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Title: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: J0E on July 14, 2015, 05:27:10 AM
....this is an argument which has been advanced by religious friends of mine.



They say stuff like "No civilzation has ever held together by accepting gay marriage. That is a fact. Look at Rome and all the others. That's proof." Here's a link which lists some of the arguments against gay marriage



https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/2905/31-arguments-against-gay-marriage-and-why-theyre-all-wrong



Now...I don't know if that's the truth or not. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Perhaps there were other factors which led to the downfall of these civilizations - or - homosexuality and gay marriage are just symptoms of fundamental problems.which were percolating beneath the surface for a very long time



Anyways, what do you foks think. Is there any truth in that belief?



If so, why?



If not, why not and what are the flaws in this argument? Discuss.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2015, 05:54:49 AM
Nope. Society has already fallen apart.  From a Christian stand point, this could be a separation of the wheat and tears.  But it's right on time with all the end time prophesys we are seeing now.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2015, 05:55:58 AM
I was hoping it would open a more honest dialog, put us all on the level to respect eachother, but sadly it's going in other direction.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Frood on July 14, 2015, 06:04:35 AM
It's going in a direction your faith can't accept because your faith only accepts itself as the ultimate guide. That's its biggest defect. Intolerance of anything which might unseat it in social power struggles and vacuums.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2015, 06:33:51 AM
The body of Christ isn't interested in social power. Or control. That's right/left mentality that you are incapable of breaking out of....and because of that, you have serious anti Christian bias, an ignorance of the faith, and intolerance of people who don't bow down to your world view.  Believe and live how you want, however, afford the same respect to other people. Why do you care if my faith is my ultimate authority?  Grow up.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Frood on July 14, 2015, 06:41:11 AM
Quote from: "Dove"The body of Christ isn't interested in social power. Or control. That's right/left mentality that you are incapable of breaking out of....and because of that, you have serious anti Christian bias, an ignorance of the faith, and intolerance of people who don't bow down to your world view.  Believe and live how you want, however, afford the same respect to other people. Why do you care if my faith is my ultimate authority?  Grow up.


I don't care one bit which cloud monsters you prostate your philosophy towards. You whack jobs can do whatever you like as long as you equally afford others what they see as their directions.



You don't have to agree, you don't have to attend, you don't have to say or do anything besides minding your own business.



Your damage shouldn't ever be applied to a free society.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2015, 06:50:10 AM
Yeah. Ever read animal farm?  You need to work on your hatred towards other people if you want a serious talk about a truly free society and who is applying their "damage".   As alien as this may be to you, it's possible to disagree with people while still having respect for differences, and not spewing venom.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Frood on July 14, 2015, 07:30:01 AM
Quote from: "Dove"Yeah. Ever read animal farm?  You need to work on your hatred towards other people if you want a serious talk about a truly free society and who is applying their "damage".


My hatred?  ac_toofunny



YOU have this peculiar trait where you say you respect others yet demand they subscribe to some of the more unscrupulous fallout of your own equally peculiar ideology. A free society doesn't put restrictions on other people who don't follow the Koran, Torah, or Bible. A free society accommodates all sorts equally.



Are you completely bonkers?  


QuoteAs alien as this may be to you, it's possible to disagree with people while still having respect for differences, and not spewing venom.


I disagree with you, find you to be a complete and utter moron, yet I support you in it to the logical end. YOUR LIFE, not other lives. You talk about respect for differences, you speak of tolerance, you speak out of the side of your mouth. Anyone or any pathway which doesn't somewhat mirror your own beliefs gets vilified by you. You'll oscillate between your spirituality or your State or even Anarchy to what amounts to you grappling in a moral authority preservation grab.  



It's horrific to watch you in action on that. Logic goes completely out the door when you get on your religion soapbox.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2015, 07:45:05 AM
I've destroyed your ridiculous hypocrital mentality so bad I can't believe you still clinging.   The projection you are throwing out is probably the main reason why no one, except rw, is taking you even slightly seriously.  You ARE the religious right. Same shit...same ignorance....different tags.  It's like a drunken old man sitting there talking about "niggers" being entitled to the same rights as everyone else and he is cool as long as they stay in their "nigger nieghborhoods" and do their "niggers stuff" by themselves. That's what you sound like. A hateful, ignoramus who is playing "balance police" when you are failing horrifically at having any.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2015, 07:46:28 AM
Believe me, it's a complement that you think I'm an utter idiot.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Frood on July 14, 2015, 07:59:47 AM
ac_toofunny



It must suck being you, being so easily reduced to a puddle of religious and pseudo moral psycho babble when faced with the concept of letting others live their lives outside of your spiritual concrete slab lickings.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2015, 08:15:38 AM
It must suck to be you, not passing 4th grade level reading comprehension and being forced to share space with people who don't want to fuck each other indiscriminately in the streets in front of grandma and people's children. I'm not the one bullying and policing other people. That would be you.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Frood on July 14, 2015, 08:59:14 AM
I would quietly watch if someone from another religion slit your throat.



You're all that worthless in your pitiful attempts at appealing towards social order that I'd be happy blinking for 5 seconds and then suddenly seeing you laying on the ground bleeding out like a loser butt hurt religion nutter.



 ac_smile



If I saw it actually happen, then I'd be obliged to help you escape harm. That is my way of life. See? I'm tolerant of your stupidity.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2015, 09:07:18 AM
You aren't impressive, DD. You are a pathetic mental midget who needs to rely on your perceived shock value because you have no intellectual leg to stand on.  I'm sure you'd love watching a young mother be murdered, because you don't like her convictions. You, and your intolerant ilk, are what's wrong with the world. Get help. Seriously. You need help. I feel sad for you. How do you live with such ugliness?
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Frood on July 14, 2015, 09:28:26 AM
Whatever you reckon, you clueless and hypocritical christ whisperer.  :oeudC:
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2015, 09:40:16 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"I would quietly watch if someone from another religion slit your throat.



You're all that worthless in your pitiful attempts at appealing towards social order that I'd be happy blinking for 5 seconds and then suddenly seeing you laying on the ground bleeding out like a loser butt hurt religion nutter.



 ac_smile



If I saw it actually happen, then I'd be obliged to help you escape harm. That is my way of life. See? I'm tolerant of your stupidity.
  Regardless of your delusions of ME being "intolerant", and "needing a clue",  I would never even think something this foul to another person, least of all SAY it to another person.  I honestly don't think you should be allowed to work with the vulnerable public.  That being said, I'm no longer addressing you or reading any of this insane and hateful, meaningless bullshit you are spewing. Therapy. Get some.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Frood on July 14, 2015, 09:53:44 AM
Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"I would quietly watch if someone from another religion slit your throat.



You're all that worthless in your pitiful attempts at appealing towards social order that I'd be happy blinking for 5 seconds and then suddenly seeing you laying on the ground bleeding out like a loser butt hurt religion nutter.



 ac_smile



If I saw it actually happen, then I'd be obliged to help you escape harm. That is my way of life. See? I'm tolerant of your stupidity.
  Regardless of your delusions of ME being "intolerant", and "needing a clue",  I would never even think something this foul to another person, least of all SAY it to another person.  I honestly don't think you should be allowed to work with the vulnerable public.  That being said, I'm no longer addressing you or reading any of this insane and hateful, meaningless bullshit you are spewing. Therapy. Get some.




How ironic that you suggest I'm somehow insane or hateful when you can't even allow limited people from the LGBT community to march unclothed through cordoned off streets for 1-3 hours per year, even after months of forewarning.



YOU and your cloud worshipers seem to think you own the streets. YOU and your cloud worshipers seem to think that you can dictate behavior upon non cloud worshiping persons. YOU and your discriminatory faction from your cloud worshiping congregations believe you've got the final say on matters of ethics, morality, or philosophy?



YOU and your fellow moron quotient need to suck a really rancid dick, say perhaps jesus's, if it ever existed. Say the word if you need me to shit on and re-moisturize it for you. The guy hung out with 12 men for decades while drinking wine and sleeping next to one another.



Your entire religion is based on homosexuality from a cult leader.  ac_toofunny
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Gay Boy Roberto on July 14, 2015, 12:40:28 PM
For a single guy in his forties who has never been married, Joe expresses way too much interest in gay anything, but especially gay marriage. Gay marriage has been around for a decade now, with no sign of society falling apart.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: RW on July 14, 2015, 01:35:07 PM
Ladies!  Ladies!  Getting a little hot up in here!



Society is just fine.  Frank.  Not so much :)
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Frood on July 14, 2015, 02:15:37 PM
I'd like to apologize to Dove for insisting that her religious beliefs shouldn't apply to those around her.



It was wrong of me to expect equal time in Marches or any contrary belief to the three main religions at any time of the year, even an hour's worth at one moment in the 365 day year.



It was disrespectful of me, completely out of line, and I'm ever so sorry for even contemplating a world where religions don't get to make the rules then cry foul at non-participants who question the validity of them.



I can only hope that the spirit of some cloud fuckwit enters me soon, like it did into Dove's cunt, and shows me the error of my logic thinking ways.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: cc on July 14, 2015, 02:48:26 PM
sincerity makes me cry
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Romero on July 14, 2015, 02:56:22 PM
Quote from: "Frank"Here's a link which lists some of the arguments against gay marriage



https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/2905/31-arguments-against-gay-marriage-and-why-theyre-all-wrong

Oops, you must have miswrote that sentence because the article you provided is obviously and clearly in support of gay marriage.


Quote31 arguments against gay marriage (and why they're all wrong)



In rallying in opposition to marriage reform, religious campaigners claim that their arguments are grounded in reason and common sense. But take a closer look and you'll spot the homophobia, says Jason Wakefield



I am a gay man who, when arguing for gay marriage, has been called "lesser", "unnatural", "deviant" and "sinful". In these arguments the love I have for my fiancé has been belittled as just "sex" or only "friendship". I have been told my natural urges are a choice. I have been told I do not deserve equal rights. I have even been told I am going to hell. Furthermore, I have been told it is offensive to brand such remarks "bigoted", and that I am the bully.



I do not believe all opponents of gay marriage are hateful. Some have just not been exposed to the right arguments, and so I will demonstrate here that each anti-gay marriage argument ultimately serves to oppress or imply the lesser status of the minority of which I am a part. In rallying against the introduction of equal marriage, religious campaigners have frequently stressed that their objections are not driven by homophobia, and have deployed numerous arguments to demonstrate this. To the untrained ear these arguments sound like they may have grounding in reason, but on closer inspection reveal themselves as homophobic.



What follows is a handy guide to spotting, and refuting, these arguments

Surely you must have read the article so we can only conclude that you've changed your mind and you now support gay marriage.



Thanks, Frank!



Good for you, Frank!
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: RW on July 14, 2015, 03:12:26 PM
Hahaha  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Wulf on July 14, 2015, 03:37:58 PM
I don't think it will fall apart because it's a moral and ethical imperative that we as a society accept gay and lesbian marriage. They already have a jump on heteros when it comes to domestic abuse and alcoholism so why not let them do there thing under the protection of a legal paper that legitimizes their union? :laugh3:  



//https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

//http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/a-same-sex-domestic-violence-epidemic-is-silent/281131/



Maybe it's the lack of societal support that causes lesbians to get all liquored up and beat the shit out of their partner. (You go girl  :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani: )



http://www.freep.com/story/life/2015/06/16/lesbians-drinking-alcohol/28800649/

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/446056-govt-study-explores-link-between-alcohol-abuse-domestic-violence



I have nothing against gays being gays; everyone has the right to screw themselves up to the max before they die. But you are never going to escape the fact that an inordinate number of them are mentally and emotionally fucked up due to the fact that their sexuality is out of step with most of society. Facts are facts regardless of their root cause.  ac_umm
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Frood on July 14, 2015, 03:48:27 PM
Quote from: "Wulf"I don't think it will fall apart but because it's a moral and ethical imperative that we as a society accept gay and lesbian marriage. They already have a jump on heteros when it comes to domestic abuse and alcoholism so why not let them do there thing under the protection of a legal paper that legitimizes their union? :laugh3:  



//https://mainweb-v.musc.edu/vawprevention/lesbianrx/factsheet.shtml

//http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/11/a-same-sex-domestic-violence-epidemic-is-silent/281131/



Maybe it's the lack of societal support that causes lesbians to get all liquored up and beat the shit out of their partner. (You go girl  :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani: )



http://www.freep.com/story/life/2015/06/16/lesbians-drinking-alcohol/28800649/

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/446056-govt-study-explores-link-between-alcohol-abuse-domestic-violence



I have nothing against gays being gays; everyone has the right to screw themselves up to the max before they die. But you are never going to escape the fact that an inordinate number of them are mentally and emotionally fucked up due to The fact that their sexuality is out of step with most of society. Facts are facts regardless of their root cause.  ac_umm


Were you talking about the LGBT community or religious people in general? I'd like some clarification, thanks.   :laugh3:
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Romero on July 14, 2015, 04:01:53 PM
Quote from: "Wulf"I have nothing against gays being gays; everyone has the right to screw themselves up to the max before they die. But you are never going to escape the fact that an inordinate number of them are mentally and emotionally fucked up due to the fact that their sexuality is out of step with most of society. Facts are facts regardless of their root cause.  ac_umm

"I have nothing against gays, I just think most of them are fucked up."



Why do you even bother saying you have nothing against gays when you so clearly do? Stop being so damned politically correct! Own the homophobia!
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Frood on July 14, 2015, 04:07:57 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Wulf"I have nothing against gays being gays; everyone has the right to screw themselves up to the max before they die. But you are never going to escape the fact that an inordinate number of them are mentally and emotionally fucked up due to the fact that their sexuality is out of step with most of society. Facts are facts regardless of their root cause.  ac_umm

"I have nothing against gays, I just think most of them are fucked up."



Why do you even bother saying you have nothing against gays when you so clearly do? Stop being so damned politically correct! Own the homophobia!


He won't own it because he's too stupid to realize he owns it by way of blurting it out.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Wulf on July 14, 2015, 04:32:23 PM
Both Dingo Dunny and Romero are obviously poured from the same mold. Neither of them can read worth a damn and the concept of sarcasm flies over their heads like something that should be carrying a stewardess.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Bricktop on July 14, 2015, 07:25:04 PM
Dinky Dumb may not realise that that comparison is an insult.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 14, 2015, 08:39:10 PM
Quote from: "Dove"Nope. Society has already fallen apart.  From a Christian stand point, this could be a separation of the wheat and tears.  But it's right on time with all the end time prophesys we are seeing now.

That's true, the downfall of society happened long before any of us were here.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: J0E on July 14, 2015, 10:56:56 PM
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Quote from: "Wulf"Both Dingo Dunny and Romero are obviously poured from the same mold. Neither of them can read worth a damn and the concept of sarcasm flies over their heads like something that should be carrying a stewardess.


LOL!  ac_toofunny



Yeah,they share some similarities, come ta think of it.

Only I'd wager that Dinky Di is a tad smarter and more incisive when presenting her arguments.



Romero on the other hand, is a well known young homosexual in these parts who doesnt seem totally comfortable in his own skin. This is why he frequently lashes out at others, especially his preceived enemies.

Often the structure of a Romero argument is to jump to his own conclusions, quote his opponent totally out of context, usually making scathing accusations about them. But you have to wonder about his reading comprehension, because he often doesn't understand the question or the arguments presented.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: RW on July 14, 2015, 11:29:22 PM
How do you know Romero is a homosexual?  Because everyone who disagrees with you must be gay?
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Romero on July 15, 2015, 12:32:59 AM
Quote from: "Frank"Romero on the other hand, is a well known young homosexual in these parts who doesnt seem totally comfortable in his own skin. This is why he frequently lashes out at others, especially his preceived enemies.

I'm not comfortable in my own skin? No, that would be you. I'm not the one feeling threatened. I'm not the one questioning my heterosexuality and masculinity.



If you're a real straight heterosexual dude, why are you so worried about not being able to stay one? It's quite strange that you believe you're only a gay away from becoming less straight than you wish to be. Issues?



I'm lashing out at others? You're the one starting all these homophobic threads! You don't see me bashing straights or anyone else.



A real heterosexual man loves to see hot chicks totally going at it with each other. Is that not gay? Is it not also totally awesome? Therefore, there must be balance. If real heterosexual men love to see hot chicks totally going at it with each other, then there must be gay guys.



It's the small price we heterosexual men must pay if we want to see hot chicks totally going at it with each other.



You seem a little insecure. I'm not. I've never been worried about gays and gay marriage changing me. I think it's time you manned up and grew some balls.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: RW on July 15, 2015, 12:37:17 AM
Just a Gay Away!  



Sounds like something a homosexual Rolling Stones cover band would sing.   :laugh:
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Bricktop on July 15, 2015, 01:37:58 AM
I'm a tri-sexual.



I'll try anything once!!!



 ac_lmfao
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Wulf on July 15, 2015, 08:00:43 AM
Romero says hetero guys like to watch hot chicks going at it.....that's very true but those hot chicks are generally not lesbians. Bi-curious.....yes but they are usually not dykes.



Real lesbians look like Kathy Bates with shorter hair.  Nobody wants to see that shit. :laugh:
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: the shark hunter on July 15, 2015, 07:27:41 PM
... society will not fall apart because of gay marriage or as a result of any other form of social union.  it's absurd to suggest it would.  the way i see it, gay marriage is only good for the lawyers because they'll get a new market from all those gay divorces ...
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: RW on July 15, 2015, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: "Wulf"Romero says hetero guys like to watch hot chicks going at it.....that's very true but those hot chicks are generally not lesbians. Bi-curious.....yes but they are usually not dykes.



Real lesbians look like Kathy Bates with shorter hair.  Nobody wants to see that shit. :laugh:

Tell that to Portia de Rossi.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 15, 2015, 09:43:45 PM
Quote from: "the shark hunter"... society will not fall apart because of gay marriage or as a result of any other form of social union.  it's absurd to suggest it would.  the way i see it, gay marriage is only good for the lawyers because they'll get a new market from all those gay divorces ...

I have no opinion about the state recognizing same sex marriage..



Secular marriage is only about the law.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Wulf on July 15, 2015, 10:02:32 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Wulf"Romero says hetero guys like to watch hot chicks going at it.....that's very true but those hot chicks are generally not lesbians. Bi-curious.....yes but they are usually not dykes.



Real lesbians look like Kathy Bates with shorter hair.  Nobody wants to see that shit. :laugh:

Tell that to Portia de Rossi.


One anomaly does not change the norm.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Bricktop on July 15, 2015, 10:28:19 PM
Quote from: "Wulf"


Real lesbians look like Kathy Bates with shorter hair.  Nobody wants to see that shit. :laugh:


The "Freakshow" version.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Wulf on July 16, 2015, 09:56:39 AM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "Wulf"


Real lesbians look like Kathy Bates with shorter hair.  Nobody wants to see that shit. :laugh:


The "Freakshow" version.


Exactly.



And some people wonder why there is such a high rate of alcoholism in the lesbian community. My theory is that it stems from a desperate need for "beer goggles".



I could be wrong but I have yet to see a better reason for getting half in a bag.  ac_biggrin
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on July 17, 2015, 06:52:12 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
That's true, the downfall of society happened long before any of us were here.


That's right. Remember Sodom and Gomorra? You know, sodomy and gomorry. :laugh3:
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: J0E on July 17, 2015, 09:43:53 AM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "Wulf"


Real lesbians look like Kathy Bates with shorter hair.  Nobody wants to see that shit. :laugh:


The "Freakshow" version.


I saw one of the Tegan and Sara twins walking down the street the other day. I think it was Tegan, because one of them lives in Vancouver:



(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Tegan_and_Sara_%40_NIB_Stadium_%284_12_2010%29_%285252473341%29.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/%20...%20341%29.jpg%22%3Ehttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Tegan_and_Sara_%40_NIB_Stadium_%284_12_2010%29_%285252473341%29.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)



She was very identifiable by that haircut of hers. She was dressed in the same kind of clothers she typically wears in her concerts. She's kind of smallish, fine-boned and petite.



Apparently, she's a Lesbian, so is her sister.



Anyways, I went up and said hello,told her I liked the song, Closer.

She smiled, said thanks.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 20, 2015, 10:35:07 PM
Quote from: "Frank"....this is an argument which has been advanced by religious friends of mine.



They say stuff like "No civilzation has ever held together by accepting gay marriage. That is a fact. Look at Rome and all the others. That's proof." Here's a link which lists some of the arguments against gay marriage



https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/2905/31-arguments-against-gay-marriage-and-why-theyre-all-wrong



Now...I don't know if that's the truth or not. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Perhaps there were other factors which led to the downfall of these civilizations - or - homosexuality and gay marriage are just symptoms of fundamental problems.which were percolating beneath the surface for a very long time



Anyways, what do you foks think. Is there any truth in that belief?



If so, why?



If not, why not and what are the flaws in this argument? Discuss.

Like it or not it has been accepted. Now you must accept or you are a homophobe.
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: J0E on July 20, 2015, 11:34:52 PM
Quote from: "Herman"Like it or not it has been accepted. Now you must accept or you are a homophobe.


That used ta be considered normal, eh?



Maybe the incident which changed everythin' & was the turnin' point in homo history was that famous pie throwin' episode in which ex Beauty paegant queen Anita Bryan brutally met her downfall when she opposed not jes' gay marriage, but homosexuality in general:







But Ms. Bryant, who once represented the majority of societal views, seems like a distant memory from the past now.





...Oh well!
Title: Re: Will society eventually fall apart if it accepts gay marriage?
Post by: Anonymous on July 21, 2015, 01:28:10 AM
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Herman"Like it or not it has been accepted. Now you must accept or you are a homophobe.


That used ta be considered normal, eh?



Maybe the incident which changed everythin' & was the turnin' point in homo history was that famous pie throwin' episode in which ex Beauty paegant queen Anita Bryan brutally met her downfall when she opposed not jes' gay marriage, but homosexuality in general:







But Ms. Bryant, who once represented the majority of societal views, seems like a distant memory from the past now.





...Oh well!

I never heard of Anita Bryant or this incident..



It's very childish though.
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