The Supreme Court ruled today that all forms of medical marijuana are legal. Patients can now buy it in all forms without hassle. The Health Minister is fuming and vows to combat the "normalization" of pot. It's time to get out of the dark ages when it comes to weed.
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/medical-marijuana-legal-in-all-forms-supreme-court-rules-1.3109148
My eyes popped. There were a couple of stores in Vancouver although there could be more.
There are lots in Van now
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http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/medical-marijuana-legal-in-all-forms-supreme-court-rules-1.3109148
I have mixed feelings about this RW.
ac_umm
Why Fash?
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I am opposed drugs and alcohol usage.
It's for medical purposes though.
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I know, but still..
I'm concerned it will be abused.
Any medicine can be abused.
There's enough dopes in Canada already.
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There was a man at my husband's company that became addicted to painkillers..
It cost him his job, his marriage and his relationship with his children..
I don't want that for anyone.
Well that was my choice - nasty addictive painkillers or marijuana. Which would you choose?
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I don't know enough about either to offer any kind of opinion..
ac_blush
What I do know is that I hope your pain is relieved.
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There was a man at my husband's company that became addicted to painkillers..
It cost him his job, his marriage and his relationship with his children..
I don't want that for anyone.
That's a good point about this debate. Prescription drugs kill over 100,000 Americans every year. Millions become addicted.
Marijuana seems pretty tame in comparison. I don't think there's even one known death.
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There was a man at my husband's company that became addicted to painkillers..
It cost him his job, his marriage and his relationship with his children..
I don't want that for anyone.
That's a good point about this debate. Prescription drugs kill over 100,000 Americans every year. Millions become addicted.
Marijuana seems pretty tame in comparison. I don't think there's even one known death.
But, isn't marijuana a gateway drug?
No that's a load of crap.
No, its not.
Every drug, including alcohol and cigarettes, are gateway drugs.
Hard drug users rarely go from Chupa Chups to heroin.
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This is what I found from a search RW.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug
Gateway drugs are bullshit.
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Can you explain please?
Studies have shown that people who use marijuana do not move on to harder substance.
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My Google search didn't indicate that RW..
But there could be mixed opinions in the medical community.
For the last 50+ years there has only been research to try to prove how bad marijuana is. The research to find the good is only just now gaining steam. The propaganda machine has worked so hard on this for all those years that it is difficult for many to see the good it can do. If you search the internet the greatest majority of things you find will have been driven by that propaganda machine. RW and I are on the same page here.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/marijuana/marijuana-gateway-drug
Here's but one Fash
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It's true. I believe Quebec is getting into some more serious research on the drug. It's already legal in a few US states.
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Then it would appear that I have been influenced by the propaganda..
But, I still don't believe getting drunk or high is wise.
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Here's but one Fash
Thank you RW.
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That's because when you are stoned on weed all day you have no ambition to do anything else. ac_biggrin
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That's because when you are stoned on weed all day you have no ambition to do anything else. ac_biggrin
ac_toofunny
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That's because when you are stoned on weed all day you have no ambition to do anything else. ac_biggrin
HAHAHAHA!
I only do weed stuff at night.
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Other studies have shown the opposite quite dramatically
age a key factor ... the young being more likely to move on to bigger things .. according to studies, lol
as we both know, studies are all set up to produce the result wanted ... easy to do that
As for propaganda machines, they work in BOTH directions .. by far more in the "for it" direction of late
That said, medical pot can be of benefit for pain, anxiety etc. and many docs will now prescribe it
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That's because when you are stoned on weed all day you have no ambition to do anything else. ac_biggrin
HAHAHAHA!
I only do weed stuff at night.
What's it like RW?
I have never been high or drunk,
A high changes based on the strain and the delivery method.
For me, I usually end up feeling heavy, relaxed, a bit spacey, I can't focus on multiple things at once and I forget things. I don't feel anxious and I generally just feel cool and calm - a bit sleepy even. Sexually my senses are heightened making things very sensitive so it makes for a very different experience. Most importantly, I'm pain free. Like I know my body is irritated but I can't feel it.
I usually only do it after my kids have gone to bed.
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Other studies have shown the opposite quite dramatically
age a key factor ... the young being more likely to move on to bigger things .. according to studies, lol
as we both know, studies are all set up to produce the result wanted ... easy to do that
As for propaganda machines, they work in BOTH directions .. by far more in the "for it" direction of late
That said, medical pot can be of benefit for pain, anxiety etc. and many docs will now prescribe it
Those who are going to go there are going to go there. I'd say many pot smoker aren't into harsher drugs. I smoked weed in high school and I never touched another drug. That was common in my group as well so anecdotally speaking, it seems accurate.
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For me, I usually end up feeling heavy, relaxed, a bit spacey, I can't focus on multiple things at once and I forget things. I don't feel anxious and I generally just feel cool and calm - a bit sleepy even. Sexually my senses are heightened making things very sensitive so it makes for a very different experience. Most importantly, I'm pain free. Like I know my body is irritated but I can't feel it.
I usually only do it after my kids have gone to bed.
What delivery methods are there?
Would you take marijuana if you were not in pain?
I do not react well to the THC .. .well, for a while its OK .. .even "nice", then I get anxious after a while of it.
So for evening I have to use almost pure CBD .. no high whatsoever ... but helps the pain and helps anxiety that always partners with pain
I use only a vaporizer that does not burn it .. no smoke, just water vapor and virtually no smell
What's the strain with the CBDs cc? What do you vape - budder, shatter, oil, ash?
Not really giving a shit about this, but can anyone buy pot now?
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For me, I usually end up feeling heavy, relaxed, a bit spacey, I can't focus on multiple things at once and I forget things. I don't feel anxious and I generally just feel cool and calm - a bit sleepy even. Sexually my senses are heightened making things very sensitive so it makes for a very different experience. Most importantly, I'm pain free. Like I know my body is irritated but I can't feel it.
I usually only do it after my kids have gone to bed.
What delivery methods are there?
Would you take marijuana if you were not in pain?
She likes to take it rectally. ac_biggrin
On the street, ya but technically only those with government issued cards can. There are compassion clubs that people use without the official card but generally don't get hassled by the law even though it's technically illegal.
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For me, I usually end up feeling heavy, relaxed, a bit spacey, I can't focus on multiple things at once and I forget things. I don't feel anxious and I generally just feel cool and calm - a bit sleepy even. Sexually my senses are heightened making things very sensitive so it makes for a very different experience. Most importantly, I'm pain free. Like I know my body is irritated but I can't feel it.
I usually only do it after my kids have gone to bed.
What delivery methods are there?
Would you take marijuana if you were not in pain?
She likes to take it rectally. ac_biggrin
Hey! I told you that in private!
Fash, you can smoke it, vaporize it, or eat/drink it.
I have used it when I wasn't in pain but I don't like doing it. It's just like medicine. You don't take a Tylenol if you don't have a headache.
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For me, I usually end up feeling heavy, relaxed, a bit spacey, I can't focus on multiple things at once and I forget things. I don't feel anxious and I generally just feel cool and calm - a bit sleepy even. Sexually my senses are heightened making things very sensitive so it makes for a very different experience. Most importantly, I'm pain free. Like I know my body is irritated but I can't feel it.
I usually only do it after my kids have gone to bed.
What delivery methods are there?
Would you take marijuana if you were not in pain?
She likes to take it rectally. ac_biggrin
Hey! I told you that in private!
Fash, you can smoke it, vaporize it, or eat/drink it.
I have used it when I wasn't in pain but I don't like doing it. It's just like medicine. You don't take a Tylenol if you don't have a headache.
You have made some very good points, but I still feel most people don't use it for pain.
Many don't. Many use it to get high. That doesn't bother me either. I think drinking is far worse.
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Oh fuck yeah. I'm saying this as a person who does drink and does not smoke weed.
They are pretty comparable to be honest in terms of feeling of intoxication.
I'm going to go on a weekend bender. I can't wait!
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I'm going to go on a weekend bender. I can't wait!
I experimented with weed, but I didn't enjoy it. With my mojitos, I get a warm glow at first. After that I just get mean.
I was a pot user for many years and an alcoholic for just about as many probably more.
Pot was far less addicting i would say.
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I believe that.
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Many approved companies have, over time, created hybrids with varying ratios of THC & CBD . . not sure about "strains" but ratios THC vs CBD can go from 12 / 0 ... 22 / 1 (almost psychedelic, lol) to 1/13 (I use 1/13 in later part of evening and 4/10 mixed with it in daytime .. actually have not been using it a lot lately but I think I will get back .. am hurting
Here's were I buy http://cannimed.ca/collections/all
25% off on all internet purchases is standard & they have added free 2-3 day shipping last several months
You must first pick your supplier, then have doc fill out their form . so prescription becomes supplier-specific for its one year duration
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Many approved companies have, over time, created hybrids with varying ratios of THC & CBD . . not sure about "strains" but ratios THC vs CBD can go from 12 / 0 ... 22 / 1 (almost psychedelic, lol) to 1/13 (I use 1/13 in later part of evening and 4/10 mixed with it in daytime .. actually have not been using it a lot lately but I think I will get back .. am hurting
Here's were I buy http://cannimed.ca/collections/all
THC, CBD, strains, I am lost.
ac_huh
Yes, well those are not strains per se . .those are each a chemical compound that affects people ... and very different from each other as I explain above
The ratios I mentioned are ratios of each compound in a given type / purchase
In short, you can customize your product by ratio of each to get what is best for you ... only understanding what each does and then some experimenting tells one what works best FOR THEM
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Many approved companies have, over time, created hybrids with varying ratios of THC & CBD . . not sure about "strains" but ratios THC vs CBD can go from 12 / 0 ... 22 / 1 (almost psychedelic, lol) to 1/13 (I use 1/13 in later part of evening and 4/10 mixed with it in daytime .. actually have not been using it a lot lately but I think I will get back .. am hurting
Here's were I buy http://cannimed.ca/collections/all
25% off on all internet purchases is standard & they have added free 2-3 day shipping last several months
You must first pick your supplier, then have doc fill out their form . so prescription becomes supplier-specific for its one year duration
I'll go in to my club and see what they have in hybrids. I want the pain relief and not the "stone".
My doctor won't sign anything. I've gotten around that by providing my diagnosis.
As I recall there is good reading on how each affects you on that site
copy paste from their site answers some questions .. .and raises more
Medical marijuana contains many potentially active substances, the two most researched being:
1.Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC); and
2.Cannabidiol (CBD).
THC is thought to be responsible for the psychoactive effects, or the "high", felt from marijuana. It has also been shown to be responsible for the immunosuppressive, anti-inflammatory1 and analgesic properties2,3,4 of medical marijuana.
CBD, which lacks nearly any psychoactive effect5, is responsible for giving medical marijuana its anti-inflammatory, analgesic, anti-nausea, anti-emetic, anti-psychotic, anti-ischemic, anxiolytic, and anti-epileptic effects6
More - http://cannimed.ca/pages/suggested-dosing
Thank you cc!
I love these morons who make statements like this;
"These findings are consistent with the idea of marijuana as a "gateway drug."
I, like some others, are tertiary qualified by virtue of having attended a University or similar.
During that study, I was required to submit a number of written assignments in response to set questions, or situations.
Were I to make a statement such as the above, WITHOUT REFERENCE TO THE DATA OR EMPIRICAL RESEARCH that supports such a statement, I would have lost marks.
The site references the study.
Studies are like lamp posts to a drunk.
He uses it to support himself, but rarely for illumination.
*sigh*
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http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/medical-marijuana-legal-in-all-forms-supreme-court-rules-1.3109148
That is great news.
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He uses it to support himself, but rarely for illumination.
ac_toofunny
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He uses it to support himself, but rarely for illumination.
ac_toofunny
thats pretty goddamn funny....
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I resemble that thought, but cheer up, it does work both ways.
You sure?
About time. It was (gasp) 45 years ago (!) that a Royal Commission recommended the de-criminalization of marijuana use and posession.
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I find it difficult to be excited about legalizing a substance most people use to get high.
ac_unsure
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The Health Minister is having a fit about not enough testing being done around it. You have millions of users doing the testing while they drag their asses on doing studies on the stuff.
Your hand has been forced Minister. Get on it already.
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I find it difficult to be excited about legalizing a substance most people use to get high.
ac_unsure
I'm excited about the tax revenue it can generate.
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I find it difficult to be excited about legalizing a substance most people use to get high.
ac_unsure
I'm excited about the tax revenue it can generate.
I'm sure governments do too.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but this is to do with only medical pot.
Bob. Please refrain from messing up this site with extremely premature orgasms
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Bob. Please refrain from messing up this site with extremely premature orgasms
Now, I'm really confused.
ac_umm
Didn't mean to confuse.
Maybe someone who knows more on this matter will reply, but all I've seen is "medical" pot can now be sold in several forms instead of just raw as before .... if true, that is nothing for simple pot heads to get excited about
I know of no change to non medical pot laws .... but if that is not so maybe someone will enlighten us
As a medical pot user I don't see this as a biggy at all .... any form of using pot beyond a good quality adjustable temperature vaporizer cannot be efficient. Temp adjustable is important as certain compounds are most effective when vaporized at specific temperatures
As I understand it, baking as in brownies wastes most of the effects because of too hot temperature
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I find it difficult to be excited about legalizing a substance most people use to get high.
ac_unsure
While it may eventually be completely legal now it is just medical and as such should require a prescription. There are many drugs out there that are beneficial and made from plants that kill or get high. If we lost all of them because of the same close mindedness used with marijuana its hard to imagine the effects.
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Yeah, Bob, make sure you clear it with the thought police before saying something she doesn't like.
LMAO - so "something she doesn't like" is the same as "something that is not true"?
unfuckingbelievable "in defense of fellow unicorns" auto-response
As always for this twatwaffle
I never smoke marijuana.
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unfuckingbelievable "in defense of fellow unicorns" auto-response
As always for this twatwaffle
I think it's hilarious how you always flip out whenever Bob posts anything.
What's not true? There was a Royal Commission.
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Want the sample. ac_smile
I think it's hilarious how you always flip out whenever cc posts anything.
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Newsflash for Unicorns
They did nothing about "the de-criminalization of marijuana use and posession" ... even with correct spelling ... so far as I know
If they did, let me know please
In fact ALL they did was allow different materials ... most of which are extremely inefficient ... .not orgasm material
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Newsflash for Unicorns
They did nothing about "the de-criminalization of marijuana use and posession" ... even with correct spelling ... so far as I know
If they did, let me know please
In fact ALL they did was allow different materials ... most of which are extremely inefficient ... .not orgasm material
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Legal recommendations included a gradual withdrawal of the use of the criminal law against nonmedical users of drugs, the repeal of the offence of possession of cannabis, a general reduction of penalties for all other cannabis offences and no increase in the penalties for other drug offences, and for opiate dependants an emphasis on treatment and medical management rather than criminal sanctions.
//http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/royal-commission-on-the-non-medical-use-of-drugs/
You post [size=150]old [/size]unicorn material that has [size=150]NOT[/size] been followed
Why would you do that, other than to make a fool of yourself yet again ? You really don't get itQuote
[size=150]did[/size] was allow different materials ... most of which are extremely inefficient ... .not orgasm material
You, Bob & all fellow Potheads got nothing from the current law change .. nada
Now, let's see what dumb line he comes out with next
Come on. All potheads say it's "medicinal".
I think mary jane is a total non-issue. However, I really like Rona Ambrose. She represents a West Czuk riding and she is an outstanding rep. She along with Jason Kenney are the socially conservative wing of the party, but that's none of my biz. I wish we had 307 more MP's just like her.
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I find it difficult to be excited about legalizing a substance most people use to get high.
ac_unsure
I want to put this in perspective not just for you but for anyone that feels this doesn't benefit to help someone with pain.
Your sitting on the couch watching TV and out of no where PAIN shooting from your toes up the side of your leg up your thigh to your butt and just up your back, 5 times before you can even move your leg, this happens 6 more times and for 4 hours after taking Tylenol 3 only to have 30 minutes comfort, using Alcohol is not an option.
Weed not only STOPS the pain it masks it for hours after.
I have to suffer because other people still have the mentality that 90% of the people who use, use it to get high only. ac_crying
Before you start posting how you are so against it, think about the people who actually NEED to use it. Think of this plant that can be put in pill form just like any other pain med. Get your mind of of the 1970's
Just sayin.
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I find it difficult to be excited about legalizing a substance most people use to get high.
ac_unsure
I want to put this in perspective not just for you but for anyone that feels this doesn't benefit to help someone with pain.
Your sitting on the couch watching TV and out of no where PAIN shooting from your toes up the side of your leg up your thigh to your butt and just up your back, 5 times before you can even move your leg, this happens 6 more times and for 4 hours after taking Tylenol 3 only to have 30 minutes comfort, using Alcohol is not an option.
Weed not only STOPS the pain it masks it for hours after.
I have to suffer because other people still have the mentality that 90% of the people who use, use it to get high only. ac_crying
Before you start posting how you are so against it, think about the people who actually NEED to use it. Think of this plant that can be put in pill form just like any other pain med. Get your mind of of the 1970's
Just sayin.
Keeper, my heart breaks for anyone suffering in pain..
I believe most people that use marijuana are not using it to alleviate pain.
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Want the sample. ac_smile
You want to try it Priscilla?
ac_wot
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Why do you say that?
Currently in Canada, it'd not that "all or nothing" situation.
Medical pot IS legal (good), even though recreational, for lack of a better word, is not . Whether rec pot is legal or not does not stop medical use in this country
RW said her doc won't prescribe it .. now THAT is a problem that keeps her from accessing regulated and scientifically blended and categorized material. In most of the rec market, you have no idea what compounds and contaminants you are getting. That is not good
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No, actually they don't.
People who have access to marijuana for medical reasons have to qualify to access product by going through medical channels.
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Why do you say that?
Currently in Canada, it'd not that "all or nothing" situation.
Medical pot IS legal (good), even though recreational, for lack of a better word, is not . Whether rec pot is legal or not does not stop medical use in this country
RW said her doc won't prescribe it .. now THAT is a problem that keeps her from accessing regulated and scientifically blended and categorized material. In most of the rec market, you have no idea what compounds and contaminants you are getting. That is not good
My doctor outright spazzed. She offered me Oxycodone instead of even so much as talking to me about marijuana. I still can't get over it.
I'm sorry to hear that ..... many docs do prescribe now but some are still back in the dark ages
I live in pot growing Mecca so it's insane to see doctors so closed about the stuff.
You are ignoring a key issue with pot.
It makes you feel good. above and beyond its medicinal efficacy.
No drug is GOOD for you. Anything that alters the body's functional processes is harmful, directly or indirectly.
Taking a medication that you enjoy taking is a recipe for abuse. Now, I'm not saying don't take it...I AM saying take it with the same caution and diligence you take any other medication. And remember...no medication is good. They exist to relieve or heal by assisting the body when it cannot do so itself.
Well thanks for that lecture on drug use inSPECTRE.
I'm using marijuana as a replacement for pain killers. I do it because it seems to be effective and I LIKE that better than the alternative. I'm aware that it alters my ability to function. I am legally impaired and cannot operate a motor vehicle. My response time is slowed. My memory is terrible. I accept these effects in leu of not being in pain.
You know what I'm saying...its a DRUG, to be treated with respect.
i smoked pot daily for years, am i normal ac_wot
I respect it every time it gives me relief from pain.
And you know what else? I can sleep at night because I can shut my head off and float away to the land where no fucks are given. Better than any antidepressant I've been on.
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I don't know. Are you?
I can sleep at night because I can shut my head off
i miss sleeping at night
I'm confused.
i have not had a toke or a good nights sleep in 6 years. i miss sleeping at night
Maybe the two are related.
for medical purposes pot is great. i have seen it first hand, change peoples lives while on chemo or other treatments and illnesses.
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If it is used only for medical purposes I guess it is ok.
If you don't approve, don't use it. I've run through a gauntlet of drugs only to find this one works.
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http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/medical-marijuana-legal-in-all-forms-supreme-court-rules-1.3109148
... i agree with the health minister rona ambrose on this one. there's just not enough emphasis on the negative aspects of marijuana. and the courts should stay out of it anyway. marijuana policy should be set by the sitting government, not lawyers and judges ...
And how long have people been using marijuana. What a joke sharkie.
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http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/medical-marijuana-legal-in-all-forms-supreme-court-rules-1.3109148
... i agree with the health minister rona ambrose on this one. there's just not enough emphasis on the negative aspects of marijuana. and the courts should stay out of it anyway. marijuana policy should be set by the sitting government, not lawyers and judges ...
That raises another issue sh. Should courts be deciding policy? I am as uncomfortable with high court judges making policy as I am the senate introducing legislation. Judges and senators are appointees.
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I now agree, if it has real medicinal uses, then prescribed use is acceptable..
If the purpose is to get high, then it should be illegal or at least strongly discouraged..
I feel the same way about alcohol.
Followup - Mainly for RW, but open for others
UPDATE on my use of medical pot and other attempts for relief:
In the end, medical pot provided me a bit of short lived relief on some occasions, but did not come close to being a solution for me in the end. I am very pleased that it helps you and many others appreciably.
FINALLY - After 2 years of excruciating and 24/7 lower back pain, after trying many pain killers, and after fucked up nerve burning by one of our failed healthcare system's multicult dipshit incompetents making it a lot worse, .... and after medical pot not doing very much of a satisfactory job except to blitz me, Monday late I was given a low dose fentanyl patch prescription .. and I "may" just get some of my life back.
A substantial, not total, relief started after 2 hours ... and through a second day into a third .. the very first touch of relief I have encountered in 2 years. So far, I am close to ecstatic being able to stand and walk straight up and pick up some of my life .. or at least it appears am headed in that direction now
I promise to destroy my used patches and not sell any to "recreational pharmacists", as I am aware of what is going on in the illicit recreational area.
Oh, and our MD figures things don't add up on the results of local anesthetic tests done before procedures (astoundingly great) vs. the results of actual nerve deadening procedures (extremely lousy, even got worse) and he suspects gross incompetence, so he got me a "second opinion" appointment on it all. Just maybe it will get another try by a competent specialist.
A correct and successful procedure would of course be a better option than any drug or pot
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UPDATE on my use of medical pot and other attempts for relief:
In the end, medical pot provided me a bit of short lived relief on some occasions, but did not come close to being a solution for me in the end. I am very pleased that it helps you and many others appreciably.
FINALLY - After 2 years of excruciating and 24/7 lower back pain, after trying many pain killers, and after fucked up nerve burning by one of our failed healthcare system's multicult dipshit incompetents making it a lot worse, .... and after medical pot not doing very much of a satisfactory job except to blitz me, Monday late I was given a low dose fentanyl patch prescription .. and I "may" just get some of my life back.
A substantial, not total, relief started after 2 hours ... and through a second day into a third .. the very first touch of relief I have encountered in 2 years. So far, I am close to ecstatic being able to stand and walk straight up and pick up some of my life .. or at least it appears am headed in that direction now
I promise to destroy my used patches and not sell any to "recreational pharmacists", as I am aware of what is going on in the illicit recreational area.
Oh, and our MD figures things don't add up on the results of local anesthetic tests done before procedures (astoundingly great) vs. the results of actual nerve deadening procedures (extremely lousy, even got worse) and he suspects gross incompetence, so he got me a "second opinion" appointment on it all. Just maybe it will get another try by a competent specialist.
A correct and successful procedure would of course be a better option than any drug or pot
I was a regular pot smoker from the age of 17 to I think 28 or 29. It was entirely for recreational purposes. But, if I get chronic pain I would be looking for someone else. I would probably start with weed. But if I was getting piss poor results I would be looking for something that did more than make me stoned. So many remedies and treatments are pure quackery.
Many are
I did initially get some relief from medical pot - I used mixtures high in CBD and low in THC the "get high" component.
One can buy medical pot in many combinations / ratios, otherwise I could not have used it
It apparently works well for some, but never really did the trick in the long run for me
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I did initially get some relief from medical pot - I used mixtures high in CBD and low in THC the "get high" component.
One can buy medical pot in many combinations / ratios, otherwise I could not have used it
It apparently works well for some, but never really did the trick in the long run for me
I know someone that's been using it for years. But he still complains about pain. Maybe he needs to change it up a bit. Or maybe like yourself the medicinal value wore off.
Quote from: "cc la femme"
UPDATE on my use of medical pot and other attempts for relief:
In the end, medical pot provided me a bit of short lived relief on some occasions, but did not come close to being a solution for me in the end. I am very pleased that it helps you and many others appreciably.
FINALLY - After 2 years of excruciating and 24/7 lower back pain, after trying many pain killers, and after fucked up nerve burning by one of our failed healthcare system's multicult dipshit incompetents making it a lot worse, .... and after medical pot not doing very much of a satisfactory job except to blitz me, Monday late I was given a low dose fentanyl patch prescription .. and I "may" just get some of my life back.
A substantial, not total, relief started after 2 hours ... and through a second day into a third .. the very first touch of relief I have encountered in 2 years. So far, I am close to ecstatic being able to stand and walk straight up and pick up some of my life .. or at least it appears am headed in that direction now
I promise to destroy my used patches and not sell any to "recreational pharmacists", as I am aware of what is going on in the illicit recreational area.
Oh, and our MD figures things don't add up on the results of local anesthetic tests done before procedures (astoundingly great) vs. the results of actual nerve deadening procedures (extremely lousy, even got worse) and he suspects gross incompetence, so he got me a "second opinion" appointment on it all. Just maybe it will get another try by a competent specialist.
A correct and successful procedure would of course be a better option than any drug or pot
I'm so thrilled to hear you've found some relief. You should have some cake and champagne to celebrate!
I'm going on a month now of a trigeminal neuralgia relapse and despite the upping of my drug doses, it's not getting better. In fact, it's getting worse. They've mention steroid infusions and surgical intervention but I'm not convinced surgery will work.
The marijuana takes the edge off at night but I am limited in the strains I can get locally so it's not giving me a lot of relief. I get a bit though so it's better than nothing I suppose.
Again, I'm so pleased to hear you have found something that is working.
I read some news about fetanyl. Please stand by.
^ Jeeze Herm old buddy. I need to change my fetanyl patch soon - put on a new potent one
Don't leave me hanging
ac_smile
Quote from: "cc la femme"
Don't leave me hanging
ac_smile
Fetanyl is forty times more potent than heroin.
Yes, it is on a weight or volume scale
That said, there is so little on the patch that it appears to the eye as nothing but a plastic sticky piece.
Point being that everything is power / gm / actual amount used
Quote from: "cc la femme"
That said, there is so little on the patch that it appears to the eye as nothing but a plastic sticky piece.
Point being that everything is power / gm / actual amount used
trace amounts
Exactly. Previously was on the new Bu Trans - a very powerful opiate and a patch about 2 " square = 4 square inches & the layer of drug was visible to the eye
Fentanyl patch is about 1/2 " x 1" = 1/2 sq inch and the layer of drug is not visible to the eye
People using it, ingesting it in fact, as made by amateurs are taking their life in their hands as shown by the horrid stats. Amounts cannot be controlled without the precise professional equipment.
If there is enough that you can see, you likely will not live through it
So, I committed an immoral act and actually listened to the CBC last night.
The info was well researched and the sources were very legit, one being the manager of a trauma facility that is only too familiar with ODs.
Unlike the oxycodone situation where illegal drugs were made directly from legal drugs (oxycodone being one ingredient), the illegal Fentanyl material sold to junkies is NOT made from prescription drugs at all.
It is made from 2 or more imported legal (so far) powdered materials that are then combined by amateurs into Fentanyl - and then added to heroin for extra bang = return sales if done correctly.
Because it is so incredibly potent they are working with minuscule amounts and quite often amateur illegal drug factories accidentally add fatal amounts.
Quote from: "RW"
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/medical-marijuana-legal-in-all-forms-supreme-court-rules-1.3109148
That shit is bad for you.
Karl Marx once said that religion is the opium of the masses.
If he were alive today, he'd be flabbergasted as to the extent as to how pervasive drug use has become, and how literally his dictum has been transformed into reality.
Governments push this shit on their people because they have nothing to offer them, and it deflects attention from their own misdeeds and corruption. And how broke the country and its citzenry really are. So feed 'em drugs, marijuana & morphine & then they become oblivious as to what's really going on.
Quote from: "Frank"
It's not bad for the thousands it helps.
There are thousands of deaths in Canada every year due to alcohol. How many deaths are due to marijuana? Zero.
The government hasn't been trying to push it. That's ridiculous. It's been people pushing the government.
edit
So Franky Baby:
Please show us where
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The only street-illegal drug the govt even touches is Medical pot .. and all it does is begrudgingly ALLOW it to be obtained with an MD's prescription ... a far cry from "push" .. well, except within your mind
Further, short of a couple of known crack"pot" ac_biggrin states, no govt even allows, let alone "pushes" any non-prescription mind altering drug throughout N America
So what are you blabbering on about?
Edit - Smiling @ RW's correction below
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "RW"
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/medical-marijuana-legal-in-all-forms-supreme-court-rules-1.3109148
That shit is bad for you.
Karl Marx once said that religion is the opium of the masses.
If he were alive today, he'd be flabbergasted as to the extent as to how pervasive drug use has become, and how literally his dictum has been transformed into reality.
Governments push this shit on their people because they have nothing to offer them, and it deflects attention from their own misdeeds and corruption. And how broke the country and its citzenry really are. So feed 'em drugs, marijuana & morphine & then they become oblivious as to what's really going on.
Considering Marx's comment is about RELIGION not drug use, I doubt he'd be "flabbergasted".