This statement makes it a good move imo: "Denmark's government has brought in a ban on the religious slaughter of animals for the production of halal and kosher meat, after years of campaigning from welfare activists."
//http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/denmark-bans-halal-and-kosher-slaughter-as-minister-says-animal-rights-come-before-religion-9135580.html
The change to the law, announced last week and effective as of yesterday, has been called "anti-Semitism" by Jewish leaders and "a clear interference in religious freedom" by the non-profit group Danish Halal.
European regulations require animals to be stunned before they are slaughtered, but grants exemptions on religious grounds. For meat to be considered kosher under Jewish law or halal under Islamic law, the animal must be conscious when killed.
Yet defending his government's decision to remove this exemption, the minister for agriculture and food Dan Jørgensen told Denmark's TV2 that "animal rights come before religion".
Commenting on the change, Israel's deputy minister of religious services Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan told the Jewish Daily Forward: "European anti-Semitism is showing its true colours across Europe, and is even intensifying in the government institutions."
Al Jazeera quoted the monitoring group Danish Halal, which launched a petition against the ban, as saying it was "a clear interference in religious freedom limiting the rights of Muslims and Jews to practice their religion in Denmark".
Hrm. Interesting approach. If they can eat I guess they'll have to go elsewhere?
Good for the Danes!!!
Reason at last.
Fuck their religious stupidity.
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//http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/denmark-bans-halal-and-kosher-slaughter-as-minister-says-animal-rights-come-before-religion-9135580.html
The change to the law, announced last week and effective as of yesterday, has been called "anti-Semitism" by Jewish leaders and "a clear interference in religious freedom" by the non-profit group Danish Halal.
European regulations require animals to be stunned before they are slaughtered, but grants exemptions on religious grounds. For meat to be considered kosher under Jewish law or halal under Islamic law, the animal must be conscious when killed.
Yet defending his government's decision to remove this exemption, the minister for agriculture and food Dan Jørgensen told Denmark's TV2 that "animal rights come before religion".
Commenting on the change, Israel's deputy minister of religious services Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan told the Jewish Daily Forward: "European anti-Semitism is showing its true colours across Europe, and is even intensifying in the government institutions."
Al Jazeera quoted the monitoring group Danish Halal, which launched a petition against the ban, as saying it was "a clear interference in religious freedom limiting the rights of Muslims and Jews to practice their religion in Denmark".
You will see the halal label in every grocery store in any Canadian city.
This is rather brilliant.
CC! Starving them out! Tell me that isn't an awesome solution!!!
The thing is that anything that isn't meat is halal - fish is fine, vegetarian foods and dairy are fine.
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CC! Starving them out! Tell me that isn't an awesome solution!!!
hmmm ..... I never thought of that before
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CC! Starving them out! Tell me that isn't an awesome solution!!!
hmmm ..... I never thought of that before
If the muzzies in Denmark want halal, they will find a way of getting it. Whenever there is a demand, supply follows.
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Most Muslims will eat anything; they also drink like fish although it is forbidden as well. Don't let that pious bullshit fool you.
This move will give the savages among them another excuse to riot and nothing more.
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Most Muslims will eat anything; they also drink like fish although it is forbidden as well. Don't let that pious bullshit fool you.
This move will give the savages among them another excuse to riot and nothing more.
I can see this backfiring on Danes too.
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Most Muslims will eat anything; they also drink like fish although it is forbidden as well. Don't let that pious bullshit fool you.
This move will give the savages among them another excuse to riot and nothing more.
They like their black hash too.
At least its a gesture to them that we're sick of their religious bullshit.
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Too little, too late.
Never.
Its time to push back against their crap...and the other religions as well.
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Its time to push back against their crap...and the other religions as well.
All religions are superstition. However, only one vile ideology commands I die. Big hint, it isn't Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism or xtianity.
True, islam is the pick of the crazy bunch...but we try to accommodate it because we think "religion" is an important part of human existence.
If we rejected it as a whole lot of mumbo jumbo...including homophobia, euthanasia and a whole host of political issues dominated by religious dogma, then we can advance as a civilisation.
I cannot but help that this is exactly what we're living through. The end of religion...but its going to take awhile and its going to get ugly.
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If we rejected it as a whole lot of mumbo jumbo...including homophobia, euthanasia and a whole host of political issues dominated by religious dogma, then we can advance as a civilisation.
I cannot but help that this is exactly what we're living through. The end of religion...but its going to take awhile and its going to get ugly.
I could really care less if that pesky Buddhism ends or not. Same goes for all the others except for one.
All religion is lies with the sole purpose of social control.
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I don't seek control of anyone SPECTRE.
But your Church does.
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No, they don't..
It's a five point Calvinist statement of faith..
Political and social control are not mentioned.
Does your Church permit sodomy?
How about denying the existence of the holy spirit?
Does it demand you accept the stories contained within the Bible?
ALL churches demand you submit to the doctrine...or why would you belong?
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How about denying the existence of the holy spirit?
Does it demand you accept the stories contained within the Bible?
ALL churches demand you submit to the doctrine...or why would you belong?
1. There is nothing about that within marriage.
2. That is central to the faith once you are saved..
No holy spirit means no salvation.
3. 2 Timothy 3:16
4. We voluntarily fellowship as the body of Christ..
But we do not seek to impose the morality of our faith on a secular society.
I still think starving them out is an interesting strategy.
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I don't know Danish law, but in Canada wouldn't that be in violation of their charter freedoms?
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I don't know Danish law, but in Canada wouldn't that be in violation of their charter freedoms?
Yes in a sense it would but our first Charter right is to have our rights limited in a free and democratic society. Is not abusing animals a justifiable limit to freedom of religion? That is the question.
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I don't know Danish law, but in Canada wouldn't that be in violation of their charter freedoms?
Yes in a sense it would but our first Charter right is to have our rights limited in a free and democratic society. Is not abusing animals a justifiable limit to freedom of religion? That is the question.
I don't know RW.
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I guess if it ever comes to it, we'll find out.
Personally, I think it would be a weak case if it was challenged under the Charter.
Other animals kill their prey while they're still conscious. What's the difference between a halal or kosher killing and a pack of wolves or pride of lions chewing, gnawing, pawing, and tearing their prey bit by bit until it ceases breathing? Aside from the halal or kosher killing being quicker and less painful to the animal.
That charter was a suicide pact and the end of democracy. Democracy where it does exist means electing people to act for them.
Oh well. We don't need to bother ourselves voting or worrying about elections any more
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I disagree with you. I think our Charter is a well written legal document especially our first Charter right. Brilliant.
And what democracy? You mean the choose your own dictator bullshit we have now? You can't give credit to an end of something you never had.
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Democracy where it does exist means electing people to act for them.
It does not exist here. Our charter ended that. "Appointed" judges decide without any regard to the voting public
Our lads died in vain
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Memo to half wit.
We are NOT "other animals".
If we are to mimic the behaviour of "other animals" in all aspects of human activity, there would BE no human activity.
What a fucking dumbass thing to say.
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Our charter ended that
Can you explain what you mean cc la femme?
Regular slaughterhouses are no less cruel and inhumane than halal and kosher slaughterhouses. Often they are more cruel and inhumane.
"Animal rights"? Ha! Countless millions of animals live and die in cruelty at regular factory farms and slaughterhouses.
It's like having the choice of being shot in the head or having your throat slit. Only, the shot to the head doesn't always kill them. At regular slaughterhouses, countless millions of animals have been butchered while still being alive.
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It does not exist here. Our charter ended that. "Appointed" judges decide without any regard to the voting public using our end of everything charter
Our lads died in vain
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How about denying the existence of the holy spirit?
Does it demand you accept the stories contained within the Bible?
ALL churches demand you submit to the doctrine...or why would you belong?
1. There is nothing about that within marriage.
2. That is central to the faith once you are saved..
No holy spirit means no salvation.
3. 2 Timothy 3:16
4. We voluntarily fellowship as the body of Christ..
But we do not seek to impose the morality of our faith on a secular society.
Sorry, Fash, but I rest my case. You are regurgitating religious rhetoric, and quoting from someone's fictitious flight of fancy. Such as the power of religion, that you believe in such things.
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"Animal rights"? Ha! Countless millions of animals live and die in cruelty at regular factory farms and slaughterhouses.
It's like having the choice of being shot in the head or having your throat slit. Only the shot to the head doesn't always kill them. At regular slaughterhouses, countless millions of animals have been butchered while still being alive.
Dude, what is your problem.
Every time a post challenges or criticises the actions of muslims, you have to leap in and defend.
Why is that? Are you a muslim? If so, I think it would be appropriate to make that disclosure. If not...why do you CARE?
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Morality imposer!
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Morality imposer!
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Where did you drag that from?
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It does not exist here. Our charter ended that. "Appointed" judges decide without any regard to the voting public
Our lads died in vain
We do elect people to act for us which they don't and I doubt did prior to the 80s.
Are judges making poor legal decisions in our country?
Democracy is a suicide pact in itself.
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Memo to half wit.
We are NOT "other animals".
If we are to mimic the behaviour of "other animals" in all aspects of human activity, there would BE no human activity.
What a fucking dumbass thing to say.
I agreed to not get into your aversion towards hunting and harvesting your own food. You need that cling wrap and supermarket lighting to make it humane for you, fair enough. Those who don't have the nerve to take what they need with their own hands, shop. So let it go.
Simply let it go, Miss Anarchist.
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How about denying the existence of the holy spirit?
Does it demand you accept the stories contained within the Bible?
ALL churches demand you submit to the doctrine...or why would you belong?
1. There is nothing about that within marriage.
2. That is central to the faith once you are saved..
No holy spirit means no salvation.
3. 2 Timothy 3:16
4. We voluntarily fellowship as the body of Christ..
But we do not seek to impose the morality of our faith on a secular society.
Sorry, Fash, but I rest my case. You are regurgitating religious rhetoric, and quoting from someone's fictitious flight of fancy. Such as the power of religion, that you believe in such things.
My faith is not
My point is that my little fellowship does not seek to legislate our faith onto a secular society.
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Morality imposer!
:2r4ml1j_th:
Where did you drag that from?
One guess. :001_rolleyes:
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"Animal rights"? Ha! Countless millions of animals live and die in cruelty at regular factory farms and slaughterhouses.
It's like having the choice of being shot in the head or having your throat slit. Only the shot to the head doesn't always kill them. At regular slaughterhouses, countless millions of animals have been butchered while still being alive.
Dude, what is your problem.
Every time a post challenges or criticises the actions of muslims, you have to leap in and defend.
Why is that? Are you a muslim? If so, I think it would be appropriate to make that disclosure. If not...why do you CARE?
Isn't this about Muslims and Jews?
Regular slaughterhouses are no less cruel and inhumane than halal and kosher slaughterhouses. There's no reason to believe this would actually limit any animal suffering. It's just logic, and the hypocrisy astounds me.
If there's meat in your fridge, it suffered its entire life and there's a good chance it didn't die quickly and humanely. Stop eating meat if you claim to care so much.
I've never been much of a PETA lover.
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Simply let it go, Miss Anarchist.
Firstly, what you AGREED to has no binding effect on anyone but yourself.
Secondly, my comment was not about hunting, but life in general. Humans are not supposed to mimic other animals. That's why we're called "humans", and they are called "Leopards" or "donkeys" or "Victorians".
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It does not exist here. Our charter ended that. "Appointed" judges decide without any regard to the voting public using our end of everything charter
Our lads died in vain
oh ok cc la femme, I didn't see that, thank you.
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My faith is not
Then what is its source?
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It does not exist here. Our charter ended that. "Appointed" judges decide without any regard to the voting public
Our lads died in vain
We do elect people to act for us which they don't and I doubt did prior to the 80s.
Are judges making poor legal decisions in our country?
Yes, but that is not the point.
We now have big brother and sister to rule us. If that's what you prefer, that's OK. Just don't expect us all to like our 1984 country
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Memo to half wit.
We are NOT "other animals".
If we are to mimic the behaviour of "other animals" in all aspects of human activity, there would BE no human activity.
What a fucking dumbass thing to say.
Technically, we are animals. We belong to the kingdom Animalia. I think that is often forgotten.
As Emerson said, "All things turtle are turtle" Spec. Everything we do as a human is human.
There are reasons for these "religious" laws and its health related. You kill a live animal so you know it wasn't sick prior to death, amoung other reasons.
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My faith is not
Then what is its source?
Jesus Christ.
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It does not exist here. Our charter ended that. "Appointed" judges decide without any regard to the voting public
Our lads died in vain
We do elect people to act for us which they don't and I doubt did prior to the 80s.
Are judges making poor legal decisions in our country?
Yes, but that is not the point.
We now have big brother and sister to rule us. If that's what you prefer, that's OK. Just don't expect us all to like our 1984
Is this really the statement you're going with? You see the Supreme Court as a form of Big Brother?
Whom you have never met, who's existence is arguable, and who's origins do not align with historical fact.
Yet, you believe. Such is the power of religion, that you dare not challenge its shibboleths.
What of those religions that do not accept or acknowledge Jesus?
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Yet, you believe. Such is the power of religion, that you dare not challenge its shibboleths.
What of those religions that do not accept or acknowledge Jesus?
Oh, I do know him SPECTRE..
What of anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Saviour?
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Yet, you believe. Such is the power of religion, that you dare not challenge its shibboleths.
What of those religions that do not accept or acknowledge Jesus?
Oh, I do know him SPECTRE..
What of anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Saviour?
Well, I don't..although I repeat...I respect your right to do so.
What of me? Am I destined for the merciless fires of hell? Will I be tormented by Satanic demons for eternity?
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Yet, you believe. Such is the power of religion, that you dare not challenge its shibboleths.
What of those religions that do not accept or acknowledge Jesus?
Oh, I do know him SPECTRE..
What of anyone who does not acknowledge Jesus as Lord and Saviour?
Well, I don't..although I repeat...I respect your right to do so.
What of me? Am I destined for the merciless fires of hell? Will I be tormented by Satanic demons for eternity?
Maybe you will have an Apostle Paul moment and repent SPECTRE.
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Simply let it go, Miss Anarchist.
Firstly, what you AGREED to has no binding effect on anyone but yourself.
Firstly, you just wanted to use the word firstly because you know full well that discussion about hunting and harvesting was done privately and you were the one who asked I not get into it, yet here you are in this thread getting into it and using your dislike for religion as a scapegoat.
Thank you for demonstrating for the second time in the last day that your word is no good. You'll recall the other in which you advertised the Skype group call and maintained that board persona's and the chat group individuals could remain distinct from one another, which didn't happen with you. Keeper made a subtle and funny remark about the voice changing software I used, but you couldn't let it rest with just that. You've pursued it directly and publicly.
If you're not going to follow through on what you say, don't bother pretending that you will.
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Secondly, your comment was about the same phenomenon in which hunting shares, the taking of life for food and what is acceptable socially by humans.
If humanity is a drag for you, stop getting stronger stomachs to do your food harvesting for you and wither away.
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I enjoyed that one Fash
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I enjoyed that one Fash
ac_smile I hope SPECTRE did too.
*tap tap tap*
Is this thing on?
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Firstly, you just wanted to use the word firstly because you know full well that discussion about hunting and harvesting was done privately and you were the one who asked I not get into it, yet here you are in this thread getting into it and using your dislike for religion as a scapegoat.
In SKYPE you unmitigated simian.
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No-one said what happens in Skype stays in Skype. The issue is that in Skype, we talk and act like normal sociable people. Whilst using a voice distorter falls somewhat short of that, and says something of your paranoia, there is no agreement that prevents your use of such a silly device being mentioned in the forum. Besides, what of it? Does it embarrass you?
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I won't. What are we talking about again?
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If humanity is a drag for you, stop getting stronger stomachs to do your food harvesting for you and wither away.
My quote was highlighting your asinine statement that we should act like other animals. Now, having read your expose of an attack of flatulence, you seem to prefer to behave like an animal.
I don't.
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Firstly, you just wanted to use the word firstly because you know full well that discussion about hunting and harvesting was done privately and you were the one who asked I not get into it, yet here you are in this thread getting into it and using your dislike for religion as a scapegoat.
In SKYPE you unmitigated simian.
I wasn't talking about Skype, you forgetful baboon. Recall the private messages we exchanged? Ding ding ding, ringing any bells? It was also touched upon in Skype though, and I still refrained from getting into it on the board. I guess that's what separates you and me. I have a sense of propriety and you simply do not. ac_biggrin
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No-one said what happens in Skype stays in Skype. The issue is that in Skype, we talk and act like normal sociable people. Whilst using a voice distorter falls somewhat short of that, and says something of your paranoia, there is no agreement that prevents your use of such a silly device being mentioned in the forum. Besides, what of it? Does it embarrass you?
That I chose to protect myself from you is no way an embarrassment but rather a testament to my understanding of how your feeble little mind functions. For someone who detests the reality hunt for meat, you sure enjoy the electronic version of it for sport.
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The personna can be dropped. Don't join in and start flaming, or arguing about forum issues. Its a social event. What happens in the forum stays in the forum.
which means it's ok to mine Skype group chats for material to use on the forum but it's not ok for forum items to be aired in Skype chats? ac_toofunny
Seriously? Do you want to go down that road for any future Skype chats? What about private messaging? You don't seem to make any distinctions between any venue. It's readily becoming apparent that you're in all of this to gather ammunition for poo flinging. I don't fancy how successful any future Skype calls or private messages will be for you when people understand that you're not trustworthy on any level.
Congratulations on shooting yourself in the foot, Elmer Fudd. You get a gold star. :laugh3:
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I don't.
Animals have more logic and dignity than you'll ever possess. I would never insult an animal in that manner, even a cockroach or worm. ac_biggrin
Flame sub anyone?
No.
Hose the bitch down and send her on her way.
She's far too dumb to be of any use here.
Besides, she feels the need to "protect" herself???
ac_lmfao
What does she think will happen? Someone will record her voice, travel to Victoria and ask every one of the 6 million or so of them to speak into a microphone?
Stupid. Just fucking stupid.
She can't even digest the point that our Skypefests are NOT for arguing and debating issues from the forum, but a social event to get to know each other...and in that capacity, they've been fantastic.
This is about halal and kosher meats. See the thread title?
I'm still wanting to find out more about this Big Brother stuff. Oh cc....
Religion is NOT a valid excuse to act contrary to the standards and norms of society.
Sorry.
It needs to understand that its day of dominance is done, and reason and enlightenment are taking control.
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I'm still wanting to find out more about this Big Brother stuff. Oh cc....
I know it has jumped all over the place, but it has been an interesting discussion..
I hope Denmark has made the tight decision.
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Good idea. ac_smile
The misogyny factor in this thread has gone to plaid speed.
I'll respond to Mick Tyson in the sub.
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Hose the bitch down and send her on her way.
She's far too dumb to be of any use here.
Besides, she feels the need to "protect" herself???
ac_lmfao
What does she think will happen? Someone will record her voice, travel to Victoria and ask every one of the 6 million or so of them to speak into a microphone?
Stupid. Just fucking stupid.
She can't even digest the point that our Skypefests are NOT for arguing and debating issues from the forum,
I have a question? What is the purpose getting to know each other personally?
Because I see no need for it. I prefer to think of you all in the context of this forum. For example, if I were to discover that you weren't a vicious prick or if RW wasn't a haughty bitch, it would ruin the whole ambiance of this place. ac_toofunny
^I think he did. He has a sense of humor ... although often a "convenient" one ac_smile
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It does not exist here. Our charter ended that. "Appointed" judges decide without any regard to the voting public
Our lads died in vain
We do elect people to act for us which they don't and I doubt did prior to the 80s.
Are judges making poor legal decisions in our country?
Yes, but that is not the point.
We now have big brother and sister to rule us. If that's what you prefer, that's OK. Just don't expect us all to like our 1984
Is this really the statement you're going with? You see the Supreme Court as a form of Big Brother?
It is nothing else but. Elected reps pass laws, the elite appointed judges undo laws. Charter + un-elected judges = no democracy of the people = 1984
Did I elect it. No!! Does it answer to anyone? NO!!
1984 indeed!!!!
Worse, it was creation of the so-called "rights" or was it "wrongs?" Kangaroo Court that really finished me with my country. It is something out of the USSR .. destroys people's lives just by accusation ... keeps innocent people's lives on hold for years = often beyond recovery of losses
Did I elect it. No!! Does it answer to anyone? NO!!
1984 indeed!!!!
I see the way our country is controlled by inbred elitists as the end of our democratic country. It played a big roll in our moving out of the country for many years ... would have been permanent except for family ties here. I would fight for the people of my country but for the country itself, not any more. Our lads who died for democracy died in vain.
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Did I elect it. No!! Does it answer to anyone? NO!!
1984 indeed!!!!
Worse, it was creation of the so-called "rights" or was it "wrongs?" Kangaroo Court that really finished me with my country. It is something out of the USSR .. destroys people's lives just by accusation ... keeps innocent people's lives on hold for years = often beyond recovery of losses
Did I elect it. No!! Does it answer to anyone? NO!!
1984 indeed!!!!
I see the way our country is controlled by inbred elitists as the end of our democratic country. It played a big roll in our moving out of the country for many years ... would have been permanent except for family ties here. I would fight for the people of my country, but for the country itself, not any more. Our lads who died for democracy all died in vain.
You wouldn't fight for Canada, eh?
What did the Supreme Court do to make you so pissed off? Whose lives were destroyed?
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Oh, you have no idea why you're so pissed off or whose lives were destroyed. I figured that.
I can't imagine why you constantly spew things without even knowing what you're talking about.
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And we all agree that the definition of democracy is inherently disgusting and well and truly misused to force people to do things no sane persons would ever agree to?
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You have no idea what you're talking about, and all you can do is repeat yourself over and over.
That's not crazy at all!
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It's not perfect, but it's better than the alternatives. I'd much prefer a democracy over a dictatorship. We do get the choice of voting to change things we don't like.
Too many things become a we vs individual battle in a democracy as governments get bigger and bigger, then control the avenues of popular opinion.
Some things, many in fact, should never be put to a popular vote.
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Would you rather to be queen yourself?
Or would you rather just select one for us? We do have some experienced unelected head up ass unaccountable elitists to choose from
Actually, I agree that democracy does not work. Our system controlled in the end by unelected head up ass unaccountable elitists does not work either.
Where are the benevolent dictators when we need them?
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Some things, many in fact, should never be put to a popular vote.
What things should never be put to a popular vote?
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Would you rather to be queen yourself?
Or would you rather just select one for us? We do have some experienced unelected head up ass unaccountable elitists to choose from
Actually, I agree that democracy does not work. Our system controlled in the end by unelected head up ass unaccountable elitists does not work either.
Where are the benevolent dictators when we need them?
Where are the people who put a stop to wanton legislation, police state nanny'ism, and taxation cannibalism (personal and business)?
Nobody ELECTS anymore. We choose the best of a limited array of vetted cocksuckers, bullshit peddlers, and sons of bitches. They then proceed to do whatever the hell they want regardless of what anyone wanted, foresaw, or could possibly imagine. If anyone so much tries to slip in and change that consensus, they're labeled by a bought media and taken to the rubbish bin.
I'd argue that the rare benevolent dictator might even be better than what anyone of us has experienced in decades but I wouldn't want to be that person nor would I accept such a person either.
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Some things, many in fact, should never be put to a popular vote.
What things should never be put to a popular vote?
Other peoples actions, choices, monies, unless they break the basic code of civil interaction between varying peoples of different mindsets and cultures. Democracy has always been mob rule. Modern democracy is media mob rule. A line has to be drawn.
We need to tell our governments to feck off and know their places. That's to serve us on an extremely limited basis and not for us to serve them. That's what we do these days. We do what we're told because DeMoCraCy sez so!!!! and the penalties are morbid and over the top.
I'm not sure what you mean by other peoples actions, choices, monies. Do you have a specific example?
I'd rather vote than have a cruel dictator decide for me.
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Random tax hikes, legislation changes, etc. None of it is ever decided by democratic plebiscite and if government allowed it instead of running from it like the plague, they'd shrink to only a fraction of their current size. Most of it should never be decided by mob rule though. If people want to run a cafe or restaurant out of their home, not pay 30-50 percent of their hard earned income to some black spending hole, or deal with what consenting adults get up to in their own homes and beyond, they shouldn't have to.
The overreach has become beyond suffocating. Enough is enough.
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You'd still be voting for a cruel dictator in a field of pre approved cruel dictators. They're not there to serve you. They're there to serve the organization. We'll always be mosquito's. The sooner you learn this the sooner you'll be better off.
We vote for the greater good, and it's no coincidence that democratic countries happen to be the greatest countries to live in.
We still get to choose. Better Abbott and Harper than the leaders of North Korea and Zimbabwe.
You keep telling yourself that. The cake might be more sustaining but the fundamentals remain the same.
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Now, that made my day
If you don't like Canada, go back to where you immigrated from. It's so sad when you foreigners come here, take advantage of our hospitality and refuse to adapt to our customs and values.
Yet again you prove you like only immigrants that agree with you ..
Misogynists, gay haters / killers, cousin fking supremacists etc. bringing in and keeping their ways are OK by you
while
Anyone who questions the un-elected inbred elitists that take care of your soft ass 1984 style, you don't want here
A fine "ethically selective" piece of work you are
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Misogynists, gay haters / killers, cousin fking supremacists etc. bringing in and keeping their ways are OK by you
Anyone who questions the un-elected inbred elitists that take care of you 1984 style you don't want here
A fine "ethically selective" piece of work you are
I've never once agreed with any of those, liar. But I know for a fact that you hate Canada and wished you didn't live here. So go!
You don't even know why you hate it here.
Sorry, but one can't support the presence of an ideology that demands misogyny, gay hatred, cousin fking, supremacy etc. without supporting its misogyny, gay hatred, cousin fking, supremacy etc. that comes with it
Try as you do, you can't have it both ways
Go ask one of your nanny judges that rule you. Even she will tell you that simple fact
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I never have supported those once, liar. Let's see any quote! You won't find one. Liar. Canada hater.
What's a "nanny judge"? Don't you find it odd that you have to make stuff up to prove some point you don't even understand. Funny, I'm not ruled by any "nanny judges" but you seem to think that you are!
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Sorry.
It needs to understand that its day of dominance is done, and reason and enlightenment are taking control.
the standards and norms of society. You mean like mass food production? Pumping chickens so full of hormones that they can't even walk? All the antibiotics in our meat that are causing super bacterias? All the toxins released into the meat from the huge amounts of stress the animals are under? How about pp selling aborted baby parts? We are utterly destroying this planet, btw. We have not gotten more 'enlightened'. We have gotten more self centered, greedier, lazier and more deseased and depraved. More addicted. Which, btw, is exactly what scripture said was going to happen. If everyone lived the way God instructed, we would not have any of the problems we are having now. If everyone obeyed the command to love one another as his own self....then we would have enlightenment and advancement. Right now we have corruption and a train wreck of destruction that is only going to get worse.
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OK. It's official now
Querky no longer supports the ideology / pretend religion of misogyny, gay hatred, cousin fking, supremacy etc., being in our country
Thank god we finally got to that point
And if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle.
What on earth makes you think your God is the only entity that possesses common sense.
Most humans realise that some of our conduct is reprehensible, and they don't need a bible to make that judgment. The mistreatment and inhumane farming practices are going to be placed under much greater scrutiny, and I foresee great changes in my country to abandon some of the cruelty farmers employ.
Of course, God could change that with a flick of the hand...but he doesn't seem keen.
I wonder why.
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I never have supported those once, liar. Let's see any quote! You won't find one. Liar. Canada hater.
What's a "nanny judge"? Don't you find it odd that you have to make stuff up to prove some point you don't even understand. Funny, I'm not ruled by any "nanny judges" but you seem to think that you are!
Ah, Rommy...such a devious little twister.
You support Islam. That's well established. But you're denying you support their bestial practices and beliefs. Sorry, sunshine...the maths don't work.
Devious wanted it both ways, and didn't get it both ways
But hey, see above. He renounced support of the essential elements commanded by and thus an integral part of islam
misogyny, gay hatred, cousin fking, supremacy etc.
He's an honest guy now
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You support Islam. That's well established. But you're denying you support their bestial practices and beliefs. Sorry, sunshine...the maths don't work.
I don't support Islam in any way. Since I don't hate Jews, does that mean I support Judaism?
Show me one quote where I'm supporting Islam.
Do I look like your fucking secretary. I'll rely on the judgment of my peers to determine whether or not many of your posts have supported muslims.
But, I'm nothing if not reasonable. You don't support islam in any way.
How about muslim immigration into your country.
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My father was a democracy advocate in Taiwan before it became a democracy..
He doesn't have the same passion in his core either in Canada or Taiwan for the principles he once was imprisoned for. ac_umm
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You support Islam. That's well established. But you're denying you support their bestial practices and beliefs. Sorry, sunshine...the maths don't work.
I don't support Islam in any way. Since I don't hate Jews, does that mean I support Judaism?
Show me one quote where I'm supporting Islam.
Testing: islam does not belong in any Western country. And you say?
What is the big deal with the Supreme Court justices cc?
In the end, the bunch of un-elected and
It' not my big deal. Our laws have made them not only "a" big deal, but the only deal in town
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What on earth makes you think your God is the only entity that possesses common sense.
Most humans realise that some of our conduct is reprehensible, and they don't need a bible to make that judgment. The mistreatment and inhumane farming practices are going to be placed under much greater scrutiny, and I foresee great changes in my country to abandon some of the cruelty farmers employ.
Of course, God could change that with a flick of the hand...but he doesn't seem keen.
I wonder why.
According to the bible, God wrote his moral laws on the core of every human. According to the bible, everyone knows there is a God, and everyone knows they are accountable. According to the bible, humans are spiritually dead and operating in the flesh only, and the message of God is contrary to the flesh and resisted passionately, and even violantly. If people really want to disprove and debunk God, maybe everyone should stop proving Him right? You know satanists, will actually tell you they do not believe in a theist, judeo christain satan....but then they describe the satan they believe in, which is exactly the biblical satan. They don't even properly know the book they hate, or the God they hate.....yet they hate Him. Just like scripture says they will. According to the bible, you don't get a pass or fail when you die. You are born condemned. You are already under wrath. Blind and dead and inactive to God. You aren't saying or illustrating anything that isn't expected from someone who knows the Word. Just sayin. We also don't involve ourselves in politics. We don't force. I don't wonder about why God does or doesn't do anything because I know scripture, and I know Him.
But that is exactly what you are doing now.
You are not trying to convince me. You know better than that.
Your bloviating and proselytising is aimed at yourself. Repeat the mantra often enough and you will believe. It is the hallmark of the false believer, Dove...to preach too hard in an effort to convince yourself that the bible is some sacrosanct text endowed by a god...but written by men.
I respect and admire your unerring faith, as misguided as it is, but to pursue our conflicting beliefs is very dull and boring, and thus I shall henceforth remain silent on the issue.
No spec. You are trying to convince us. I can't convince you of anything. I could easily sit here and poke holes the size of canons in how the world is ran without God. But that is futile isn't it? This isn't about winning an argument or proving myself right, so you won't see me pointing out the glaring lunacy going on. However, you are the one attempting to sell some idea that christains are anti intellectual control freaks who believe in fairytales. You are the one challanging. You are also very focused on your perception of the problems with no real solutions. Religion isn't a problem, human beings are.
And really, think about the typical argument used to discredit the bible. "It was written by men, so it can't be credible". Okay. Let's not look at how utterly stupid that statement is. No one ever said men didn't write the bible. The bible is God inspired. Done by confluence. We have reasons to believe this. Do you know what they are? Also, who the heck do you think writes text books? Do you have a degree? If men wrote your text books (ever changing, which the bible remains the same) and men gave you a degree...we can't take it seriously. Men wrote it and men change it.
Religious discussions make me want to ingest broken glass. People start quoting from their sacred mumbo jumbo scrolls or discredit through science, then it's on for young and old.
Well, I haven't quoted scripture. And I typically back science with scripture. The two are in sync, there is no divorce. I think what we can all agree on is there is a lot of suffering and need in this world, and until humans change from the inside first, it's only to get worse and worse. From what scripture says? It's going to get worse, quickly, and end.
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It' not my big deal. Our laws have made them not only "a" big deal, but the only deal in town
I kind of have to wonder what you are on about when government makes laws, the Senate (not elected) reviews laws, the Governor General (not elected) ascends laws, the provincial court justices (not elected) pass judgement on cases based on challenges to those laws, the appellant court justices (not elected) reviews those decisions and passes further judgement based on those laws, and only then does it hit the Supreme Court justices (not elected) for final decision.
There are a lot of non-elected cogs in that wheel cc in what amounts to faux democracy.
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Now, there's an odd coincidence. They make me want you to ingest broken glass too!!!
They make me want to have a separate thread for God talk.
A separate sub-forum, please.
Allow those with faith to discuss their theology in private.
Maybe those without should bash it in private?
If that is their wish...
All I'm saying is that its being done to death out here.
No-one's view will change. The discussions are pointless.
I despise it when Spectre and I agree on some things. Thankfully it doesn't happen all that often. ac_hithere
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