Title: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 09, 2015, 06:00:09 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 09, 2015, 06:00:09 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: RW on August 09, 2015, 06:25:24 PM
Post by: RW on August 09, 2015, 06:25:24 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2015, 07:05:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2015, 07:05:05 PM
Good afternoon, Blue People. Has anyone used Windows 10 yet?Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Not yet.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Annie on August 09, 2015, 07:06:03 PM
Post by: Annie on August 09, 2015, 07:06:03 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 07:18:40 PM
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 07:18:40 PM
We had already discussed it with our programmer who had tested beta versions so it was an immediate go. Also, I need it as we have to test our product on all versions
Saved all data externally just in case - was not needed as everything is intact
Install was sweet - smooth as silk. All programs including all the latest version of several different AutoCADs ran like nothing had happened. No re-installs needed.
Have been using it since, I think it came out July 28 or 29?
A few frozen mouse but maybe I need to reinstall Logitech software. It's that fancy mouse with all the toys and always was touchy at times
All in all it couldn't be better and the softwares on my machine are a real test for any system
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 07:31:07 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 07:31:07 PM
Interesting that a Windows user is surprised at a smooth transition.
I'll stick with Apple.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 07:33:35 PM
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 07:33:35 PM
So fucking there!!
So go suck your sour granny apple
Edit - No offence meant Annie
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 07:45:21 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 07:45:21 PM
Have you ever heard of Windows Millenium? How about Vista, that single handedly caused many Windows users to switch to Apple than any other "issue", myself being one of them.
Windows 7 was a diabolical mess, that, if memory serves, had massive updates shortly after release to fix all the bugs.
So, go lick your Windows.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Annie on August 09, 2015, 07:46:18 PM
Post by: Annie on August 09, 2015, 07:46:18 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 07:51:33 PM
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 07:51:33 PM
XP was as good as it gets - loved it and it ran the biggest programs that your granny apple wouldn't even know about
The Vista blabber was pure bullshit - we ran our stuff on it like a dream. Never missed a beat
7 was even better and as clean as it gets
8 even more fun to run
10 is silk
As obviously you don't run the heavy stuff, you'll be OK sucking your granny apple
Your "memory" I'll leave alone
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 07:56:36 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 07:56:36 PM
Let me help...
I love the way the writer glosses over the Vista issues as if they were trivial. Like, installing Vista then finding out that your Adobe software doesn't run.
Or that the networking capability was rife with bugs and errors.
Nah...it had a pretty interface, so the rest of the catastrophes don't mean anything...except in an organisation with 10, 50, or hundreds of PC's. Vista was the reason MANY large installations stayed with XP until Windows fucked them over and refused ongoing support.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 07:58:19 PM
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 07:58:19 PM
Dunno mate - we run the real heavy stuff every day .. and hard ... and EVERY version has done us extremely well
Further, as we have to test on the latest, we have always upgraded "day one .. when it was virgin" - still have never had any problem
Even the much besmirched Vista did us well. The only complaint might be that it needed a lot of ram & ran fast only with a lot of ram.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 08:05:12 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 08:05:12 PM
What, your computers shift shipping containers?
The tide of change flows but in a single direction. Towards Apple. The only reason people stay with Windows is that the computers are cheap...and then they wonder why they break down.
Kneel before your false idol. Only Apple is to the true path to nerd Nirvana.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 08:13:36 PM
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 08:13:36 PM
The difference between M and apple uses is that M users do work in the real world and really don't care about M .. it's just a platform that works extremely well for them ... just software .. abandoned in a heartbeat if something better actually came along
On the other hand, Apple users actually love a fucking cold hard company / concept because cultists / believers have to love their cult / religion, eh?
Apple cultist would rather die than change
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 08:47:12 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 08:47:12 PM
While they relied on milking customers, Apple innovated, and excelled in making the best hardware and software for their users.
I've used both, and Windows is still light years behind OSX. Both in functionality, response times and reliability.
But, keeping on using that old steam powered system...
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 10:14:24 PM
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 10:14:24 PM
That kind of sums it up. Real working engineers don't use apple OS, period.
OK, toy computer phones and tabs, may be different. I wouldn't know because we must use use and develop for real computers for real heavy engineering work. Where the rubber meets the road, for REAL work on real computers, apple is so moot that it has never even came up in conversation over the last 10 years.
You cultists can blabber your religion all you wish, but all the blabber cannot change that.
As to loyalty which you implied, IF another OS came along that outdoes W, we and all engineers will be onto it like a dog in heat. For business people who do real work there is no loyalty, no cult, no bullshit. It's just what best does the job.
If I ever get asked that question "does our software ran on Apple OS", I will message you. Till then don't wait for my message as it may be a while. Meantime, carry on carrying on.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 10:24:34 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 09, 2015, 10:24:34 PM
90% of design companies use Apple!!!
Most digital video editing is done on Apple.
Almost ALL photographic studios use Apple.
Virtually every movie you see is edited on Apple.
ALL CGI effects are done on Apple.
Get in touch with the real world.
What happened to Microsoft Zune? Windows Surface (has anyone bought one of those pieces of garbage). Microsoft Phone? Never seen one. They bought Nokia and it tanked.
And all you have is engineering software? Even THAT runs on Apple.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 10:37:40 PM
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 10:37:40 PM
If or when we do get several who ask, we would of course begin to take it seriously. Till then it is moot and we will stay with what is run by the pros from those areas of business
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2015, 11:04:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2015, 11:04:32 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 11:11:12 PM
Post by: cc on August 09, 2015, 11:11:12 PM
So far, smooth as silk
We have thrown some extremely large drawings at it to push it. It handled them very clean and very fast
That said, 7, 8 or 10 are all good choices
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Wulf on August 09, 2015, 11:57:39 PM
Post by: Wulf on August 09, 2015, 11:57:39 PM
As I said, we produce very expensive and very heavy duty complex software for Civil Engineering firms, US Govt. and large Municipalities. We have never had an engineer even ask "does our software ran on Apple OS"Quote from: "cc la femme"
If or when we do get several who ask, we would of course begin to take it seriously. Till then it is moot and we will stay with what is run by the pros from those areas of business
Exactly, these Apple assholes can come talk to me when it can run Autocad or Autodesk MEP OR...... God forbid....Revit and can produce an actual working construction dwg. Until then Apple is nothing more than a geeks electronic coloring book.
There is a reason why Apple operating systems don't get viruses, it's not powerful enough to host one.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 12:19:57 AM
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 12:19:57 AM
BTW - 10 really runs large drawings well, and is especially strong on modeling algorithm calculations within drawings
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 12:45:33 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 12:45:33 AM
As I said, we produce very expensive and very heavy duty complex software for Civil Engineering firms, US Govt. and large Municipalities. We have never had an engineer even ask "does our software ran on Apple OS"Quote from: "cc la femme"
If or when we do get several who ask, we would of course begin to take it seriously. Till then it is moot and we will stay with what is run by the pros from those areas of business
Exactly, these Apple assholes can come talk to me when it can run Autocad or Autodesk MEP OR...... God forbid....Revit and can produce an actual working construction dwg. Until then Apple is nothing more than a geeks electronic coloring book.
There is a reason why Apple operating systems don't get viruses, it's not powerful enough to host one.:laugh3:
Hey, grunt...
Says Autocad for Mac...
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 12:51:55 AM
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 12:51:55 AM
If it does run AutoCAD, and I think it does, in 10 years of interaction with our clients, not one of them mentioned it = virtually no one uses it
Note: We try to keep records of all our client's OS and AutoCAD versions and years so we can advise and assist them in future
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 12:55:15 AM
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 12:55:15 AM
Vegemite could be ending up in more than sandwiches, following reports of the yeast extract being used to make homemade alcohol in dry communities across Queensland and the Northern Territory.
The problem has been described as prolific in some areas in the Northern Territory, with reported instances of people buying up to twenty jars of Australia's favourite spread at a time, for the brewing of homemade alcohol.
Indigenous Affairs Minister Nigel Scullion said the goal was for local communities to take a greater responsibility in restricting excessive sales of high-yeast products, rather than impose a legislative ban on the food products.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 02:00:33 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 02:00:33 AM
You should have quit while you were behindQuote from: "cc la femme"
If it does run AutoCAD, and I think it does, in 10 years of interaction with our clients, not one of them mentioned it = virtually no one uses it
Note: We try to keep records of all our client's OS and AutoCAD versions and years so we can advise and assist them in future
Read what Sgt Fury wrote...
these Apple assholes can come talk to me when it can run Autocad or Autodesk MEP ORQuote
Is that his phone ringing?
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 02:04:07 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 02:04:07 AM
Say - what's this Vegemite alcohol thingy? You guys moon shining now?Quote from: "cc la femme"Vegemite being used to make homemade alcohol in dry communities: reports(//http)
Vegemite could be ending up in more than sandwiches, following reports of the yeast extract being used to make homemade alcohol in dry communities across Queensland and the Northern Territory.
The problem has been described as prolific in some areas in the Northern Territory, with reported instances of people buying up to twenty jars of Australia's favourite spread at a time, for the brewing of homemade alcohol.
Indigenous Affairs Minister Nigel Scullion said the goal was for local communities to take a greater responsibility in restricting excessive sales of high-yeast products, rather than impose a legislative ban on the food products.
See. Vegemite can do anything!!!
There is even Vegemite chocolate!!
That story is a massive beat up. Apparently someone worked out that the brewers yeast in Vegemite can be used to ferment alcohol.
It's utter bullshit. Any yeast will do...including yeast used to make bread. They can ferment alcohol quite easily without it using potatoes, fruit...even cactii.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 02:07:02 AM
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 02:07:02 AM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 02:09:24 AM
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 02:09:24 AM
that is a specific AutoCAD he runs ... that will not run on apple . he's quite sane and in fact appears to be running very advanced stuffthese Apple assholes can come talk to me when it can run Autocad or Autodesk MEP ORQuote
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 02:10:52 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 02:10:52 AM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 02:11:11 AM
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 02:11:11 AM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Wulf on August 10, 2015, 07:51:42 AM
Post by: Wulf on August 10, 2015, 07:51:42 AM
As I said, we produce very expensive and very heavy duty complex software for Civil Engineering firms, US Govt. and large Municipalities. We have never had an engineer even ask "does our software ran on Apple OS"Quote from: "cc la femme"
If or when we do get several who ask, we would of course begin to take it seriously. Till then it is moot and we will stay with what is run by the pros from those areas of business
Exactly, these Apple assholes can come talk to me when it can run Autocad or Autodesk MEP OR...... God forbid....Revit and can produce an actual working construction dwg. Until then Apple is nothing more than a geeks electronic coloring book.
There is a reason why Apple operating systems don't get viruses, it's not powerful enough to host one.:laugh3:
Hey, grunt...http://www.autodesk.com.au/campaigns/autodesk-autocad-sem-trial?src=OMSE&mktvar002=590511__ENGINE=GoogleANZ__CAMPAIGN=ANZ_G_AutoCAD_B__ADGROUP=AutoCAD_B_Mac_Exact__KEYWORD=autocad++for++mac__MATCHTYPE=Exact__CREATIVE=80711627409&gclid=CI7diOnYnccCFRADvAodFHgGVA
Says Autocad for Mac...ac_razz
Lol, AutoCad for Apple is like old AutoCad lite for Windows. It sucks. You can't access any of the advanced express tools or the 3D sold modeling and if you are dumb enough to pay thousands for the Cad licencing for Apple, sharing drawings with a Windows based system (which 99.9% of the engineering community uses) doesn't work well. All the information simply doesn't translate well and no one is going to use a product that doesn't interface properly with their clients software. Furthermore AutoCad is slowly being supplanted by Revit which is AutoCad on steroids and Apple will NEVER be able to run that, at least not in the foreseeable future.
So keep your fluffy graphic programs, they are fine for photographers and graphic artists. We engineering types will just have to muddle through with real engineering programs on our Windows based OS.
Truth be told, I could actually see the engineering community go over to Linux long before they consider Apple a truly viable option.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Frood on August 10, 2015, 09:52:07 AM
Post by: Frood on August 10, 2015, 09:52:07 AM
Bill Gates has always been a piece of shit. I don't trust anything he touches or has his name associated with.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 12:23:57 PM
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 12:23:57 PM
Agreed. And similar for all software producers.Bill Gates has always been a piece of shit. I don't trust anything he touches or has his name associated with.Quote
True on the install - it is there but best to check after install - By typing "privacy settings" in search you see settings to turn off or on
I don't like MS or Gates either, nor do I trust any software including his competitors (or website for that matter) We have what we have. The computing world is a hard world out there .. everywhere, every aspect of it wants data
Even hardware (printers, thumb drives etc. is now inter-connected, web-enabled and wants data
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: J0E on August 10, 2015, 02:52:28 PM
Post by: J0E on August 10, 2015, 02:52:28 PM
...this program could do just about anything REVIT could do, as well as import AutoCAD drawings, plus work on Windows, Mac and Linux.
There's better programs out there than AutoCAD.
AutoCAD and all the other AutoDesk programs seem like dinosaurs compared with the newer programs.
As I said, we produce very expensive and very heavy duty complex software for Civil Engineering firms, US Govt. and large Municipalities. We have never had an engineer even ask "does our software ran on Apple OS"Quote from: "cc la femme"
If or when we do get several who ask, we would of course begin to take it seriously. Till then it is moot and we will stay with what is run by the pros from those areas of business
Exactly, these Apple assholes can come talk to me when it can run Autocad or Autodesk MEP OR...... God forbid....Revit and can produce an actual working construction dwg. Until then Apple is nothing more than a geeks electronic coloring book.
There is a reason why Apple operating systems don't get viruses, it's not powerful enough to host one.:laugh3:
Hey, grunt...http://www.autodesk.com.au/campaigns/autodesk-autocad-sem-trial?src=OMSE&mktvar002=590511__ENGINE=GoogleANZ__CAMPAIGN=ANZ_G_AutoCAD_B__ADGROUP=AutoCAD_B_Mac_Exact__KEYWORD=autocad++for++mac__MATCHTYPE=Exact__CREATIVE=80711627409&gclid=CI7diOnYnccCFRADvAodFHgGVA
Says Autocad for Mac...ac_razz
Lol, AutoCad for Apple is like old AutoCad lite for Windows. It sucks. You can't access any of the advanced express tools or the 3D sold modeling and if you are dumb enough to pay thousands for the Cad licencing for Apple, sharing drawings with a Windows based system (which 99.9% of the engineering community uses) doesn't work well. All the information simply doesn't translate well and no one is going to use a product that doesn't interface properly with their clients software. Furthermore AutoCad is slowly being supplanted by Revit which is AutoCad on steroids and Apple will NEVER be able to run that, at least not in the foreseeable future.
So keep your fluffy graphic programs, they are fine for photographers and graphic artists. We engineering types will just have to muddle through with real engineering programs on our Windows based OS.
Truth be told, I could actually see the engineering community go over to Linux long before they consider Apple a truly viable option.:laugh3:
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: J0E on August 10, 2015, 02:56:55 PM
Post by: J0E on August 10, 2015, 02:56:55 PM
Gotta link? Company website?
do you attend any tradeshows?
If so, which ones?
Yup. I guess I'm special to Microsoft - it was waiting for me on the first morning it came outQuote from: "cc la femme"
We had already discussed it with our programmer who had tested beta versions so it was an immediate go. Also, I need it as we have to test our product on all versions
Saved all data externally just in case - was not needed as everything is intact
Install was sweet - smooth as silk. All programs including all the latest version of several different AutoCADs ran like nothing had happened. No re-installs needed.
Have been using it since, I think it came out July 28 or 29?
A few frozen mouse but maybe I need to reinstall Logitech software. It's that fancy mouse with all the toys and always was touchy at times
All in all it couldn't be better and the softwares on my machine are a real test for any system
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 03:10:11 PM
What's your product line/name/ cc? - Can't do that here JoeQuote from: "Frank"
Gotta link? Company website? - Can't do that here Joe
do you attend any tradeshows? - yes
If so, which ones? - Civil Engineering shows, US Govt. training shows etc.
Sorry Joe can't do that for several reasons.
For just one glaring example of the type of people one can encounter on the web - we actually have a totally unethical sleazeball prog here that even tries to use our hiring an islamic immigrant (a good thing I would have thought) against me to serve his vile purposes
See Sweden thread for examples
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 07:40:14 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 07:40:14 PM
Lol, AutoCad for Apple is like old AutoCad lite for Windows. It sucks. You can't access any of the advanced express tools or the 3D sold modeling and if you are dumb enough to pay thousands for the Cad licencing for Apple, sharing drawings with a Windows based system (which 99.9% of the engineering community uses) doesn't work well. All the information simply doesn't translate well and no one is going to use a product that doesn't interface properly with their clients software. Furthermore AutoCad is slowly being supplanted by Revit which is AutoCad on steroids and Apple will NEVER be able to run that, at least not in the foreseeable future.
So keep your fluffy graphic programs, they are fine for photographers and graphic artists. We engineering types will just have to muddle through with real engineering programs on our Windows based OS.
Truth be told, I could actually see the engineering community go over to Linux long before they consider Apple a truly viable option.:laugh3:
So, what you're really saying is that the program you use is built for Windows, which has nothing to do with its relative capability compared to Apple.
Its a niche, vocation specific application that Apple probably could give zero fucks about, as it goes about selling computers to every other user on the planet.
Not to mention iPhones, iPads, iPods and their Pro series which has no comparison in the Windows world; its several times more powerful than any Windows PC.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: RW on August 10, 2015, 07:42:01 PM
Post by: RW on August 10, 2015, 07:42:01 PM
As I said, we produce very expensive and very heavy duty complex software for Civil Engineering firms, US Govt. and large Municipalities. We have never had an engineer even ask "does our software ran on Apple OS"Quote from: "cc la femme"
If or when we do get several who ask, we would of course begin to take it seriously. Till then it is moot and we will stay with what is run by the pros from those areas of business
Exactly, these Apple assholes can come talk to me when it can run Autocad or Autodesk MEP OR...... God forbid....Revit and can produce an actual working construction dwg. Until then Apple is nothing more than a geeks electronic coloring book.
There is a reason why Apple operating systems don't get viruses, it's not powerful enough to host one.:laugh3:
It's because they run on Unix and it has a properly developed file system, unlike Windows.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 07:49:47 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 07:49:47 PM
Apple's adaptation of Unix as its underlying file management system was a masterstroke.
Ask Apple users how many times they've experienced a crash, or had to hard reboot their PC's.
Not only that, Apple drivers are built into the OS, unlike Windows drivers which are add ons and cause conflicts with other drivers. Ask an Apple user if they've ever experienced a driver conflict.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Wulf on August 10, 2015, 08:24:04 PM
Post by: Wulf on August 10, 2015, 08:24:04 PM
Lol, AutoCad for Apple is like old AutoCad lite for Windows. It sucks. You can't access any of the advanced express tools or the 3D sold modeling and if you are dumb enough to pay thousands for the Cad licencing for Apple, sharing drawings with a Windows based system (which 99.9% of the engineering community uses) doesn't work well. All the information simply doesn't translate well and no one is going to use a product that doesn't interface properly with their clients software. Furthermore AutoCad is slowly being supplanted by Revit which is AutoCad on steroids and Apple will NEVER be able to run that, at least not in the foreseeable future.
So keep your fluffy graphic programs, they are fine for photographers and graphic artists. We engineering types will just have to muddle through with real engineering programs on our Windows based OS.
Truth be told, I could actually see the engineering community go over to Linux long before they consider Apple a truly viable option.:laugh3:
So, what you're really saying is that the program you use is built for Windows, which has nothing to do with its relative capability compared to Apple.
Its a niche, vocation specific application that Apple probably could give zero fucks about, as it goes about selling computers to every other user on the planet.
Not to mention iPhones, iPads, iPods and their Pro series which has no comparison in the Windows world; its several times more powerful than any Windows PC.
The truth is you have a toy that serves no earthy purpose unless you are interested in glorified Photoshop programs and video games.
As I said, when Apple can run the premier engineering programs that are the current industry standard, then come talk to me. Until then don't let any of us stop you from playing pretend with your Apples. Just do us all a favor and stop crowing about a bunch of nothing.
BTW, I am impressed with the fact that you are so PC literate. Most people your age struggle with anything more electronically sophisticated than an adding machine.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 08:31:14 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 08:31:14 PM
As I said, when Apple can run the premier engineering programs that are the current industry standard, then come talk to me.
You mean like Adobe Creative Suite...the "industry standard" for design and publishing world wide?
You are again talking about an application, NOT an operating system.
Oh, and Apple never competed with Windows. It targets a professional and enlightened market, not a PC for the great unwashed.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Wulf on August 10, 2015, 08:50:55 PM
Post by: Wulf on August 10, 2015, 08:50:55 PM
As I said, when Apple can run the premier engineering programs that are the current industry standard, then come talk to me.
You mean like Adobe Creative Suite...the "industry standard" for design and publishing world wide?
You are again talking about an application, NOT an operating system.
Oh, and Apple never competed with Windows. It targets a professional and enlightened market, not a PC for the great unwashed.
The application I'm discussing goes hand in hand with operating system. And I call Bullshit on that statement regarding the "great unwashed". Don't try to pass Apple off as some elite product. You look like a fool doing so.
You and I both know that before Apple came out with the I-Pod they were all but dead. The I-Pod and the subsequent TOYS that followed it were specifically designed for a market catering to the "great unwashed" and as a result their PC line followed suit when it was discovered that they were good for running graphics programs. You can thank art schools and their like for giving the Apple PC a new lease on life. Enlightened or decerning PC users have had not one fucking thing to do with it. That was something you pulled completely out of your old ass.
Good try at creating some good Apple propaganda though. Although I'm not sure they would agree with alienating a rather large segment of the market that makes good business sense to get in on.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 08:57:05 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 10, 2015, 08:57:05 PM
Windows based PC's are dinosaurs, as are their users...yes, I AM looking at you.
For the new age, modern, hip, cool and progressive, Apple is the way.
How many Microsoft stores have you seen?
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 11:50:30 PM
Post by: cc on August 10, 2015, 11:50:30 PM
Something you may not know. A drawing on one of those toys is useless. Only a big screen allows them to get their real work done, hence for that reason and for raw heavy duty calculation power a high powered desktop is all they use.
Being an offical "AutoCAD Developer", for the hell of it today we checked with the head office of AutoDesk, the producer of AutoCAD, and they produce a "limited features" version of Plain Jane AutoCAD for mac. Know that even with full features, no one other than a student would use Plain Jane AutoCAD .
I decided to really check "real working companies" out just for the hell of it today.
Real workers, those who actually design road, sewers, buildings, bridges etc. ... real things that make a society run .. not teenyboppers talking to their friends and passing images of their titties .... use processor and OS intensive "Civil, Mechanical, Map, Architectural etc" (all of which I have installed separately on my own workhorse machine) ... programs 4 - 6 X the size of Plain Jane for mac that require real computer calculation power. Sometimes I run 3 or 4 of them at the same time to compare results.
I decided to check out more "real working companies just for the hell of it today. They were not "hip, cool" teenyboppers, they were real work firms. Was just at the docs, so asked their systems person what they run. It was 7 on all 35 machines. Called our bank, and guess what their 47 machines run for OS??
I called our company Accounting Firm. Guess what they run on their 17 machines?
I stopped there - started to feel I was beating a dead horse, eh?
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: J0E on August 11, 2015, 12:03:27 AM
Post by: J0E on August 11, 2015, 12:03:27 AM
esri does all the things that REVIT does, but only better and faster & on a much larger scale:
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 11, 2015, 12:08:46 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 11, 2015, 12:08:46 AM
Some people play with toys. Others, real working people like real Engineers use PCs & very large screens .. like 22" - 30+"Quote from: "cc la femme"
Something you may not know. A drawing on one of those toys is useless. Only a big screen allows them to get their real work done, hence for that reason and for raw heavy duty calculation power a high powered desktop is all they use.
Being an offical "AutoCAD Developer", for the hell of it today we checked with the head office of AutoDesk, the producer of AutoCAD, and they produce a "limited features" version of Plain Jane AutoCAD for mac. Know that even with full features, no one other than a student would use Plain Jane AutoCAD .
I decided to really check "real working companies" out just for the hell of it today.
Real workers, those who actually design road, sewers, buildings, bridges etc. ... real things that make a society run .. not teenyboppers talking to their friends and passing images of their titties .... use processor and OS intensive "Civil, Mechanical, Map, Architectural etc" (all of which I have installed separately on my own workhorse machine) ... programs 4 - 6 X the size of Plain Jane for mac that require real computer calculation power. Sometimes I run 3 or 4 of them at the same time to compare results.
I decided to check out more "real working companies just for the hell of it today. They were not "hip, cool" teenyboppers, they were real work firms. Was just at the docs, so asked their systems person what they run. It was 7 on all 35 machines. Called our bank, and guess what their 47 machines run for OS??
I called our company Accounting Firm. Guess what they run on their 17 machines?
I stopped there - started to feel I was beating a dead horse, eh?Toys are for boys (and girlies) to play with. Work machines are for men (and of course women) .. for real working people working for real companies that make the real world go round.
Wow. That was as silly a piece of crap as you've come out with in recent times.
What's the most popular car in Canada? Ford? Chevrolet? Hyundai?
Is that also the BEST car available in Canada?
Windows is used in commercial centres because the cost of moving networks to Apple is too expensive. Apple knows that, and does not even bother aiming for that market.
Windows is cheap. Cheap will sell more than expensive.
But it does not follow that because they sell more, it is in any way superior.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 11, 2015, 12:10:53 AM
Post by: cc on August 11, 2015, 12:10:53 AM
You are that, right? ... and been doing real engineering drawing work for how many decades was it?
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 11, 2015, 12:16:03 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 11, 2015, 12:16:03 AM
The SOFTWARE that they run is another issue altogether.
Here's your precious Windows 10.
And its typical. Not unusual. They did the same with Vista.
Here's how you superbrains need to fix your shit.
"Type "regedit" in the Start menu
In the window that opens navigate to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindows NTCurrentVersionProfileList
Backup your registry key as what you're about to do is risky (with ProfileList highlighted, click File and Export and choose a backup name)
Then scan through the ProfileList IDs and delete any with ProfileImagePath found in it as it shouldn't be there
Close regedit, reboot and next time KB3081424 should install properly".
How many AVERAGE users would know how to do that? And its RISKY.
POS.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Romero on August 11, 2015, 12:34:21 AM
Post by: Romero on August 11, 2015, 12:34:21 AM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 11, 2015, 12:39:53 AM
Post by: cc on August 11, 2015, 12:39:53 AM
I bow to your words. Who am I to challenge the idle words of someone who is obviously a full time Engineer with a masters in CivilQuote from: "cc la femme"
ac_smile
You are that, right? ... and been doing real engineering drawing work for how many decades was it?
WTF has THAT to do with anything? We're discussing Windows v Apple.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
LOL. That was for Joey .. our resident limo driver / computer design (via google) ex spurt
You slipped another cult-post in before I posted
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 11, 2015, 06:20:01 AM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 11, 2015, 06:20:01 AM
Trained to work only on Windows for decades, I had a nice delicious big Apple at work since early 2014. It was my predecessor's. All my coworkers had one too but they were all using Parallels Desktop on theirs. I refused to use Parallels Desktop. When the IT team came one morning to my office to customize Parallels Desktop on my Mac system, I said, "No need. Please don't run Parallels Desktop for me. Please remove it. I have an Apple so I will work exclusively with an Apple system. I don't see the point in running Windows on a Mac. I'd like to learn how Mac works." Caught off guard, the IT team said, "Mmmkay." They were scratching their heads because everyone else has Parallels Desktop. My coworkers said, "But, but, but..." I replied, "It's okay. I'll face every issue and go from there." Running Windows on a Mac is like cheating to me. Why have the hardware but not use its system? To my relief, I was able to work on it smoothly and it was a successful relationship, my Mac and I.
For an entire year, I enjoyed the new system as I've never worked with an Apple before. It was exciting to learn the ways in which it was different from Windows. I understood then why the others chose Parallels Desktop. There seems a lot to learn. It did not start off great. The IT team helped me tweak it until all was well. Then a few months ago, I was offered an opportunity I could not refuse. In my new role, I use two 27" Dell monitors. Woohoo! I love it. So, I am back on Windows and loving it. I've missed it. It's like revisiting an old favorite place where you know your way around.
My Apple is in storage and if I change my mind and want to use it again, it will be delivered to me and the IT team will have to configure it to suit me in my new post. If I want the Apple again, they will have to provide me with a second one because I must work with two monitors.
Outside of work, I'm still enjoying my Windows 8.1 touch screen.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 11, 2015, 08:33:26 AM
Post by: Bricktop on August 11, 2015, 08:33:26 AM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Frood on August 11, 2015, 09:52:32 AM
Post by: Frood on August 11, 2015, 09:52:32 AM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 11, 2015, 01:53:53 PM
Post by: cc on August 11, 2015, 01:53:53 PM
Hot damn Asia. 2 x 27"ers, I used to run that large and larger when we did very detailed drawings. Now, it's mainly testing software changes so all I need for that is my tiny 22 and I got back lots of desk space
So they are running Win on the apples they have so many $ invested in they can't just junk them??
I've been using 2 monitors on an off for over 15 years whenever I need to .... running either different views of the same drawing ... or say Civil in monitor and say Mechanical ... 2 very large programs running very processor intensive tasks on 2 monitors simultaneously from the same PC and OS
Then, it just another day and a mere desktop running mere Win not different than most all other businesses that do "real" work
I have been thinking of getting an apple for playtime as a break from heavy duty real work .... some artsy fartsy work. I'm good at art also, eh? .. and I'm told that they least do that stuff very well
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Frood on August 11, 2015, 02:45:47 PM
Post by: Frood on August 11, 2015, 02:45:47 PM
Apparently, I'm a dumb or vapid bitch who embarrasses parts of Australia already rendered extremely embarrassing to most of what Australia should be embarrassed about.
(Though I don't mind too much of what you're about either, go figure?)
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: RW on August 11, 2015, 02:55:46 PM
Post by: RW on August 11, 2015, 02:55:46 PM
Why we fight over this shit is beyond me.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Frood on August 11, 2015, 03:07:59 PM
Post by: Frood on August 11, 2015, 03:07:59 PM
We fight about these things like there isn't a place for both. They are operating systems that are treated like ideologies. My husband runs a Mac. He doesn't berate me for running a PC. His system does what he needs it to do and so does mine.Quote from: "RW"
Why we fight over this shit is beyond me.
Well said.
I remember news articles about 6-7 years ago by journalists who traveled across sections of North America with their I-gadgets and with help by hackers discovered that their every move was triangulated through cell phone towers and wifi through hidden files on their devices. (They actually traveled through multiple states without a phone call or text message exchanged but still managed to amass travel info linked directly to their person.)
Not much later, Nokia's system then and then Android was uncovered doing the same.
Every day at work at I take my breaks in a central area and watch virtually 99 percent of all people whip their phones out and embed their every attention into them so as to check Facebook, Twitter, and all that other bullshit. I just watch, without my phone in my hand. Couldn't care less, myself. If I would ever feel the need to pull my phone out, it would be to capture video of the mindless zombies looking at their phones.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 11, 2015, 03:17:16 PM
Post by: cc on August 11, 2015, 03:17:16 PM
Exactly - our voice of reason / come together saves us from destroying ourselves yet againHis system does what he needs it to do and so does mine.Quote from: "RW"
Win is made to do the heavy lifting for those who need that. Also, many who do light computing more than get what they pay for.
Seems this continues to make up most of the market.
Mac is great for the arts stuff .. art design, magazine production etc. and a few other not so common and usually not too processor intensive tasks
I knew 7 was well liked, liked it myself, and many of our clients use it. Still I was wowed by the stats
If I did not have to test our product on the latest, I might have stayed with 7. That said, 10 is doing me well right now and is very fast. Our calculation speed tests verify a significant speed gain in 10, speed and computing power that is needed by only a few users.
July, 2015
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 12, 2015, 07:03:25 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 12, 2015, 07:03:25 PM
Apple supports multiple monitors. Just so ya know.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Yes, I know, Spec. My boss has two Apple computers side by side, the largest ones too.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 12, 2015, 07:18:38 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 12, 2015, 07:18:38 PM
Apple supports multiple monitors. Just so ya know.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
This is the type of Mac I was working with at work until a couple of months ago. I chose this type of wireless mouse. I did not like the flat mouse. Aw, I miss my Mac. It's lonely in a dark closet.
I did not want to use this flat magic mouse because I could not get comfortable with it.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 12, 2015, 07:24:10 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 12, 2015, 07:24:10 PM
Hot damn Asia. 2 x 27"ers
So they are running Win on the apples they have so many $ invested in they can't just junk them??Quote from: "cc la femme"
Ain't that tragic?
I've been using 2 monitors on an off for over 15 years whenever I need to .... running either different views of the same drawing ... or say Civil in monitor and say Mechanical ... 2 very large programs running very processor intensive tasks on 2 monitors simultaneously from the same PC and OS
Then, it just another day and a mere desktop running mere Win not different than most all other businesses that do "real" work
I have been thinking of getting an apple for playtime as a break from heavy duty real work .... some artsy fartsy work. I'm good at art also, eh? .. and I'm told that they least do that stuff very well
Sounds great, zz!
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: J0E on August 13, 2015, 02:12:02 PM
Post by: J0E on August 13, 2015, 02:12:02 PM
Actually, a number of programmers have told me that it's easier to develop graphic applications for the MAC than it is for the PC.
Aside from the differing platforms, there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between today's PC's and Apple hardware/computers.
Just their operating systems.
Both use the Intel chip/architecture. Many of the same name brand cards.
It isn't like the days of Motorolla vs. Intel, the former of which Apple dumped in favor of the latter.
There are a number of decent CAD and 3D programs for the MAC (which run a PC too), such as VectorWorks, ArchiCAD.
Windows does a decent job. Mind you, it took them long enough, and they borrowed (stole?) much of their ideas from Apple's OS.
Other than that, the 2 OS's are pretty similar in function.
There may be some merits to the argument that Microsoft should re-make their OS from the ground up using LINUX as its base.
Windows is a very cumbersome operating system to maintain and to fix.
It's not really a terribly user-friendly OS for the home user.
Some people play with toys. Others, real working people like real Engineers use PCs & very large screens .. like 22" - 30+"Quote from: "cc la femme"
Something you may not know. A drawing on one of those toys is useless. Only a big screen allows them to get their real work done, hence for that reason and for raw heavy duty calculation power a high powered desktop is all they use.
Being an offical "AutoCAD Developer", for the hell of it today we checked with the head office of AutoDesk, the producer of AutoCAD, and they produce a "limited features" version of Plain Jane AutoCAD for mac. Know that even with full features, no one other than a student would use Plain Jane AutoCAD .
I decided to really check "real working companies" out just for the hell of it today.
Real workers, those who actually design road, sewers, buildings, bridges etc. ... real things that make a society run .. not teenyboppers talking to their friends and passing images of their titties .... use processor and OS intensive "Civil, Mechanical, Map, Architectural etc" (all of which I have installed separately on my own workhorse machine) ... programs 4 - 6 X the size of Plain Jane for mac that require real computer calculation power. Sometimes I run 3 or 4 of them at the same time to compare results.
I decided to check out more "real working companies just for the hell of it today. They were not "hip, cool" teenyboppers, they were real work firms. Was just at the docs, so asked their systems person what they run. It was 7 on all 35 machines. Called our bank, and guess what their 47 machines run for OS??
I called our company Accounting Firm. Guess what they run on their 17 machines?
I stopped there - started to feel I was beating a dead horse, eh?Toys are for boys (and girlies) to play with. Work machines are for men (and of course women) .. for real working people working for real companies that make the real world go round.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 13, 2015, 02:26:20 PM
Post by: cc on August 13, 2015, 02:26:20 PM
All you use one for is to google up bullshit to post - and try to defy reality
After all these years of trying and not quite 1 cultist per 20 actual operators
REALITY July, 2015
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: J0E on August 13, 2015, 02:39:59 PM
Post by: J0E on August 13, 2015, 02:39:59 PM
Joey, you don't even use a computer for WORK, so you don't even get to the starting postQuote from: "cc la femme"
All you use one for is to google up bullshit to post - and try to avoid reality
After all these years not quite 1 cultist in 20 actual operators(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://thebluecashew.com/download/file.php?id=349&t=1%22%3Ehttp://thebluecashew.com/download/file.php?id=349&t=1%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
A platform or hardware doesn't come into or fall out of favor because it's better.
It become the platform of choice because of perceived cost even if the other is superior.
It isn't quality which determines the acceptance of a technology, it's cost.
The last great Apple computers made were the G5 models.
Unfortunately, they don't make them anymore nor any software for them.
They could've continued making them, but they were considered too expensive
Every place I've worked at used a Windows PC.
Not one ever used a Mac.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 13, 2015, 02:47:51 PM
Post by: cc on August 13, 2015, 02:47:51 PM
Business is really simple in how the world works in ALL areas
Sales are determined by "value relative to need per dollar"
If you can't deliver in that area, you do not deliver at all .. as the stats for Win and Acad demonstrate
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: J0E on August 13, 2015, 02:52:15 PM
Post by: J0E on August 13, 2015, 02:52:15 PM
Yes. Business is really simple in how the world works in ALL areasQuote from: "cc la femme"
Sales are determined by value / dollar
If you can't deliver in that area, you do not deliver at all .. as the stats for Win and Acad demonstrate
AutoCAD was never even the best commercial CAD program out there.
From what I saw, MicroStation was better.
AutoCAD took/stole many of their ideas from them, such as the icon based interface.
...yeah, it's all about the money cc, which business/software developer manages to form the most favorable alliances.
Rarely about quality anymore.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 13, 2015, 02:58:28 PM
Post by: cc on August 13, 2015, 02:58:28 PM
Joey, you don't even use a computer for WORK, so you don't even get to the starting postQuote
All you use one for is to google up bullshit to post - and try to avoid reality
But for sure, don't let that deter you from carrying on by yourself
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 13, 2015, 07:57:21 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 13, 2015, 07:57:21 PM
Joey, you don't even use a computer for WORK, so you don't even get to the starting postQuote from: "cc la femme"
Well, I don't use a computer for WORK either. But when we did use computers for WORK we used Apple, and Joe is completely correct.
To the average home user, Windows is a nightmare. Everyone I know with a Windows PC has issues with drivers, file corruption, version compatibility and simply trying to fix issues.
Where IT resources exist with the means and capability to manage a Windows installation, this is less of a drama. But consider the amount of time and money businesses invest in simply keeping Windows sites operational.
This is why many revered XP. It was much less costly to manage.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: J0E on August 13, 2015, 09:59:19 PM
Post by: J0E on August 13, 2015, 09:59:19 PM
Oh don't worry, cc. There'll still be a market for your product and for all the other Windows AutoCAD developers.
ACAD and Windows ain't goin' away anytime soon.
Same time, even on the Windows platform, AutoCAD is certainly not the only Kid on the block. There are others such as ProEngineer which are at least as good, if not better. Some other software products which work with AutoCAD are at least as good as the AutoDesk family of products such as ngrain and RHINO.
AutoCAD is a decent program, but it certainly isn't the only one.
It has the Lions share of the market, but its not the best.
Anyways, Windows 7 is a decent Os, no doubt about it.
I'm about to install it on my MAC using bootcamp.
Should I install the 32 bit or 64 bit version, cc?
How much RAM do I need to comfortably run Windows 7?
It only has 6 gB of RAM. I'd add more but this particular laptop takes only 6.
What do u think?
You are a poor listener. You have already been outed for what you areQuote from: "cc la femme"Joey, you don't even use a computer for WORK, so you don't even get to the starting postQuote
All you use one for is to google up bullshit to post - and try to avoid reality
But for sure, don't let that deter you from carrying on by yourself
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 13, 2015, 10:00:36 PM
Post by: cc on August 13, 2015, 10:00:36 PM
The chart shows where the value / dollar ... the key to every line of business... is. So decisive that it leaves nothing but the crying.
The Religion does have a tiny few cult members / believers / sheep who swallow the pastor's blabber ... Just under 1 in 20 of the population is about right on the cult-vulnerability scale
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Vancouver on August 13, 2015, 10:15:17 PM
Post by: Vancouver on August 13, 2015, 10:15:17 PM
I have been using Windows 10 and I like it. Everything runs really smooth.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Anonymous on August 14, 2015, 05:19:51 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 14, 2015, 05:19:51 AM
When I was taking Game Arts and Design some years ago there were like 160 Windows PCs and maybe 40 Macs.Quote from: "TheVancouverGuy"
I have been using Windows 10 and I like it. Everything runs really smooth.
Hello TheVancouverGuy, it's so nice to see you here again..
I didn't know you took game arts and design, that's wonderful.
You have convinced me to get Windows 10..
We were planning to do that anyway, but we will do that sooner.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 14, 2015, 06:44:33 AM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 14, 2015, 06:44:33 AM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 14, 2015, 06:45:21 AM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 14, 2015, 06:45:21 AM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: RW on August 14, 2015, 07:44:12 AM
Post by: RW on August 14, 2015, 07:44:12 AM
Joey, you don't even use a computer for WORK, so you don't even get to the starting postQuote from: "cc la femme"
Well, I don't use a computer for WORK either. But when we did use computers for WORK we used Apple, and Joe is completely correct.
To the average home user, Windows is a nightmare. Everyone I know with a Windows PC has issues with drivers, file corruption, version compatibility and simply trying to fix issues.
Where IT resources exist with the means and capability to manage a Windows installation, this is less of a drama. But consider the amount of time and money businesses invest in simply keeping Windows sites operational.
This is why many revered XP. It was much less costly to manage.
The thing is with PCs is you can customize your hardware. That can be good and bad but driver installation is no big deal.
The biggest issue for Windows is with viruses. Between protecting against one or fixing one after infection, it's a huge pain in the arse!
I did Windows system administration as part of my work including Windows server without much issue at all. I will say that adding a MACbook to the network was incredibly easy.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 14, 2015, 12:16:19 PM
Post by: cc on August 14, 2015, 12:16:19 PM
Why? Because it is so numerous. The very dark soul of hackers and virus programmers is geared to do as much damage as possible with as little work as possible. With the 20 / 1 ratio of Win systems, of course they spend their time on programming for it.
Pro hackers doing it for money also obviously put work in for maximum payback
I'm used to hearing "Oh, it's not programmed as well = can be successfully programmed for. Bullrot. If there were many macs they would work their buns off to get in and get in.
If mac had grown in numbers the way cultists have been wet dreaming about and incorrectly predicting since inception, hackers / black programmers would successfully go after it. All cultists have the lines ready to protect their cult from being questioned by the unwashed.
"Challenge and success" are the operative words for talented amateurs. "Payback / hours of work" are the operative words for pros that do it for money.
That said, for all the hacking / virus stuff we hear about being attempted, we have had few problems over the years. Further, our programmers who work from totally separate locations don't have problems for the same reasons. For our own knowledge, we have in the past done loose surveys of our clients and found similar. Proper protection goes a long way to keeping damage unlikely.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: J0E on August 14, 2015, 02:31:55 PM
Post by: J0E on August 14, 2015, 02:31:55 PM
I'm still using Windows XP, seems to work just fine. I bought a copy of Windows 7 which is still sitting on the shelf.
On the Mac side I'm still running System 10.5, and it does everything I want it to and need it for.
I also have a copy of system 10.6 sitting on the shelf gathering dust also waiting to be installed.
Really, all these new O/S's are just another way for the software companies to gouge the conumer & make more money for themselves.
What is a compelling reason to upgrade from Windows 7 if it works just fine? Or for that matter OSX 10.10? People don't throw out their shoes or chuck their clothes in the fire just because a style came out
Anyways an OS is no more than the equivalent of your TV set. It allows you to run your favorite software programs.
There's too much hype surrounding the release of a new OS that doesn't do much more ijf anything susbstantially better than the previous O/S
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Vancouver on August 14, 2015, 08:54:17 PM
Post by: Vancouver on August 14, 2015, 08:54:17 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Bricktop on August 14, 2015, 10:10:54 PM
Post by: Bricktop on August 14, 2015, 10:10:54 PM
Agree more hackers go after Win.Quote from: "cc la femme"
Why? Because it is so numerous. The very dark soul of hackers and virus programmers is geared to do as much damage as possible with as little work as possible. With the 20 / 1 ratio of Win systems, of course they spend their time on programming for it.
Pro hackers doing it for money also obviously put work in for maximum payback
I'm used to hearing "Oh, it's not programmed as well = can be successfully programmed for. Bullrot. If there were many macs they would work their buns off to get in and get in.
If mac had grown in numbers the way cultists have been wet dreaming about and incorrectly predicting since inception, hackers / black programmers would successfully go after it. All cultists have the lines ready to protect their cult from being questioned by the unwashed.
"Challenge and success" are the operative words for talented amateurs. "Payback / hours of work" are the operative words for pros that do it for money.
That said, for all the hacking / virus stuff we hear about being attempted, we have had few problems over the years. Further, our programmers who work from totally separate locations don't have problems for the same reasons. For our own knowledge, we have in the past done loose surveys of our clients and found similar. Proper protection goes a long way to keeping damage unlikely.
Top Ten rated desktops.
2 of the first three are Apple.
CNET best rated desktops.
2 out of 6 are Apple, including best for Media Pros and All rounder.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Vancouver on August 14, 2015, 11:32:40 PM
Post by: Vancouver on August 14, 2015, 11:32:40 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 15, 2015, 02:36:13 AM
Post by: cc on August 15, 2015, 02:36:13 AM
Top Ten rated desktops.Quote
1 in 20 run mac software
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on August 15, 2015, 02:37:43 AM
Post by: cc on August 15, 2015, 02:37:43 AM
Top Ten rated desktops.Quote
1 in 20 run mac software
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Annie on November 06, 2015, 09:02:03 PM
Post by: Annie on November 06, 2015, 09:02:03 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2015, 09:42:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2015, 09:42:53 PM
Ok sooo I finally did it! I upgraded to Windows 10! I don't know why I was chicken about it, it was actually very easy and now my computer is faster. I like everything and only took me a few minutes to find the shut down and change the text size. I give this free upgrade two thumbs upQuote from: "GrAnnie":thumbup:
It's about time we upgraded all of our computers to Windows 10.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: cc on November 06, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
Post by: cc on November 06, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
have to crash /power off it to get going again
May be something other than 10 causing it, don't know
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Annie on November 06, 2015, 10:10:24 PM
Post by: Annie on November 06, 2015, 10:10:24 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: shin on November 08, 2015, 08:06:41 PM
Post by: shin on November 08, 2015, 08:06:41 PM
Somebody posted this on reddit a while back. It illustrates that the sending of private information of those with even premium versions of Win 10 OS cannot truly be turned off. Some of it might also be data mining as I've heard they use a new method for distributing update software.
Then there are smaller but widespread issues with driver support for some hardware that may cause malfunction... but that's something that has plagued Windows since Vista when they decided to stop supporting hardware companies that weren't on their preferred list.
I haven't looked deeply into the authentification process during setup, but I do know I don't want another Hotmail/Windows Live account; it makes me wonder what happens if they recycle your account due to the tiny time window they label as a go ahead to remove your login privileges what that would mean for keeping your Win 10 updates and services active, and if they force me to use their rebranded Internet Explorer browser, that's enough of a dealbreaker to get me to hold off even longer.
I initially said I wouldn't be upgrading before a year after the release, but I'm currently leaning toward investing in several refurbished machines running Win 7 for as long as I can.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: shin on November 08, 2015, 08:07:59 PM
Post by: shin on November 08, 2015, 08:07:59 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2015, 08:20:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 08, 2015, 08:20:37 PM
Sorry about the huge image. I haven't seen a smaller version of it, and I really wanted Cc to see it to get her take on it.Quote from: "shin"
Hey, no problem. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Annie on November 08, 2015, 08:23:14 PM
Post by: Annie on November 08, 2015, 08:23:14 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2015, 06:54:32 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2015, 06:54:32 AM
I wonder if the majority of that is just that, data mining.Quote from: "GrAnnie"I know there was something about "collecting info" or "customer experience data while I was updating. You can bet many companies have their own "spyware" programmed into their software :sneaky2:
I expect that though.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: the shark hunter on November 09, 2015, 01:41:26 PM
Post by: the shark hunter on November 09, 2015, 01:41:26 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2015, 09:34:12 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2015, 09:34:12 AM
... i am not using windows 10 because it isn't installed on any of my computers. nor will i be putting it on any of my computers. the present operating systems are good, plus none of the software i use was designed for windows 10. however, i do expect it to be installed on any computer i purchase in the future. i've noticed most machines for sale are still on 8.1 ...Quote from: "the shark hunter"
I might have misunderstood, but I thought you only used a smartphone at home the shark hunter?
... it's very good if you want to check your e-mail and go on social media and things like that ...
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2015, 01:31:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2015, 01:31:47 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: the shark hunter on November 10, 2015, 04:43:31 PM
Post by: the shark hunter on November 10, 2015, 04:43:31 PM
I might have misunderstood, but I thought you only used a smartphone at home the shark hunter?Quote from: "Fashionista"
... yes, you did misunderstand, Fash. i use a Rogers smartphone for the web, but i do have a PC ...
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 10, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
I might have misunderstood, but I thought you only used a smartphone at home the shark hunter?Quote from: "Fashionista"
... yes, you did misunderstand, Fash. i use a Rogers smartphone for the web, but i do have a PC ...
Apparently you have more than one. None are used for the web though eh?
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: shin on November 12, 2015, 08:01:44 PM
Post by: shin on November 12, 2015, 08:01:44 PM
Anyway, according to this article. Microsoft has released Windows Updates to 7, 8 and 10 that are focused around collecting unique personal data without fully understood consent.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: shin on November 12, 2015, 08:09:37 PM
Post by: shin on November 12, 2015, 08:09:37 PM
I wonder if the majority of that is just that, data mining.Quote from: "GrAnnie"I know there was something about "collecting info" or "customer experience data while I was updating. You can bet many companies have their own "spyware" programmed into their software :sneaky2:
I expect that though.
Checking performance logs to learn the root of common causes of software failure is one thing, but the invasive data collection they're referring to includes media files downloaded from the Internet (to combat piracy, they say), and keywords included in personal documents that would ultimately be identifiable to an individual when compared to the data taken from other systems.
Consumer data is as good as gold to potential advertisers when it comes to their marketing schemes. If you use Facebook, have you ever wondered how the ads along the side pane are chosen as relevant to you? The site searches more than just your device for temporary Internet files, tracking cookies, and browser history... and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2015, 11:59:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2015, 11:59:52 PM
I wonder if the majority of that is just that, data mining.Quote from: "GrAnnie"I know there was something about "collecting info" or "customer experience data while I was updating. You can bet many companies have their own "spyware" programmed into their software :sneaky2:
I expect that though.
Checking performance logs to learn the root of common causes of software failure is one thing, but the invasive data collection they're referring to includes media files downloaded from the Internet (to combat piracy, they say), and keywords included in personal documents that would ultimately be identifiable to an individual when compared to the data taken from other systems.
Consumer data is as good as gold to potential advertisers when it comes to their marketing schemes. If you use Facebook, have you ever wondered how the ads along the side pane are chosen as relevant to you? The site searches more than just your device for temporary Internet files, tracking cookies, and browser history... and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
What do you do though.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Annie on November 13, 2015, 12:07:30 AM
Post by: Annie on November 13, 2015, 12:07:30 AM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: shin on November 14, 2015, 08:26:07 PM
Post by: shin on November 14, 2015, 08:26:07 PM
I wonder if the majority of that is just that, data mining.Quote from: "GrAnnie"I know there was something about "collecting info" or "customer experience data while I was updating. You can bet many companies have their own "spyware" programmed into their software :sneaky2:
I expect that though.
Checking performance logs to learn the root of common causes of software failure is one thing, but the invasive data collection they're referring to includes media files downloaded from the Internet (to combat piracy, they say), and keywords included in personal documents that would ultimately be identifiable to an individual when compared to the data taken from other systems.
Consumer data is as good as gold to potential advertisers when it comes to their marketing schemes. If you use Facebook, have you ever wondered how the ads along the side pane are chosen as relevant to you? The site searches more than just your device for temporary Internet files, tracking cookies, and browser history... and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
What do you do though.
Enjoy these days like they're among the last, because the way we use the Internet will be forever changed in less than 10 years.
They have resorted to similar data collection methods with updates for Windows 7 and 8 now.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: shin on November 14, 2015, 08:29:03 PM
Post by: shin on November 14, 2015, 08:29:03 PM
I've been having problems with Firefox for awhile, even after upgrading to Windows 10. I installed Google Chrome and now no more freezing or not responding. I hope I have the problem fixed. I was sure the upgrade would have fixed it....oh well I'm liking my new browser much better anyways. So far Windows 10 is a bit faster.Quote from: "GrAnnie"
A faster boot time and application loading times are very important, but if I think back to the launch of older Windows OS, most of them worked faster before the updates reached a volume beyond the first service pack. It might just be a matter of time... period.
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: Annie on November 14, 2015, 11:32:14 PM
Post by: Annie on November 14, 2015, 11:32:14 PM
Title: Re: Are You Using/Will You Use Windows 10?
Post by: J0E on November 15, 2015, 12:06:23 PM
Post by: J0E on November 15, 2015, 12:06:23 PM