I wasn't sure if this qualifies as politics or not. I generally don't think of immigration as election issue. Anyway, the red people will decide if it needs to be moved or not. I really like how the Conservatives have handled this file. More good immigrants and fewer refugees(most of whom are economic migrants that don't have the skills to immigrate here).
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Yes, the Harper government has made it more meaningful to become a Canadian citizen.
It's no longer possible, as it was for nearly 40 years, to show up in Canada out of the blue, demand a passport and be given one.
For nearly four decades under Pierre Trudeau, then Brian Mulroney and then Jean Chretien, nearly anyone could ignore the rules or break them in coming to Canada and still be rewarded with a citizenship card.
The other three numbers to take away from the Harper era:
In the past nine years, Ottawa has gotten better at keeping out and kicking out people who shouldn't be here, while at the same time maintaining the generosity Canada is renowned for.
In 2005, 28,000 criminals had been ordered deported by the courts in the previous two decades, but they were on the honour system to leave the country.
Many had committed murder, rape or drug deals, but we didn't escort them out.
We took them at their word they would leave. No longer. Deportation means bye-bye.
Much was said around Canada Day and the citizenship swearing-in ceremonies about how the Conservatives have changed Canadian citizenship.
There were charges the Tories have closed Canada's doors, destroyed multiculturalism, adopted a mean spirit towards newcomers and created two tiers of citizenship.
What rubbish.
Liberal MP Arnold Chan from the Ontario riding of Scarborough-Agincourt told an online news site Canada Day reminded him Conservative laws aimed at cutting down on criminal and fraudulant immigrants had made him – the son of immigrants – feel like a "hyphenated Canadian", a second-class citizen.
Liberals often engage in guilt-and-shame rhetoric whenever anyone challenges no-barriers, open-immigration policies: You're either with them or you're a racist.
But the stats don't back up Chan's claim.
The Conservatives have made citizenship mean something again, for native-born Canadians and naturalized citizens alike.
The Tories are fighting in the courts to make sure refugees receive the same health benefits as citizens. (Currently refugees receive more generous benefits.)
Ottawa has cracked down on fraudulent immigration consultants who game the system on behalf of clients, usually by setting up phony Canadian addresses so their clients can claim residency.
The Tories have introduced a new citizenship guide promoting Canadian values, including equality for women, that not all newcomers share when they arrive.
They have coordinated the efforts of the Justice department, Public Safety, the RCMP and Foreign Affairs to ensure terrorists do not sneak into the country claiming to be refugees.
They have scaled back family-class immigration, especially for elderly parents and grandparents.
"Canada is the most generous country in the world with respect to immigration," former immigration minister Jason Kenney explained once, "but there are practical limits to what even a generous nation can afford."
The Tories aren't anti-immigrant. They're against the silly immigration policies of the past.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/07/07/harper-tories-racist-what-rubbish
What about his temp foreign worker policy?
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They went the other way on that one. A contractor I use sometimes, had to send his guys back to Poland.
Canadians should be employed first - always.
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Absolutely, but sometimes it can be difficult to find Canadians with the required skill set. Not right now though, send them all home.
Then we need to focus on training rather than bringing in foreign workers.
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We need to rethink the entire apprenticeship program. Eight weeks a fucking year in a classroom collecting the pittance of EI? How retarded!! I know European tradesmen that have told me they would never have entered the trades if they had to do it on this continent.
Tell me how it should be revamped.
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Flexibilty. The average age of a an apprentice is no longer 19. It's closer to 30 nowadays. Often apprentices today are not living with mommy and daddy, but supporting kids of their own. They cannot afford the steep pay cut that goes along with sitting in a classroom for two months. One of my contractors has a program where you can do one day a week in class. There is also weekend classes and over the internet. The trades still think it's the 1970's.
Education in general has become dated. The stupid classes students take that aren't relevant to the job chaps my ass. We need faster turn around where possible with more hands on experience built in.
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Anyway, I'm glad the feds have cracked down on scammers.
Yeah. Can't complain about that.
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Yes, the Harper government has made it more meaningful to become a Canadian citizen.
It's no longer possible, as it was for nearly 40 years, to show up in Canada out of the blue, demand a passport and be given one.
For nearly four decades under Pierre Trudeau, then Brian Mulroney and then Jean Chretien, nearly anyone could ignore the rules or break them in coming to Canada and still be rewarded with a citizenship card.
The other three numbers to take away from the Harper era:
In the past nine years, Ottawa has gotten better at keeping out and kicking out people who shouldn't be here, while at the same time maintaining the generosity Canada is renowned for.
In 2005, 28,000 criminals had been ordered deported by the courts in the previous two decades, but they were on the honour system to leave the country.
Many had committed murder, rape or drug deals, but we didn't escort them out.
We took them at their word they would leave. No longer. Deportation means bye-bye.
Much was said around Canada Day and the citizenship swearing-in ceremonies about how the Conservatives have changed Canadian citizenship.
There were charges the Tories have closed Canada's doors, destroyed multiculturalism, adopted a mean spirit towards newcomers and created two tiers of citizenship.
What rubbish.
Liberal MP Arnold Chan from the Ontario riding of Scarborough-Agincourt told an online news site Canada Day reminded him Conservative laws aimed at cutting down on criminal and fraudulant immigrants had made him – the son of immigrants – feel like a "hyphenated Canadian", a second-class citizen.
Liberals often engage in guilt-and-shame rhetoric whenever anyone challenges no-barriers, open-immigration policies: You're either with them or you're a racist.
But the stats don't back up Chan's claim.
The Conservatives have made citizenship mean something again, for native-born Canadians and naturalized citizens alike.
The Tories are fighting in the courts to make sure refugees receive the same health benefits as citizens. (Currently refugees receive more generous benefits.)
Ottawa has cracked down on fraudulent immigration consultants who game the system on behalf of clients, usually by setting up phony Canadian addresses so their clients can claim residency.
The Tories have introduced a new citizenship guide promoting Canadian values, including equality for women, that not all newcomers share when they arrive.
They have coordinated the efforts of the Justice department, Public Safety, the RCMP and Foreign Affairs to ensure terrorists do not sneak into the country claiming to be refugees.
They have scaled back family-class immigration, especially for elderly parents and grandparents.
"Canada is the most generous country in the world with respect to immigration," former immigration minister Jason Kenney explained once, "but there are practical limits to what even a generous nation can afford."
The Tories aren't anti-immigrant. They're against the silly immigration policies of the past.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2015/07/07/harper-tories-racist-what-rubbish
What is wrong with refuges Shen Li?
Refugees from where?
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From countries where they are persecuted SPECTRE..
My father was a democracy advocate and a Taiwan independence supporter persecuted under the regime of Chiang Kai Shek.
Well, you see, Fash...that's the problem. Like the words "sexist", "racist", "domestic violence" and "homophobic", its meaning has been so extended and distorted as to become almost meaningless.
What is "persecuted"? Being harassed, intimidated and threatened by government to the extent that you fear for your life certainly qualifies.
But leaving your country because you backed the wrong horse in armed insurrection, such as the Tamils?
The problem is that too many disgruntled, dissatisfied, disaffected and plainly unhappy people jump on boats claiming to be "refugees", and once again, we see a genuine human misery diluted by people who try to use the word to their benefit.
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What is "persecuted"? Being harassed, intimidated and threatened by government to the extent that you fear for your life certainly qualifies.
But leaving your country because you backed the wrong horse in armed insurrection, such as the Tamils?
The problem is that too many disgruntled, dissatisfied, disaffected and plainly unhappy people jump on boats claiming to be "refugees", and once again, we see a genuine human misery diluted by people who try to use the word to their benefit.
SPECTRE, no offense, but I don't think you fully understand the white terror period in Taiwan..
You may look at Taiwan today, which is probably the most democratic nation in the region as well as being rich..
But, it came at a price..
My father was one of the people who stood up to Chiang's US controlled puppet regime.
I don't think you read my post correctly.
There is a genuine category of people who can claim to be refugees. If your father fell into that category, then it is fair and reasonable to be given shelter.
But look at the world today. Every arab country is in disarray, and their inhabitants flood into European and Australian countries claiming to be "refugees" when what they are really doing is running away from their own mess.
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There is a genuine category of people who can claim to be refugees. If your father fell into that category, then it is fair and reasonable to be given shelter.
But look at the world today. Every arab country is in disarray, and their inhabitants flood into European and Australian countries claiming to be "refugees" when what they are really doing is running away from their own mess.
I don't know about the category of refugees today..
I do know Chiang Kai Shek was a thug.
So was Lee Kuan Yew, and President Suharto...he wasn't alone.
The world is full of thugs and bullies. But that does not mean we have a responsibility to open the doors to all of their victims.
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The world is full of thugs and bullies. But that does not mean we have a responsibility to open the doors to all of their victims.
Lee was not even close to the massacres Chiang inflicted on Taiwanese..
Remember Feb 28 47?
He still had control of the mainland then.
Fash, I made it clear there are circumstances where people can rightfully claim refugee status.
But like all forms of charity, it is now the subject of abuse and exploitation, particularly by people from nations that stood by why the world progressed into the 20th century, and who allowed despots, dictators, villains and brutes to control their countries.
The fact that the citizens of Libya stood by whilst a cruel and vile dictator took control of their country is not a problem MY country should have to deal with.
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The fact that the citizens of Libya stood by whilst a cruel and vile dictator took control of their country is not a problem MY country should have to deal with.
They didn't have much choice. The US and allies had superior air strike abilities.
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But like all forms of charity,
The fact that the citizens of Libya stood by whilst a cruel and vile dictator took control of their country is not a problem MY country should have to deal with.
BULLSEYE!!
There seems to be a greater diversity of immigrants from different nations coming in than before.
I see more people from Eastern Europe and South America.
I don't know if the numbers have changed, but for the longest time, it's been 25% of the immigrants have come from China or India.
They should definitely change that so its just 5% maximum for each, to make it fairer for everybody else.
Though the numbers may not reflect it, at least officially it's the immigration policy in the US.
Also - end immigration/citizenship based solely upon family re-unification of bloodlines.
I believe in the States, you can sponsor your parent but not your brothers and sisters.
Why should someone get into the country solely on the basis of blood relation?
Sure the original guy might have gotten in because he was an engineer, but why should his brother if he's only qualified to be a cashier at Wal-Mart.
Canada must help these refugees. Canada needs more people and we should help the unfortunate refugees.
How can we help refugees without taking them in?
The unfortunate iondividuals should be allowed to enjoy living in the west if this is what they desire.
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Agree we had no business interfering. That said, they had no choice in that. "stood by"? Wtf do you think they should or could have done against huge firepower? Those who tried died.
Even armed jihadis couldn't take him out without O'Child bombing Daffy. Now he has left them with a failed state with fanatics fighting for control ... ISIS now involved big time
Yet another triumph for the meddling community organizer
CBC news announced the government will implement tough new rules for employers who abuse the foreign worker program.
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Agree we had no business interfering. That said, they had no choice in that. "stood by"? Wtf do you think they should or could have done against huge firepower? Those who tried died.
Even armed jihadis couldn't take him out without O'Child bombing Daffy. Now he has left them with a failed state with fanatics fighting for control ... ISIS now involved big time
Yet another triumph for the meddling community organizer
While Stevens whisked away munitions for Syrian freedom fighters who then proceeded to bust across the Northern Iraqi border scooping up billions of hardware and gear. The US is ISIS.
Bigotry is no longer tolerable and Canada must help more of the less fortunate on this planet. The conservative government has made it far more difficult for east Indians and Chinese to come to Canada which is why I believe it is my duty to vote for Justin Trudeau.
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That's not true Lance..
There are both East Indian and Chinese members of parliament in the governing party.
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But they might be Chinese spies Joak. Worse than that they could be boxers with ball bearing lined gloves.
You nutjob :happy-smileys-emoticons193:
outed ^^
Stevens did what BillyBob's wife and O'Child told him to do. Yes, he did try to get a few weapons to the so-called freedom fighters who were then taken over by the later arriving ISIL > ISIS > IS
If the US had really wished to have any significant effect they would have just sent weapons themselves, and not left it to an insignificant minor player in Libya.
From closer up, it appears that O'Child has dithered on this from the gitgo and had little to no effect on anything, but I also know that Aussies from their superior vantage point always know best.
I hope you Aussies will create a blog and keep it up to date so we can find out what is really going on
Canada must free itself from this Nazi Conservative party which is try to make it more difficult for desperate Muslim refugees to be Canadians. Prime Minister Harper has made it far more difficult for East Indians and Chinese to come to Canada with their unfair demand that these people must speak English or French. The best choice is clear. Justin Trudeau cares about these people and will assure that these peoples suffering will be allieviated.
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:001_rolleyes:
Finally we have a Liberal government who will let everybody in who wants to live in Canada, the greatest nation on earth.
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How can we be the greatest nation on earth when we have so many Chinese traitors living among us? :icon_wink:
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How can we be the greatest nation on earth when we have so many Chinese traitors living among us? :icon_wink:
:laugh:
I You think that it is funny that someone calls Chinese people traitors ?