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Quote from: "Dove"Personally I don't purchase or consume any commercial food....let alone tortured animals. So I'm in the good being repulsed by this senseless slaughter. I'm also repulsed by the selling of baby parts going on as well.

Welcome to a large element of 2015. A lion 10,000 miles away matters. Local baby parts don't

Since when?



Just because the topic is about the slaughter of a lion, it does not follow that contributors are apathetic to other injustices.



If there is an issue with the sale of baby parts, start a thread. Let's see it.



I've never heard of it.

Quote from: "Dove"That's not the only sting video. They are selling parts. This has been going on for a while, hence multiple sting videos.

QuoteIn a letter to the House Energy and Commerce Committee, Planned Parenthood said it fell victim to a fake company called Biomax Procurement Services that posed as a buyer of human tissues. It was actually created by David Daleiden, an official of the group that released the video, and was engaged in "a campaign of corporate espionage" targeting Planned Parenthood, the letter said.



"A group of extremists who have intimidated women and doctors for years — in their agenda to ban abortion completely — are not 'documenting' misdeeds; they are trying to create them, quite unsuccessfully," Planned Parenthood wrote to lawmakers.



Biomax activities included trying to induce Planned Parenthood centres to sell fetal organs for up to $1,600, the letter said, which would likely violate laws banning commercial fetal tissue sales. Those efforts were rejected, according to the letter.



In addition, the letter says Daleiden was involved in secretly recording Planned Parenthood staff and patients at least 65 times over the last eight years. That could yield thousands of hours of recordings that Daleiden could heavily edit to make false charges, the letter said.



//http://www.theprovince.com/health/Planned+Parenthood+says+secret+video+abortion+foes+part/11229258/story.html

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Quote from: "Dove"That's not the only sting video. They are selling parts. This has been going on for a while, hence multiple sting videos.

They're not selling parts. It's illegal, and they're not selling parts.



Fetal tissue donation happens all the time. You have the right to be against that but Planned Parenthood isn't selling parts.

Quote from: "Dove"Several choices are made before a human life is concieved. You have sex with the knowledge that a pregnancy can happen. That's a choice. Abortion is about selfishly dodging the consequences of the choices you've already made.  Unless you are under some extreme medical duress and you feel abortion is your choice shame on YOU.

Quote from: "Dove"http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/29/why-planned-parenthood-cant-donate-tissue-from-harvested-babies/

Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 And might I ask you a question?  How many women have you consoled in the after math of an abortion?  Have you ever had one?  Are you aware of the dangers and the long term emotional/mental trauma?  What about the lies and sugar coating told to women about the procedure?

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Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 And might I ask you a question?  How many women have you consoled in the after math of an abortion?  Have you ever had one?  Are you aware of the dangers and the long term emotional/mental trauma?  What about the lies and sugar coating told to women about the procedure?

Abortion is the taking of a life..



There is no way to sugar coat murder besides reminding the public it is legal.

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Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 And might I ask you a question?  How many women have you consoled in the after math of an abortion?  Have you ever had one?  Are you aware of the dangers and the long term emotional/mental trauma?  What about the lies and sugar coating told to women about the procedure?

Quote from: "Dove"Several choices are made before a human life is concieved. You have sex with the knowledge that a pregnancy can happen. That's a choice. Abortion is about selfishly dodging the consequences of the choices you've already made.  Unless you are under some extreme medical duress and you feel abortion is your choice shame on YOU.  I don't believe in taking things away as a means of controlling others. A woman considering abortion doesn't need anymore condemnation and shame.  But I do compassionately advise against it.  And I do believe it should be illegal or at least harder to obtain.

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Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 And might I ask you a question?  How many women have you consoled in the after math of an abortion?  Have you ever had one?  Are you aware of the dangers and the long term emotional/mental trauma?  What about the lies and sugar coating told to women about the procedure?

Lying to women is your specialty. I wonder how many have suffered because of your holier-than-thou, selfish actions.



Tell me, is "Biomax Procurement Services" a real company or is that a lie?

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Quote from: "Dove"http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/29/why-planned-parenthood-cant-donate-tissue-from-harvested-babies/

That is sickening Dove.

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Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 And might I ask you a question?  How many women have you consoled in the after math of an abortion?  Have you ever had one?  Are you aware of the dangers and the long term emotional/mental trauma?  What about the lies and sugar coating told to women about the procedure?

Lying to women is your specialty. I wonder how many have suffered because of your holier-than-thou, selfish actions.



Tell me, is "Biomax Procurement Services" a real company or is that a lie?

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Quote from: "Dove"http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/29/why-planned-parenthood-cant-donate-tissue-from-harvested-babies/

That is sickening Dove.

 :beurk:

It's also a big load of horse shit.  Late term pregnancies are only terminated when maternal health is at risk.  These are not people having abortions because they are wreckless sluts who made poor life choices.



I see no problem using fetal tissue or organs if it is to save the life of another.



I think following conspiracy theories as if they are proven truth is reckless.



Now back to HUNTING.

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Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 And might I ask you a question?  How many women have you consoled in the after math of an abortion?  Have you ever had one?  Are you aware of the dangers and the long term emotional/mental trauma?  What about the lies and sugar coating told to women about the procedure?

Lying to women is your specialty. I wonder how many have suffered because of your holier-than-thou, selfish actions.



Tell me, is "Biomax Procurement Services" a real company or is that a lie?

I'm one of them, you moron.

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Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 And might I ask you a question?  How many women have you consoled in the after math of an abortion?  Have you ever had one?  Are you aware of the dangers and the long term emotional/mental trauma?  What about the lies and sugar coating told to women about the procedure?

Lying to women is your specialty. I wonder how many have suffered because of your holier-than-thou, selfish actions.



Tell me, is "Biomax Procurement Services" a real company or is that a lie?

I'm one of them, you moron.

One of what? Women? I know that. You're still lying to women.



Is "Biomax Procurement Services" a real company or is that a lie?

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Quote from: "Dove"http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/29/why-planned-parenthood-cant-donate-tissue-from-harvested-babies/

That is sickening Dove.

 :beurk:

It's also a big load of horse shit.  Late term pregnancies are only terminated when maternal health is at risk.  These are not people having abortions because they are wreckless sluts who made poor life choices.



I see no problem using fetal tissue or organs if it is to save the life of another.



I think following conspiracy theories as if they are proven truth is reckless.



Now back to HUNTING.

 Dude, maybe in your country that's true. But not here in the states. I wouldn't call a woman a 'wreck less slut',  but the higher percent of abortions are absolutely NOT done due to medical reasons.

Quote from: "Dove"No I've had an abortion. The women I mentor in recovery have had them. In fact, every female at the mission has had one. One of my best friends has had 3. She's attempted suicide because if it. I'm not interested in biomax services, they have something to gain from this.  Abortion clinics and liberals lie.  Let me know when you are out there helping actual flesh and blood women who are suffering from this.

Quote from: "Dove"No I've had an abortion.  The women I mentor in recovery have had them. In fact, every female at the mission has had one. One of my best friends has had 3. She's attempted suicide because if it. I'm not interested in biomax services, they have something to gain from this.  Abortion clinics and liberals lie.  Let me know when you are out there helping actual flesh and blood women who are suffering from this.

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Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 And might I ask you a question?  How many women have you consoled in the after math of an abortion?  Have you ever had one?  Are you aware of the dangers and the long term emotional/mental trauma?  What about the lies and sugar coating told to women about the procedure?

Lying to women is your specialty. I wonder how many have suffered because of your holier-than-thou, selfish actions.



Tell me, is "Biomax Procurement Services" a real company or is that a lie?

I'm one of them, you moron.

One of what? Women? I know that. You're still lying to women.



Is "Biomax Procurement Services" a real company or is that a lie?

 No I've had an abortion.  The women I mentor in recovery have had them. In fact, every female at the mission has had one. One of my best friends has had 3. She's attempted suicide because if it. I'm not interested in biomax services, they have something to gain from this.  Abortion clinics and liberals lie.  Let me know when you are out there helping actual flesh and blood women who are suffering from this.

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Quote from: "Dove"No I've had an abortion.  The women I mentor in recovery have had them. In fact, every female at the mission has had one. One of my best friends has had 3. She's attempted suicide because if it. I'm not interested in biomax services, they have something to gain from this.  Abortion clinics and liberals lie.  Let me know when you are out there helping actual flesh and blood women who are suffering from this.

Abortion clinics and liberals lie?  Okay, everybody lies so that's true but I have to wonder why you single those two groups out.  Here we have a case where a guy faked being from a company that doesn't really exist as a part of a damn near decade long attack on abortion clinics as a means of shutting them down.  You say abortion clinics and liberals lie where we have a pretty clear cut case of this guy David Daleiden outright and obviously lying to try to capture information.



So do you want to try that again?

Quote from: "Mere Male"I'm trying to help actual flesh and blood women right now by setting you straight.

Quote from: "Mere Male" You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women



..... and a whole lot more strong arm bullshit in an area you have no place in  

Quote from: "cc la femme"I've mainly kept out of this, but you have gone places no male has a place in .. so mere male, I'm going to address your strong arm tactics

Quote from: "Mere Male"I'm trying to help actual flesh and blood women right now by setting you straight.

Quote from: "Mere Male" You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women



..... and a whole lot more strong arm bullshit in an area you have no place in  

First, as a male, if you are one, you have no say over ANY woman - file that



Second if she expresses opinion it is her right to do so ... unless the thought police you seem to think you are one of have made it illegal



You mouth off on this issue a lot thinking you are the law and have the duty to put women straight... when as a mere male it is not your place to judge any woman .... unless she get's so pissed off @ your out of place strong come on  tactics that she cuts your balls off ... in which case you have place to judge  .... and in which case  I'll feed them to the wolves and  pay for her lawyer



When you grow a pussy get back to me

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Quote from: "Dove"No I've had an abortion.  The women I mentor in recovery have had them. In fact, every female at the mission has had one. One of my best friends has had 3. She's attempted suicide because if it. I'm not interested in biomax services, they have something to gain from this.  Abortion clinics and liberals lie.  Let me know when you are out there helping actual flesh and blood women who are suffering from this.

Abortion clinics and liberals lie?  Okay, everybody lies so that's true but I have to wonder why you single those two groups out.  Here we have a case where a guy faked being from a company that doesn't really exist as a part of a damn near decade long attack on abortion clinics as a means of shutting them down.  You say abortion clinics and liberals lie where we have a pretty clear cut case of this guy David Daleiden outright and obviously lying to try to capture information.



So do you want to try that again?

Yeah but the question is did David Daleiden break any laws in his gathering of information? Probably not. But did PP break any laws by offering to sell fetal body parts to a bogus company? If it turns out that they actually entertained the concept of selling fetal parts then yes, they are in violation of the law.



If the evidence provided by Biomax (real or not) is legitimate enough to investigate PP then they will be investigated. It matters not how the info was gathered. Arguing who is more moral, the baby killers or the guy trying to shut them down by subterfuge is just ludicrous.

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Quote from: "cc la femme"I've mainly kept out of this, but you have gone places no male has a place in .. so mere male, I'm going to address your strong arm tactics

Quote from: "Mere Male"I'm trying to help actual flesh and blood women right now by setting you straight.

Quote from: "Mere Male" You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women



..... and a whole lot more strong arm bullshit in an area you have no place in  

First, as a male, if you are one, you have no say over ANY woman - file that



Second if she expresses opinion it is her right to do so ... unless the thought police you seem to think you are one of have made it illegal



You mouth off on this issue a lot thinking you are the law and have the duty to put women straight... when as a mere male it is not your place to judge any woman .... unless she get's so pissed off @ your out of place strong come on  tactics that she cuts your balls off ... in which case you have place to judge  .... and in which case  I'll feed them to the wolves and  pay for her lawyer



When you grow a pussy get back to me

He can mouth off as much as he likes and although I don't disagree with some of his points, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth nonetheless.  To me, he reads like a feminist which is to say the only opinion a woman is allowed to have is one that feminism supports.  It doesn't fly with me.

Quote from: "RW"Oh come on Herman.  Put on some oven mitts and grab a position :)

Quote from: "RW"You've said hi haven't you?  That's enough for us  ac_biggrin

Quote from: "cc la femme"First, as a male, if you are one, you have no say over ANY woman - file that



Second if she expresses opinion it is her right to do so ... unless the thought police you seem to think you are one of have made it illegal



You mouth off on this issue a lot thinking you are the law and have the duty to put women straight... when as a mere male it is not your place to judge any woman .... unless she get's so pissed off @ your out of place strong come on  tactics that she cuts your balls off ... in which case you have place to judge  .... and in which case  I'll feed them to the wolves and  pay for her lawyer



When you grow a pussy and are fertile  get back to me



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Quote from: "RW"To me, he reads like a feminist which is to say the only opinion a woman is allowed to have is one that feminism supports.

Quote from: "Mere Male"I'm trying to help actual flesh and blood women right now by setting you straight.

Quote from: "cc la femme"To put the above in context, and to display the unearned arrogance that defies what you just said,  my response was in part triggered by this "gem"

Quote from: "Mere Male"I'm trying to help actual flesh and blood women right now by setting you straight.

Quote from: "Dove"It all matters. Life is sacred. There is a way to kill for food and not waste. I'm very pro life, my views on that aren't movable and not popular.

Quote from: "RW"If you'd bother to quote me properly Romero, I said in my post that you are indeed entitled to your opinion, just as us women are entitled to say, "Hey pal, we don't need your help asserting our reproductive rights."



My point was the chastising that women receive from the feminism bench if women don't agree with their position is unappealing.  Your need to help women by setting other women straight isn't taken as chivalry but rather viewed by some as sexism.

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Quote from: "Dove"No I've had an abortion. The women I mentor in recovery have had them. In fact, every female at the mission has had one. One of my best friends has had 3. She's attempted suicide because if it. I'm not interested in biomax services, they have something to gain from this.  Abortion clinics and liberals lie.  Let me know when you are out there helping actual flesh and blood women who are suffering from this.

I'm trying to help actual flesh and blood women right now by setting you straight.



Your alleged abortion has nothing to do with the health and rights of other women. Console them all you wish. Don't try to take their rights away.



You chose to have an alleged abortion. You get to choose what to do with your body. And now you want to take the very rights you have away from everyone else.



You got everything you wanted! Now you feel all guilty and you want to make up for it by taking it out on people you don't even know! Worry about your own sins.



I'll take it that "Biomax" is a fake company and a lie. Lying is a sin.



Hmm. I'm not lying and I've never had an abortion. Well, who's holier-than-thou now? Sounds like you would be better off taking my advice.

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Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 And might I ask you a question?  How many women have you consoled in the after math of an abortion?  Have you ever had one?  Are you aware of the dangers and the long term emotional/mental trauma?  What about the lies and sugar coating told to women about the procedure?

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Quote from: "cc la femme"First, as a male, if you are one, you have no say over ANY woman - file that



Second if she expresses opinion it is her right to do so ... unless the thought police you seem to think you are one of have made it illegal



You mouth off on this issue a lot thinking you are the law and have the duty to put women straight... when as a mere male it is not your place to judge any woman .... unless she get's so pissed off @ your out of place strong come on  tactics that she cuts your balls off ... in which case you have place to judge  .... and in which case  I'll feed them to the wolves and  pay for her lawyer



When you grow a pussy and are fertile  get back to me



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:laugh: You're adorable when you try to act tough, thought police!

Quote from: "RW"To me, he reads like a feminist which is to say the only opinion a woman is allowed to have is one that feminism supports.

I've never tried to disallow any woman from having an opinion. And I'm allowed to have my opinion, correct?

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Quote from: "Dove"No I've had an abortion. The women I mentor in recovery have had them. In fact, every female at the mission has had one. One of my best friends has had 3. She's attempted suicide because if it. I'm not interested in biomax services, they have something to gain from this.  Abortion clinics and liberals lie.  Let me know when you are out there helping actual flesh and blood women who are suffering from this.

I'm trying to help actual flesh and blood women right now by setting you straight.



Your alleged abortion has nothing to do with the health and rights of other women. Console them all you wish. Don't try to take their rights away.



You chose to have an alleged abortion. You get to choose what to do with your body. And now you want to take the very rights you have away from everyone else.



You got everything you wanted! Now you feel all guilty and you want to make up for it by taking it out on people you don't even know! Worry about your own sins.



I'll take it that "Biomax" is a fake company and a lie. Lying is a sin.



Hmm. I'm not lying and I've never had an abortion. Well, who's holier-than-thou now? Sounds like you would be better off taking my advice.

  The problem is that your idea of "helping" is akin to handing someone a loaded gun, shugging and saying "it's your choice".  Are you even in the business of bringing life into the world? You are a gay male, right?

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Quote from: "cc la femme"First, as a male, if you are one, you have no say over ANY woman - file that



Second if she expresses opinion it is her right to do so ... unless the thought police you seem to think you are one of have made it illegal



You mouth off on this issue a lot thinking you are the law and have the duty to put women straight... when as a mere male it is not your place to judge any woman .... unless she get's so pissed off @ your out of place strong come on  tactics that she cuts your balls off ... in which case you have place to judge  .... and in which case  I'll feed them to the wolves and  pay for her lawyer



When you grow a pussy and are fertile  get back to me



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:laugh: You're adorable when you try to act tough, thought police!

Quote from: "RW"To me, he reads like a feminist which is to say the only opinion a woman is allowed to have is one that feminism supports.

I've never tried to disallow any woman from having an opinion. And I'm allowed to have my opinion, correct?

 As a gay male you have absolutely no valid opinion on this. Sit down and be grateful your mom didn't have your skull crushed and tissues donated for 75 a pop.

Quote from: "SPECTRE"Its easier to straighten a pigs tail than a women's mind.



Men have no place in this debate.

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Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 And might I ask you a question?  How many women have you consoled in the after math of an abortion?  Have you ever had one?  Are you aware of the dangers and the long term emotional/mental trauma?  What about the lies and sugar coating told to women about the procedure?

The procedure is as safe as any other surgery - with the advantage of not needing general anaesthesia.  You don't even need pain killers.  They use local anaesthesia.

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Quote from: "Romero"You get women's health care. You get to choose what to do with your body.



And you would take that away from millions of other women. And lie doing it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 And might I ask you a question?  How many women have you consoled in the after math of an abortion?  Have you ever had one?  Are you aware of the dangers and the long term emotional/mental trauma?  What about the lies and sugar coating told to women about the procedure?

The procedure is as safe as any other surgery - with the advantage of not needing general anaesthesia.  You don't even need pain killers.  They use local anaesthesia.

 I didn't get a local.  Sure it's about as safe as any surgery. Except when they are attempting to collect organs.

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Quote from: "Dove"It all matters. Life is sacred. There is a way to kill for food and not waste. I'm very pro life, my views on that aren't movable and not popular.

We disagree - but I won't get heavy into it*  ac_smile



I just want to say that something that impressed me as an advantage of abortion for society is that children that wouldn't be properly looked after - that would become criminals from being unloved/being born into a crappy situation/being influenced to be criminals have not been born thanks to abortion.  The evidence of that is indirect from New York crime rate going down a few decades after Rowe vs Wade (not my concept - I got it from the documentary "Freakonomics" //http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152822/).



*Dove, I don't believe that the being that is aborted is a person or that it has feelings.  We might disagree on this point, and my callousness might be rough.  In real life I would never say these things because these kinds of opinions ruin people's friendships.

Quote from: "Dove"RW, I don't wish to live in a world where human life is taken out like trash or redeemed as a specimen. I realize that's where it's going, and perhaps I'm a dying breed that actually gives a real shit about people?

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Quote from: "Dove"It all matters. Life is sacred. There is a way to kill for food and not waste. I'm very pro life, my views on that aren't movable and not popular.

We disagree - but I won't get heavy into it*  ac_smile



I just want to say that something that impressed me as an advantage of abortion for society is that children that wouldn't be properly looked after - that would become criminals from being unloved/being born into a crappy situation/being influenced to be criminals have not been born thanks to abortion.  The evidence of that is indirect from New York crime rate going down a few decades after Rowe vs Wade (not my concept - I got it from the documentary "Freakonomics" //http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152822/).



*Dove, I don't believe that the being that is aborted is a person or that it has feelings.  We might disagree on this point, and my callousness might be rough.  In real life I would never say these things because these kinds of opinions ruin people's friendships.

 I want you to look at how, since Roe vs Wade was done to the US, we have declined with that instead of improved. I mean come on. Maybe in theory but reality has told a very different story, hasn't it?   And if you are living in a society that looks to abortion as a solution to social ills....wtf, does that about the state of humanity?

Quote from: "Dove"The problem is that your idea of "helping" is akin to handing someone a loaded gun, shugging and saying "it's your choice".  Are you even in the business of bringing life into the world? You are a gay male, right?

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Quote from: "Dove"It all matters. Life is sacred. There is a way to kill for food and not waste. I'm very pro life, my views on that aren't movable and not popular.

We disagree - but I won't get heavy into it*  ac_smile



I just want to say that something that impressed me as an advantage of abortion for society is that children that wouldn't be properly looked after - that would become criminals from being unloved/being born into a crappy situation/being influenced to be criminals have not been born thanks to abortion.  The evidence of that is indirect from New York crime rate going down a few decades after Rowe vs Wade (not my concept - I got it from the documentary "Freakonomics" //http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152822/).



*Dove, I don't believe that the being that is aborted is a person or that it has feelings.  We might disagree on this point, and my callousness might be rough.  In real life I would never say these things because these kinds of opinions ruin people's friendships.

 I want you to look at how, since Roe vs Wade was done to the US, we have declined with that instead of improved. I mean come on. Maybe in theory but reality has told a very different story, hasn't it?   And if you are living in a society that looks to abortion as a solution to social ills....wtf, does that about the state of humanity?

What would your life look like if you had that child you aborted?

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Quote from: "Dove"It all matters. Life is sacred. There is a way to kill for food and not waste. I'm very pro life, my views on that aren't movable and not popular.

We disagree - but I won't get heavy into it*  ac_smile



I just want to say that something that impressed me as an advantage of abortion for society is that children that wouldn't be properly looked after - that would become criminals from being unloved/being born into a crappy situation/being influenced to be criminals have not been born thanks to abortion.  The evidence of that is indirect from New York crime rate going down a few decades after Rowe vs Wade (not my concept - I got it from the documentary "Freakonomics" //http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152822/).



*Dove, I don't believe that the being that is aborted is a person or that it has feelings.  We might disagree on this point, and my callousness might be rough.  In real life I would never say these things because these kinds of opinions ruin people's friendships.

 I want you to look at how, since Roe vs Wade was done to the US, we have declined with that instead of improved. I mean come on. Maybe in theory but reality has told a very different story, hasn't it?   And if you are living in a society that looks to abortion as a solution to social ills....wtf, does that about the state of humanity?

What would your life look like if you had that child you aborted?

 Is this a real question?

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "asal"

Quote from: "Dove"It all matters. Life is sacred. There is a way to kill for food and not waste. I'm very pro life, my views on that aren't movable and not popular.

We disagree - but I won't get heavy into it*  ac_smile



I just want to say that something that impressed me as an advantage of abortion for society is that children that wouldn't be properly looked after - that would become criminals from being unloved/being born into a crappy situation/being influenced to be criminals have not been born thanks to abortion.  The evidence of that is indirect from New York crime rate going down a few decades after Rowe vs Wade (not my concept - I got it from the documentary "Freakonomics" //http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152822/).



*Dove, I don't believe that the being that is aborted is a person or that it has feelings.  We might disagree on this point, and my callousness might be rough.  In real life I would never say these things because these kinds of opinions ruin people's friendships.

 I want you to look at how, since Roe vs Wade was done to the US, we have declined with that instead of improved. I mean come on. Maybe in theory but reality has told a very different story, hasn't it?   And if you are living in a society that looks to abortion as a solution to social ills....wtf, does that about the state of humanity?

Quote from: "Romero"There are more abortions, deaths and injuries in countries where abortions are illegal. It's safe and legal in developed countries. It's a horror show in undeveloped countries. Their restrictions have not worked out well in any way whatsoever.



Nobody can actually stop a woman from having the right to choose. If she wants one, she's going to have one. The number of abortions are no less in countries where it's illegal. Legalizing makes it safe and saves lives.



We have to remember that it's not just women deciding they don't feel like having a child. There are hundreds of reasons why, from personal to medical, that the rest of us could never understand.



We can't make that decision for them. It's none of our business.



The number of abortions has actually been dropping in countries where it's legal. Why? Because of legalization, education, and the availability of contraception.



That works. Criminalizing and treating women like they're breeding livestock does not.



In heavily-Catholic, illegal abortion Brazil, approximately 1-3 million women get abortions every year. An estimated 200,000-300,000 are hospitalized for unsafe abortion.



Is that what we want? Show me any country where abortion law is working.

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Quote from: "Romero"There are more abortions, deaths and injuries in countries where abortions are illegal. It's safe and legal in developed countries. It's a horror show in undeveloped countries. Their restrictions have not worked out well in any way whatsoever.



Nobody can actually stop a woman from having the right to choose. If she wants one, she's going to have one. The number of abortions are no less in countries where it's illegal. Legalizing makes it safe and saves lives.



We have to remember that it's not just women deciding they don't feel like having a child. There are hundreds of reasons why, from personal to medical, that the rest of us could never understand.



We can't make that decision for them. It's none of our business.



The number of abortions has actually been dropping in countries where it's legal. Why? Because of legalization, education, and the availability of contraception.



That works. Criminalizing and treating women like they're breeding livestock does not.



In heavily-Catholic, illegal abortion Brazil, approximately 1-3 million women get abortions every year. An estimated 200,000-300,000 are hospitalized for unsafe abortion.



Is that what we want? Show me any country where abortion law is working.

Legalizing the murder of unborn children saves lives??



Abortion is about taking a life not saving one.

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "asal"

Quote from: "Dove"It all matters. Life is sacred. There is a way to kill for food and not waste. I'm very pro life, my views on that aren't movable and not popular.

We disagree - but I won't get heavy into it*  ac_smile



I just want to say that something that impressed me as an advantage of abortion for society is that children that wouldn't be properly looked after - that would become criminals from being unloved/being born into a crappy situation/being influenced to be criminals have not been born thanks to abortion.  The evidence of that is indirect from New York crime rate going down a few decades after Rowe vs Wade (not my concept - I got it from the documentary "Freakonomics" //http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152822/).



*Dove, I don't believe that the being that is aborted is a person or that it has feelings.  We might disagree on this point, and my callousness might be rough.  In real life I would never say these things because these kinds of opinions ruin people's friendships.

 I want you to look at how, since Roe vs Wade was done to the US, we have declined with that instead of improved. I mean come on. Maybe in theory but reality has told a very different story, hasn't it?   And if you are living in a society that looks to abortion as a solution to social ills....wtf, does that about the state of humanity?

What would your life look like if you had that child you aborted?

 Is this a real question?

Does it look like a fake question?  You're talking about solutions to social ills.  How did it change your life?

Quote from: "Romero"There are more abortions, deaths and injuries in countries where abortions are illegal. It's safe and legal in developed countries. It's a horror show in undeveloped countries. Their restrictions have not worked out well in any way whatsoever.



Nobody can actually stop a woman from having the right to choose. If she wants one, she's going to have one. The number of abortions are no less in countries where it's illegal. Legalizing makes it safe and saves lives.



We have to remember that it's not just women deciding they don't feel like having a child. There are hundreds of reasons why, from personal to medical, that the rest of us could never understand.



We can't make that decision for them. It's none of our business.



The number of abortions has actually been dropping in countries where it's legal. Why? Because of legalization, education, and the availability of contraception.



That works. Criminalizing and treating women like they're breeding livestock does not.



In heavily-Catholic, illegal abortion Brazil, approximately 1-3 million women get abortions every year. An estimated 200,000-300,000 are hospitalized for unsafe abortion.



Is that what we want? Show me any country where abortion law is working.

Quote from: "asal"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "asal"

Quote from: "Dove"It all matters. Life is sacred. There is a way to kill for food and not waste. I'm very pro life, my views on that aren't movable and not popular.

We disagree - but I won't get heavy into it*  ac_smile



I just want to say that something that impressed me as an advantage of abortion for society is that children that wouldn't be properly looked after - that would become criminals from being unloved/being born into a crappy situation/being influenced to be criminals have not been born thanks to abortion.  The evidence of that is indirect from New York crime rate going down a few decades after Rowe vs Wade (not my concept - I got it from the documentary "Freakonomics" //http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152822/).



*Dove, I don't believe that the being that is aborted is a person or that it has feelings.  We might disagree on this point, and my callousness might be rough.  In real life I would never say these things because these kinds of opinions ruin people's friendships.

 I want you to look at how, since Roe vs Wade was done to the US, we have declined with that instead of improved. I mean come on. Maybe in theory but reality has told a very different story, hasn't it?   And if you are living in a society that looks to abortion as a solution to social ills....wtf, does that about the state of humanity?

We aren't in a society that looks to abortion as a solution to social ills.  Incidentally, the availability of abortion has prevented the births of criminals, amongst numerous other benefits.



Where abortion is not legal ... women suffer, I'll just say that, women suffer.  In Brazil, someone whose story I know, this girl got pregnant four (4) times.  Knowing about how she got pregnant did not stop her from continuing to have unprotected sex.  She had unprotected sex for several reasons - including the prohibitive cost of birth control in her case.  Because Brazil does not allow abortions (//https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Brazil) - she had someone kick her in the stomach and throw her down stairs, and she took other kinds of medication that were known to cause abortions.  Those pregnancies happened within a few years - I don't know how she's doing now.

Quote from: "Dove"Like pretty much 90 percent of the other women who have used their power of choice too late in the game.

QuoteAccording to a recent study from the University of California, San Francisco, 95% of women who have had an abortion report that they believe doing so was the right decision for them.



The study, published in the academic journal PLOS ONE, surveyed 667 women over the course of three years.



The study evaluated the women's emotional state for three years following their abortions through semi-annual phone surveys that were conducted every six months after their abortions.



The results showed that while 53% of participants felt that the decision to get an abortion ranged from being "difficult" to "very difficult," an overwhelming 95% of women did not regret their decisions.



The women reported positive emotions regarding their abortions, most notably, with "relief" as a predominant emotion.



//http://mashable.com/2015/07/16/abortion-no-regrets/

Quote from: "Dove"I really wish I would have chosen birth control or abstinence, and I wish I would have stepped up and did the right thing.

Quote from: "Dove"Why not just legalize murder period?  It's illegal and still happens after all.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Romero"There are more abortions, deaths and injuries in countries where abortions are illegal. It's safe and legal in developed countries. It's a horror show in undeveloped countries. Their restrictions have not worked out well in any way whatsoever.



Nobody can actually stop a woman from having the right to choose. If she wants one, she's going to have one. The number of abortions are no less in countries where it's illegal. Legalizing makes it safe and saves lives.



We have to remember that it's not just women deciding they don't feel like having a child. There are hundreds of reasons why, from personal to medical, that the rest of us could never understand.



We can't make that decision for them. It's none of our business.



The number of abortions has actually been dropping in countries where it's legal. Why? Because of legalization, education, and the availability of contraception.



That works. Criminalizing and treating women like they're breeding livestock does not.



In heavily-Catholic, illegal abortion Brazil, approximately 1-3 million women get abortions every year. An estimated 200,000-300,000 are hospitalized for unsafe abortion.



Is that what we want? Show me any country where abortion law is working.

Legalizing the murder of unborn children saves lives??



Abortion is about taking a life not saving one.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Dove"Like pretty much 90 percent of the other women who have used their power of choice too late in the game.

Another lie you're telling women who don't deserve to be lied to.

QuoteAccording to a recent study from the University of California, San Francisco, 95% of women who have had an abortion report that they believe doing so was the right decision for them.



The study, published in the academic journal PLOS ONE, surveyed 667 women over the course of three years.



The study evaluated the women's emotional state for three years following their abortions through semi-annual phone surveys that were conducted every six months after their abortions.



The results showed that while 53% of participants felt that the decision to get an abortion ranged from being "difficult" to "very difficult," an overwhelming 95% of women did not regret their decisions.



The women reported positive emotions regarding their abortions, most notably, with "relief" as a predominant emotion.



//http://mashable.com/2015/07/16/abortion-no-regrets/

You're endangering women by lying to them. It's about their health and well-being, not about your guilt.

Quote from: "Dove"I really wish I would have chosen birth control or abstinence, and I wish I would have stepped up and did the right thing.

But for 1.2 billion Catholics, birth control is a sin. How nice for you that you wish you had a choice. Yet when you "console" women, you tell them that they don't get any choice and you lie to them to get your way. Your personal choice is up to you and their personal choice is up to you too!



You're not a doctor. You should leave the "consoling" to professionals without an agenda. At least they know they're not supposed to lie to their clients.

Quote from: "Dove"Why not just legalize murder period?  It's illegal and still happens after all.

So, you're like a murderer? Should you be spending your life in prison? I bet you're glad that you're not, even though you would want to make every other woman a criminal just for having the same choice you did.

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "asal"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "asal"

Quote from: "Dove"It all matters. Life is sacred. There is a way to kill for food and not waste. I'm very pro life, my views on that aren't movable and not popular.

We disagree - but I won't get heavy into it*  ac_smile



I just want to say that something that impressed me as an advantage of abortion for society is that children that wouldn't be properly looked after - that would become criminals from being unloved/being born into a crappy situation/being influenced to be criminals have not been born thanks to abortion.  The evidence of that is indirect from New York crime rate going down a few decades after Rowe vs Wade (not my concept - I got it from the documentary "Freakonomics" //http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1152822/).



*Dove, I don't believe that the being that is aborted is a person or that it has feelings.  We might disagree on this point, and my callousness might be rough.  In real life I would never say these things because these kinds of opinions ruin people's friendships.

 I want you to look at how, since Roe vs Wade was done to the US, we have declined with that instead of improved. I mean come on. Maybe in theory but reality has told a very different story, hasn't it?   And if you are living in a society that looks to abortion as a solution to social ills....wtf, does that about the state of humanity?

We aren't in a society that looks to abortion as a solution to social ills.  Incidentally, the availability of abortion has prevented the births of criminals, amongst numerous other benefits.



Where abortion is not legal ... women suffer, I'll just say that, women suffer.  In Brazil, someone whose story I know, this girl got pregnant four (4) times.  Knowing about how she got pregnant did not stop her from continuing to have unprotected sex.  She had unprotected sex for several reasons - including the prohibitive cost of birth control in her case.  Because Brazil does not allow abortions (//https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Brazil) - she had someone kick her in the stomach and throw her down stairs, and she took other kinds of medication that were known to cause abortions.  Those pregnancies happened within a few years - I don't know how she's doing now.

 

Quote from: "Dove"Did you really just say abortion prevents criminals from being born?

Quote from: "Dove"  And women still suffer in countries where it's legal.

Quote from: "Dove"  Seems like not getting pregnant is more of a solution.

Quote from: "RW"You do realise Romero that your link says 95% of women felt relief.  What did the other 5% feel?  Did they feel the same way Dove felt/feels?  Her personal and anecdotal accounts don't make her a liar and actually fall within your "proof that she's lying" cut and paste survey results.  



She's not endangering anyone but you are being a jackass.



You don't need to be a doctor or some kind of professional to console someone.  That statement is ridiculous.



Does it feel good to beat up on a woman who had an abortion and now regrets doing it and wants to save other women the same misery?  Do women not deserve to know what those who didn't feel "relief" actually felt?  



Don't worry about us Catholics.  We use condoms for "disease prevention".

Quote from: "cc la femme"Who the hell does this mere male think he is. He says he doesn't believe in god while at the same time thinking he is god



I'm out of this thread if he / it  is involved



in fact maybe the site.



Is it a mod here?

QuoteThe Senate will vote as early as Monday on a bill to strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding, a largely symbolic vote causing pain for centrists in both parties and drawing fire from conservatives who say it won't satisfy their quest to put the organization out of business.



The bill isn't expected to garner the 60 votes needed to advance, as nearly all Democrats object to it. Its defeat, however, won't end the effort to cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood.



//http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "cc la femme"First, as a male, if you are one, you have no say over ANY woman - file that



Second if she expresses opinion it is her right to do so ... unless the thought police you seem to think you are one of have made it illegal



You mouth off on this issue a lot thinking you are the law and have the duty to put women straight... when as a mere male it is not your place to judge any woman .... unless she get's so pissed off @ your out of place strong come on  tactics that she cuts your balls off ... in which case you have place to judge  .... and in which case  I'll feed them to the wolves and  pay for her lawyer



When you grow a pussy and are fertile  get back to me



Post Edit - assuming you have not fully  grown one already

:laugh: You're adorable when you try to act tough, thought police!

Quote from: "RW"To me, he reads like a feminist which is to say the only opinion a woman is allowed to have is one that feminism supports.

I've never tried to disallow any woman from having an opinion. And I'm allowed to have my opinion, correct?

 As a gay male you have absolutely no valid opinion on this. Sit down and be grateful your mom didn't have your skull crushed and tissues donated for 75 a pop.

Who said he was gay and why would that invalidate his opinion?

Quote from: "Romero"

QuoteThe Senate will vote as early as Monday on a bill to strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding, a largely symbolic vote causing pain for centrists in both parties and drawing fire from conservatives who say it won't satisfy their quest to put the organization out of business.



The bill isn't expected to garner the 60 votes needed to advance, as nearly all Democrats object to it. Its defeat, however, won't end the effort to cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood.



//http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764

This is what the 'baby parts' liars are up to. Planned Parenthood provides health care, STD and cancer screenings, breast exams and much more to millions of women.



Defunding Planned Parenthood will endanger millions of women. Who's going to provide those services? Dove?

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "RW"You do realise Romero that your link says 95% of women felt relief.  What did the other 5% feel?  Did they feel the same way Dove felt/feels?  Her personal and anecdotal accounts don't make her a liar and actually fall within your "proof that she's lying" cut and paste survey results.  



She's not endangering anyone but you are being a jackass.



You don't need to be a doctor or some kind of professional to console someone.  That statement is ridiculous.



Does it feel good to beat up on a woman who had an abortion and now regrets doing it and wants to save other women the same misery?  Do women not deserve to know what those who didn't feel "relief" actually felt?  



Don't worry about us Catholics.  We use condoms for "disease prevention".

If her job is to console people, then her job is to tell the truth. Telling lies about women's health will endanger them. I can only imagine what other myths she's telling them. If she's going to have a personal bias, then she best leave it to professionals who aren't biased and will give the honest truth.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Dove"Like pretty much 90 percent of the other women who have used their power of choice too late in the game.

Another lie you're telling women who don't deserve to be lied to.

QuoteAccording to a recent study from the University of California, San Francisco, 95% of women who have had an abortion report that they believe doing so was the right decision for them.



The study, published in the academic journal PLOS ONE, surveyed 667 women over the course of three years.



The study evaluated the women's emotional state for three years following their abortions through semi-annual phone surveys that were conducted every six months after their abortions.



The results showed that while 53% of participants felt that the decision to get an abortion ranged from being "difficult" to "very difficult," an overwhelming 95% of women did not regret their decisions.



The women reported positive emotions regarding their abortions, most notably, with "relief" as a predominant emotion.



//http://mashable.com/2015/07/16/abortion-no-regrets/

You're endangering women by lying to them. It's about their health and well-being, not about your guilt.

Quote from: "Dove"I really wish I would have chosen birth control or abstinence, and I wish I would have stepped up and did the right thing.

But for 1.2 billion Catholics, birth control is a sin. How nice for you that you wish you had a choice. Yet when you "console" women, you tell them that they don't get any choice and you lie to them to get your way. Your personal choice is up to you and their personal choice is up to you too!



You're not a doctor. You should leave the "consoling" to professionals without an agenda. At least they know they're not supposed to lie to their clients.

Quote from: "Dove"Why not just legalize murder period?  It's illegal and still happens after all.

So, you're like a murderer? Should you be spending your life in prison? I bet you're glad that you're not, even though you would want to make every other woman a criminal just for having the same choice you did.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "RW"You do realise Romero that your link says 95% of women felt relief.  What did the other 5% feel?  Did they feel the same way Dove felt/feels?  Her personal and anecdotal accounts don't make her a liar and actually fall within your "proof that she's lying" cut and paste survey results.  



She's not endangering anyone but you are being a jackass.



You don't need to be a doctor or some kind of professional to console someone.  That statement is ridiculous.



Does it feel good to beat up on a woman who had an abortion and now regrets doing it and wants to save other women the same misery?  Do women not deserve to know what those who didn't feel "relief" actually felt?  



Don't worry about us Catholics.  We use condoms for "disease prevention".

If her job is to console people, then her job is to tell the truth. Telling lies about women's health will endanger them. I can only imagine what other myths she's telling them. If she's going to have a personal bias, then she best leave it to professionals who aren't biased and will give the honest truth.

Quote from: "Romero"

QuoteThe Senate will vote as early as Monday on a bill to strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding, a largely symbolic vote causing pain for centrists in both parties and drawing fire from conservatives who say it won't satisfy their quest to put the organization out of business.



The bill isn't expected to garner the 60 votes needed to advance, as nearly all Democrats object to it. Its defeat, however, won't end the effort to cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood.



//http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764

This is what the 'baby parts' liars are up to. Planned Parenthood provides health care, STD and cancer screenings, breast exams and much more to millions of women.



Defunding Planned Parenthood will endanger millions of women. Who's going to provide those services? Dove?

Quote from: "RW"Allowing a woman a choice and a voice is allowing her to be pro-life.  These feminist types don't get that.

Quoteonly the ones he agrees with.

Quote from: "Wulf"Translation: The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!! :crazy: leftwing blather.  



PP is not part of the US government and is in no way deserving of the tax dollars it sucks up each year. For the most part it is a so-called not for profit organization and lobbying group aligned with the far left agenda. The US government has no business funding it with taxpayer money and just for the record.....I feel that way about ANY non-governmental agency.



Like so many other drains on the government trough, it's nothing but a social activist organization that operates off of the taxpayer's back. I say fuck that shit, cut them loose and see if they can float without sticking their hands in the combined wallets of the US taxpayer.

Quote from: "Wulf"

Quote from: "Romero"

QuoteThe Senate will vote as early as Monday on a bill to strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding, a largely symbolic vote causing pain for centrists in both parties and drawing fire from conservatives who say it won't satisfy their quest to put the organization out of business.



The bill isn't expected to garner the 60 votes needed to advance, as nearly all Democrats object to it. Its defeat, however, won't end the effort to cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood.



//http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764

This is what the 'baby parts' liars are up to. Planned Parenthood provides health care, STD and cancer screenings, breast exams and much more to millions of women.



Defunding Planned Parenthood will endanger millions of women. Who's going to provide those services? Dove?

Translation: The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!! :crazy: leftwing blather.  



PP is not part of the US government and is in no way deserving of the tax dollars it sucks up each year. For the most part it is a so-called not for profit organization and lobbying group aligned with the far left agenda. The US government has no business funding it with taxpayer money and just for the record.....I feel that way about ANY non-governmental agency.



Like so many other drains on the government trough, it's nothing but a social activist organization that operates off of the taxpayer's back. I say fuck that shit, cut them loose and see if they can float without sticking their hands in the combined wallets of the US taxpayer.

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "Romero"

QuoteThe Senate will vote as early as Monday on a bill to strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding, a largely symbolic vote causing pain for centrists in both parties and drawing fire from conservatives who say it won't satisfy their quest to put the organization out of business.



The bill isn't expected to garner the 60 votes needed to advance, as nearly all Democrats object to it. Its defeat, however, won't end the effort to cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood.



//http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764

This is what the 'baby parts' liars are up to. Planned Parenthood provides health care, STD and cancer screenings, breast exams and much more to millions of women.



Defunding Planned Parenthood will endanger millions of women. Who's going to provide those services? Dove?

 I got my IUD at planned parenthood. You don't get breast exams there, you don't get cancer screenings there. There are not doctors there. You see a nurse practitioner. You get birth control, std screenings and abortions at PP.   I'm telling you this as someone who has had their services.  But by all means.. ..keep posting links and ranting about "truth" when youve never experienced any of what I'm talking about. I had to have the IUD removed too, because it wasn't placed correctly and it caused me a lot of problems. Risks that I wasn't properly informed of by them, might I add.

Quote from: "seoulbro"

Quote from: "Wulf"

Quote from: "Romero"

QuoteThe Senate will vote as early as Monday on a bill to strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding, a largely symbolic vote causing pain for centrists in both parties and drawing fire from conservatives who say it won't satisfy their quest to put the organization out of business.



The bill isn't expected to garner the 60 votes needed to advance, as nearly all Democrats object to it. Its defeat, however, won't end the effort to cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood.



//http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764

This is what the 'baby parts' liars are up to. Planned Parenthood provides health care, STD and cancer screenings, breast exams and much more to millions of women.



Defunding Planned Parenthood will endanger millions of women. Who's going to provide those services? Dove?

Translation: The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!! :crazy: leftwing blather.  



PP is not part of the US government and is in no way deserving of the tax dollars it sucks up each year. For the most part it is a so-called not for profit organization and lobbying group aligned with the far left agenda. The US government has no business funding it with taxpayer money and just for the record.....I feel that way about ANY non-governmental agency.



Like so many other drains on the government trough, it's nothing but a social activist organization that operates off of the taxpayer's back. I say fuck that shit, cut them loose and see if they can float without sticking their hands in the combined wallets of the US taxpayer.

I dislike that predictable scaremongering that I've read from PP supporters. It's dishonest and insulting to all Americans. Life will go on for everyone as per usual if that organization stopped receiving a single tax dollar. Women's health will not be in crisis. PP's ability to meet it's bills will be, but not the health of American women.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Wulf"Translation: The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!! :crazy: leftwing blather.  



PP is not part of the US government and is in no way deserving of the tax dollars it sucks up each year. For the most part it is a so-called not for profit organization and lobbying group aligned with the far left agenda. The US government has no business funding it with taxpayer money and just for the record.....I feel that way about ANY non-governmental agency.



Like so many other drains on the government trough, it's nothing but a social activist organization that operates off of the taxpayer's back. I say fuck that shit, cut them loose and see if they can float without sticking their hands in the combined wallets of the US taxpayer.

Where will millions of women go to get health care? If millions are denied health care, it'll be much more expensive in the long run.

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "seoulbro"

Quote from: "Wulf"

Quote from: "Romero"

QuoteThe Senate will vote as early as Monday on a bill to strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding, a largely symbolic vote causing pain for centrists in both parties and drawing fire from conservatives who say it won't satisfy their quest to put the organization out of business.



The bill isn't expected to garner the 60 votes needed to advance, as nearly all Democrats object to it. Its defeat, however, won't end the effort to cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood.



//http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764

This is what the 'baby parts' liars are up to. Planned Parenthood provides health care, STD and cancer screenings, breast exams and much more to millions of women.



Defunding Planned Parenthood will endanger millions of women. Who's going to provide those services? Dove?

Translation: The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!! :crazy: leftwing blather.  



PP is not part of the US government and is in no way deserving of the tax dollars it sucks up each year. For the most part it is a so-called not for profit organization and lobbying group aligned with the far left agenda. The US government has no business funding it with taxpayer money and just for the record.....I feel that way about ANY non-governmental agency.



Like so many other drains on the government trough, it's nothing but a social activist organization that operates off of the taxpayer's back. I say fuck that shit, cut them loose and see if they can float without sticking their hands in the combined wallets of the US taxpayer.

I dislike that predictable scaremongering that I've read from PP supporters. It's dishonest and insulting to all Americans. Life will go on for everyone as per usual if that organization stopped receiving a single tax dollar. Women's health will not be in crisis. PP's ability to meet it's bills will be, but not the health of American women.

You sure it won't become more difficult for woman (mostly teens) to access reproductive health care services if PPs shut down?

Quote from: "Dove"Why don't you call them up and ask about getting a mammogram?

Quote from: "Dove"So advising against an abortion is endangering women's health?  You don't see your own bias?  You need to check yourself. Femnazis would eat you alive, you come off as a sexist pig.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Dove"So advising against an abortion is endangering women's health?  You don't see your own bias?  You need to check yourself. Femnazis would eat you alive, you come off as a sexist pig.

Lying and misleading about abortion can endanger health. Taking away women's right to abortion would endanger health.



You should learn what it's like for women in countries where abortion is restricted.

Quote from: "cc la femme"I think PP is pretty much finished. The full video versions are devastating for it



They & clones like Q try to use the short trailers to say they are edited. Of course short versions are - you wanna see the full versions .... but not before dinner

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Dove"So advising against an abortion is endangering women's health?  You don't see your own bias?  You need to check yourself. Femnazis would eat you alive, you come off as a sexist pig.

Lying and misleading about abortion can endanger health. Taking away women's right to abortion would endanger health.



You should learn what it's like for women in countries where abortion is restricted.

Quote from: "seoulbro"I dislike that predictable scaremongering that I've read from PP supporters. It's dishonest and insulting to all Americans. Life will go on for everyone as per usual if that organization stopped receiving a single tax dollar. Women's health will not be in crisis. PP's ability to meet it's bills will be, but not the health of American women.

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "seoulbro"

Quote from: "Wulf"

Quote from: "Romero"

QuoteThe Senate will vote as early as Monday on a bill to strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding, a largely symbolic vote causing pain for centrists in both parties and drawing fire from conservatives who say it won't satisfy their quest to put the organization out of business.



The bill isn't expected to garner the 60 votes needed to advance, as nearly all Democrats object to it. Its defeat, however, won't end the effort to cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood.



//http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764

This is what the 'baby parts' liars are up to. Planned Parenthood provides health care, STD and cancer screenings, breast exams and much more to millions of women.



Defunding Planned Parenthood will endanger millions of women. Who's going to provide those services? Dove?

Translation: The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!! :crazy: leftwing blather.  



PP is not part of the US government and is in no way deserving of the tax dollars it sucks up each year. For the most part it is a so-called not for profit organization and lobbying group aligned with the far left agenda. The US government has no business funding it with taxpayer money and just for the record.....I feel that way about ANY non-governmental agency.



Like so many other drains on the government trough, it's nothing but a social activist organization that operates off of the taxpayer's back. I say fuck that shit, cut them loose and see if they can float without sticking their hands in the combined wallets of the US taxpayer.

I dislike that predictable scaremongering that I've read from PP supporters. It's dishonest and insulting to all Americans. Life will go on for everyone as per usual if that organization stopped receiving a single tax dollar. Women's health will not be in crisis. PP's ability to meet it's bills will be, but not the health of American women.

You sure it won't become more difficult for woman (mostly teens) to access reproductive health care services if PPs shut down?

QuoteNot being correct due to ignorance isn't lying.

Quote from: "cc la femme"

QuoteNot being correct due to ignorance isn't lying.

Bad. That implies she is is wrong.



A quick search  does not make one  expert vs following something closely for years .



PP is an abortion / political tool from top to bottom

Quote from: "seoulbro"They won't be shut down if they lose federal funding. One-third of Planned Parenthood's revenues come from government grants (the rest is mainly from fees for services rendered at the health centers and from private donations). Planned Parenthood has made a profit for many years and also maintains status as a tax-exempt organization. I think it was Wulf who said they are using the sky is falling and he is right. They will still be around and so will teen abortions. Whenever there's demand, it will be filled.

Quote from: "Dove"Romero...just....wow.  You just keep illustrating how little you know about woman's health care.  There are millions of women who somehow get real and informed health care without ever seeing a planned parenthood. Go figure? Lol

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "seoulbro"They won't be shut down if they lose federal funding. One-third of Planned Parenthood's revenues come from government grants (the rest is mainly from fees for services rendered at the health centers and from private donations). Planned Parenthood has made a profit for many years and also maintains status as a tax-exempt organization. I think it was Wulf who said they are using the sky is falling and he is right. They will still be around and so will teen abortions. Whenever there's demand, it will be filled.

If Planned Parenthood didn't need the money, the government wouldn't be giving it to them.



If the federal and provincial governments took away one-third of health care funding, it wouldn't be a big deal?



You may not require Planned Parenthood's health care but millions of women do.

Quoteif Planned Parenthood didn't need the money, the government wouldn't be giving it to them.

Quote from: "ghost"Well I'll throw in my 2 cents.



Against abortion? Pro life? It's simple. Don't have an abortion.



But don't tell me what to do with my own body. The majority of pro lifers are doing it for religious reasons. Don't push your religion on me. Christianity isn't the only religion in the world. People have different opinions on when life begins. That's why it should be a 'choice'. Remember, choice doesn't mean you are pro abortion. It simply means you accept that it should be an individual's choice.



I do agree that there needs to be more psychological support for people who need it. Sadly, the majority of people can't afford it. Some people are able to get an abortion and be fine afterwards. Others have deep emotional trauma.



Because no two people are alike. It's really that simple.

Quote from: "Romero"Any "excess revenue" is used to provide services. It's not profit.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "ghost"Well I'll throw in my 2 cents.



Against abortion? Pro life? It's simple. Don't have an abortion.



But don't tell me what to do with my own body. The majority of pro lifers are doing it for religious reasons. Don't push your religion on me. Christianity isn't the only religion in the world. People have different opinions on when life begins. That's why it should be a 'choice'. Remember, choice doesn't mean you are pro abortion. It simply means you accept that it should be an individual's choice.



I do agree that there needs to be more psychological support for people who need it. Sadly, the majority of people can't afford it. Some people are able to get an abortion and be fine afterwards. Others have deep emotional trauma.



Because no two people are alike. It's really that simple.

Hello ghost, it's nice to see you again..



You said what I mentioned that the only way one can be in favour of abortion is if you believe the unborn child is not yet a person..



For those of that do believe the child is a person, it's murder, for those that don't it's about rights.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Romero"Any "excess revenue" is used to provide services. It's not profit.

No, it is not..



Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials [xxiii] and radio ads[xxiv] in order to protect its funding. Its employees – whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars -- have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country



There are health organizations that are willing to provide equal or better health care to women without wasting the people's money on political donations and expensive advertising..



Stanton Health Care Clinic in Boise, Idaho moved in right next door to Planned Parenthood, posting big signs offering free pregnancy tests, ultrasounds and other services that Planned Parenthood charges for.

Quote from: "cc la femme"

QuoteNot being correct due to ignorance isn't lying.

Bad. That implies she is is wrong.



A quick search  does not make one  expert vs following something closely for years .



PP is an abortion / prog political tool from top to bottom .. which is why progs will die protecting it



As to parts, many  long video versions are out now, with new stuff every day now ... more than Q & his progs can slough off with their usual derision tactic ... they are circling the wagons now like never before  and will use ANYTHING to protect it

Quote from: "ghost"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "ghost"Well I'll throw in my 2 cents.



Against abortion? Pro life? It's simple. Don't have an abortion.



But don't tell me what to do with my own body. The majority of pro lifers are doing it for religious reasons. Don't push your religion on me. Christianity isn't the only religion in the world. People have different opinions on when life begins. That's why it should be a 'choice'. Remember, choice doesn't mean you are pro abortion. It simply means you accept that it should be an individual's choice.



I do agree that there needs to be more psychological support for people who need it. Sadly, the majority of people can't afford it. Some people are able to get an abortion and be fine afterwards. Others have deep emotional trauma.



Because no two people are alike. It's really that simple.

Hello ghost, it's nice to see you again..



You said what I mentioned that the only way one can be in favour of abortion is if you believe the unborn child is not yet a person..



For those of that do believe the child is a person, it's murder, for those that don't it's about rights.

Hey Fash,

Hope you're well.



Yes, I understand the difference between rights and murder.



But as humans, we justify murder all the time. People are murdered and we think it's acceptable.



War. Self-defense. Death penalty. The Crusades. Genocide. Just to name a few.



What about the pro lifers who kill abortion doctors? They justify that it's okay to kill the doctor because it's saving lives.



I don't buy into the 'murder' argument.

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Romero"Any "excess revenue" is used to provide services. It's not profit.

No, it is not..



Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials [xxiii] and radio ads[xxiv] in order to protect its funding. Its employees – whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars -- have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country



There are health organizations that are willing to provide equal or better health care to women without wasting the people's money on political donations and expensive advertising..



Stanton Health Care Clinic in Boise, Idaho moved in right next door to Planned Parenthood, posting big signs offering free pregnancy tests, ultrasounds and other services that Planned Parenthood charges for.

That still qualifies as being non profit.

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "seoulbro"

Quote from: "Wulf"

Quote from: "Romero"

QuoteThe Senate will vote as early as Monday on a bill to strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding, a largely symbolic vote causing pain for centrists in both parties and drawing fire from conservatives who say it won't satisfy their quest to put the organization out of business.



The bill isn't expected to garner the 60 votes needed to advance, as nearly all Democrats object to it. Its defeat, however, won't end the effort to cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood.



//http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764

This is what the 'baby parts' liars are up to. Planned Parenthood provides health care, STD and cancer screenings, breast exams and much more to millions of women.



Defunding Planned Parenthood will endanger millions of women. Who's going to provide those services? Dove?

Translation: The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!! :crazy: leftwing blather.  



PP is not part of the US government and is in no way deserving of the tax dollars it sucks up each year. For the most part it is a so-called not for profit organization and lobbying group aligned with the far left agenda. The US government has no business funding it with taxpayer money and just for the record.....I feel that way about ANY non-governmental agency.



Like so many other drains on the government trough, it's nothing but a social activist organization that operates off of the taxpayer's back. I say fuck that shit, cut them loose and see if they can float without sticking their hands in the combined wallets of the US taxpayer.

I dislike that predictable scaremongering that I've read from PP supporters. It's dishonest and insulting to all Americans. Life will go on for everyone as per usual if that organization stopped receiving a single tax dollar. Women's health will not be in crisis. PP's ability to meet it's bills will be, but not the health of American women.

You sure it won't become more difficult for woman (mostly teens) to access reproductive health care services if PPs shut down?

QuoteUnder Ocare PP is obsolete. Reproductive health and abortions are covered under the gov insurance plans. So why do we need to pay taxpayer money for a redundant service like PP. It belongs in the shitter with the rest of the tax sucking programs that left-wing policies have kept alive for the past 50 years.

Quote from: "SPECTRE"Hey spookster!!! How you doing!!!



 :JC_howdy:

Quote from: "Fashionista"
We are doing ok despite the current economic slow down in Alberta..



I understand justifiable homicide and it was mentioned in this thread..



My husband would kill anyone that would want to harm his family..



I think we can all agree that if someone crushed the spinal chord of a baby that was born one second ago, it would be murder, not justifiable homicide



In my opinion it should be no different than if it happened seven months earlier..



But, I don't understand your point about pro life people that kill abortion doctors?



If the abortion performing doctor threatened the lives of someone, they would be justified in protecting themselves.

Quote from: "Herman"

QuoteUnder Ocare PP is obsolete. Reproductive health and abortions are covered under the gov insurance plans. So why do we need to pay taxpayer money for a redundant service like PP. It belongs in the shitter with the rest of the tax sucking programs that left-wing policies have kept alive for the past 50 years.

I don't want to comment at all on the pro life and pro choice divide. Guys should stay quiet. But, I sure as hell will when a half billion green yearly is being handed out.

Quote from: "ghost"

Quote from: "Herman"

QuoteUnder Ocare PP is obsolete. Reproductive health and abortions are covered under the gov insurance plans. So why do we need to pay taxpayer money for a redundant service like PP. It belongs in the shitter with the rest of the tax sucking programs that left-wing policies have kept alive for the past 50 years.

I don't want to comment at all on the pro life and pro choice divide. Guys should stay quiet. But, I sure as hell will when a half billion green yearly is being handed out.

I don't think males should be quiet. I think they should have an opinion just like everyone else. It's a topic that affects our society as a whole. But should men have the only say? Hells, no.



If I were to get pregnant and consider an abortion, I would greatly appreciate having the father's say in the matter. I'd also want his support.



I do however, think the final say comes down to the woman. Her body, her rights.

Quote from: "Wulf"

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "seoulbro"

Quote from: "Wulf"

Quote from: "Romero"

QuoteThe Senate will vote as early as Monday on a bill to strip Planned Parenthood of federal funding, a largely symbolic vote causing pain for centrists in both parties and drawing fire from conservatives who say it won't satisfy their quest to put the organization out of business.



The bill isn't expected to garner the 60 votes needed to advance, as nearly all Democrats object to it. Its defeat, however, won't end the effort to cut off federal money for Planned Parenthood.



//http://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-to-vote-as-soon-as-monday-on-defunding-planned-parenthood-1438294764

This is what the 'baby parts' liars are up to. Planned Parenthood provides health care, STD and cancer screenings, breast exams and much more to millions of women.



Defunding Planned Parenthood will endanger millions of women. Who's going to provide those services? Dove?

Translation: The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!! :crazy: leftwing blather.  



PP is not part of the US government and is in no way deserving of the tax dollars it sucks up each year. For the most part it is a so-called not for profit organization and lobbying group aligned with the far left agenda. The US government has no business funding it with taxpayer money and just for the record.....I feel that way about ANY non-governmental agency.



Like so many other drains on the government trough, it's nothing but a social activist organization that operates off of the taxpayer's back. I say fuck that shit, cut them loose and see if they can float without sticking their hands in the combined wallets of the US taxpayer.

I dislike that predictable scaremongering that I've read from PP supporters. It's dishonest and insulting to all Americans. Life will go on for everyone as per usual if that organization stopped receiving a single tax dollar. Women's health will not be in crisis. PP's ability to meet it's bills will be, but not the health of American women.

You sure it won't become more difficult for woman (mostly teens) to access reproductive health care services if PPs shut down?

Under Ocare PP is obsolete. Reproductive health and abortions are covered under the gov insurance plans. So why do we need to pay taxpayer money for a redundant service like PP. It belongs in the shitter with the rest of the tax sucking programs that left-wing policies have kept alive for the past 50 years.

Quote from: "Herman"

QuoteUnder Ocare PP is obsolete. Reproductive health and abortions are covered under the gov insurance plans. So why do we need to pay taxpayer money for a redundant service like PP. It belongs in the shitter with the rest of the tax sucking programs that left-wing policies have kept alive for the past 50 years.

I don't want to comment at all on the pro life and pro choice divide. Guys should stay quiet. But, I sure as hell will when a half billion green yearly is being handed out.

Quote from: "ghost"

Quote from: "Fashionista"
We are doing ok despite the current economic slow down in Alberta..



I understand justifiable homicide and it was mentioned in this thread..



My husband would kill anyone that would want to harm his family..



I think we can all agree that if someone crushed the spinal chord of a baby that was born one second ago, it would be murder, not justifiable homicide



In my opinion it should be no different than if it happened seven months earlier..



But, I don't understand your point about pro life people that kill abortion doctors?



If the abortion performing doctor threatened the lives of someone, they would be justified in protecting themselves.

I'm talking about abortion clinics that have been bombed and doctors who have been shot. Why? Because they performed 'legal' abortions.



I honestly don't believe that a fetus is a living being. That is my opinion, just like you disagree. I don't push my beliefs on others. I think it's each person's choice whether or not to abort. I would never think less of someone who keeps a baby because they consider it murder.



I think it's far too complicated to be black and white/right and wrong. That's where the choice comes in.

Quote from: "Fashionista"Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials [xxiii] and radio ads[xxiv] in order to protect its funding. Its employees – whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars -- have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country



There are health organizations that are willing to provide equal or better health care to women without wasting the people's money on political donations and expensive advertising..



Stanton Health Care Clinic in Boise, Idaho moved in right next door to Planned Parenthood, posting big signs offering free pregnancy tests, ultrasounds and other services that Planned Parenthood charges for.

Quote from: "Herman"When guys can get pregnant too then and only then should their voices be heard.

Quote from: "Wulf"Under Ocare PP is obsolete. Reproductive health and abortions are covered under the gov insurance plans. So why do we need to pay taxpayer money for a redundant service like PP. It belongs in the shitter with the rest of the tax sucking programs that left-wing policies have kept alive for the past 50 years.

Quote from: "RW"But now with Obamacare, can't they depend on their doctors instead?

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Fashionista"Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials [xxiii] and radio ads[xxiv] in order to protect its funding. Its employees – whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars -- have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country



There are health organizations that are willing to provide equal or better health care to women without wasting the people's money on political donations and expensive advertising..



Stanton Health Care Clinic in Boise, Idaho moved in right next door to Planned Parenthood, posting big signs offering free pregnancy tests, ultrasounds and other services that Planned Parenthood charges for.

There's long been a big push by many conservative politicians in the US to do away with Planned Parenthood. PP wouldn't be spending that money if it didn't have to protect itself.



Those politicians are the ones who have made this political. PP isn't going to go away without some fight. Millions of women depend on it.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Wulf"Under Ocare PP is obsolete. Reproductive health and abortions are covered under the gov insurance plans. So why do we need to pay taxpayer money for a redundant service like PP. It belongs in the shitter with the rest of the tax sucking programs that left-wing policies have kept alive for the past 50 years.

Quote from: "RW"But now with Obamacare, can't they depend on their doctors instead?

Millions of women don't have Obamacare, and for many Planned Parenthood is the better option. Millions aren't depending on PP for no reason.



There are many Planned Parenthood affiliates in Canada. Why is that? For no reason?

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "ghost"

Quote from: "Fashionista"
We are doing ok despite the current economic slow down in Alberta..



I understand justifiable homicide and it was mentioned in this thread..



My husband would kill anyone that would want to harm his family..



I think we can all agree that if someone crushed the spinal chord of a baby that was born one second ago, it would be murder, not justifiable homicide



In my opinion it should be no different than if it happened seven months earlier..



But, I don't understand your point about pro life people that kill abortion doctors?



If the abortion performing doctor threatened the lives of someone, they would be justified in protecting themselves.

I'm talking about abortion clinics that have been bombed and doctors who have been shot. Why? Because they performed 'legal' abortions.



I honestly don't believe that a fetus is a living being. That is my opinion, just like you disagree. I don't push my beliefs on others. I think it's each person's choice whether or not to abort. I would never think less of someone who keeps a baby because they consider it murder.



I think it's far too complicated to be black and white/right and wrong. That's where the choice comes in.

ghost, I do not condone anyone who takes a life other than when there's is in danger..



This applies to the few people who have shot abortion performing doctors or the doctors themselves when they murder an unborn baby..



But, I need to clarify something; I am not trying to legislate my view of when life begins..



I am not a political lady at all..



I seek to be used by God to change hearts not by man to change laws.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Dove"Romero...just....wow.  You just keep illustrating how little you know about woman's health care.  There are millions of women who somehow get real and informed health care without ever seeing a planned parenthood. Go figure? Lol

And there are millions of women who depend on Planned Parenthood. If Planned Parenthood is defunded, it's not like women's health care centres are going to magically pop up in its place.



You think millions of women go to Planned Parenthood just for fun?

Quote from: "RW"But now with Obamacare, can't they depend on their doctors instead?

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Dove"Romero...just....wow.  You just keep illustrating how little you know about woman's health care.  There are millions of women who somehow get real and informed health care without ever seeing a planned parenthood. Go figure? Lol

And there are millions of women who depend on Planned Parenthood. If Planned Parenthood is defunded, it's not like women's health care centres are going to magically pop up in its place.



You think millions of women go to Planned Parenthood just for fun?

 Romero, PP does not give free services. You still need insurance or the money up front. We have a lot of womens health care centers that have nothing to do with PP. In fact, one of them gave every woman in our mission over 40 a mammogram. Where was planned parenthood on that? They don't help as much as you seem to think they do.

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Wulf"Under Ocare PP is obsolete. Reproductive health and abortions are covered under the gov insurance plans. So why do we need to pay taxpayer money for a redundant service like PP. It belongs in the shitter with the rest of the tax sucking programs that left-wing policies have kept alive for the past 50 years.

Quote from: "RW"But now with Obamacare, can't they depend on their doctors instead?

Millions of women don't have Obamacare, and for many Planned Parenthood is the better option. Millions aren't depending on PP for no reason.

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "RW"But now with Obamacare, can't they depend on their doctors instead?

 They could before too.

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "cc la femme"

QuoteNot being correct due to ignorance isn't lying.

Bad. That implies she is is wrong.



A quick search  does not make one  expert vs following something closely for years .



PP is an abortion / prog political tool from top to bottom .. which is why progs will die protecting it



As to parts, many  long video versions are out now, with new stuff every day now ... more than Q & his progs can slough off with their usual derision tactic ... they are circling the wagons now like never before  and will use ANYTHING to protect it

She's been wrong about many things in the course of this thread from abortion laws to the extent of services offered by Planned Parenthood.  I don't overlook that because she's a woman with a position that differs from mine.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "RW"But now with Obamacare, can't they depend on their doctors instead?

 They could before too.

Did Medicaid cover it?

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "RW"But now with Obamacare, can't they depend on their doctors instead?

 They could before too.

Did Medicaid cover it?

 Yep.  Planned Parenthood only accepts straight medicaid here, and get this.....no one gets straight medicaid. You have to chose plans. So it's actually harder to afford planned parenthood than a regular doctor who will accept medicaid plans.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "RW"But now with Obamacare, can't they depend on their doctors instead?

 They could before too.

Did Medicaid cover it?

 Yep.  Planned Parenthood only accepts straight medicaid here, and get this.....no one gets straight medicaid. You have to chose plans. So it's actually harder to afford planned parenthood than a regular doctor who will accept medicaid plans.

I'm sorry Dove, I know so little about how Medicaid is awarded and what it will cover.

 :confused1:

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "RW"But now with Obamacare, can't they depend on their doctors instead?

 They could before too.

Did Medicaid cover it?

 Yep.  Planned Parenthood only accepts straight medicaid here, and get this.....no one gets straight medicaid. You have to chose plans. So it's actually harder to afford planned parenthood than a regular doctor who will accept medicaid plans.

I'm sorry Dove, I know so little about how Medicaid is awarded and what it will cover.

 :confused1:

 Join the club, here in the states no one does lol.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Dove"

Quote from: "RW"But now with Obamacare, can't they depend on their doctors instead?

 They could before too.

Did Medicaid cover it?

 Yep.  Planned Parenthood only accepts straight medicaid here, and get this.....no one gets straight medicaid. You have to chose plans. So it's actually harder to afford planned parenthood than a regular doctor who will accept medicaid plans.

I'm sorry Dove, I know so little about how Medicaid is awarded and what it will cover.

 :confused1:

 Join the club, here in the states no one does lol.

lol, I thought it was only me.

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Quote from: "Wulf"Under Ocare PP is obsolete. Reproductive health and abortions are covered under the gov insurance plans. So why do we need to pay taxpayer money for a redundant service like PP. It belongs in the shitter with the rest of the tax sucking programs that left-wing policies have kept alive for the past 50 years.

Quote from: "RW"But now with Obamacare, can't they depend on their doctors instead?

Millions of women don't have Obamacare, and for many Planned Parenthood is the better option. Millions aren't depending on PP for no reason.

Under O-shithead's signature piece of legislation EVERYONE in the US should be covered under some kind of insurance by 2018, those that aren't, will be fined. That's O-care.



 If you think it's such a worthwhile organization then I suggest you and your kind dig into your vaginas or wherever you keep your nickles and dimes and fund it yourselves.



PP needs to be stripped of taxpayer dollars now. It should be sink or swim time for that outdated redundant tax sucking turd. It's an obsolete holdover from the mid 20th century and it's usefulness has run its course.

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Quote from: "SPECTRE"Hey spookster!!! How you doing!!!



 :JC_howdy:

Alive and tired. You?

QuoteIf you've been keeping score at home, you'll have noticed that not one but two states, including a red state with a paleoconservative governor, have in the past several days exonerated Planned Parenthood of any wrongdoing in the so-called secret-video sting that has conservatives calling on Congress to defund the non-profit organization. The appropriate response to this news is, "Of course! Because Planned Parenthood is absolutely not selling fetus parts via some sort of grisly underground marketplace." For many, especially on the right, no amount of fact-checking will ever be enough. But for the sake of the public record, let's review those exonerating reports again here.



Last week, Massachusetts' Attorney General Maura Healey became the latest in what's sure to be a long list of state attorneys general to conclude the same thing. Specifically, Healy concluded,



"Over the past week, my office has conducted a thorough review and found that Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts' health care centers are fully compliant with state and federal laws regarding the disposition of fetal tissue. Although donation of fetal tissue is permissible under state and federal law, PPLM does not have a tissue donation program. There is no evidence that PPLM is involved in any way in the buying or selling of tissue. As such, our review is complete."



Sure, Massachusetts is a leftward-leaning state, but Indiana is very much not. Back on July 16, Gov. Mike Pence, R-Ind., launched an investigation of Planned Parenthood following the release of what was obviously a doctored and misleading video. The probe focused on facilities in Indianapolis, Bloomington and Merrillville, and this past week the Indiana Department of Health reported it was "unable to find any non-compliance with state regulations. Therefore, no deficiencies were cited."



But it's good to know that small government conservatives — conservatives who routinely frown upon wasteful government spending — have successfully prompted frivolous investigations in 12 states, including deeply red ones, all based on obviously fraudulent videos. All in all, South Carolina, Florida, Tennessee, Massachusetts, Kansas, Missouri, Arizona, Indiana, Ohio, Georgia, Texas and Louisiana are in the process of or have concluded completely unnecessary investigations.



//http://www.salon.com/2015/08/03/wing_nut_conspiracy_theorists_have_done_it_again_the_truth_about_the_planned_parenthood_hoax_revealed/

Quote from: "Romero"No, they're suggesting that investigating obvious hoaxes is a waste of time and money. No crimes have been committed. There are much better things to do than trying to take away women's health care and rights.

Quote from: "Dove"It's amazing how I've managed to get health care without ever setting foot in planned parenthood.  The only service I ever had there actually wound up making me need a real health care provider to clean up the mess pp made of my uterus. I still have rights, too. I can work, vote, get birth control and other services....all without planned parenthood. Go figure.

Quote from: "seoulbro"Women's health will not be jeopardized when an obsolete organization like PP loses it's funding as it should.

Quote from: "Romero"It's not much of an option for millions of women. Distance, hours open, weekends... more services provided right in their own neighourhood.



I don't know why you guys think these millions of women are going to Planned Parenthood for no reason.

Quote from: "RW"Just so you are aware, a male doctor delivered both my children.  I just had a visit with a male gynocologist and I found him to be lovely.



I find it easier to talk to a woman and that is my own personal preference.  Some women feel differently.



Ro, I understand your point and the hours of operation, etc, make sense but when it comes to women's reasons for using PPs over their GPs, you are talking out your ass.  If you weren't, you would have pasted a link by now.  I think that's what gets women's backs up around here - you speaking on behalf of our gender when you really don't have a clue.