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Quote from: "gbb"Oliver the Great:

Quote from: "gbb"Oliver the Great:

Quote from: "asal"american apparel is an affordable solution:



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If you're dirt poor, Shen, wait for their sales.  I just got a whack of clothes at $2-$3 each.  Dark blue leggings $3, (some more leggings in grey, and that orangey melony colour, some other colours also I don't remember - all at $3), some wife beaters $2, a winter coat for $23 (normally $270), a light jackasset for $3, a leather bag for $3 (serious), (I ordered a bag for $17 but they couldn't source it ... I really wanted that one).  I am majorly thrilled with that haul.  They have really good sales, every once in a while.  Normal price is fine also.

Quote from: "RW"There's a lot of fact in what John Oliver presents, so it's not just his opinion.

Quote from: "asal"Fash, I'll tell you my real opinion because this is an online forum with some distance.  I feel better buying from companies that pay their employees decently.  I'm not wealthy.  I'm not an entertainer.  Food shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost (employees are paid dirt, there can be environmental and inhumane penalties).  Clothes shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost beyond money.  I don't always remember to do the right thing.  I buy american apparel online (not that that's the only option, but just one example).

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "RW"There's a lot of fact in what John Oliver presents, so it's not just his opinion.

In this case a lot of what he is presenting is fact. But most of his rants that I've seen start as a presentation of fact and then very quickly turn into political agenda. It doesn't matter what the issue is, you know immediately which direction he is going to take in his commentary. Most of it is pablum from the political left, masquerading as wit and if I might add, completely uninspired and forgettable.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "asal"Fash, I'll tell you my real opinion because this is an online forum with some distance.  I feel better buying from companies that pay their employees decently.  I'm not wealthy.  I'm not an entertainer.  Food shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost (employees are paid dirt, there can be environmental and inhumane penalties).  Clothes shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost beyond money.  I don't always remember to do the right thing.  I buy american apparel online (not that that's the only option, but just one example).

I will tell my opinion asal..



Cheap food, cheap clothing, cheap manufactured goods has lifted hundreds of millions of people around the world out of poverty..



My home country Taiwan, is now fully democratic and affluent and it began with cheap manufactures..



Flat screen TV's, pc's, tablets, camera's, smart phones are available to lower income Westerners because of low cost manufacturing..



It's been good for developing economies and good for working class consumers in the West like my family..



A win win formula..



John Oliver seems out of touch with reality like so many rich entertainers.

Quote from: "asal"Fash, I'll tell you my real opinion because this is an online forum with some distance.  I feel better buying from companies that pay their employees decently.  I'm not wealthy.  I'm not an entertainer.  Food shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost (employees are paid dirt, there can be environmental and inhumane penalties).  Clothes shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost beyond money.  I don't always remember to do the right thing.  I buy american apparel online (not that that's the only option, but just one example).

Quote from: "RW"And when they pack up for cheaper pastures Shen?  Then what?

Quote from: "RW"So what will happen to everyone working in said factories once it's all said and done?

Quote from: "RW"3 D = cost = corps going to places where people have fewer standards.

Quote from: "RW"3 D = cost = corps going to places where people have fewer standards.

Quote from: "Romero"Nothing wrong with buying cheap clothes and not caring about boycotts, but I think it's important to understand that so many are working under terrible conditions.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "asal"Fash, I'll tell you my real opinion because this is an online forum with some distance.  I feel better buying from companies that pay their employees decently.  I'm not wealthy.  I'm not an entertainer.  Food shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost (employees are paid dirt, there can be environmental and inhumane penalties).  Clothes shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost beyond money.  I don't always remember to do the right thing.  I buy american apparel online (not that that's the only option, but just one example).

I will tell my opinion asal..



Cheap food, cheap clothing, cheap manufactured goods has lifted hundreds of millions of people around the world out of poverty..



My home country Taiwan, is now fully democratic and affluent and it began with cheap manufactures..



Flat screen TV's, pc's, tablets, camera's, smart phones are available to lower income Westerners because of low cost manufacturing..



It's been good for developing economies and good for working class consumers in the West like my family..



A win win formula..



John Oliver seems out of touch with reality like so many rich entertainers.

Quote It's been good for developing economies and good for working class consumers in the West like my family.

Quote Cheap food, cheap clothing, cheap manufactured goods has lifted hundreds of millions of people around the world out of poverty.  My home country Taiwan, is now fully democratic and affluent and it began with cheap manufactures.

Quote Flat screen TV's, pc's, tablets, camera's, smart phones are available to lower income Westerners because of low cost manufacturing.

QuoteJohn Oliver seems out of touch with reality like so many rich entertainers.

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "asal"Fash, I'll tell you my real opinion because this is an online forum with some distance.  I feel better buying from companies that pay their employees decently.  I'm not wealthy.  I'm not an entertainer.  Food shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost (employees are paid dirt, there can be environmental and inhumane penalties).  Clothes shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost beyond money.  I don't always remember to do the right thing.  I buy american apparel online (not that that's the only option, but just one example).

Oh ffs asal, no garment maker pays people a decent wage. It's like retail or janitorial work, it's a garbage job everywhere on the planet.



John Oliver is an ignorant hypocritical moron and intolerant of differing paths to development as Fash pointed out. Food, clothing, durable goods are much better off being cheap. Globalization and trade has meant a lot of people in the country of my birth are no longer hungry. Low cost manufacturing means people in my country of birth have an income. Low cost electronics  means illiteracy has just about been wiped out in my country. Cheap food, affordable clothing, low cost manufacturing as a result of globalization means people in my country have much longer life expectancies, lower infant mortality rates are better educated and have become consumers just like Westerners.



I'm sorry, but the kind the kind of elitism and stupidity that John Oliver spews is the most vile form of racism. He has zero tolerance for different cultures paths to the good life. As our former great leader Deng Xiao Ping used to say, it doesn't matter what colour the cat is as long as it catches mice.



BTW, AA DOES buy product from the third world countries and that WILL increase in the future. I'm afraid you have been duped if you buy Charney's BS claims.

Quoteno garment maker pays people a decent wage. It's like retail or janitorial work, it's a garbage job everywhere on the planet.

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "Romero"Nothing wrong with buying cheap clothes and not caring about boycotts, but I think it's important to understand that so many are working under terrible conditions.

What conditions were they working under before the plants moved into developing countries?

QuoteFor working class consumers – it's unnecessary.  We can buy the same goods – often at the same price, most would argue that more expensively produced goods are more expensive – my argument is that it is affordable to me, and often competitively priced.  

QuoteI also think the cost of goods should be higher to reflect all true costs (environmental, human, governmental).  I'm not comfortable with electronics being priced so low – I appreciate it

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "Romero"Nothing wrong with buying cheap clothes and not caring about boycotts, but I think it's important to understand that so many are working under terrible conditions.

What conditions were they working under before the plants moved into developing countries?

It doesn't matter what their conditions were before. Nobody should have to work under terrible conditions. When that garment factory collapsed in Bangladesh, I don't think it's too much to ask that workers shouldn't have to work in buildings that are going to collapse on them.

Quote from: "asal"

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "asal"Fash, I'll tell you my real opinion because this is an online forum with some distance.  I feel better buying from companies that pay their employees decently.  I'm not wealthy.  I'm not an entertainer.  Food shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost (employees are paid dirt, there can be environmental and inhumane penalties).  Clothes shouldn't be dirt cheap - it comes at a cost beyond money.  I don't always remember to do the right thing.  I buy american apparel online (not that that's the only option, but just one example).

Oh ffs asal, no garment maker pays people a decent wage. It's like retail or janitorial work, it's a garbage job everywhere on the planet.



John Oliver is an ignorant hypocritical moron and intolerant of differing paths to development as Fash pointed out. Food, clothing, durable goods are much better off being cheap. Globalization and trade has meant a lot of people in the country of my birth are no longer hungry. Low cost manufacturing means people in my country of birth have an income. Low cost electronics  means illiteracy has just about been wiped out in my country. Cheap food, affordable clothing, low cost manufacturing as a result of globalization means people in my country have much longer life expectancies, lower infant mortality rates are better educated and have become consumers just like Westerners.



I'm sorry, but the kind the kind of elitism and stupidity that John Oliver spews is the most vile form of racism. He has zero tolerance for different cultures paths to the good life. As our former great leader Deng Xiao Ping used to say, it doesn't matter what colour the cat is as long as it catches mice.



BTW, AA DOES buy product from the third world countries and that WILL increase in the future. I'm afraid you have been duped if you buy Charney's BS claims.

ha ha ha shen :)  I like your wording :)

Quoteno garment maker pays people a decent wage. It's like retail or janitorial work, it's a garbage job everywhere on the planet.

american apparel.  $12/hour + health care benefits and some other kinds of benefits.  It's crap - but not too bad considering/relative to similar jobs.



John Oliver :)  We disagree, leave it at that.  Deng Xiao Ping?  I'll go with Paul Martin "At a moment that comes rarely in the life of a country. It is a time when destiny is ours to hold."

Quote from: "asal"I know that's exactly who works there.  



I didn't know it's $8 + production bonuses.  Still better than 12 cents/day, even relative to purchasing power in the places where people are paid 12 cents.