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Nothing says intolerance more than religion.
And no...this is not a "God" thread.
Is it an excuse for the criminally insane?
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Nothing says intolerance more than religion.
And no...this is not a "God" thread.
I'm shaking my head.
Today, I heard a pastor/minister say, "God works in the heart of a person who meditates upon his word."
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I once heard a preacher say that if I sent a one time love offering, my family and would receive heavenly blessings. If that were true, everyone would be Lottomax winners.
Religion is a refuge for misfits and the mad.
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No doubt. Some more so than others.
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Not to question that, but I think maybe it was that guy from below that worked on the heart of the monster this thread is about
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Not to question that, but I think maybe it was that guy from below that worked on the heart of the monster this thread is about
Ah, the devil in disguise, eh?
Nice work.
acc_devil
Only this clearly goes against everything the word teaches. So does the "prosperity gospel". So when nonreligious people commit crimes what does that mean? That we blame atheism? Why don't you guys just place the blame on the human who made the choice?
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Not to question that, but I think maybe it was that guy from below that worked on the heart of the monster this thread is about
Exactly. Scripture says even the devil masquerades as an angel of light.
http://homicide.latimes.com/year/2015
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I think we atheists recognise that.
However, it does demonstrate that religion camouflages some very seriously psychotic people.
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I think we atheists recognise that.
However, it does demonstrate that religion camouflages some very seriously psychotic people.
The same can be said for atheism. A psychotic can twist anything. Blaming religion is like blaming guns. It's not the tools people use....it's people. As far as Christianity, you can't commit sin in the name of God and label the act a religious one. Let's pretend all beliefs are wiped out. Human beings will still find reasons to justify horrific acts, only we won't have any equalizers. Faith is more associated with well being than I think you care to admit.
Now,in fact, you present a very good principle for debate.
Let us pretend all beliefs are wiped out. What would humans believe in then? Would the fact that there is no belief in god, regardless of his or her existence, create a better or worse society.
Remember, we're discussing religion in this thread...not god. We cannot ignore the fact that religion has been divisive, provocative and has indeed precipitated wars...and continues to do so. But, it is true that many wars had no basis in religion.
Would atheism be the principle cornerstone of our society, or would man seek out a higher deity?
Man will seek out a higher deity. I agree there is a difference between belief of and in God (Yahweh) and religion. Born agains, say all the time that they are not religious. Morals are universal and a sort of unspoken known. People know right and wrong. Then justifications (human nature) comes in. I understand you don't believe in God, but this is consistent with the scripture that God has written his laws in the core (heart) of humanity. To show us our evil and draw us to Him. So it can be argued that without God we have no moral equalizer. If broke down the fall of man to you from Genisis, and the curses put upon us... you'd have to agree it's consistent. Whether you believe it's truth, those who do easily make sense of the world and it's happenings. And are at peace.
And yet humans lived for many thousands of years without god, his morals and commandments, and progressed rapidly. Mayans, Babylonians, Khmers...all pre-date Jesus. They had their gods, its true. But their gods demanded sacrifices to be appeased.
Remember, Rome became the most advanced nation on Earth without god.
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Remember, Rome became the most advanced nation on Earth without god.
Our time line in set BC (before Christ) and AD (year of our Lord). Worship of Yahweh goes back way longer than Christ. We know this. The old covanant and new. The earliest writings of the bible are estimated 3500 years old. Judaism was to and did blend right into Christianity, as Christ was the final sacrifice for the reconciliation of all humanity (those who will) to God. Your definition of advanced has proven to be questionable. I would be careful using Rome as an example of how good people do without God. The bible says the "other gods" were fallen angels and neplim. Which is also very consistent with ancient history. Throwing babies into fire pits and using young girls as temple prostitutes are not the acts of an advanced society....but as I said, your idea of advancement is questionable. The ancient jews had the Torah(old testament laws), and they were washing their hands under running water, and eating clean food.
The world would go looney. Religion suits those who need it and manages their behavior just as much as it messes with non-believers.
No religion would be just as bad as too much religion.
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I think we atheists recognise that.
However, it does demonstrate that religion camouflages some very seriously psychotic people.
I don't know much about
I have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
"Religion; What WOULD we do without it."
The same thing i do with it, nothing!
Mmm...but is that a GOOD nothing, or a BAD nothing?
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My brothers a Pastor, i have one foot in the door :wink:
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My brothers a Pastor, i have one foot in the :wink:
Your brother is a pastor Keeper?
I didn't know that.
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I think we atheists recognise that.
However, it does demonstrate that religion camouflages some very seriously psychotic people.
I don't know much about
I have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
Amen!
Hallelujah!!
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My brothers a Pastor, i have one foot in the :wink:
Your brother is a pastor Keeper?
I didn't know that.
Yup, Preaches at the Pentecostal Church in Edmonton. :43(2):
Wow. You are surrounded with goodness. There's hope for you ac_smile
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He seems to think so, I used to hate going to his church, he would ALWAYS point out that i was his brother and for the congregation to pray for me, :oeudC:
Aw, he really loves you
Unlike the rest of us who know better, he thinks you are redeemable ac_smile
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Unlike the rest of us who know better, he thinks you are redeemable ac_smile
Of course he is redeemable!
I was just teasing the guy
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Nothing says intolerance more than religion.
And no...this is not a "God" thread.
Well...Israel is a religious state.
It is not secular
The Old Testament is their 'Bible'.
And it does make numerous references that homosexuality is a sin.
Unlike the New Testemant, The Old Testament is not terribly forgiving.
...so there you have it.
Don't expect other nations to line up solidly behind a gay agenda, just because Obama wants them to as many of them won't.
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Nothing says intolerance more than religion.
And no...this is not a "God" thread.
Well...Israel is a religious state.
It is not secular
The Old Testament is their 'Bible'.
And it does make numerous references that homosexuality is a sin.
Unlike the New Testemant, The Old Testament is not terribly forgiving.
...so there you have it.
Don't expect other nations to line up solidly behind a gay agenda, just because Obama wants them to as many of them won't.
I've been to Israel. It is as secular as anything in Europe. Few Jews are religious and many are totally non-observant. They have homo parades too.
Good evening, Fornicators! :thumbup: :laugh3:
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Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Nothing says intolerance more than religion.
And no...this is not a "God" thread.
Well...Israel is a religious state.
It is not secular
The Old Testament is their 'Bible'.
And it does make numerous references that homosexuality is a sin.
Unlike the New Testemant, The Old Testament is not terribly forgiving.
...so there you have it.
Don't expect other nations to line up solidly behind a gay agenda, just because Obama wants them to as many of them won't.
I've been to Israel. It is as secular as anything in Europe. Few Jews are religious and many are totally non-observant.
That is good.
:001_rolleyes: