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Title: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Gay Boy Roberto on May 15, 2015, 04:31:01 PM
Whenever the next Repug presidency occurs - hopefully many years from now.



According to Canada's ambassador to the United States, water is the new oil. In a recent interview, Gary Doer said that by the end of the decade, the pressure on water quality and quantity will be immense. He predicted that water debates and disputes between the two countries will make the clash over the Keystone XL pipeline "look silly" by comparison.



It isn't hard to imagine. Many parts of the U.S. are in the midst of a freshwater disaster. Parts of California are experiencing their worst drought in modern history. Some communities are at risk of running out of water within months, a situation that could put new pressure on Canada to export water from the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence River Basin.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/in-a-water-war-canada-could-get-hosed/article17139638/
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Odinson on May 15, 2015, 04:33:59 PM
Canada is too strong...



Its not like invading some bullet spraying, khat chewing, camel humping ragheads.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: cc on May 15, 2015, 04:45:12 PM
[size=150]Warning!!  Drama Queening Thread[/size]
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Odinson on May 15, 2015, 05:06:33 PM
Speaking of invasions.



I bet putins birthday cake is shaped like the US capitol..



The chef changes the american flag to the russian flag because thats more to president Putins liking.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2015, 05:08:16 PM
You can blame the Kalifornia drought on Governor Moonbeam and the leftards that run the of Golden Land of Elitism. For years the leftwing legislature and the green bean envior-Nazis have blocked any initiative to develop a much need water storage system and at the same time, most of the cities (also run by leftards) have steadfastly refused to meter of regulate their water usage. Furthermore the agriculture industry which uses about 80% of Kaliforinia's water has refused to change over to less water dependent crops. Add the enormous population of affluent white left leaning airheads and the ever increasing poor of dubious US citizenship and you have a leftwing utopia on the verge of collapse. SURPRISE! Like nobody saw this coming.   ac_rollseyes  



The sad truth of the whole affair is that the money spent on Governor Moonbeam's high speed train to nowhere could have been better used to build desalination planets and the infrastructure to support them. But that wouldn't have made points with green lobby which in the state of California amounts to no more than a domestic terrorist group.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: cc on May 15, 2015, 05:24:24 PM
^ All accurate ... but but but .. gay boy tells me the Republicans will invade Canada to save the state  ... fast becoming more a state of mind than a state of meaning .. from the moonbeam fuckups  in Gay la fornica



And yes, Gay la fornica is on the verge of total financial and practical collapse. There is no way they can ever get the moonbeam-created  numbers back to operational



And now to top off  its overall silliness and failure, it's out of water ... and by its own hand
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2015, 05:35:18 PM
QuoteWhenever the next Repug presidency occurs - hopefully many years from now.

You have nothing to fear from the elephant in the room or the jackasses. They both want to spend, spend, spend which should make the roughly 50% of Americans who don't contribute happy. Rand Paul is a different story though.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Gay Boy Roberto on May 15, 2015, 07:24:10 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"[size=150]Warning!!  Drama Queening Thread[/size]


No drama queen, cc  - unless you're talking about yourself:



http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=24ca3d1d-fb73-4233-903b-ccd07dc00827
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2015, 07:44:55 PM
QuoteHow long before the USA invades Canada for water?

Who knows? Probably better to go ahead and build the pipelines to give it to us.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Bricktop on May 15, 2015, 08:02:52 PM
Fear not. The US can't do shit unless it has Australians in their corner.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2015, 08:18:21 PM
We will just get all the Californians to head up there. After all the population of California is bigger than Canada as a whole. But hey if y'all wanna jump in the Californians could probably use the help...
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2015, 08:20:11 PM
Quote from: "kiebers"We will just get all the Californians to head up there. After all the population of California is bigger than Canada as a whole. But hey if y'all wanna jump in the Californians could probably use the help...

I hope California solves their water shortage kiebers..



We went to California and had a lovely time.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2015, 08:26:38 PM
Politics is playing much too large a part in their problems. While they are a part of our country, I don't have a lot of sympathy for them. I truly wish them no harm, but, Renee pretty much told it like it is.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on May 15, 2015, 08:28:27 PM
Don't be silly. The USA would never invade Canada.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2015, 08:30:00 PM
Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"Don't be silly. The USA would never invade Canada.

I agree with you Lance.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Romero on May 15, 2015, 08:42:17 PM
Quote from: "Renee"You can blame the Kalifornia drought on Governor Moonbeam and the leftards that run the of Golden Land of Elitism. For years the leftwing legislature and the green bean envior-Nazis have blocked any initiative to develop a much need water storage system and at the same time, most of the cities (also run by leftards) have steadfastly refused to meter of regulate their water usage. Furthermore the agriculture industry which uses about 80% of Kaliforinia's water has refused to change over to less water dependent crops. Add the enormous population of affluent white left leaning airheads and the ever increasing poor of dubious US citizenship and you have a leftwing utopia on the verge of collapse. SURPRISE! Like nobody saw this coming.   ac_rollseyes  



The sad truth of the whole affair is that the money spent on Governor Moonbeam's high speed train to nowhere could have been better used to build desalination planets and the infrastructure to support them. But that wouldn't have made points with green lobby which in the state of California amounts to no more than a domestic terrorist group.

Huh. I always thought drought was caused by lack of rain.



You're not going to believe this, but the drought isn't just within the borders of California or where voters vote Democrat. The entire southwestern US is under drought. Many towns and regions all over are facing problems and plenty are Republican.



A Republican was governor of California from 2003 to 2011. The drought didn't start the day a Democrat was elected. California is experiencing the worst of it because, well, that's where the worst of the drought happens to be. Strange how that works, eh?



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Just look at that lack of rain. Liberal's fault! Environmentalist's fault!
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"Don't be silly. The USA would never invade Canada.

I thought that's what the Canadian OP topic title indicated. My bad.  ac_rollseyes
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2015, 09:09:18 PM
Romero you are so predictable. I figured you would come up with some bullshit like that. You have no clue as to the issues California is facing, has faced and will face. Everyone under the sun knows that what California is dealing with in terms this drought has been caused by the left politicizing the issue. Regardless of who the governor has been, environmental lobby groups have been holding that state hostage since the 1980s. Green scumbags who are almost as ignorant as you have been placing the wellbeing of things like minnows and turtles over the wellbeing of millions of people for decades by blocking any effort to improve the state's access to water. Even governor Brown is seeing the writing on the wall and is now starting to admit that building a water storage facility fed by desalination plants is probably a good idea......Geeze, you think?



I hate to sound mean but any credibility you had with me as a serious debater ended when you tried to make the ignorant arguement that African Americans in the US didn't get the legal right to vote until 1965.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2015, 09:17:48 PM
Hey Renee, go with "water shortage" instead of drought...Changes everything.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Bricktop on May 15, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
Quote from: "Renee"Romero you are so predictable. I figured you would come up with some bullshit like that. You have no clue as to the issues California is facing, has faced and will face. Everyone under the sun knows that what California is dealing with in terms this drought has been caused by the left politicizing the issue. Regardless of who the governor has been, environmental lobby groups have been holding that state hostage since the 1980s. Green scumbags who are almost as ignorant as you have been placing the wellbeing of things like minnows and turtles over the wellbeing of millions of people for decades by blocking any effort to improve the state's access to water. Even governor Brown is seeing the writing on the wall and is now starting to admit that building a water storage facility fed by desalination plants is probably a good idea......Geeze, you think?



I hate to sound mean but any credibility you had with me as a serious debater ended when you tried to make the ignorant arguement that African Americans in the US didn't get the legal right to vote until 1965.


Hold the bus, there, Broomhilda.



About 5 years ago, we experienced the mother of all droughts. As Romero states, a drought is caused by a lack of rain...you know, that stuff that falls out of the sky whilst you stand there wondering why you're getting wet all of a sudden and why are all these dogs huddled around your ankles keeping dry.



Politicians do not cause droughts. Nonetheless, we went into a panic, spent millions on drought proofing and even built a desal plant.



Then, it rained.



And everyone shut up. We now have a 300 million desal plant that is effectively mothballed because it costs too much to run. Despite the building of the plant, the laying of hundreds of kilometres of pipeline, and the massive disruption to roads all over the city, not ONE fucking drop has ever been distributed from the plant.



We now pay TRIPLE for water to cover the cost of the plant that is not used.



"THE official opening of the $1.8 billion Adelaide Desalination Plant by Premier Jay Weatherill has left the public with significantly higher water bills and no guarantee it will be used to produce substantial amounts of water in the near future.

The plant is likely to be mothballed when testing is finished in late 2014, leading to criticism it is a "white elephant" costing $30 million a year to sit idle.

However, the "water insurance policy" guarantees water security if the next severe drought jeopardises River Murray supplies."
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Romero on May 15, 2015, 09:40:28 PM
Quote from: "Renee"Romero you are so predictable. I figured you would come up with some bullshit like that. You have no clue as to the issues California is facing, has faced and will face. Everyone under the sun knows that what California is dealing with in terms this drought has been caused by the left politicizing the issue. Regardless of who the governor has been, environmental lobby groups have been holding that state hostage since the 1980s. Green scumbags who are almost as ignorant as you have been placing the wellbeing of things like minnows and turtles over the wellbeing of millions of people for decades by blocking any effort to improve the state's access to water. Even governor Brown is seeing the writing on the wall and is now starting to admit that building a water storage facility fed by desalination plants is probably a good idea......Geeze, you think?



I hate to sound mean but any credibility you had with me as a serious debater ended when you tried to make the ignorant arguement that African Americans in the US didn't get the legal right to vote until 1965.

First, desalinization plants would barely make a dent and come with other problems. Second...


QuoteFebruary 27, 2009



Citing a third consecutive year of drought conditions, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Friday declared a state of emergency and called on urban residents to cut their water usage by 20 percent.



//http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11801625

Republican's fault!


QuoteThe majority of Texas is currently experiencing in drought that started in October 2010. Most of the state has been under drought conditions for over three years.



State Climatologist John-Nielsen Gammon has warned that Texas could be in the midst of a drought worse than the drought of record in the 1950s. 2011 was the driest year ever for Texas, with an average of only 14.8 inches of rain. 2011 also set new records for low rainfall from March through May, and again from June through August. The high summer temperatures increased evaporation, further lowering river and lake levels.



//http://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/tag/drought/

Republican's fault!


QuoteRain, flooding helping Texas get out of drought



All the rain we've been getting has had a big impact on our drought and lake levels.



The heavy rain we've received over the last month hasn't eliminated the drought entirely, but it has improved conditions tremendously.



//http://www.wfaa.com/story/weather/2015/05/15/rain-flooding-helping-texas-get-out-of-drought/27357729/

What? Drought is caused by lack of rain? I'm absolutely shocked!
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2015, 10:04:03 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "Renee"Romero you are so predictable. I figured you would come up with some bullshit like that. You have no clue as to the issues California is facing, has faced and will face. Everyone under the sun knows that what California is dealing with in terms this drought has been caused by the left politicizing the issue. Regardless of who the governor has been, environmental lobby groups have been holding that state hostage since the 1980s. Green scumbags who are almost as ignorant as you have been placing the wellbeing of things like minnows and turtles over the wellbeing of millions of people for decades by blocking any effort to improve the state's access to water. Even governor Brown is seeing the writing on the wall and is now starting to admit that building a water storage facility fed by desalination plants is probably a good idea......Geeze, you think?



I hate to sound mean but any credibility you had with me as a serious debater ended when you tried to make the ignorant arguement that African Americans in the US didn't get the legal right to vote until 1965.


Hold the bus, there, Broomhilda.



About 5 years ago, we experienced the mother of all droughts. As Romero states, a drought is caused by a lack of rain...you know, that stuff that falls out of the sky whilst you stand there wondering why you're getting wet all of a sudden and why are all these dogs huddled around your ankles keeping dry.



Politicians do not cause droughts. Nonetheless, we went into a panic, spent millions on drought proofing and even built a desal plant.



Then, it rained.



And everyone shut up. We now have a 300 million desal plant that is effectively mothballed because it costs too much to run. Despite the building of the plant, the laying of hundreds of kilometres of pipeline, and the massive disruption to roads all over the city, not ONE fucking drop has ever been distributed from the plant.



We now pay TRIPLE for water to cover the cost of the plant that is not used.



"THE official opening of the $1.8 billion Adelaide Desalination Plant by Premier Jay Weatherill has left the public with significantly higher water bills and no guarantee it will be used to produce substantial amounts of water in the near future.

The plant is likely to be mothballed when testing is finished in late 2014, leading to criticism it is a "white elephant" costing $30 million a year to sit idle.

However, the "water insurance policy" guarantees water security if the next severe drought jeopardises River Murray supplies."


Both of you are off in left field. I'm not saying politicians cause drought but they do throw up barriers to improving the access to water so that the effects of the drought are exacerbated. California has always had a water problem even in wet years. The arid land and dry climate was never meant to support the population numbers and agricultural industry that it does today. Given those facts it is foolish for politicians and environmental groups to place the needs a few fish , frogs, snails or whatever over the future of an entire state. By doing so they have effectively jepordized the survival of millions of people. Only a butt fucking short sighted idiot does something like that.



Since CA. has always faced a water problem throughout its history and given the projections for population growth over the next century some kind of improvements to water storage will be needed. Unlike you down in Oz California will need to use a desalination system if it is to survive. It cannot afford to ignore this problem any longer, especially if the climate change models bare out to be correct.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2015, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Renee"Romero you are so predictable. I figured you would come up with some bullshit like that. You have no clue as to the issues California is facing, has faced and will face. Everyone under the sun knows that what California is dealing with in terms this drought has been caused by the left politicizing the issue. Regardless of who the governor has been, environmental lobby groups have been holding that state hostage since the 1980s. Green scumbags who are almost as ignorant as you have been placing the wellbeing of things like minnows and turtles over the wellbeing of millions of people for decades by blocking any effort to improve the state's access to water. Even governor Brown is seeing the writing on the wall and is now starting to admit that building a water storage facility fed by desalination plants is probably a good idea......Geeze, you think?



I hate to sound mean but any credibility you had with me as a serious debater ended when you tried to make the ignorant arguement that African Americans in the US didn't get the legal right to vote until 1965.

First, desalinization plants would barely make a dent and come with other problems. Second...


QuoteFebruary 27, 2009



Citing a third consecutive year of drought conditions, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Friday declared a state of emergency and called on urban residents to cut their water usage by 20 percent.



//http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11801625

Republican's fault!


QuoteThe majority of Texas is currently experiencing in drought that started in October 2010. Most of the state has been under drought conditions for over three years.



State Climatologist John-Nielsen Gammon has warned that Texas could be in the midst of a drought worse than the drought of record in the 1950s. 2011 was the driest year ever for Texas, with an average of only 14.8 inches of rain. 2011 also set new records for low rainfall from March through May, and again from June through August. The high summer temperatures increased evaporation, further lowering river and lake levels.



//http://stateimpact.npr.org/texas/tag/drought/

Republican's fault!


QuoteRain, flooding helping Texas get out of drought



All the rain we've been getting has had a big impact on our drought and lake levels.



The heavy rain we've received over the last month hasn't eliminated the drought entirely, but it has improved conditions tremendously.



//http://www.wfaa.com/story/weather/2015/05/15/rain-flooding-helping-texas-get-out-of-drought/27357729/

What? Drought is caused by lack of rain? I'm absolutely shocked!


Maybe you should do a rain dance.



Because it beats standing around with your thumb in your ass as you apparently want to do.



All your semantics aside you still haven't disputed the fact that it has been the leftard CA. legislature that has blocked all efforts to improve the state's access to water. That is a known fact and to top it off many in the misguided within the California government are openly proud of it.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: cc on May 15, 2015, 10:16:41 PM
Quote from: "Gay Boy Bob"
Quote from: "cc la femme"   It was
Quote "Warning!!  Drama Queening [size=150]Thread[/size]
With 3 word sentences, the last word can be too much for some .. I'll try to keep em shorter




Quote You have no clue as to the issues California is facing, has faced and will face.
 knowing nothing on a topic never stopped  a prog from prognificating .. and if that fails,  it's Bush's fault
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Romero on May 15, 2015, 10:29:33 PM
Quote from: "Renee"Both of you are off in left field. I'm not saying politicians cause drought but they do throw up barriers to improving the access to water so that the effects of the drought are exacerbated. California has always had a water problem even in wet years. The arid land and dry climate was never meant to support the population numbers and agricultural industry that it does today. Given those facts it is foolish for politicians and environmental groups to place the needs a few fish , frogs, snails or whatever over the future of an entire state. By doing so they have effectively jepordized the survival of millions of people. Only a butt fucking short sighted idiot does something like that.



Since CA. has always faced a water problem throughout its history and given the projections for population growth over the next century some kind of improvements to water storage will be needed. Unlike you down in Oz California will need to use a desalination system if it is to survive. It cannot afford to ignore this problem any longer, especially if the climate change models bare out to be correct.

You think it's just fish, frogs and snails but what do they live in or need? Water. The wetlands. The wetlands are necessary for fresh water retention and filtration. A wetland with no water becomes just more arid desert.



More dams and taking water from rivers and lakes is not the answer. They all just dry up. There are plenty enough near empty dams already. The only thing that's going to work is conservation and/or rain.



Yes, Californians are using a ridiculous amount of water and should have seen this coming. Overpopulation, big business and big agriculture are jeopardizing California's future. You're becoming a little bit of an environmentalist!


Quote from: "Renee"Maybe you should do a rain dance.

QuoteA few months ago, with Texas aflame from more than 8,000 wildfires brought on by extreme drought, a man who hopes to be the next president took pen in hand and went to work:



"Now, therefore, I, Rick Perry, Governor of Texas, under the authority vested in me by the Constitution and Statutes of the State of Texas, do hereby proclaim the three-day period from Friday, April 22, 2011, to Sunday, April 24, 2011, as Days of Prayer for Rain in the State of Texas."



In the four months since Perry's request for divine intervention, his state has taken a dramatic turn for the worse.  Nearly all of Texas  is now in "extreme or exceptional" drought, as classified by federal meteorologists, the worst in Texas history.



//http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/rick-perrys-unanswered-prayers/?_r=0
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2015, 10:34:12 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Renee"Both of you are off in left field. I'm not saying politicians cause drought but they do throw up barriers to improving the access to water so that the effects of the drought are exacerbated. California has always had a water problem even in wet years. The arid land and dry climate was never meant to support the population numbers and agricultural industry that it does today. Given those facts it is foolish for politicians and environmental groups to place the needs a few fish , frogs, snails or whatever over the future of an entire state. By doing so they have effectively jepordized the survival of millions of people. Only a butt fucking short sighted idiot does something like that.



Since CA. has always faced a water problem throughout its history and given the projections for population growth over the next century some kind of improvements to water storage will be needed. Unlike you down in Oz California will need to use a desalination system if it is to survive. It cannot afford to ignore this problem any longer, especially if the climate change models bare out to be correct.

You think it's just fish, frogs and snails but what do they live in or need? Water. The wetlands. The wetlands are necessary for fresh water retention and filtration. A wetland with no water becomes just more arid desert.



More dams and taking water from rivers and lakes is not the answer. They all just dry up. There are plenty enough of near empty dams already. The only thing that's going to work is conservation and/or rain.



Yes, Californians are using a ridiculous amount of water and should have seen this coming. Overpopulation, big business and big agriculture are jeopardizing California's future. You're becoming a little bit of an environmentalist!


When there is nothing left to conserve how is conservation going to work? You do know that there are communities in California, as we speak, that are about 2 months away (be state estimates) from running out of water don't you?



When the water is gone for those folks they will really be conserving then , won't they?
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Romero on May 15, 2015, 10:37:15 PM
Quote from: "Renee"When there is nothing left to conserve how is conservation going to work? You do know that there are communities in California, as we speak, that are about 2 months away (be state estimates) from running out of water don't you?



When the water is gone for those folks they will really be conserving then , won't they?

How long will they have after building a dam or draining a river? Because those very same communities have already tried it.



Where do you think they got their water from in the first place? Dead frogs?
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 16, 2015, 02:23:12 AM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Renee"When there is nothing left to conserve how is conservation going to work? You do know that there are communities in California, as we speak, that are about 2 months away (be state estimates) from running out of water don't you?



When the water is gone for those folks they will really be conserving then , won't they?

How long will they have after building a dam or draining a river? Because those very same communities have already tried it.



Where do you think they got their water from in the first place? Dead frogs?

 

What in fucks name are you prattling about?



They currently get their water from Northern California thru aquaduct systems that are almost 100 years old. The system can no longer meet the demand of the growing population of the southern part of the state.



With the lack of rainfall and the insufficient distribution system what exactly do you suggest they do, genius? Wait around and pray for rain? Or maybe environmental hacks like you could go and hand out divining rods?



You really are a moron.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Romero on May 19, 2015, 07:12:34 PM
Where do you think those aqueducts get their water from? Uh, rivers and lakes.


QuoteThe Owens River is a river in southeastern California in the United States, approximately 183 miles (295 km) long. It drains into and through the Owens Valley, an arid basin between the eastern slope of the Sierra Nevada and the western faces of the Inyo and White Mountains. The river terminates at the endorheic Owens Lake south of Lone Pine, at the bottom of a 2,600 sq mi (6,700 km2) watershed.



In the early 1900s the Owens was the focus of the California Water Wars, fought between the city of Los Angeles and the inhabitants of Owens Valley over the construction of the Los Angeles Aqueduct. Since 1913, the Owens River has been diverted to Los Angeles, causing the ruin of the valley's economy and the drying of Owens Lake.



//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owens_River

Aqueducts don't produce water. You can't distribute water if there isn't water! Fixing the aqueducts isn't going to magically bring more water to Owens Lake and the rest.



Look up "drought" in a dictionary or other reference. Drought is caused by lack of rain. Not frogs, environmentalists, Democrats or 100-year old aqueducts.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2015, 05:58:15 AM
Heh.



Romero kicked Renees phat ass.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 20, 2015, 07:36:01 AM
Nice try Mr. Meltdown.



Does this sound familiar:



"FUCK YOU ROMERO"



"FUCK YOUR FORUM"



"IM TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"!



I'll bet when you were a meter maid you didn't even need a siren on your bicycle. ac_toofunny



The fact of the matter is that you and Romotard are the only ones in this thread making idiotic statements . The two of you couldn't get a clue even if you pooled your pennies and bought one.



Now if you care to join me in the real world,.....California has been wrestling with water issues since the 19th century. The aquaduct system that currently exists no longer meets the needs of the current population and the agricultural industry. An expansion project along with desalination plants will be a future reality wether you and Romotard like it or not.



Despite what Romotard hastily googled to try and further his usual upside down position, the Owens lake water supply was not Southern California's main water supply. The majority of their water comes from the Sierra mountains and is distributed via a series of aquaducts. for decades no expansion or improvement was allowed because of what amounts to environmental terrorism on the part of organizations more concerned about fish and frogs than the lives of people. Now unlike you or Romo-dipshit, Governor Brown has woken up to the fact that several more tunnels and canals will need to be added to the system so that So. Cal. can further access the Sierra snowpack. There is now 15 billion dollar federally funded expansion project in the works to address this issue.



You see Dingo diddler, smart people try and be proactive. Dopes like you and what's his face (the guy that butt fucked you last week......you know....Romero) will just sit around with your thumbs in your asses and pray for rain.



There that's it in a nutshell; but fear not, if the drought gets really, really, bad the two of you can drink your own piss. in fact you can use it to wash down your favorite American cuisine......my shit.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Gay Boy Roberto on May 20, 2015, 11:16:47 AM
Pray for rain - great Republican strategy
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Romero on May 20, 2015, 01:16:02 PM
Quote from: "Renee"The majority of their water comes from the Sierra mountains and is distributed via a series of aquaducts. for decades no expansion or improvement was allowed because of what amounts to environmental terrorism on the part of organizations more concerned about fish and frogs than the lives of people. Now unlike you or Romo-dipshit, Governor Brown has woken up to the fact that several more tunnels and canals will need to be added to the system so that So. Cal. can further access the Sierra snowpack.

Uh oh.


QuoteCalifornia's snowpack has plunged to record low levels for early spring, bringing more ominous news for the drought-stricken state's water supply.



A statewide snow survey Wednesday found that the water content of California's snowpack was only 5 percent of the April 1 average, by far the lowest reading on record for that date.



//http://www.weather.com/climate-weather/drought/news/california-sierra-snowpack-record-low-april-2015

Again, drought doesn't care about borders or political ideology:


QuoteWashington State Is In A Drought 'Unlike Any We've Ever Experienced'



Citing historically low snowpack, falling river levels, and rising temperatures, Gov. Jay Inslee declared a statewide drought emergency for Washington on Friday.



Sectors that rely heavily on melting snowpack, like agriculture and wildlife, are expected to be hit hardest by the drought, with the Washington Department of Agriculture anticipating $1.2 billion in crop losses this year.



Statewide, snowpack levels are currently 16 percent of normal, ten percent lower than the last time a statewide drought emergency was declared in 2005.



//http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/05/18/3659911/washington-drought-emergency-declared/

Stupid liberals. Just build some aqueducts!
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 20, 2015, 02:29:35 PM
"The bottom line is that California has painted itself into a corner that will not be easy to get out of without messing up the floor we already painted.



Build new dams or reservoirs?



No say the High Priests of the Church of the Enlightened Environmentalists!



Build desalination plants to draw water from the vast Pacific Ocean?



Try that and you will be burned at the stake! Of course the stake will be made of recycled paper products!



For as long as Californians elect politicians who bow at the altar of radical environmentalism, the situation will only get worse.



"When it comes to water we have been doing things the stupid way for far too long.



Jerry Brown now wants to address the issue he should have addressed back in the 70s when we had fewer people.



Environmental extremism has finally met reality. And reality won.



Now the question is what are we going to do about it."



http://www.foxandhoundsdaily.com/2014/01/environmentalists-jerry-brown-share-responsibility-californias-water-crisis/



"Next up: Gov. Jerry Brown I. He embraced his father's project and persuaded the Legislature to authorize the canal. But an unlikely coalition of rich farmers — there wasn't enough water in it for them — and skittish environmentalists convinced voters to repeal the act."



http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/29/local/la-me-cap-water-20120730

http://www.sacbee.com/news/state/california/water-and-drought/article19960053.html

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/04/21/major-setback-for-jerry-browns-water-conservation-plan/



What Romotard doesn't get is that no one is denying that the current drought is caused by lack of rain. Unfortunately he also doesn't seem to understand that the situation has been almost irreversibly worsened by the fact that "Kalifornia" has been bending over for the radical environmental movement for almost 4 decades.  If anyone left alive today doesn't understand that the drought emergency being experienced in CA HASN'T been exacerbated by the politicization of the issue, then they are probably too stupid to be allowed to breed.



So If Romero wants to join reality then he will read the links I provided and get a clue as to what has happened and what needs to be done. But I don't have a lot of hope for that because that would mean he would have to abandon his leftard window licking position.



It doesn't take a lot of brains to understand the the current drought in places like California is a tad more complicated than just NO RAIN. Unfortunately people like Romero and his progressive ilk never developed even the small amount of brains required to understand the issue. It's kinda of sad when you think about it because it's small minded people who are in part responsible for the situation CA. finds itself in.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: cc on May 20, 2015, 02:40:05 PM
He never thought about Kaliphornica's now  horrendous water situation previous to this thread.



"Ex-Spurt by Google" - All he puts forward is stuff he quickly googles  ... googles with the mouse held in his left hand .. which serves only to take him further away from the past realities / gross wrongheaded agenda-driven fuckups that greatly exacerbated what was always a natural problem
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Romero on May 20, 2015, 02:46:41 PM
Quote from: "Renee"What Romotard doesn't get is that no one is denying that the current drought is caused by lack of rain.

???


Quote from: "Renee"You can blame the Kalifornia drought on Governor Moonbeam and the leftards that run the of Golden Land of Elitism.

Quote from: "Romero"Huh. I always thought drought was caused by lack of rain.

Quote from: "Renee"Romero you are so predictable. I figured you would come up with some bullshit like that. You have no clue as to the issues California is facing, has faced and will face. Everyone under the sun knows that what California is dealing with in terms this drought has been caused by the left politicizing the issue.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 20, 2015, 02:59:34 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Renee"What Romotard doesn't get is that no one is denying that the current drought is caused by lack of rain.

???


Quote from: "Renee"You can blame the Kalifornia drought on Governor Moonbeam and the leftards that run the of Golden Land of Elitism.

Quote from: "Romero"Huh. I always thought drought was caused by lack of rain.

Quote from: "Renee"Romero you are so predictable. I figured you would come up with some bullshit like that. You have no clue as to the issues California is facing, has faced and will face. Everyone under the sun knows that what California is dealing with in terms this drought has been caused by the left politicizing the issue.


Wow I finally figured it out! You're so literal that you miss most of the point. Now I have to wonder if it is an intentional tactic or you're just fucking stupid.  ac_umm  



When I say that the current "drought has been caused by the left politicizing the issue", it means that the situation wouldn't be quite the emergency that it has become if the California state legislature put the interests of the state ahead of the interests of radical environmental groups.



It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you have an arid environment housing an exploding population, you need to make steady improvements to the infrastructure that is supposed to support it and that supporting infrastructure includes....THE WATER SUPPLY ac_wot . Instead of pandering for votes and living in a leftwing utopia of elitism and denial, maybe the politicians in California should have tackled this issue sooner???????? I guess it's better to just give up on long term urban planning because you don't have the guts to stand up to the bullying the enviro-Nazis throw at you.



I don't know, call me crazy but I think that's a bad policy. ac_toofunny
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Romero on May 20, 2015, 03:51:05 PM
For one hundred years California has already been following your genius plan. Building aqueducts, dams and reservoirs... draining wetlands, rivers and lakes... yet you believe doing more of the exact same will somehow bring the opposite of what resulted. If it's such a great idea, why has it failed so miserably?



Draining more wetlands, rivers and lakes only drains more wetlands, rivers and lakes. If the drought continues as expected, there will simply be less water. It has to be replenished.



Conservation has always been the only real answer to the problem. California tried it your way. Infrastructure distributes water, it doesn't create water. The environmentalists have been correct all along.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: cc on May 20, 2015, 03:53:56 PM
^ More Googletygook


QuoteYou're so literal that you miss most of the point.



Now I have to wonder if it is an intentional tactic or you're just fucking stupid
 I had the first part figured long ago.



On the second part .. I never did resolve the "which is the root cause" mystery
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 20, 2015, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"^ More Googletygook


QuoteWow I finally figured it out!



You're so literal that you miss most of the point.



Now I have to wonder if it is an intentional tactic or you're just fucking stupid
 I had the first part figured long ago.



On the second part .. I never did resolve the "which is the root cause" mystery


It's probably best to just ask yourself if you even care what it is.



I don't know about you but I've reached a point where it doesn't matter because there is a very high probability that whatever the reason, it can't be rectified. The apparent lack of reading comprehension and complete absence of common sense and the blatant cherrypicking of discussion points, culminate into one big waste of time.  ac_dunno
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2015, 07:47:19 PM
Quote from: "Renee"......my shit.


Well, there'd be NO shortage of THAT.



As excrement is largely made from water, perhaps you can donate yours to California. They'd be in flood then.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 20, 2015, 07:49:02 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "Renee"......my shit.


Well, there'd be NO shortage of THAT.



As excrement is largely made from water, perhaps you can donate yours to California. They'd be in flood then.


Fuck, you didn't die?



I guess the sympathy beggathon was for nothing.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2015, 08:01:52 PM
Take more than a virus to put me down, toots.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 20, 2015, 08:11:10 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Take more than a virus to put me down, toots.


Well that's why they make 230gr hardball. ac_biggrin
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2015, 08:17:55 PM
Ain't that just like a yank.



Can't beat it, shoot it.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Renee on May 20, 2015, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Ain't that just like a yank.



Can't beat it, shoot it.


You should be nicer to me. Shooting you would be more humane than sticking you on an ice flow and setting to adrift with no food or water like they do with the old people in Canada.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: cc on May 20, 2015, 11:19:29 PM
Not any more. There are no ice flows now. Don't you read the climate propaganda? ... I mean truth    ac_rollseyes



As to sox, you could save your ammo and  just put him out for the dingoes
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Bricktop on May 20, 2015, 11:30:04 PM
WHAT???



Now YOU"RE ganging up on me???
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2015, 11:58:45 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Not any more. There are no ice flows now. Don't you read the climate propaganda? ... I mean truth    ac_rollseyes



As to sox, you could save your ammo and  just put him out for the dingoes

Climate change is real, but not the fear mongering.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: cc on May 21, 2015, 01:01:41 AM
ya



just a teasin sox .... couldn't resist the dingoes thing ... not a gang up
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Romero on May 31, 2016, 01:56:16 PM
QuoteDonald Trump Tells Drought-Plagued Californians: 'There Is No Drought'



Donald Trump told voters in drought-plagued California on Friday that he had a solution to the water crisis: Open up the water for farmers, because "there is no drought."



California is now in its fifth year of drought, which has taken a heavy toll on agriculture in particular. Despite an El Niño event that saw an increase last year in snowpacks that supply about one-third of California's water, 86 percent of the state is still considered to be in drought.



"They don't understand it," Trump said. "There is no drought, they turn the water out into the ocean."



He did not go into detail about how officials would open up the water, nor what science supports the claim that the drought is not real.



//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-water-california_us_574910e0e4b03ede4414f435

:laugh:
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 31, 2016, 05:14:07 PM
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If anyone has questions or wants to know more about water issues in California. This is where to start.

I believe that the governor of California was really good the first time around. His second tour of duty even better. Wish he'd run for president. The problem with California is L. A. It's in a desert, and too many people.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: cc on May 31, 2016, 10:14:59 PM
Quotea situation that could put new pressure on Canada to export water from the Great Lakes-St. Lawrence River Basin.

That makes no sense. They would take it from Lake Michigan which of course is within the US and closer to the middle and west areas ... and never have to ask



For the East they could take it from Lake Erie or Lake Ontario  



Lake Superior is farther West and has lots of US turf around it



Sounds like a lot of sensationalizing / bullshit



I know, I know .. lake levels .... treaties ... Thing is, when push comes to shove they and the need is overpowering they will just take it and IF it affects us substantially we will have to adjust accordingly ... as will some US areas
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2016, 12:36:11 AM
These leftist sites waste a lot of resources to tell us about someone somewhere who either said something silly or taken out of context. Huff Po is like the National Enquirer of leftist politics.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Twenty Dollars on June 01, 2016, 08:13:54 AM
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Did someone say Lake Michigan?
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2016, 09:04:51 AM
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"(//%3C/s%3Ehttp://i1359.photobucket.com/albums/q785/seamajor1/CF5AFA4C-563C-413B-B73B-4FE0F7B8F642_zpsdopfcz83.jpg%3Ce%3E) (//http)



Did someone say Lake Michigan?

That is disgusting.

 :beurk:
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2016, 10:18:12 AM
California's ambitious renewable energy plans are using up a lot of the state's precious water resources. Lavish living celebrities watering their massive lawns is another.



https://www.technologyreview.com/s/523856/solar-thermal-technology-poses-challenges-for-drought-stricken-california/

California's ambitious goal of getting a third of its electricity from renewable energy sources by 2030 is being tested by its driest year on record, part of a multiyear drought that's seriously straining water supplies. The state plan relies heavily on solar thermal technology, but this type of solar power also typically consumes huge quantities of water.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: reel on June 01, 2016, 07:12:23 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"California's ambitious renewable energy plans are using up a lot of the state's precious water resources. Lavish living celebrities watering their massive lawns is another.



https://www.technologyreview.com/s/523856/solar-thermal-technology-poses-challenges-for-drought-stricken-california/

California's ambitious goal of getting a third of its electricity from renewable energy sources by 2030 is being tested by its driest year on record, part of a multiyear drought that's seriously straining water supplies. The state plan relies heavily on solar thermal technology, but this type of solar power also typically consumes huge quantities of water.


They should use salt water cooling.  Much better use of salt water than desalination!



Also, the same cooling requirements exist in coal, gas, and nuclear plants.  The steam cycle that generates power is basically the same in most industrial power plants.  All that changes is the heat source.  Thus this article is a bit misleading.  It's not the fact that it's renewable power that is generating the requirement for water, it's the fact that there is a requirement for power.



The article should more clearly have stated that by indicating that "this type of solar power" was not differentiating solar thermal power from other types of power generation, but from photo voltaics - the other type of solar power that does not have this cooling requirement.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Anonymous on June 01, 2016, 07:47:00 PM
Quote from: "reel"
Quote from: "seoulbro"California's ambitious renewable energy plans are using up a lot of the state's precious water resources. Lavish living celebrities watering their massive lawns is another.



https://www.technologyreview.com/s/523856/solar-thermal-technology-poses-challenges-for-drought-stricken-california/

California's ambitious goal of getting a third of its electricity from renewable energy sources by 2030 is being tested by its driest year on record, part of a multiyear drought that's seriously straining water supplies. The state plan relies heavily on solar thermal technology, but this type of solar power also typically consumes huge quantities of water.


They should use salt water cooling.  Much better use of salt water than desalination!



Also, the same cooling requirements exist in coal, gas, and nuclear plants.  The steam cycle that generates power is basically the same in most industrial power plants.  All that changes is the heat source.  Thus this article is a bit misleading.  It's not the fact that it's renewable power that is generating the requirement for water, it's the fact that there is a requirement for power.



The article should more clearly have stated that by indicating that "this type of solar power" was not differentiating solar thermal power from other types of power generation, but from photo voltaics - the other type of solar power that does not have this cooling requirement.

I understand that all forms of power generation need water, but I read not all equally?
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: reel on June 01, 2016, 07:48:26 PM
Quote from: "Renee"You can blame the Kalifornia drought on Governor Moonbeam and the leftards that run the of Golden Land of Elitism. For years the leftwing legislature and the green bean envior-Nazis have blocked any initiative to develop a much need water storage system and at the same time, most of the cities (also run by leftards) have steadfastly refused to meter of regulate their water usage. Furthermore the agriculture industry which uses about 80% of Kaliforinia's water has refused to change over to less water dependent crops. Add the enormous population of affluent white left leaning airheads and the ever increasing poor of dubious US citizenship and you have a leftwing utopia on the verge of collapse. SURPRISE! Like nobody saw this coming.   ac_rollseyes  



The sad truth of the whole affair is that the money spent on Governor Moonbeam's high speed train to nowhere could have been better used to build desalination planets and the infrastructure to support them. But that wouldn't have made points with green lobby which in the state of California amounts to no more than a domestic terrorist group.


I would venture that the biggest issue is the water use in agriculture. Environmentalists may be preventing the government from solving the problem by avoiding the issue and just consuming more to get around it, but they aren't creating it. The agriculture industry doesn't even need to change their crops. In fact, that's probably a bad idea. They just need to do things slightly differently.



Watch this instructional video to find out why!





Now that you are all more educated, I think it's worth noting that solutions exist that satisfy both environmentalists and regular folks just doing their regular things.  In most cases, they want the same things.  Farmers spending a tiny bit more to mulch their fields is both cheaper and far more environmentally friendly than building massive, costly, energy intensive desalination plants (and then the power plants to run them).  But regular folks need to recognize that paying 5% more for their tomatoes is better than paying 100% more for their electricity and 200% more for their water.  The rub is that farmer's will resist unless consumers tell them not to, but the power and water companies will delight in turning folks over a barrel.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: reel on June 01, 2016, 07:51:00 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
I understand that forms of power generation need water, but I read not all equally?


No, it's pretty much all the same.  The cooling water is used to recondense the steam after it has passed through the steam turbine so that it can be sent back to the heat source, become steam again and go back through the turbine.  This is the basic operational premise of almost every power plant on the planet.  Really all that varies is the source of the heat that creates the steam.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: reel on June 01, 2016, 07:58:33 PM
You can see here a schematic of a nuclear plant, a solar thermal plant, and a coal plant.



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All have exactly the same process, same steam turbine, heat exchanger, and condenser, with the same need for cooling water in the condenser.  Just a different heat source (smashing atoms, collecting sunlight, or burning coal).



Obviously water consumption would scale with power output, but all of the options would require roughly the same water for a given power.  There are also different methods for handling the cooling water that consume more or less water (as explained in the article), but those can be applied equally to any of the plant types.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Twenty Dollars on June 01, 2016, 09:14:16 PM
Large scale water purification is the future.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2016, 12:29:44 AM
Quote from: "reel"
Quote from: "seoulbro"California's ambitious renewable energy plans are using up a lot of the state's precious water resources. Lavish living celebrities watering their massive lawns is another.



https://www.technologyreview.com/s/523856/solar-thermal-technology-poses-challenges-for-drought-stricken-california/

California's ambitious goal of getting a third of its electricity from renewable energy sources by 2030 is being tested by its driest year on record, part of a multiyear drought that's seriously straining water supplies. The state plan relies heavily on solar thermal technology, but this type of solar power also typically consumes huge quantities of water.


They should use salt water cooling.  Much better use of salt water than desalination!



Also, the same cooling requirements exist in coal, gas, and nuclear plants.  The steam cycle that generates power is basically the same in most industrial power plants.  All that changes is the heat source.  Thus this article is a bit misleading.  It's not the fact that it's renewable power that is generating the requirement for water, it's the fact that there is a requirement for power.



The article should more clearly have stated that by indicating that "this type of solar power" was not differentiating solar thermal power from other types of power generation, but from photo voltaics - the other type of solar power that does not have this cooling requirement.

I think the reason the Seoul Brother posted this is to make a point abou misleading articles and not the content of the link itself.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2016, 12:59:24 AM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "reel"
Quote from: "seoulbro"California's ambitious renewable energy plans are using up a lot of the state's precious water resources. Lavish living celebrities watering their massive lawns is another.



https://www.technologyreview.com/s/523856/solar-thermal-technology-poses-challenges-for-drought-stricken-california/

California's ambitious goal of getting a third of its electricity from renewable energy sources by 2030 is being tested by its driest year on record, part of a multiyear drought that's seriously straining water supplies. The state plan relies heavily on solar thermal technology, but this type of solar power also typically consumes huge quantities of water.


They should use salt water cooling.  Much better use of salt water than desalination!



Also, the same cooling requirements exist in coal, gas, and nuclear plants.  The steam cycle that generates power is basically the same in most industrial power plants.  All that changes is the heat source.  Thus this article is a bit misleading.  It's not the fact that it's renewable power that is generating the requirement for water, it's the fact that there is a requirement for power.



The article should more clearly have stated that by indicating that "this type of solar power" was not differentiating solar thermal power from other types of power generation, but from photo voltaics - the other type of solar power that does not have this cooling requirement.

I understand that all forms of power generation need water, but I read not all equally?

I had a link from SaskPower about concentrating solar power, but I cannot find it. I found this instead.

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Wet-cooled concentrated solar power plants use slightly more water than coal and natural gas; however, concentrated solar power plants can be designed to use dry-cooling.



Although wet-cooled CSP plants generally consume more water than many other forms of energy, they consume one-third of the amount that alfalfa and cotton consume per acre and about one-half of

the water a golf course consumes per acre.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: reel on June 02, 2016, 02:19:22 AM
Fundamentally, that chart makes no sense at all since the heating and cooling systems are separate.  Different cooling systems result in different water consumption, but different heat sources don't.



They must be measuring existing plants and rather than separating by cooling type (wet, dry, once-through), they separate by heat source for all but solar.  A lot of newer NG plants are dry cooled, so that's probably what skews the NG down.  Then if you combined the wet and dry solar, you'd probably end up with a consumption lower than coal or nuke since solar is common with both cooling types.



Again misleading info as they only split solar by cooling type, not the others.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: reel on June 02, 2016, 02:21:40 AM
The local NG plant here is a once through, so technically it "uses" no water, but it pumps a crap load through and sends it back into the sea several degrees warmer.
Title: Re: How long before the USA invades Canada for water?
Post by: Anonymous on June 02, 2016, 10:13:22 AM
Good information all around about power generation. Herm is right, the link I posted was not really about power from the sun.
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