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"flick" hes nice
"flick" hes a dick head
"flick" hes drunk
"flick" nice again.
ac_dunno
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"flick" hes nice
"flick" hes a dick head
"flick" hes drunk
"flick" nice again.
ac_dunno
Ohmy fn gawwd I laughed out loud..oh christ I'm still laughing you funny boy lolololol
And sadly though, you're right ac_huh but I'm still laughing your comment omygawwd hahahaha
- pornographic, disgusting or gore contents or discussions or links to respective contents or discussions,
Say what....
huh?
You...
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Meh,
You are fat and will die of heart disease before the average life American expectancy.
It is very hard to breath when you have heart disease.
How's the coloring college going, Eddie?
Get any gold stars for staying in the lines today?
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She needs discipline. Multiple spankings...
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Meh,
You are fat and will die of heart disease before the average life American expectancy.
It is very hard to breath when you have heart disease.
How's the coloring college going, Eddie?
Get any gold stars for staying in the lines today?
I actually had SOME respect for you....
You are as dumb as the rest...
My game is my game...
It's too bad that she became what she is...
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Meh,
You are fat and will die of heart disease before the average life American expectancy.
It is very hard to breath when you have heart disease.
How's the coloring college going, Eddie?
Get any gold stars for staying in the lines today?
I actually had SOME respect for you....
You are as dumb as the rest...
My game is my game...
Toddle on back to mommy, Eddie. She likes little psychopath stalkers living in her house. No room for you here.
(edit) put the phone down, Renee.
I dunno but Salty Dog sounds a lot like Mel/Ace/Luckynumber8 and a bunch of others I can't recal right now, just sayin
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You don't worry about things like that...
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Yeah! You know, in that highschool photo you actually have a pretty face!
HOW FUCKING THICK ARE YOU ALL?
I AM VIVEK GOL-FUCKING-ARI
???? okaaay
Look, I'm trying to help k You've been going down hill for a while.
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You give me a kiss, now!
No! You be nice!
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I will! Now you! Kiss me like those Wops do! On the cheek!
Now!
Romero started an interesting thread, but it has taken a silly turn.
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I agree!