Title: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:24:21 AM
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:24:21 AM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Renee on May 04, 2015, 11:37:27 AM
Post by: Renee on May 04, 2015, 11:37:27 AM
Actually I don't believe that, I just wrote it watch Shen have a stroke.
Truthfully I don't think there is
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:51:29 AM
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:51:29 AM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Renee on May 04, 2015, 01:29:07 PM
Post by: Renee on May 04, 2015, 01:29:07 PM
I think you are actually on to something re:climate change. (Deep breaths Shen haha) it's not climate change itself but the fact that we don't seem to be able to trust the information presented. There seems to be someone always saying the opposite.Quote from: "RW"
That's because you have extremists on both sides of the issue who have large sums of money invested in their pieces of the pie. It's only natural that the info that you are fed will be conflicting. As with most sociopolitical issues it is probably a safe bet to assume the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: reel on May 04, 2015, 04:14:17 PM
Post by: reel on May 04, 2015, 04:14:17 PM
I think you are actually on to something re:climate change. (Deep breaths Shen haha) it's not climate change itself but the fact that we don't seem to be able to trust the information presented. There seems to be someone always saying the opposite.Quote from: "RW"
I agree. It says something when a large swath of the population doesn't trust its science community. It either says that the science community (or process followed by the science community) is corrupt or that the population is scientifically illiterate. Neither is a particularly appealing option.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: reel on May 04, 2015, 04:27:16 PM
Post by: reel on May 04, 2015, 04:27:16 PM
I think you are actually on to something re:climate change. (Deep breaths Shen haha) it's not climate change itself but the fact that we don't seem to be able to trust the information presented. There seems to be someone always saying the opposite.Quote from: "RW"
That's because you have extremists on both sides of the issue who have large sums of money invested in their pieces of the pie. It's only natural that the info that you are fed will be conflicting. As with most sociopolitical issues it is probably a safe bet to assume the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
I attend a lot of conferences about security concerns where the organizers sponsor admirals from various world navies to come and present their plans for the coming years. The admirals frequently mention the security impacts of climate change as a driving factor in decision making about fleet make-up. I also attend a lot of similar conferences about oil & gas where the oil and gas majors make statements about the impact global warming has on
I've never heard any of them question it. Call me crazy, but I've never really considered the world's navies and the oil and gas majors as bastions of environmental liberalism.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Romero on May 04, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
Post by: Romero on May 04, 2015, 05:02:13 PM
Accepting climate change and lowering emissions is the official policy for all oil companies.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Renee on May 04, 2015, 05:45:35 PM
Post by: Renee on May 04, 2015, 05:45:35 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 05:51:38 PM
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 05:51:38 PM
(edit)Quote from: "Renee"
That's no fun!
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 05:59:02 PM
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 05:59:02 PM
Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy, practices a puritanical version of Islam and is governed by Shariah, or Islamic law. In the deeply conservative kingdom, sorcery, witchcraft and blasphemy are all offenses that can be punishable by death.[/b]
The London-based Saudi newspaper Al-Hayat quoted a source in the country's religious police who said authorities searched Nassar's home and found books on sorcery, a number of talismans and glass bottles filled with liquids supposedly used for the purposes of magic. The source told the paper Nassar was selling spells and bottles of the liquid potions for about $400 dollars each.
CNN could not reach Saudi Arabia's religious police or Justice Ministry for comment.
Amnesty says Nassar's execution is "the second of its kind in recent months. In September, a Sudanese national was beheaded in the Saudi Arabian city of Medina after being convicted on 'sorcery' charges."
The human rights group said the number of executions in Saudi Arabia has almost tripled in 2011.
"So far at least 79 people -- including five women -- have been executed there, compared to at least 27 in 2010," the Amnesty statement said.
This is not the first sorcery case in Saudi Arabia to spark outrage from human rights groups. In 2008, Lebanese TV host Ali Hussain Sibat was arrested on charges of sorcery while in Saudi Arabia on a religious pilgrimage. In 2009, he was found guilty and sentenced to death. While Sibat has not been executed, he remains in prison.
Saudi Arabia's judicial system also made headlines this month for the sentence imposed on Australian national Mansor Almaribe, who was convicted of blasphemy while performing the Hajj in the kingdom, and sentenced to 500 lashes and a year in prison. The Australian government is pleading Almaribe's case.http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/13/world/meast/saudi-arabia-beheading/
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 06:05:34 PM
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 06:05:34 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Renee on May 04, 2015, 06:24:47 PM
Post by: Renee on May 04, 2015, 06:24:47 PM
(edit)Quote from: "Renee"
That's no fun!
Sorry.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 04, 2015, 07:25:07 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 04, 2015, 07:25:07 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 08:24:59 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 08:24:59 PM
The web sites of every oil company acknowledge that climate change is happening, is caused by humans, and must be dealt with.Quote from: "Romero"
Accepting climate change and lowering emissions is the official policy for all oil companies.
You are so naive.
Of course they would declare to the world that they accept global warming...yada yada yada...and that they are committed to "sustainability" yada yada yada...BP/Shell/Mobil CARES, see.
So, make sure you buy THEIR petrol when filling up your gas guzzling all terrain environment killer so you can pick up the kids from school 400 metres away.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 08:25:55 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 08:25:55 PM
What is the biggest threat facing the world today? Who or what should we be fearing the most? Is it Putin? China? Islam? Nuclear warfare? Or something else....?Quote from: "RW"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/big-question-kcl/11544853/What-is-the-biggest-threat-facing-the-world-today.html
The biggest threat to human civilisation and progress is Islam.
Followed closely by America.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 08:29:20 PM
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 08:29:20 PM
I'm going with China.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 08:35:09 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 08:35:09 PM
Their condolence message to Singapore is telling...
"Mr Lee Kuan Yew had worked together with the pioneering generation of Chinese leaders in opening the gate for the friendly cooperation between China and Singapore," said Mr Li in a message posted on the website of the State Council of the People's Republic of China. "His contributions to the China-Singapore relationship and China's reform and opening up will surely be marked by history."
One of his cornerstones for economic development is to be on friendly terms with everyone, and to open the doors to foreign investment and relations.
China has followed the Singapore social, economic and bilateral relationship model almost precisely.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 08:37:38 PM
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 08:37:38 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 08:39:00 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 08:39:00 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 08:40:19 PM
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 08:40:19 PM
Islam? Really?Quote from: "RW"I'm going with China.
Me too. =))
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Romero on May 04, 2015, 09:39:21 PM
Post by: Romero on May 04, 2015, 09:39:21 PM
The web sites of every oil company acknowledge that climate change is happening, is caused by humans, and must be dealt with.Quote from: "Romero"
Accepting climate change and lowering emissions is the official policy for all oil companies.
You are so naive.
Of course they would declare to the world that they accept global warming...yada yada yada...and that they are committed to "sustainability" yada yada yada...BP/Shell/Mobil CARES, see.
So, make sure you buy THEIR petrol when filling up your gas guzzling all terrain environment killer so you can pick up the kids from school 400 metres away.
Naive about what? I'm just saying it's their policy. I'm not saying they actually really care about sustainability or want people to use less oil.
I think it's funny how the oil companies officially agree with proponents of man-made climate change.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Romero on May 04, 2015, 09:40:41 PM
Post by: Romero on May 04, 2015, 09:40:41 PM
Islam? Really?Quote from: "RW"I'm going with China.
Me too. =))(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://bravellir.com/gallery/d/5374-2/Surrendering_smile_animated.gif%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://bravellir.com/gallery/d/5374-2/S%20...%20imated.gif%22%3Ehttp://bravellir.com/gallery/d/5374-2/Surrendering_smile_animated.gif%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://img04.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i6/T1eUqjFbdfXXXiS0sU_013939.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://img04.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded%20...%20013939.jpg%22%3Ehttp://img04.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i6/T1eUqjFbdfXXXiS0sU_013939.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
Bump! There's no way I could let this important post be bumped off the current page!
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 09:41:59 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 09:41:59 PM
I am saying they will promote their "sustainability" principles as a marketing tool; no more.
They are like tobacco companies promoting healthy lifestyles.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Romero on May 04, 2015, 09:47:32 PM
Post by: Romero on May 04, 2015, 09:47:32 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 09:55:45 PM
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 09:55:45 PM
Islam? Really?Quote from: "RW"I'm going with China.
Me too. =))(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://bravellir.com/gallery/d/5374-2/Surrendering_smile_animated.gif%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://bravellir.com/gallery/d/5374-2/S%20...%20imated.gif%22%3Ehttp://bravellir.com/gallery/d/5374-2/Surrendering_smile_animated.gif%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://img04.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i6/T1eUqjFbdfXXXiS0sU_013939.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://img04.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded%20...%20013939.jpg%22%3Ehttp://img04.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i6/T1eUqjFbdfXXXiS0sU_013939.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)Bump! There's no way I could let this important post be bumped off the current page!
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 04, 2015, 09:58:40 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 04, 2015, 09:58:40 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 10:14:51 PM
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 10:14:51 PM
You could be viewed as shallow.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
I suppose so. However the underlying message is that unlike Islam, neither China nor Russia represent a threat to the mental well being of the world, and expansionary ambitions over greed don't really interest me.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 10:37:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 04, 2015, 10:37:13 PM
You could be viewed as shallow.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
You say that like its a BAD thing???
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 10:42:37 PM
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 10:42:37 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2015, 10:51:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2015, 10:51:31 PM
The web sites of every oil company acknowledge that climate change is happening, is caused by humans, and must be dealt with.Quote from: "Romero"
Accepting climate change and lowering emissions is the official policy for all oil companies.
I am required to pretend it's never happened before and is totally caused by man too.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 11:03:43 PM
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 11:03:43 PM
The mental well being bunny? You think they are going to brainwash us all?!Quote from: "RW"
All they need to do is outnumber us, and they seem to have done a pretty good job of that in Saudi Arabia, and Iran, and Pakistan, and Indonesia, and pretty much everywhere else they've moved to.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 11:04:18 PM
You could be viewed as shallow.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
You say that like its a BAD thing???
ac_tongue
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2015, 11:08:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2015, 11:08:38 PM
I agree. It says something when a large swath of the population doesn't trust its science community. It either says that the science community (or process followed by the science community) is corrupt or that the population is scientifically illiterate. Neither is a particularly appealing option.
That's because the scientific community is varied. I have never had a prof in uni say that climate change has never happened before and is totally the result of man burning fossil fuels.
Anyway, whatever one thinks about climate change most of the world(especially outside the West) doesn't think it's too important.
As international delegates struggle to reach a climate-change agreement in a new round of talks, a United Nations survey of 6.7 million people shows the world doesn't care much about global warming.Quote
The ongoing online survey of citizens of 193 countries plus the Palestinian territories found that education ranked number one of 16 subjects in the poll. Climate change landed at the bottom in the overall results, below access to telephones and the Internet, although some individual countries placed it higher.http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/UN-survey-global-warming/2014/12/08/id/611765/
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:23:07 PM
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:23:07 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2015, 11:26:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2015, 11:26:57 PM
A lot of the climate science community is on the climate change is real wagon.Quote from: "RW"
What does "real" mean?
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:28:54 PM
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:28:54 PM
A lot of the climate science community is on the climate change is real wagon.Quote from: "RW"
What does "real" mean?
It's an actual thing aka not made up.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2015, 11:34:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2015, 11:34:41 PM
A lot of the climate science community is on the climate change is real wagon.Quote from: "RW"
What does "real" mean?
It's an actual thing aka not made up.
I have met people with an earth science background who believe the earth's climate is changing. They also believe man is likely playing a role in it. That's about where the "consensus" ends though.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:49:46 PM
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:49:46 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 11:52:27 PM
Post by: easter bunny on May 04, 2015, 11:52:27 PM
The prevailing theory says that the 41K year cycle has to do with the earth's tilt changing and the 100K year cycle has to do with the eccentricity of the orbit changing. I believe another theory about the 100K cycle though - that it's caused by a disc shaped dust cloud that sits at the center of our orbital plane, and we drift back and forth through it. That makes more sense to me than it being caused by eccentricity changes that are barely measurable. There's also some data to support it.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2015, 11:53:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2015, 11:53:39 PM
Read up on climate science and what the consensus is there.Quote from: "RW"
Oh puhleease RW. I have prolly read more on the subject than the rest of you here combined. I am an earth sciences grad. Consensus is for popularity contests not science.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:58:26 PM
Post by: RW on May 04, 2015, 11:58:26 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2015, 12:03:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2015, 12:03:00 AM
If you are so well read, why don't you know what climate scientists are saying?Quote from: "RW"
If you don't believe me the opinions of my peers vary about causes, who or what is responsible or even if climate change falls outside historic norms than we really have nothing more to say.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 05, 2015, 12:06:50 AM
Post by: RW on May 05, 2015, 12:06:50 AM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2015, 12:17:44 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2015, 12:17:44 AM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 05, 2015, 12:25:56 AM
Post by: RW on May 05, 2015, 12:25:56 AM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2015, 12:27:52 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2015, 12:27:52 AM
As international delegates struggle to reach a climate-change agreement in a new round of talks, a United Nations survey of 6.7 million people shows the world doesn't care much about global warming.Quote
The ongoing online survey of citizens of 193 countries plus the Palestinian territories found that education ranked number one of 16 subjects in the poll. Climate change landed at the bottom in the overall results, below access to telephones and the Internet, although some individual countries placed it higher.http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/UN-survey-global-warming/2014/12/08/id/611765/
...is the key issue.
Despite the ardent, POLITICAL scare mongering of the left, people are generally apathetic to the issue of global warming...largely because its clear we can do nothing about it.
The problem the Left has with those of us who "deny" is that they portray us as denying "reality". Deniers do NOT deny the world's temperature is changing, because it ALWAYS changes. Deniers DO NOT accept that the arguments of the Left, promulgated by their academic cadres (how many inhabitants of academia are rightists?) that mankind is making the planet warmer, and only by adopting goofy socialist measures will we save the planet.
Deniers do NOT deny the need for a cleaner environment. But not in the context of "Clean it or it will die" hysteria. In my opinion, there is no coincidence between the strident increase in global warm-ongering and the collapse of communism. The left lost a key foundation of its being...creating a workers paradise...and suddenly found a new building block for leftist idealism. Deniers, as the left calls us in their habit of demonising those who do not agree with them, have not been fooled by their Trojan Horse...and the world has listened.
We must clean the planet whenever and wherever we can, and we should not ignore the fact that much has already been done.
Yet while you guys are apparently roasting up there in the north, I am freezing my ass off in uncommonly cold weather for this time of year, with howling wind and driving rain.
That ain't "warming".
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2015, 01:00:04 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2015, 01:00:04 AM
I am sure opinions vary. I'm asking you if you are aware of what the scientific consensus is on the issue.Quote from: "RW"
Does C02 follow or lead any changes in climate? There are some within the community that believe the former. My point being is that Hansen's view of consensus is not what he would have us believe if you start looking beyond joint statements.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 05, 2015, 01:38:30 AM
Post by: RW on May 05, 2015, 01:38:30 AM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2015, 02:01:17 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2015, 02:01:17 AM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Renee on May 05, 2015, 10:55:31 AM
Post by: Renee on May 05, 2015, 10:55:31 AM
You'll never be THAT bored as long as I am around.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
That's for sure because there are always diapers that need changing and oatmeal that needs to be wiped from your chin.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 05, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Post by: RW on May 05, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
THIS....Quote from: "SPECTRE"As international delegates struggle to reach a climate-change agreement in a new round of talks, a United Nations survey of 6.7 million people shows the world doesn't care much about global warming.Quote
The ongoing online survey of citizens of 193 countries plus the Palestinian territories found that education ranked number one of 16 subjects in the poll. Climate change landed at the bottom in the overall results, below access to telephones and the Internet, although some individual countries placed it higher.http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/UN-survey-global-warming/2014/12/08/id/611765/
...is the key issue.
Despite the ardent, POLITICAL scare mongering of the left, people are generally apathetic to the issue of global warming...largely because its clear we can do nothing about it.
The problem the Left has with those of us who "deny" is that they portray us as denying "reality". Deniers do NOT deny the world's temperature is changing, because it ALWAYS changes. Deniers DO NOT accept that the arguments of the Left, promulgated by their academic cadres (how many inhabitants of academia are rightists?) that mankind is making the planet warmer, and only by adopting goofy socialist measures will we save the planet.
Deniers do NOT deny the need for a cleaner environment. But not in the context of "Clean it or it will die" hysteria. In my opinion, there is no coincidence between the strident increase in global warm-ongering and the collapse of communism. The left lost a key foundation of its being...creating a workers paradise...and suddenly found a new building block for leftist idealism. Deniers, as the left calls us in their habit of demonising those who do not agree with them, have not been fooled by their Trojan Horse...and the world has listened.
We must clean the planet whenever and wherever we can, and we should not ignore the fact that much has already been done.
Yet while you guys are apparently roasting up there in the north, I am freezing my ass off in uncommonly cold weather for this time of year, with howling wind and driving rain.
That ain't "warming".
Climate CHANGE there Spec.
We don't get -30C+ winters here like we used to. We don't get feet upon feet of snow like we used to. The impact of this is huge.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2015, 11:55:52 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2015, 11:55:52 AM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2015, 07:26:48 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2015, 07:26:48 PM
Climate CHANGE there Spec.
We don't get -30C+ winters here like we used to. We don't get feet upon feet of snow like we used to. The impact of this is huge.
Oh, no you don't...
That's just a lefty swerve. When their screeching about "global warming" proved fallacious when it was observed it wasn't warming at all, they switched jargon to "climate change".
Of course the climate is changing. Its always changing.
Any day now, we're going to see some lard-headed, bearded, scum encrusted academic who's never held a real job declare that the world is in dire danger because the globe is spinning slower, and its because of humans. And the left will all leap up with cries of "stop global deceleration", and call for a cull of humans. Something they've shown a rather deft hand at in the past.
But the world's rotation has been slowing for millennia...
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Romero on May 05, 2015, 08:18:54 PM
Post by: Romero on May 05, 2015, 08:18:54 PM
That's just a lefty swerve. When their screeching about "global warming" proved fallacious when it was observed it wasn't warming at all, they switched jargon to "climate change".Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Who observed it wasn't warming? It certainly wasn't NASA, NOAA, the World Meteorological Organization, the UK Met Office, the Japan Meteorological Agency...
It was never switched from "global warming" to "climate change". Both terms have been used for decades. Global warming is causing climate change.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2015, 08:41:44 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 05, 2015, 08:41:44 PM
That's just a lefty swerve. When their screeching about "global warming" proved fallacious when it was observed it wasn't warming at all, they switched jargon to "climate change".Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Who observed it wasn't warming? It certainly wasn't NASA, NOAA, the World Meteorological Organization, the UK Met Office, the Japan Meteorological Agency...
It was never switched from "global warming" to "climate change". Both terms have been used for decades. Global warming is causing climate change.
Dr Don Easterbrook observed it isn't warming.
It is part of The Grand Deception what METEOROLOGICAL organisations are qualified to provide opinion on global warming. They are observers of temperature in specific VERY SMALL areas of the planet.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Romero on May 05, 2015, 11:03:29 PM
Post by: Romero on May 05, 2015, 11:03:29 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 06, 2015, 05:07:47 AM
Post by: RW on May 06, 2015, 05:07:47 AM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2015, 01:13:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2015, 01:13:59 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Frost on May 08, 2015, 04:43:37 PM
Post by: Frost on May 08, 2015, 04:43:37 PM
My thoughts is liberal politics from the so called left, and right in western countries.
Politicians will break us down from within, and so falls the Roman empire.
Those with any bit of intelligence knows what I'm saying.
Islam should not be an issue unless in their own countries, but meddling warmongers, and people feeling sorry for them has to rattle their chains.
Stop letting them into the western countries, deport the hate mongers.
China would not have acted up if one person showed some balls, and wouldn't have gave them out tech.
Another lets them on our bases, and navel ships with cameras, not to mention letting them build a massive base on our soil.
One opened trade, and let our own companies sell out to move there.
One vise president is working for them as a lobbyist.
That's just a little of my rant, there is a lot more. Think about who the threat is, it's not the people who hate us as much as the ones that's selling us out.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 08, 2015, 04:48:07 PM
Post by: RW on May 08, 2015, 04:48:07 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2015, 05:01:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2015, 05:01:04 PM
I think hacking is going to be a huge global issue.Quote from: "RW"
You are likely right. And we have only seen the tip of the iceberg so far.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 08, 2015, 05:09:26 PM
Post by: RW on May 08, 2015, 05:09:26 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Tatterdamelion on May 08, 2015, 05:36:58 PM
Post by: Tatterdamelion on May 08, 2015, 05:36:58 PM
What is the biggest threat facing the world today? Who or what should we be fearing the most? Is it Putin? China? Islam? Nuclear warfare? Or something else....?Quote from: "RW"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/big-question-kcl/11544853/What-is-the-biggest-threat-facing-the-world-today.html
Something else will kill the human race. Everything mentioned in the article of news - politics, spying etc falls under technology progress. Humans will destroy the planet before I become 50 years old in thirty years. Humans will not survive their own technology. Nuclear war or technology progress will kill everyone.
The biggest problem humans will have in thirty years from today is overpopulation and food shortage if technology has not already killed everyone.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 08, 2015, 07:00:23 PM
Post by: RW on May 08, 2015, 07:00:23 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Tatterdamelion on May 08, 2015, 09:18:51 PM
Post by: Tatterdamelion on May 08, 2015, 09:18:51 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 08, 2015, 09:35:30 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 08, 2015, 09:35:30 PM
Christians actually EXPECT it.
I think we're better than that.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2015, 04:47:41 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2015, 04:47:41 AM
The harbingers of doom have been foretelling the demise of the world for centuries.Quote from: "SPECTRE"Christians actually EXPECT it.
I think we're better than that.
Unlike mankind, the earth is built to last..
New heavens and new earths will be created, but man will play no part in it.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2015, 05:27:49 AM
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2015, 05:27:49 AM
Given that biblical prophesies haven't got an exemplary track record thus far, I'm betting man will still be influential in the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2015, 01:27:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2015, 01:27:34 PM
Er...right...Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Given that biblical prophesies haven't got an exemplary track record thus far, I'm betting man will still be influential in the foreseeable future.
Of course man will have domain over the earths..
We will rule and reign with the Lord in heaven too.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2015, 03:22:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2015, 03:22:07 PM
1. The rise of Islamic extremism. This is the most dangerous threat humanity faces by a landslide.
2. Debt!! We in the West haven't learned much from the 2008 global recession. Both governments and citizens in the West are ramping up debt again.
3. Corruption and waste under the guise of saving the planet from "global warming". This ties in with the second one of course. It has made some corrupt third world leaders even richer while encouraging nepotism/corruption in the West. The poor old Western taxpayer is picking up the tab for all this gluttony. We're talking hundreds of billions of dollars a year. What a waste.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 09, 2015, 07:37:51 PM
Post by: RW on May 09, 2015, 07:37:51 PM
Climate change will be a big issue especially if sea levels rise. We should be planning to address that now.
Stuxnet (worm hack attacked Iran nuclear facility years ago) had hackers cracking programmable logic controllers (PLCs) which ruined a significant portion of their nuclear centrifuges. That's scary shit folks. Now we are dawning on the quantum computer age where we go back to fumbling in the dark and responding to hacks that will have serious backing behind them. A quantum computer will be the next Gibson.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2015, 08:51:01 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 09, 2015, 08:51:01 PM
Climate change will be a big issue especially if sea levels rise. We should be planning to address that now.
Yep. I propose we start by going down to the beach with buckets and start emptying the ocean.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2015, 04:49:27 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2015, 04:49:27 AM
In my opinion, the biggest problem is family breakdowns.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 10, 2015, 06:16:02 AM
Post by: RW on May 10, 2015, 06:16:02 AM
Climate change will be a big issue especially if sea levels rise. We should be planning to address that now.
Yep. I propose we start by going down to the beach with buckets and start emptying the ocean.
I'm more thinking along the lines of cities whose centres border on oceans.
Venice is sinking!
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: keeper on May 10, 2015, 06:52:26 AM
Post by: keeper on May 10, 2015, 06:52:26 AM
Warming temperatures, heavier rainfall, and rising seas — these are some of the climate-related effects in store for the Big Apple in the coming decade.
Rising sea level is one of the most worrisome issues facing New York City.
Read more:
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 10, 2015, 06:52:58 AM
Post by: RW on May 10, 2015, 06:52:58 AM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: easter bunny on May 10, 2015, 01:22:31 PM
Post by: easter bunny on May 10, 2015, 01:22:31 PM
Good and loving families have offspring who become productive members of society..Quote from: "Fashionista"In my opinion, the biggest problem is family breakdowns.
I agree. It's the root cause of most of our problems. Kids aren't stupid. If they see their parents are miserable they'll look for role models somewhere else.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2015, 03:29:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2015, 03:29:09 PM
I don't agree that Islam is a huge threat. We need to stop catering to it under freedom of religion bullshit then leave them in their own countries to run around in disorganized chaos.Quote
If you added up every problem the world has, all combined they would be a mouse compared to the elephant-sized problem that is Islam. Almost every intelligence agency says that between 15-25% of the globe's muzzies are radicalized or sympathetic to the cause. That's a conservative estimate of 240 million. In Canada that represents over 160,000 CITIZENS committed to our destruction. It's too late to send them back, they are here and their numbers are growing.
Climate change will be a big issue especially if sea levels rise. We should be planning to address that now. We are in a civilizational struggle. To ignore how serious this is tantamount to surrender.
Climate change will be a big issue especially if sea levels rise. We should be planning to address that now.Quote
I was talking about the economic malfeasance and corruption that surrounds the issue even if you do believe the world is warming up like never before(lie) and man is 100% responsible.
According to the Climate Policy Initiative, $359 billion was invested in 2012 to limit global warming. That's a billion bucks a day and that figure has only risen since. Consider how much clean water a billion dollars a day could provide for the Third World masses who die in the millions each year for lack of it.
Think of how those dollars could prevent malaria, which kills more than 650,000 a year — and one child every minute. The malaria control funding gap in Africa — $3.6 billion — would be closed in less than four days.
A billion a day could also develop a drug a day to save lives, ease suffering and generate wealth.
If man-made global warming were a real threat, it might be worth a billion a day to curb its effects. But it's simply conjecture, not hard science. It's a chimera that doesn't deserve our attention, much less our money.
I admit it's not a global problem since we in the West are footing the bill for all this fraud and corruption. It has made a few influential industrials in the West, solar panel manufacturers in China along with many corrupt third world despots filthy rich, but it has not fixed the problem they claimed was so scary in order to pick our purses more.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2015, 03:53:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2015, 03:53:21 PM
The New York City Panel on Climate Change has released a new report containing some alarming predictions for the city's climate future.Quote from: "Keeper"
Warming temperatures, heavier rainfall, and rising seas — these are some of the climate-related effects in store for the Big Apple in the coming decade.
Rising sea level is one of the most worrisome issues facing New York City.
Read more:http://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-city-flood-map-2020-2050-2015-2#ixzz3ZjQvQvZ3
Ocean levels have risen in some areas and dropped in others. For an 18-month period beginning in 2010, the oceans mysteriously dropped by about seven millimeters.
Don't get too worried about computer models Keeps.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 10, 2015, 04:56:24 PM
Post by: RW on May 10, 2015, 04:56:24 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
Shen, they are also disorganized and have been for ages. That's how Isreal continues to exist in a sea of pissed off Arabs.Quote from: "RW"
Did they have multi-billionaire financial backers then?
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 10, 2015, 05:01:39 PM
Post by: RW on May 10, 2015, 05:01:39 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2015, 05:32:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 10, 2015, 05:32:13 PM
Does it matter?Quote from: "RW"
What do you think? Could ISIS have taken over large swaths of Iraq, Syria and Libya without $$? Could 9/11 happened without Saudi money? What about the Spanish train bombing?
As for the Muddle East, I don't see what interest sunni Saudi Arabia has in destroying Israel. Their arch enemy is shia Iran. Wouldn't it be better to let the Israelis do their dirty work for them while they use their vast resources to finance global jihad?
We are doomed if we don't face the threat we face from Islam and we had better act sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 10, 2015, 05:41:42 PM
Post by: RW on May 10, 2015, 05:41:42 PM
If our money in the form of oily millions is supporting terrorism, why don't we stop buying Saudi oil?
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2015, 12:35:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2015, 12:35:42 PM
Tell me something..Quote from: "RW"
If our money in the form of oily millions is supporting terrorism, why don't we stop buying Saudi oil?
No offense RW, but this is the kind of post I would expect from a non thinker like EU.
Diane Francis writews about this and this is what I have been saying for a long time now. Alberta oilsands(not Utah's or Saskatchewan's oilsands) are the single biggest threat to the House of Saud. Not Iran, Alberta oilsands. We could force those pricks to hide out in the desert on their camels if we had a vast pipeline network like Norway does connecting our black gold to tidewater. SA is as a sugar daddy to big international NGO's s who scaremonger about our glorious black gold. The best defense we have against Gulf state terror sponsors is to bankrupt the creeps, which means taking away market share. Sadly, too many people in the West think that the status quo of having countries that care as little about the environment as they do women's rights is preferable to Canada/US/Brazil becoming the ethical alternative to OPEC.
Canada, the only non-OPEC member among the world's five top oil reserve holders, now supplies almost twice as many barrels to the U.S. as Saudi Arabia.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: RW on May 11, 2015, 01:19:19 PM
Post by: RW on May 11, 2015, 01:19:19 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2015, 01:23:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2015, 01:23:00 PM
Of course Shen, I understand the excuses and bullshit that people tout about pipelines and the environmental issues but if oil sponsored terrorism is such a big issue, shouldn't there be a bigger shit storm about pulling away from Saudi Oil?Quote from: "RW"
Yes, there should be. Unfortunately, the West tolerates the most vile nation on earth. On the other hand, we don't know what the alternative would be if the House of Saud fell.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: heinzy on May 11, 2015, 02:46:01 PM
Post by: heinzy on May 11, 2015, 02:46:01 PM
What is the biggest threat facing the world today? I can't be certain. However, the biggest threat facing each person is their own minds.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Very, very good...because it is ultimately and evidently true.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2015, 02:50:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 11, 2015, 02:50:10 PM
What is the biggest threat facing the world today? I can't be certain. However, the biggest threat facing each person is their own minds.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Very, very good...because it is ultimately and evidently true.:howdy:
Heinzy, how's the stud today?
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Odinson on May 11, 2015, 02:55:40 PM
Post by: Odinson on May 11, 2015, 02:55:40 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: cc on May 22, 2015, 05:11:09 PM
Post by: cc on May 22, 2015, 05:11:09 PM
Damn!! I missed heinzy ... one of my favorite posters
If you return here,
Islamic State fighters claim they are not getting the chance to blow themselves up because they are being bumped down the suicide-bomber waiting list by nepotistic leaders.
A Chechen militant has complained that Saudi jihadis are favouring their own friends and family for bombing missions.
Kamil Abu Sultan ad-Daghestani said fighters were becoming increasingly angry after being left languishing on the waiting list for months
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Annie on May 22, 2015, 07:35:02 PM
Post by: Annie on May 22, 2015, 07:35:02 PM
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Bricktop on May 22, 2015, 08:19:49 PM
Post by: Bricktop on May 22, 2015, 08:19:49 PM
I think terrorism throughout the world is on the rise. Not just where it's originated from, it's spreading. And pollution from radiation spills, oil spills, global warming., overfilled landfills, overpopulation in areas where rapid disease can spread and starvation happens. I can think of so many more, I better stop, this is depressing.Quote from: "Annie"ac_crying
Islam is in no position to build a strong military force. So it will continue to rely on terror and soft targets to spread its poison.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2015, 08:43:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2015, 08:43:05 PM
TRUE!!Quote from: "cc la femme"
Damn!! I missedheinzy ... one of my favorite posters
If you return here,Here's a smile for heinzy in some comic relief provided by IS:[/url]
Islamic State fighters claim they are not getting the chance to blow themselves up because they are being bumped down the suicide-bomber waiting list by nepotistic leaders.
A Chechen militant has complained that Saudi jihadis are favouring their own friends and family for bombing missions.
Kamil Abu Sultan ad-Daghestani said fighters were becoming increasingly angry after being left languishing on the waiting list for months
Mine too CC.
Title: Re: Oy! We got problems!
Post by: Annie on May 22, 2015, 09:48:37 PM
Post by: Annie on May 22, 2015, 09:48:37 PM
I think terrorism throughout the world is on the rise. Not just where it's originated from, it's spreading. And pollution from radiation spills, oil spills, global warming., overfilled landfills, overpopulation in areas where rapid disease can spread and starvation happens. I can think of so many more, I better stop, this is depressing.Quote from: "Annie"ac_crying
Islam is in no position to build a strong military force. So it will continue to rely on terror and soft targets to spread its poison.
Hey how'd your dr appointment go? On the road to getting better?