Title: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 12:13:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 12:13:53 PM
Of the fundamental rights, the right to vote, the freedom of speech, religion and press etc - the right to vote is the least important. Free speech occured long before universal suffrage, as did freedom of press and religion. You can have them without having the right to vote. Everyone - exactly everyone - in the US has freedom of speech, even a five year old. But the right to vote is limited to those above 18, because only those above 18 can be trusted to have developed a good enough understanding of the world to vote (that is of course just one reason, but it pretty much sums it up
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Odinson on June 09, 2015, 12:19:28 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 09, 2015, 12:19:28 PM
Although... 18year old city asshole hasnt developed anything...
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: RW on June 09, 2015, 12:29:17 PM
Post by: RW on June 09, 2015, 12:29:17 PM
When I hear of parties(usually leftist ones) suggesting extending voting rights to 16 year olds, I just fucking wince. We already have enough ignorant dunces being pandered to with our money. Bribing kiddies at election time is stupid.Quote from: "Shen Li"
Of the fundamental rights, the right to vote, the freedom of speech, religion and press etc - the right to vote is the least important. Free speech occured long before universal suffrage, as did freedom of press and religion. You can have them without having the right to vote. Everyone - exactly everyone - in the US has freedom of speech, even a five year old. But the right to vote is limited to those above 18, because only those above 18 can be trusted to have developed a good enough understanding of the world to vote (that is of course just one reason, but it pretty much sums it up
What will extending the vote solve? Like what problem are we addressing with this age change?
I think we should spend more time talking about getting rid of political parties.
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 12:42:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 12:42:35 PM
When I hear of parties(usually leftist ones) suggesting extending voting rights to 16 year olds, I just fucking wince. We already have enough ignorant dunces being pandered to with our money. Bribing kiddies at election time is stupid.Quote from: "Shen Li"
Of the fundamental rights, the right to vote, the freedom of speech, religion and press etc - the right to vote is the least important. Free speech occured long before universal suffrage, as did freedom of press and religion. You can have them without having the right to vote. Everyone - exactly everyone - in the US has freedom of speech, even a five year old. But the right to vote is limited to those above 18, because only those above 18 can be trusted to have developed a good enough understanding of the world to vote (that is of course just one reason, but it pretty much sums it up
What will extending the vote solve?Like what problem are we addressing with this age change?
I think we should spend more time talking about getting rid of political parties.
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Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Odinson on June 09, 2015, 12:43:11 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 09, 2015, 12:43:11 PM
Same with the immigrants... They expect votes from them.
They actually attack an immigrant if she/he doesnt vote left...
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 02:53:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 02:53:47 PM
When I hear of parties(usually leftist ones) suggesting extending voting rights to 16 year olds, I just fucking wince. We already have enough ignorant dunces being pandered to with our money. Bribing kiddies at election time is stupid.Quote from: "Shen Li"
Of the fundamental rights, the right to vote, the freedom of speech, religion and press etc - the right to vote is the least important. Free speech occured long before universal suffrage, as did freedom of press and religion. You can have them without having the right to vote. Everyone - exactly everyone - in the US has freedom of speech, even a five year old. But the right to vote is limited to those above 18, because only those above 18 can be trusted to have developed a good enough understanding of the world to vote (that is of course just one reason, but it pretty much sums it up
My family knew what martial law was like before Taiwan became a democratic country.
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: cc on June 09, 2015, 03:00:17 PM
Post by: cc on June 09, 2015, 03:00:17 PM
Face it. There is not a democracy that runs efficiently .. let alone honestly.
There is not a democracy that has elected the right people to do the right job
As trends shift, the best we (all Western democracies) ever get might be a 2 or 3 out of 10 ... in a good year
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Odinson on June 09, 2015, 03:08:08 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 09, 2015, 03:08:08 PM
Why do we even need to explain why a lazy, pot smoking, haile selassie worshipping stupid hippie fuckhead shouldnt be allowed to vote.
Election results affect all of us.. Voting should be done by people with reason.
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 03:11:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 03:11:06 PM
Dunno. Some retain progism into their later years. Seems for every avenue we explore there is a roadblock at the end of itQuote from: "cc la femme"ac_smile
Face it. There is not a democracy that runs efficiently .. let alone honestly.
There is not a democracy that has elected the right people to do the right job
As trends shift, the best we (all Western democracies) ever get might be a 2 or 3 out of 10 ... in a good year
I agree with what you are saying cc la femme..
On one hand, my family has opposed dictatorship, but on the other hand, we do not participate in the democratic process in our new country.
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: cc on June 09, 2015, 03:17:54 PM
Post by: cc on June 09, 2015, 03:17:54 PM
I would be a great, kind and efficient "benevolent dictator" if any countries are interested
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Renee on June 09, 2015, 03:20:31 PM
Post by: Renee on June 09, 2015, 03:20:31 PM
I would be a great, kind and efficient benevolent dictator if any countries are interestedQuote from: "cc la femme"
BUT I would have to be named director of your secret police.
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Odinson on June 09, 2015, 03:20:54 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 09, 2015, 03:20:54 PM
I would be a great, kind and efficient benevolent dictator if any countries are interestedQuote from: "cc la femme"
At best you would be my wife..
10th wife.
I would be his glorious imperial majesty Juha the 1st.
I want a cool 19th century emperors outfit...
Suit is lame.
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: cc on June 09, 2015, 04:05:52 PM
Post by: cc on June 09, 2015, 04:05:52 PM
I would be a great, kind and efficient benevolent dictator if any countries are interestedQuote from: "cc la femme"
ac_umm I can see myself getting behind that.
BUT I would have to be named director of your secret police.acc_devil
So long as it's kept secret, DEAL!! ... assuming your secret troops will secretly bring me chocolate ice cream every day
As for secret police being in conflict with my bio, I said "kind and efficient benevolent" .. I never said saintly
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Renee on June 09, 2015, 04:32:22 PM
Post by: Renee on June 09, 2015, 04:32:22 PM
I would be a great, kind and efficient benevolent dictator if any countries are interestedQuote from: "cc la femme"
ac_umm I can see myself getting behind that.
BUT I would have to be named director of your secret police.acc_devil
So long as it's kept secret, DEAL!! ... assuming your secret troops will secretly bring me chocolate ice cream every day
As for secret police being in conflict with my bio, I said "kind and efficient benevolent" ..I never said saintly
Well, that's a relief because if "saintly" was part of your platform, I would definitely have to have you.......assassinated.
By chance, do you smoke cigars?
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Odinson on June 09, 2015, 04:37:01 PM
Post by: Odinson on June 09, 2015, 04:37:01 PM
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 08:59:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 08:59:01 PM
I understandQuote from: "cc la femme"
I would be a great, kind and efficient "benevolent dictator" if any countries are interested
We would be cc la femme.
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Bricktop on June 09, 2015, 10:10:58 PM
Post by: Bricktop on June 09, 2015, 10:10:58 PM
Instead of extending the vote, it should be constrained. No non-taxpaying parasites. No-one convicted of an indictable crime. No Government employees, or those employed in any capacity by the Government. Age increased to 21.
MP's get 2 terms, tops, then return to whatever rock they crawled out from. President elected directly by the people (a la American). Ministers appointed by the Prez.
MP's who fail to adhere to their oath can be recalled by a petition signed by 10% of the electorate.
Bureaucrats can be voted out if they perform below public expectations, or are simply not warranted.
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 10:29:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2015, 10:29:09 PM
Now I'm not saying that the masses are stupid, I'm saying they're ignorant. And it's not really their fault. Quick: What's your nation's budget distribution? What's Canada's five biggest trade partners? What's the interest paid on the debt?
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on June 10, 2015, 04:36:49 PM
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on June 10, 2015, 04:36:49 PM
Title: Re: Universal Suffrage Is Archaic And Needs To Go
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2015, 06:22:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2015, 06:22:49 PM
We should have a progressive voting system with multiple votes for some people. The higher your income the more votes you would get. Students and those on EI would earn more votes than greedy doctors, architects and CMA's.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
