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Title: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: cc on July 20, 2015, 11:27:58 PM
REUTERS:



Prime Minister David Cameron said on Monday that moderate Muslims in Britain should speak out against Islamist militants, saying it was wrong to deny any connection between their religion and acts of violence. (//http)



Cameron outlined a counter-extremism strategy designed to halt the spread in Britain of the radical ideology promoted by Islamic State militants (IS or ISIL) in Syria and Iraq - what he called the "struggle of our generation".



He also demanded that internet companies do more to help fight the spread of radical ideologies.



An aim of the strategy will be to target "home-grown" militants. Around 700 Britons are estimated to have travelled to Syria and Iraq to join IS militants, some of whom have since returned.



Cameron said to meet that goal, the religious drivers behind extremism had to be acknowledged and that moderate Muslim voices needed to be heard.



"Simply denying any connection between the religion of Islam and the extremists doesn't work," he said. "It is an exercise in futility to deny that and more than that, it can be dangerous."

Announcing a range of initiatives, he singled out internet companies for criticism.



"When it comes to doing what's right for their businesses they're happy to engineer technologies that track our likes and our dislikes," he said, without naming specific firms.



"But when it comes to doing what's right in the fight against terrorism we too often hear that it's all too difficult - I'm sorry I just don't buy that."





We shall see if he follows through or is again cowed by islamist rhetoric. His past record of kissing ass has been atrocious, We shall see what we shall see.  
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 20, 2015, 11:28:48 PM
Here comes the excuses and failure to own up to the root of the problem by the very people who could resolve it  - same article



Interfaith group Faith Matters broadly welcomed the strategy but cautioned against placing the blame on religion.



"Positing ideology as the main driver overlooks a multitude of factors that drives individuals towards violent extremism," the group said in a statement.

 

"The oversimplification of the drivers towards radicalisation risk alienating swathes of British Muslims.





[sigh ... Surprise  Surprise  Surprise ] The only way this will ever calm down without terribly drastic measures taking place is if islamics own up that it is their supremacist ideology that is the driver  .. and rat out every wannabe jihadi - They know who the likely ones are right within their mosques. So far, very little have they helped - in ANY country
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: J0E on July 20, 2015, 11:47:56 PM
He got his coveted majority, cc.

So now he can say what he really thinks without fear of being voted out of office via a non-confidence vote.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 12:13:13 AM
A good point, but still does not completely explain  some of the surrender monkey things he said before  .. voluntarily



So, do you think islamics will clean up their mosques ?  .... and also rat out the bad ones/
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: RW on July 21, 2015, 12:52:30 AM
That is what needs to happen.  Islam needs to take care of their own and we need to support them in that.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 01:03:02 AM
To avoid VERY drastic action, they are the ONLY ones who can do it.



Because they have not done much already, I'm guessin they won't cooperate much at all .. maybe a token effort for looks ... try on the "victim" routine, cry "islamoFAUXbia" , whine, piss and moan, threaten are all more likely than true assistance



The initial reaction in the article is not a good start, but is consistent with past waffling  



Short of max effort on their part, at some point, the mosques will be cleaned out for them .. which, being very candid, is the moment I have feared but knew all along was coming at some point in the future



Most people do not appreciate the full extent to which it is a supremacist-based ideology and  supremacist-based ideologies are unlikely to dismantle themselves
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Bricktop on July 21, 2015, 01:45:46 AM
Quote from: "RW"That is what needs to happen.  Islam needs to take care of their own and we need to support them in that.


Islam doesn't WANT to take care of their own!!!



Don't you get it?? The so called "peaceful" muslims are at best, apathetic, and at worst, complicit in ALL of these outrages. They know what's going on in their mosques. They hear the mullahs spewing hatred and disdain. They know the world despises them more and more, and so think fighting back and becoming martyrs is a GOOD thing.



Weeds don't grow in thin air. They are fed and nurtured by the same soil as flowers and vegetables. The flowers and vegetables pretending the weeds don't exist is merely their own fear of retribution keeping them silent.



Let them fight and kill each other on their own soil. Humanity will not grieve their loss. But we can no longer pretend that their presence in our countries is sensible and reasonable.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 01:52:16 AM
Quoteat best, apathetic, and at worst, complicit in ALL of these outrages. [size=120]They know what's going on in their mosques[/size]. They hear the mullahs spewing hatred and disdain.

Quotewe can no longer pretend that their presence in our countries is sensible and reasonable.

I could not agree more strongly that I already do and have for a very long time



Now, this Cameron. Because of his past performance in this area, I'm very unsure of his motives and resolve. Talk is cheap. We shall see if he has finally become a man, or is just talking a good game
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Bricktop on July 21, 2015, 02:04:00 AM
If history is a guide, he's more mouth than trousers.



We can but hope that he will show some robustness that will inspire other national leaders to act. But it is just that...hope.



They are frightened of these sand monkeys for reasons I fail to follow. They are far from frightening. They are cowards. Don't be fooled by their barbarian acts amongst their own kind. Face to face, these dirt kissers are milksops.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: RW on July 21, 2015, 06:07:31 AM
Their own people know better than any what happens when you speak out yet are blamed for not speaking out due to fear.  That's not being complicit.  That's not wanting to be dead.



As I've said a million times, it's attitudes like yours that keep them silent Spec.  It's that very disdain that makes them not want to stand up and risk their lives.  We often forget that the first victim of Islamists is Islam itself.



i don't believe law enforcement can't infiltrate these places either and start making an example of these extremists.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Anonymous on July 21, 2015, 09:22:48 AM
Quote from: "cc la femme"To avoid VERY drastic action, they are the ONLY ones who can do it.



Because they have not done much already, I'm guessin they won't cooperate much at all .. maybe a token effort for looks ... try on the "victim" routine, cry "islamoFAUXbia" , whine, piss and moan, threaten are all more likely than true assistance



The initial reaction in the article is not a good start, but is consistent with past waffling  



Short of max effort on their part, at some point, the mosques will be cleaned out for them .. which, being very candid, is the moment I have feared but knew all along was coming at some point in the future



Most people do not appreciate the full extent to which it is a supremacist-based ideology and  supremacist-based ideologies are unlikely to dismantle themselves

Does the prime minister in Britain think he can count on moderate Muslims as partners cc la femme?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Frood on July 21, 2015, 11:38:08 AM
The irony is that the isolated instances of radicalized Muslims behaving badly are being used to radicalize Christians into treating Muslims with contempt, which then feeds back into radicalizing more disenfranchised Muslims and further Christians.



Which came first, the egg or the chicken and does it ultimately matter on the path of world wide social upheaval? Goodbye cohesion, hello population and freedom control.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 12:24:31 PM
Let me see if I have this right.



A supremacist ideology c/w its jihadis (its soldiers) comes here and we are to blame, it is the  victim



Followers of that supremacist ideology come here and we are to blame, they are the  victims



Islamics don't need you folks to play the victim card for them.

They have their own organizations and leaders to do that for them 24/7/365 and do it so well that many Westerners swallow it .. then regurgitate it for them.

Further, every minion (which is all followers are to leaders and soldiers),  is told how to play the recording verbatim.



A great plan and obviously extremely  effective
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 12:52:42 PM
QuoteIf history is a guide, he's more mouth than trousers.
 That is my concern with him. His past has been the very opposite  of what he said yesterday



We shall see what we shall see



Likely he will get internet companies to cooperate



islamics? Real help? I don't think he has it in him be tough enough



Even with toughness, I fail to see how the self-protections built into islam  can be circumvented.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Frood on July 21, 2015, 01:04:09 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Let me see if I have this right.



A supremacist ideology comes here and we are to blame, it is the  victim



Followers of that supremacist ideology come here and we are to blame, they are the  victims



Islamics don't need you folks to play the victim card for them.

They have their own organizations and leaders to do that for them 24/7/365 and do it so well that many Westerners swallow it .. then regurgitate it for them. Further, every minion, which is all followers are to leaders,  is told how to play the recording verbatim.



A great plan and obviously extremely  effective


You should investigate deeper into the history of the Middle East. The West set the modern goalposts through colonialism and the West has been moving them as it suits since. It goes without saying that goodwill by everyday peoples in the Middle East has taken numerous generational hits. Historically, it's actually nothing new if you recall the events around the Crusades. The fact that small numbers of people in that region and abroad have found solace in hardline religious ideologies (or political ones cloaked in religious facades) wouldn't be a surprise or point of feigned disdain for you.



You should look into it if you're open minded or a real Christian.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"Does the prime minister in Britain think he can count on moderate Muslims as partners cc la femme?
 If we are to take him at his word, apparently he does.



No one else ever has succeeded in that before but we will see 1. How hard he tries. 2. Methods he employs 3. The obstacles corporate islam will place in the way. 4. how he plans to get around them. and 5.  How successful it all is
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: RW on July 21, 2015, 01:12:27 PM
I think cc's point is that it is a growing number rather than a small one.



Muslims have been victims of many things over the centuries.  We seem to forget that in all of this and no, I'm not afraid to say it.  I understand we are talking about the present and their current behaviour but I always worry that we don't pay enough attention to what got us here in the first place.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: RW on July 21, 2015, 01:14:37 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"
Quote from: "Fashionista"Does the prime minister in Britain think he can count on moderate Muslims as partners cc la femme?
 If we are to take him at his word, apparently he does.



No one else ever has succeeded in that before but we will see 1. How hard he tries. 2. Methods he employs 3. The obstacles corporate islam will place in the way. 4. how he plans to get around them. and 5.  How successful it all is

For everyone who squawks he needs to ask them if they support terrorism.  If they don't, he should ask him why they aren't fighting harder to rid themselves of it.



Really though cc, why can't some intelligence root these nasty fuckers out?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 03:40:17 PM
I will attempt to address those at some point RW. Dealing with a 1400 year ingrained  supremacist-based ideology is extremely complex. Discussing how to deal with it is not just a short post.

There are no easy answers. There are no short  answers .. well short of the extreme. There are no pleasant answers.




Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"You should investigate deeper into the history of the Middle East. The West set the modern goalposts through colonialism and the West has been moving them as it suits since. It goes without saying that goodwill by everyday peoples in the Middle East has taken numerous generational hits. Historically, it's actually nothing new if you recall the events around the Crusades. The fact that small numbers of people in that region and abroad have found solace in hardline religious ideologies (or political ones cloaked in religious facades) wouldn't be a surprise or point of feigned disdain for you.

Aw, the old "crusades" ploy c/w all the excuses right out of the CAIR "play the victim" manual. Amazing how the sheep can be so easily manipulated .



Sorry, but we all have a problem within our own countries and all the victim cards in the world do not deal with solving it. They do perpetuate it and make it a lot harder to resolve though.


QuoteYou should look into it if you're open minded or a real Christian.
Whatever gave you the idea that I was either?  :001_tongue:



To date you are batting 0 on everything relevant and also everything irrelevant to resolution of the escalating problem in our lands. But keep swinging. You know the old "even a stopped clock is right ..... " thingy
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Frood on July 21, 2015, 03:45:36 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"You should investigate deeper into the history of the Middle East. The West set the modern goalposts through colonialism and the West has been moving them as it suits since. It goes without saying that goodwill by everyday peoples in the Middle East has taken numerous generational hits. Historically, it's actually nothing new if you recall the events around the Crusades. The fact that small numbers of people in that region and abroad have found solace in hardline religious ideologies (or political ones cloaked in religious facades) wouldn't be a surprise or point of feigned disdain for you.

Aw, the old "crusades" ploy c/w all the excuses right out of the CAIR "play the victim" manual. Amazing how the sheep can be so easily manipulated .



Sorry, but we all have a problem within our own countries and all the victim cards in the world do not deal with solving it. They do perpetuate it and make it a lot harder to resolve though.


I'm sorry. Which nation currently being drone striked, overrun by Western backed ISIS figurines, and economically manipulated to keep the residents in poverty and religious sect wars do you live in?


Quote
QuoteYou should look into it if you're open minded or a real Christian.
Whatever gave you the idea that I was either?  :001_tongue:



To date you are batting 0 on everything relevant and also everything irrelevant to resolution of the escalating problem in our lands. But keep swinging. You know the old "even a stopped clock is right ..... " thingy


I don't believe you understand the world around us. That's not an insult, just an observation.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 03:47:30 PM
And merely "your" observation



c/w no solutions offered
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Frood on July 21, 2015, 03:51:04 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"And your "observation"



c/w no solutions offered


I don't quite understand what you mean but rest assured I'll be back later in the next 24 hours to see what you respond with.



DD out (like a Nutella doughnut down a wog's pelican throat)  ac_hithere
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: RW on July 21, 2015, 04:17:59 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"
Aw, the old "crusades" ploy c/w all the excuses right out of the CAIR "play the victim" manual. Amazing how the sheep can be so easily manipulated .



Sorry, but we all have a problem within our own countries and all the victim cards in the world do not deal with solving it. They do perpetuate it and make it a lot harder to resolve though.

It is amazing how easily the sheep are manipulated, especially against Muslims.  Dinky makes a point.  They aren't the ones who have bombed the shit out of our nations, overthrown our governments, tried to establish their way of government in our countries, lied about reasons to war with us, etc.  I'm talking mostly about Arabic Muslims as they seem to be the one giving us the hardest time as of late.



What solution do you offer cc?  Eradication of Islam in our countries?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Romero on July 21, 2015, 04:23:30 PM
cc is all talk, no action. I've asked her if we should ban Islam, the Quran and Muslim immigrants.



Her response? "Do nothing".



She wants anyone and everyone else to do something for her. She'll repeat the same thing over and over again thousands of times on forums, but she won't even write our political leaders even once. Too politically correct.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 04:29:25 PM
Q - please come back to reality. At one time you actually dealt with reality on occasion.

It has been disappointing to see you operating mainly from imagination



Dinky



There was nothing to respond to. All you are doing is repeating the CAIR propaganda manual and playing the victim card for them ...merely  perpetuating the problem and making it harder to resolve a problem within that entered the West



I will ask you only one thing - how you think rehashing the past (some accurate, some islamobullshit) and making excuses for violent acts  can help "TODAY"'s problem of riding our societies of a supremacist-based ideology in our midst



Edit: Make that a question to anyone who makes excuses for violent behavior within our lands





RW: I truly hope there can be a "peaceful" solution to ridding our lands of this  supremacist-based ideology



 A "peaceful" solution will require great help from inside. Without that we have not even a starting point toward a "peaceful" solution



I do not expect to get help as all evidence says there will be little to none of it  ... but I hope to be proven wrong



You can see what the leaders are feeding their minions to fire them up "within in our lands"  from excuses given by dinky for one of many examples
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Romero on July 21, 2015, 04:42:03 PM
Do you want to ban Islam? No.



Do you want to ban the Quran? No.



Do you want to ban Muslim immigration? No.



Have you ever once written any of our political leaders? No.



"No solutions offered"
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 04:45:43 PM
This is not about me nor is it about your imagining things about me. Nor is it about your trying to deflect from Islam's violent behavior as per usual



It is about violent behavior of a supremacist-based ideology within our lands.

Cameron apparently is prepared to try some things. I support his ideas and hope that he can start something toward getting islam to clean up its act. I am not confident that will work at all, but it at least is an attempt to deal with supremacist-based ideology within our lands


 
QuoteI will ask you only one thing - how you think rehashing the past (some accurate, some islamobullshit) and making excuses for violent acts can help "TODAY"'s problem of riding our societies of a supremacist-based ideology in our midst



Edit: Make that a question to anyone who makes excuses for supremacist-based  violent behavior within our lands
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Romero on July 21, 2015, 04:59:54 PM
I don't see anyone here making excuses for violent acts. Nobody here is tolerating violent acts.



You got a quote for that baseless accusation? Of course you don't.



I do see someone making excuses for doing absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 05:06:42 PM
QuoteYou should investigate deeper into the history of the Middle East. The West set the modern goalposts through colonialism and the West has been moving them as it suits since. It goes without saying that goodwill by everyday peoples in the Middle East has taken numerous generational hits. Historically, it's actually nothing new if you recall the events around the Crusades. The fact that small numbers of people in that region and abroad have found solace in hardline religious ideologies (or political ones cloaked in religious facades) wouldn't be a surprise or point of feigned disdain for you.
Pray tell, how is that support / excuses helpful toward eliminating  Islamic violence here today
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Romero on July 21, 2015, 05:10:25 PM
I don't see any excusing of violent acts in that statement. Liar. Do nothing.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 05:14:47 PM
You wouldn't of course - I do. I really do not care how your mind works.



It is a big part of the very material that web sites, imams and mentors use to fire up the soldiers for allah ... successfully  I will add
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: RW on July 21, 2015, 05:54:16 PM
cc, I said the same thing back on DV about change needed to come from within Islam.  You say that isn't going to happen and given the current climate, I believe you.  So keeping that in mind, what should we do?  Have you heard of any decent suggestions?  Shen?  Spec?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 07:10:06 PM
Some of the best discussions I have had on islam have been with yourself. You seem to acknowledge there is a serious problem and are very concerned about everyday islamics so we have a solid and mutually agreed starting point. We have always agreed that change had to come from within.



For this thread I presented the best proposal put forward by any Western  leader to date.  While very skeptical of the most important element, I acknowledge a step for the West and wondered what others thought of it.



Other than yourself, no one has even tried to address Cameron's points.



I'm a tad confused on this termYou say that isn't going to happen and given the current climate, To be precise, I meant it isn't likely with islam period.  "Climate" is always the same within islam and I do not know what "current climate" would mean.



I'll be frank. Speaking for myself, I see no way to change islam even slightly. I do see a period of a supposed attempts to change under pressure resulting in none where the rubber meets the road   ... and ending with the worse case scenario at the end of the road.



That said, Cameron is trying. Some things he proposes are good and may slow things down a bit. I hope to be proved wrong on the one item that matters most ... islam giving up spewing hate for the West and being genuine citizens of the countries they reside in ... not merely citizens of islam residing in Western lands.



As to "intelligence" handling it, points can be scored  but winning that game is impossible. We can't and should not be expected to play defense forever. I'm amazed that we put ourselves into a position where we had to in the first place .. and have continued that losing game for some time
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Romero on July 21, 2015, 07:16:15 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Speaking for myself, I see no way to change islam even slightly.

Your Islamic employee and hairdresser won't change? Have you even bothered to ask them or are you too politically correct?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 07:23:42 PM
Quote from: "Notoriously PC person previously"RW, Other than yourself, no one has even tried to address Cameron's points.



RW. Did you leave the door open? There is a bee buzzing  around in here, avoiding Cameron's points like the plague but trying to sting me and  thankfully missing the mark by a mile ... errr...  by 1.60934 K ... as per usual.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: Bricktop on July 21, 2015, 08:02:33 PM
Quote from: "RW"Their own people know better than any what happens when you speak out yet are blamed for not speaking out due to fear.  That's not being complicit.  That's not wanting to be dead.



As I've said a million times, it's attitudes like yours that keep them silent Spec.  It's that very disdain that makes them not want to stand up and risk their lives.  We often forget that the first victim of Islamists is Islam itself.



i don't believe law enforcement can't infiltrate these places either and start making an example of these extremists.


My dear...if these rodents weren't in our own countries, we would care less what they do.



They bring their disease of religious dogma and obesiance with them to our country. No muslims, no problems.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 09:20:44 PM
QuoteAs I've said a million times, it's attitudes like yours that keep them silent Spec. It's that very disdain that makes them not want to stand up and risk their lives.
 I find that confusing



It is  disdain from within their close society, family and mosque members that keeps them silent AND in fear of their lives



You see, the rare Islamic who stands up to Islam ways is  treated  like a hero in non Islamic society.

They are what non islamics have been waiting for / hoping for  ......  it has been hopping for millions of such heros



Maybe I misunderstood your words because they sounded so counter to the reality to me
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 21, 2015, 09:36:02 PM
Blaming MY disdain for their barbarity and evil brutality is a stretch too far.



There is no chicken and egg situation here. Islam struck first on the 11th of September, and has continued its assault on our nations since.



Nobody of any intelligence will deny that Western nations have treated the Middle East with contempt in the past. But that is in the distant past. The last British soldier left that wasteland in 1947, whereupon they were left to their own devices.



Initially, it was Israel and Western support for it that was the ignition point (the Soviet Union was the first nation to recognise the State of Israel). Then it was solidarity with the Palestinians, a group largely rebuked and ignored by mainstream Arab nations. There is always an ignition point for these uncivilised, backward brutes, and there always will be.



No islam = no problems.



In answer to Romero's silly questions;



Yes

Yes

Yes

No.



Let them slaughter each other in the confines of their OWN barren and repugnant wastelands. They have no place in the modern world.



When they choose to change their conduct, then, perhaps they can be admitted into modern civilisation. If not, let them suffer in their own excrement.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: cc on July 21, 2015, 10:44:47 PM
silly questions, diversions .. our very own "savior" of islam  ..... if I can use that term  ac_smile
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 21, 2015, 11:27:50 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Blaming MY disdain for their barbarity and evil brutality is a stretch too far.



There is no chicken and egg situation here. Islam struck first on the 11th of September, and has continued its assault on our nations since.



Nobody of any intelligence will deny that Western nations have treated the Middle East with contempt in the past. But that is in the distant past. The last British soldier left that wasteland in 1947, whereupon they were left to their own devices.



Initially, it was Israel and Western support for it that was the ignition point (the Soviet Union was the first nation to recognise the State of Israel). Then it was solidarity with the Palestinians, a group largely rebuked and ignored by mainstream Arab nations. There is always an ignition point for these uncivilised, backward brutes, and there always will be.



No islam = no problems.



In answer to Romero's silly questions;



Yes

Yes

Yes

No.



Let them slaughter each other in the confines of their OWN barren and repugnant wastelands. They have no place in the modern world.



When they choose to change their conduct, then, perhaps they can be admitted into modern civilisation. If not, let them suffer in their own excrement.

Sorry quick one off...



Islam struck first on Sept 11th?!  Are you fucking kidding me?!?!



Read up boy - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: RW on July 21, 2015, 11:32:39 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Some of the best discussions I have had on islam have been with yourself. You seem to acknowledge there is a serious problem and are very concerned about everyday islamics so we have a solid and mutually agreed starting point. We have always agreed that change had to come from within.



For this thread I presented the best proposal put forward by any Western  leader to date.  While very skeptical of the most important element, I acknowledge a step for the West and wondered what others thought of it.



Other than yourself, no one has even tried to address Cameron's points.



I'm a tad confused on this termYou say that isn't going to happen and given the current climate, To be precise, I meant it isn't likely with islam period.  "Climate" is always the same within islam and I do not know what "current climate" would mean.



I'll be frank. Speaking for myself, I see no way to change islam even slightly. I do see a period of a supposed attempts to change under pressure resulting in none where the rubber meets the road   ... and ending with the worse case scenario at the end of the road.



That said, Cameron is trying. Some things he proposes are good and may slow things down a bit. I hope to be proved wrong on the one item that matters most ... islam giving up spewing hate for the West and being genuine citizens of the countries they reside in ... not merely citizens of islam residing in Western lands.



As to "intelligence" handling it, points can be scored  but winning that game is impossible. We can't and should not be expected to play defense forever. I'm amazed that we put ourselves into a position where we had to in the first place .. and have continued that losing game for some time

You flatter me cc.  The best conversations I have had about Islam have been with you as well.  I have learned so much from you on the subject.



The current climate is we fear them and they hate us.  That's a really shitty starting place for change.



I'm not talking about a defensive approach but a pro-active one that roots out extremism and nips it in the bud ASAP.  ZERO tolerance.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair??????????
Post by: RW on July 21, 2015, 11:39:01 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "RW"Their own people know better than any what happens when you speak out yet are blamed for not speaking out due to fear.  That's not being complicit.  That's not wanting to be dead.



As I've said a million times, it's attitudes like yours that keep them silent Spec.  It's that very disdain that makes them not want to stand up and risk their lives.  We often forget that the first victim of Islamists is Islam itself.



i don't believe law enforcement can't infiltrate these places either and start making an example of these extremists.


My dear...if these rodents weren't in our own countries, we would care less what they do.



They bring their disease of religious dogma and obesiance with them to our country. No muslims, no problems.

What do we bring to their countries Spec?



Here's a few clues:



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Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 21, 2015, 11:40:52 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"
QuoteAs I've said a million times, it's attitudes like yours that keep them silent Spec. It's that very disdain that makes them not want to stand up and risk their lives.
 I find that confusing



It is  disdain from within their close society, family and mosque members that keeps them silent AND in fear of their lives



You see, the rare Islamic who stands up to Islam ways is  treated  like a hero in non Islamic society.

They are what non islamics have been waiting for / hoping for  ......  it has been hopping for millions of such heros



Maybe I misunderstood your words because they sounded so counter to the reality to me

cc, tell me something.  Why would a Muslim want to stand up beside us Westerns and fight for change within Islam?  So they can face an attitude where they are seen as pieces of shit?  I doubt that highly.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: cc on July 22, 2015, 05:24:46 PM
I do understand your concerns and heard what you are saying. I had already mentioned the effects of trying to tame down mosques in both areas, within our society and within Islamic society



As you already quoted me saying:
QuoteYou see, the rare Islamic who stands up to Islam ways is treated like a hero in non Islamic society.

They are what non islamics have been waiting for / hoping for ...... it has been hopping for millions of such heros

QuoteIt is disdain from within their close society, family and mosque members that keeps them silent AND in fear of their lives

Here's a great example of Boston mosques quoted in today's news.



Moderate imam reveals how radicals won battle for soul of Boston mosques (//http)



A moderate imam who raised alarms more than a decade ago about a radical shift at two controversial Boston mosques he led for decades says he was ousted for his efforts by a local doctor whose son joined ISIS and replaced by a man now with the infamous Pakistani terrorist group behind the 2008 Mumbai bombings.



Imam Talal Eid told FoxNews.com that creeping radicalism put him increasingly at odds in the late 1990s with the board of directors of the Islamic Center of New England, where he served from 1982 until 2005. But when Eid, nominally in charge of the religious teaching at the center's mosques in Sharon and Quincy, resisted, he was left in fear for his safety and eventually driven out by Dr. Abdul-badi Abousamra, at the time a prominent endocrinologist at Massachusetts General Hospital and president of the 1,500-member Center.



"At times, I was fearful for my safety," said Eid, a former member of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom who now runs a mosque in Toledo, Ohio. "When I would stand up for what I believed in, and there was a clash, you see how I could be scared."



"I was pushing for one thing, and the board was pushing for something else, and I was alone facing them."
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: cc on July 22, 2015, 05:25:06 PM
continued:



Abousamra, who has since moved to Doha and could not be reached for comment, was one of the Boston Muslim community's most powerful and prominent figures in the late 1990s and early 2000s. In addition to being the center's president, he was vice president of the Muslim American Society of Boston, which ran the Islamic Society of Boston, a Cambridge mosque that shared many members with those run by the Islamic Center of New England.



All three mosques have ties to a host of known and suspected terrorists, including Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the brothers behind the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing; Aafia Siddiqui, aka "Lady Al Qaeda," the Pakistani woman and Usama bin Laden associate now serving an 86-year federal sentence; and, more recently, Usaama Rahim, the 26-year-old man killed by police last month after brandishing a knife and allegedly plotting to behead Boston cops.



Even as Abousamra was exerting a radical influence on the leadership of mosques he helped run, law enforcement authorities say his son, a Northeastern University graduate raised in the Boston suburb of Stoughton, was training in Middle Eastern terror camps, aiding Al Qaeda and plotting attacks on U.S. soil. Ahamad Abousamra left Boston for Syria in 2006 while under investigation for terror-related charges that would later lead to an indictment, and is now believed to be running ISIS' social media operation.



While mosques around the nation have disavowed terrorism, with many leaders working with law enforcement authorities to report suspicious activity, the infighting at the Boston mosque described by Eid shows that behind the scenes, mosque leaders are not always on the same page.



It is a long and detailed article of what was volunteered by a moderate imam - MORE HERE (//http)
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 22, 2015, 05:31:09 PM
My question is and has been, why are so many now turning to terrorism - Al Q, ISIS, etc?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: cc on July 22, 2015, 05:31:55 PM
sorry, keyboard lost connection



islam itself and its 3 books,  Al Q, ISIS, imams and mentors living in and hating the West, videos posted by mentors living in and hating the West mentors  ... videos posted by mentors living outside of West  covers a lot of it
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 22, 2015, 05:43:48 PM
Why do they hate the west?  And don't say death to infidels either because that's not going to fly.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: cc on July 22, 2015, 05:48:55 PM
their ideology says supremacy over and fight ALL  [size=120]infidels[/size], lol,  .... that is the basis ... has been so for 1,450 years



The above mentioned make sure the recruits hear it & fire them up



So, are you suggesting that it's OK for a mentor / imam / whoever to live in the West  and promote hate and violence against the West because they don't like what the west does?

You keep coming back to that (see above obvious examples) so I have to ask
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 22, 2015, 06:05:15 PM
Really?  You had to ask?  That's Q level questioning cc.



I want to know what changed that we have become such targets.  It's not enough to say, "It's just their way."  Things have changed here - what is it?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: cc on July 22, 2015, 06:52:51 PM
it has ebbed and flowed for 1,450 years. Internet has helped, OBL helped, 911 was the trigger for more - the latest killing of 5 servicemen will be a great inspiration


QuoteSo, are you suggesting that it's OK for a mentor / imam / whoever to live in the West and promote hate and violence against the West because they don't like what the west does?

You keep coming back to that (see above obvious examples) so I have to ask
 A yes or no would be more helpful. I am a bit confused on that
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 22, 2015, 06:58:16 PM
Since you require an answer to such a stupid and insulting question, it's an emphatic NO. (Love the asker, hate the question.)
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: cc on July 22, 2015, 07:16:03 PM
OK. Sorry. I was just confused by pics of bombs etc.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 22, 2015, 07:41:13 PM
Those were bombs dropped on the Middle East.  Do we just sweep that under the rug?



Hey cc, does Islam promote rape?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 22, 2015, 08:10:20 PM
Quote from: "RW"Why do they hate the west?  And don't say death to infidels either because that's not going to fly.


That's exactly the reason, heavily summarised.



We are diametrically opposite their religious dogma. We do not enslave and beat women. We do not marry off our children at 12 yrs of age.



We do not kowtow to an imaginary deity. We don't pray three times a day. We are named in their fairy tales as infidels and thus should be eliminated.



What is your problem?



Why is it so hard for you to accept the hatred in their own words?



What compels you to seek a reason for US to be responsible. Its the same leftard logic that says society is responsible for crime.



Open your eyes...they hate us because we are not them. And that hatred isn't going away any time soon.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 22, 2015, 08:43:04 PM
Once again, fuck you and your leftard bullshit.  It's old, stupid and an inaccurate label.  I won't sit down and shut up because you wish to label me a moron which you know damn well I'm not.



We used to do all of those things as Christian based religions.  All of it.  I know you know that as well.  I am also aware that they have failed to "get with the times" like the rest of us.



I accept a level of "we are infidels" but I know not all of them wish us dead so there is more to it than that.  Deny it and I will ring you right now and call you an idiot to your ear hole.



My problem is I want to understand what is driving this so hard.  I want to know this because it's the key to stopping it.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 22, 2015, 09:06:02 PM
Did I call you a moron?



Moron.



If you don't understand it, you don't WANT to understand it. You don't WANT to accept that hard core, radical muslims regard western ideology, culture and attitudes as ungodly, and according to their fairy tales, they are thus entitled to eliminate us.



That is the issue.



Nothing we've done.



Not Israel.



Not jealousy.



Pure and unadulterated hatred, based on contrived theological nonsense. It is on the muslims who do not accept radical attitudes to fix it. Apathy and silence is acceptance, and acceptance is complicity.



Plain, simple logic.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 22, 2015, 09:18:41 PM
That is such an intellectually lazy answer.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Frood on July 22, 2015, 09:52:50 PM
It's the "you either stand with us or you stand against us by default" view even though there are far more in the middle ground who don't want to stand with anyone on any of it and shouldn't be made to.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 22, 2015, 10:06:00 PM
Quote from: "RW"That is such an intellectually lazy answer.


Then I challenge you to provide an intellectually lazy response...ie, something that isn't an opinion.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 22, 2015, 10:16:16 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "RW"That is such an intellectually lazy answer.


Then I challenge you to provide an intellectually lazy response...ie, something that isn't an opinion.

You can wait while I ASK QUESTIONS.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: cc on July 23, 2015, 01:30:21 AM
This may assist in understanding what is happening to some extent.



I respect this man so much that  I will shut the f up myself and just paste his words ... other than to say this guy has "been there" and knows what it's all about



Salman Rushdie says the world learned the 'wrong lessons' from his Iran fatwa ordeal (//http)



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AFP/AFP/File - Writer Salman Rushdie, pictured on October 5, 2014, told L'Express, "Instead of concluding we need to oppose these attacks on freedom of expression, we believed we should calm them through compromises and ceding"



More than a quarter century after being slapped with a fatwa fromIran calling for his murder over his book "The Satanic Verses", Salman Rushdie says the world has learned the "wrong lessons" about freedom of expression.



The British author, in an interview published Wednesday by the French news magazine L'Express, said his ordeal by religious fanatics determined to violently avenge what they construed as blasphemy should have served as a wake-up call to the world.



Instead, after the September 11, 2001 attack on America and the massacre in Paris in January this year of cartoonists and staff at the Charlie Hebdo satirical weekly, and with the ongoing rampage of the brutal Islamic State group in the Middle East, Rushdie said some writers and other people were too cowed to talk freely about Islam.



"It seems we learned the wrong lessons," he said in the interview printed in French. "Instead of concluding we need to oppose these attacks on freedom of expression, we believed we should calm them through compromises and ceding."



The "politically correct" positions voiced by some — including a few prominent authors who disagreed with Charlie Hebdo receiving a freedom of speech award at a PEN literary gala in New York in May — were motivated by fear, Rushdie said.



– 'Fear disguised as respect' –



"If people weren't being killed right now, if bombs and Kalashnikovs weren't speaking today, the debate would be very different. Fear is being disguised as respect," he said.



Rushdie, born in India to non-practising Muslims and himself an atheist, said the 1989 fatwa issued against him by Iran's then supreme leader, the late Ruhollah Khomeini, was, as he wrote in his 2012 memoir, "a first note of the dark music".



Following the fatwa, bookstores carrying his book were firebombed and the Japanese translator of the novel was stabbed to death.



Iran's government said in 1998 it had suspended the murder fatwa, though other regime organs insist it remains in place.



"Extremism constitutes an attack against the Western world as much as against Muslims themselves," Rushdie told L'Express.



"Keeping silent does not help Muslims.... Fighting extremism is not fighting Islam. To the contrary, it defends it."



The writer said that the controversy that surrounded the PEN prize to Charlie Hebdo this year convinced him that, if the attacks against "The Satanic Verses" had occurred today, "these people would not come to my defence and would use the same arguments against me by accusing me of insulting an ethnic and cultural minority".



He added that he had "greatly suffered" from being forced to live in hiding and under police protection after Iran's fatwa. But he appreciated the fact that his book was now being looked at for the work it was meant to be, and was studied in universities.



Rushdie, 68, has lived since 2000 in the United States and was knighted in Britain in 2007.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 23, 2015, 03:22:29 AM
Good article.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 23, 2015, 07:51:21 AM
Perhaps it may influence you to alter your view.



These troglodytes want nothing less than to destroy western culture and replace it with their own.



Our spineless politicians fear them, when in reality they could never stand up to western power if it were applied. Its time the fear were reversed.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 23, 2015, 11:26:19 AM
I haven't altered my view in the least actually.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 23, 2015, 08:09:49 PM
Methinks you are being contrary for its own sake.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 23, 2015, 08:35:54 PM
No I'm not.  I know Islam is a problem.  I just can't see a solution given our right to religious freedom which has painted us into a corner.  They know that.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 23, 2015, 09:46:42 PM
There is a solution.



But it is in THEIR hands. White arrogance and leftard guilt tripping makes some think that every ill in the world is our fault and our responsibility to fix.



That's bullshit.



What we need to do is to make clear to islam that their conduct in the modern world is no longer acceptable, and unless and until islam becomes rational and sensible, the West will do what needs to be done to protect itself. If that means slamming the door on them, so be it. If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.



We are frightened not because of the strength of our adversary, but because of our unwillingness to defend ourselves.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Romero on July 23, 2015, 10:10:15 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.

Finally something that makes me see the light and I can agree with.



Yes, we should try bombing the fuck out of Muslim countries and see what happens.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 23, 2015, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "SPECTRE"If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.

Finally something that makes me see the light and I can agree with.



Yes, we should try bombing the fuck out of Muslim countries and see what happens.

Hasn't the U.S. already done that?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 23, 2015, 10:14:38 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"There is a solution.



But it is in THEIR hands. White arrogance and leftard guilt tripping makes some think that every ill in the world is our fault and our responsibility to fix.



That's bullshit.



What we need to do is to make clear to islam that their conduct in the modern world is no longer acceptable, and unless and until islam becomes rational and sensible, the West will do what needs to be done to protect itself. If that means slamming the door on them, so be it. If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.



We are frightened not because of the strength of our adversary, but because of our unwillingness to defend ourselves.

Please stop with the leftard red herring.  



What stops us from doing that is LAW.  Our own laws and international law.



Now does anyone have a solution that isn't woefully retarded?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Romero on July 23, 2015, 10:24:02 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "SPECTRE"If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.

Finally something that makes me see the light and I can agree with.



Yes, we should try bombing the fuck out of Muslim countries and see what happens.

Hasn't the U.S. already done that?

QuoteLet's tick them off: Iran (1980, 1987-1988), Libya (1981, 1986, 1989, 2011), Lebanon (1983), Kuwait (1991), Iraq (1991-2011, 2014-), Somalia (1992-1993, 2007-), Bosnia (1995), Saudi Arabia (1991, 1996), Afghanistan (1998, 2001-), Sudan (1998), Kosovo (1999), Yemen (2000, 2002-), Pakistan (2004-) and now Syria. Whew.



"Those who sit around endlessly inveighing against the evils of Islam, depicting it as the root of violence and evil, while spending very little time on their own societies' addictions to violence and aggression, or their own religious and nationalistic drives, have reached the peak of self-blinding tribalism. They really are akin to having a neighbor down the street who constantly murders, steals and pillages, and then spends his spare time flamboyantly denouncing people who live thousands of miles away for their bad acts. Such a person would be regarded as pathologically self-deluded, a term that also describes those political and intellectual factions which replicate that behavior."



//http://www.alternet.org/world/staggeringly-high-number-muslim-countries-us-has-bombed-or-invaded-1980
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 23, 2015, 10:24:32 PM
I'm sorry, but the majority of defenders for the status quo, and blame allocators are leftists. Not all, I grant you...but it is a socialist perspective that all the blights of the world can be attributed to white hegemony and that we thus owe under-developed nations and its citizens compensation both monetary and charity.



Adopting that posture with these rats will get us nowhere.



Islam IS the problem, and its not on us to solve it. Its on them. Our responsibility is to protect ourselves by any and all means possible.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 23, 2015, 10:26:43 PM
Who should we be blaming?  The dog the shits on the carpet or the person who lets the dog in?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 23, 2015, 10:37:20 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "SPECTRE"If that means bombing the fuck out of them so be it.

Finally something that makes me see the light and I can agree with.



Yes, we should try bombing the fuck out of Muslim countries and see what happens.

Hasn't the U.S. already done that?

QuoteLet's tick them off: Iran (1980, 1987-1988), Libya (1981, 1986, 1989, 2011), Lebanon (1983), Kuwait (1991), Iraq (1991-2011, 2014-), Somalia (1992-1993, 2007-), Bosnia (1995), Saudi Arabia (1991, 1996), Afghanistan (1998, 2001-), Sudan (1998), Kosovo (1999), Yemen (2000, 2002-), Pakistan (2004-) and now Syria. Whew.



"Those who sit around endlessly inveighing against the evils of Islam, depicting it as the root of violence and evil, while spending very little time on their own societies' addictions to violence and aggression, or their own religious and nationalistic drives, have reached the peak of self-blinding tribalism. They really are akin to having a neighbor down the street who constantly murders, steals and pillages, and then spends his spare time flamboyantly denouncing people who live thousands of miles away for their bad acts. Such a person would be regarded as pathologically self-deluded, a term that also describes those political and intellectual factions which replicate that behavior."



//http://www.alternet.org/world/staggeringly-high-number-muslim-countries-us-has-bombed-or-invaded-1980


More leftist/moralist propaganda.



Have you examined the REASONS why action was taken?



Also, please point to the US bombing Iran during those years or at any time. I don't recall that. Was this when Iran kidnapped 55 American diplomats and held them hostage for no apparent reason, other than the US support for the previous Government, breaching international laws as it applies to embassy officials?



Libya was funding and supporting terrorism world wide, had destroyed a Pan Am flight over Scotland, and its embassy staff murdered a British police officer.



Lebanon was to protect Lebanese and American citizens from Hezbollah after the US Embassy was destroyed by a terrorist suicide bomber, apparently consigned by IRANIAN funded terror cells.



Kuwait and Iraq need no explanation.



When did the US bomb Somalia?



The US "bombed" Bosnia to destroy Serbian forces that were slaughtering the Bosnians.



I could go on...but the point is made. The "bombings" as you call them were either RESPONSES to muslim outrages, to protect innocent muslims, or as far as I can tell from your listing, did not actually occur.



Put another more, typically leftard deception, misrepresentation and bullshit.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 23, 2015, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: "RW"Who should we be blaming?  The dog the shits on the carpet or the person who lets the dog in?


Well, the left will, of course, blame the carpet.



Otherwise your metaphor makes no sense.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 23, 2015, 10:44:47 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "RW"Who should we be blaming?  The dog the shits on the carpet or the person who lets the dog in?


Well, the left will, of course, blame the carpet.



Otherwise your metaphor makes no sense.

If you aren't going to be serious, don't bother debating.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 23, 2015, 10:49:59 PM
The Iran bombings were at sea and a result of Iran being shits in the Gulf.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 23, 2015, 10:54:51 PM
I see no record of bombs being deployed against Iran.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 23, 2015, 10:55:33 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "RW"Who should we be blaming?  The dog the shits on the carpet or the person who lets the dog in?


Well, the left will, of course, blame the carpet.



Otherwise your metaphor makes no sense.

If you aren't going to be serious, don't bother debating.


Excuse me.



YOU are the one using silly and irrelevant metaphors to make an obscure point. Since when was THAT debating.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 23, 2015, 10:56:46 PM
Really?  It was THAT obscure?  Are you feeling well?
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 23, 2015, 11:04:51 PM
Quote from: "RW"Really?  It was THAT obscure?  Are you feeling well?


In the context of the discussion, it was pithy and pointless.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 23, 2015, 11:08:43 PM
:oeudC:
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: Bricktop on July 24, 2015, 12:13:47 AM
Precisely.
Title: Re: Cameron Grows a Pair????? or not?
Post by: RW on July 24, 2015, 12:22:15 PM
You realise that face palm was in light of you missing the point right?  Since you agree with me, you must have.
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