Title: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2015, 08:02:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 16, 2015, 08:02:20 PM
Canadian oil is environmentally responsible oil. Using more Canadian oil is better for the planet.
Why can we say that, when opponents of the oil sands call it the dirtiest oil in the world?
First, the majority of emissions from oil come at the burning stage – approximately 70% to 80% are at the end of the life cycle (such as vehicle exhaust). That statistic is not dependent on the source of the oil. Comparing one source of oil to another is about measuring how that oil is extracted and transported, which makes up the remaining 20% to 30% of emissions.
Many countries that supply oil to developing economies like China and India – the destination for oil in the Trans Mountain expansion– are the worst environmental offenders in the world.
Nigeria, for example, flares about 25 billion cubic meters of gas every year, equivalent to 42% of all of the gas burned in Africa. Because methane is 25 time more lethal to the environment, this practice makes Nigeria the worst air polluter in the world. The flaring is done close to human habitations, endangering their health and covering their communities with soot. Deliberate and accidental oil spills have despoiled the Niger River, destroying mangrove forests, killing the marine habitat, and poisoning the water. That all makes Nigerian oil truly the dirtiest oil on the planet, yet Nigeria supplies 2.2 million barrels a day to consumers in the developing world.
Iraq flares about 15 billion cubic meters of noxious gases every year. Iraq also uses potable water for oil extraction in a part of the world where scarce clean water sustains life. Political unrest has resulted in deliberate oil spills and the bombing of oil pipelines, which have destroyed yet more potable water and marine habitats.
Angola flares about 3 billion cubic meters of gas every year. Marine habitats have been destroyed by dumping hazardous wastes, deliberate and accidental oil spills, and seismic testing and drilling.
Not so in Canada. Worley Parsons compared ten oil producing countries and found that Canada, Australia and the US Gulf Coast "were consistently leading in a comparison of existing environmental policies, laws and regulatory systems". Penspen studied bitumen and determined definitively that Canadian bitumen is no more corrosive than conventional crude oil, another myth about oil sands oil.
In Canada, a group called the Canadian Oil Sands Innovation Alliance has invested almost a billion dollars in 777 new oil sands technologies that they share with one another to improve the industry's performance. New technologies and practices reduced per barrel GHG emissions from the oil sands by 28% between 1990 and 2012. In situ drilling uses saline water unsuitable for human, animal or plant consumption, and even then, recycles 80% to 95% of it.
Canada produces about 4% of the world's oil. Imagine the benefits for the environment if the countries producing the other 96% were to adopt some of our clean production technologies. Or if some of that Nigerian, Angolan and Iraqi oil were replaced by Canada's cleaner product.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: RW on August 16, 2015, 08:52:23 PM
Post by: RW on August 16, 2015, 08:52:23 PM
:)
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2015, 07:02:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2015, 07:02:11 PM
Trouble is Shen, no one outside of Canada gives a flying fuck about environmental impact.Quote from: "RW"
:)
Yes and no. I am a wellsite consultant or supervisor or engineer as we are commonly called. I have worked in countries like that. Most countries care, but it is not a religion like it is in this country.
Canada is the world leader when it comes to environmental protection and worker safety too. No other country and this includes oil producing countries like Norway, the states or Scotland have anything above Canada on environment and safety. These days I limit my work area to Southern Saskatchewan, South West Manitoba and North Dakota. Saskatchewan is ahead of North Dakota when it comes to being proactive on the environment. Alberta and BC are ahead of us. It's a disgrace that the best extracted oil in the world is the one most vilified. Too often by our own politicians who should be shouting our industrial virtues.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 17, 2015, 07:26:35 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 17, 2015, 07:26:35 PM
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2015, 07:34:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2015, 07:34:57 PM
Hah!Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"ac_biggrin
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 17, 2015, 09:26:17 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 17, 2015, 09:26:17 PM
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2015, 09:30:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2015, 09:30:07 PM
Don't mind me, Fash. That was like a burp.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola":laugh3:
You must have drank carbonated water.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 17, 2015, 09:36:54 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 17, 2015, 09:36:54 PM
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: cc on August 17, 2015, 09:40:58 PM
Post by: cc on August 17, 2015, 09:40:58 PM
Wowzers!! Was it potent, refreshing and delicious - Being soda lovers, we usually had it in Club Soda
For taste and strength It makes straight lemon or lime juice look comparably like wimps
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2015, 09:44:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 17, 2015, 09:44:47 PM
Damn Asia. When we lived there, we found Calamansi juice . very common there.Quote from: "cc la femme"
Wowzers!! Was it potent, refreshing and delicious - Being soda lovers, we usually had it in Club Soda
For taste and strength It makes straight lemon or lime juice look comparably like wimps
Calamansis are limes aren't they?
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: cc on August 17, 2015, 10:06:13 PM
Post by: cc on August 17, 2015, 10:06:13 PM
Asia will know the subtleties on this one
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2015, 04:58:03 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 18, 2015, 04:58:03 AM
I believe they are a "type" of lime. Very small in size compared to limes I was familiar with but very potent and flavorfulQuote from: "cc la femme"
Asia will know the subtleties on this one
I have seen them before..
I don't know if I had them in any thing I've had.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: J0E on August 18, 2015, 12:25:28 PM
Post by: J0E on August 18, 2015, 12:25:28 PM
Here the environmental groups have been trashing tarsands oil and how it's wrecking the envoronment, but then they become silent when the topic of fracking comes up. The Obama adminstration trashes the proposed Keystone pipeline as being bad for the environment and then extols the virtues of fracking, as if it were a panacea for America's energy needs. Meanwhile fracking destroys geological foundations millions perhaps billions of years old. If I'm not mistaken, it has the potential to create sinkholes and earthquakes. Additionally, pollutes the groundwater which many Americans rely upon for drinking, etc.
Is this a case of when the shoe is on someone else's foot, it's bad, but when its on mine, I look the other way?
Trouble is Shen, no one outside of Canada gives a flying fuck about environmental impact.Quote from: "RW"
:)
Yes and no. I am a wellsite consultant or supervisor or engineer as we are commonly called. I have worked in countries like that. Most countries care, but it is not a religion like it is in this country.
Canada is the world leader when it comes to environmental protection and worker safety too. No other country and this includes oil producing countries like Norway, the states or Scotland have anything above Canada on environment and safety. These days I limit my work area to Southern Saskatchewan, South West Manitoba and North Dakota. Saskatchewan is ahead of North Dakota when it comes to being proactive on the environment. Alberta and BC are ahead of us. It's a disgrace that the best extracted oil in the world is the one most vilified. Too often by our own politicians who should be shouting our industrial virtues.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2015, 09:29:32 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2015, 09:29:32 AM
Well, since you're an expert in the field, can you tell us if Alberta bituminous oil oil extraction is any worse than fracking?Quote from: "Frank"
Here the environmental groups have been trashing bituminous oil oil and how it's wrecking the envoronment, but then they become silent when the topic of fracking comes up. The Obama adminstration trashes the proposed Keystone pipeline as being bad for the environment and then extols the virtues of fracking, as if it were a panacea for America's energy needs. Meanwhile fracking destroys geological foundations millions perhaps billions of years old. If I'm not mistaken, it has the potential to create sinkholes and earthquakes. Additionally, pollutes the groundwater which many Americans rely upon for drinking, etc.
Is this a case of when the shoe is on someone else's foot, it's bad, but when its on mine, I look the other way?
My husband works for a specialized oilfield service company..
They do very little work in North East Alberta, but they do a lot of work on fracked oil and gas wells..
He has never said anything to about fracking being a dangerous procedure at all.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2015, 11:51:29 AM
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2015, 11:51:29 AM
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2015, 03:31:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2015, 03:31:40 PM
B.C. Green Party MLA and climate change scientist Andrew Weaver co-authored a study comparing coal to Alberta's oil sands. He found that burning coal is 41 times more damaging to the environment than the oil sands.
Countries like China and India rely inordinately on coal. China obtains 69% of its energy needs from burning coal, and has a stated policy to reduce coal to 63% primarily by using more oil. India obtains 44% of its energy from coal, and is actively pursuing strategies to secure an increased supply of oil both domestically and offshore.
As developing countries' populations grow and they industrialize, they require fuel. Many families and small businesses heat and cook with high emission fuel like coal and traditional biomass (peat, wood, animal dung, agricultural waste). Substituting oil for coal and biomass would be a massive step toward better human health. The World Health Organization estimates that the domestic use of biomass and coal results in 1.6 million premature deaths every year.
By substituting oil for coal and biomass, the world would also take a material step toward lowering global GHG emissions. In fact, Canada can contribute far more to GHG reduction by supplying cleanly extracted oil than it ever could through energy efficiency programs here at home, simply because our population is small and our contribution to global GHGs also small (about 1.6%). The opportunity to have this impact is quickly available, by increasing exports of oil, compared to other strategies that are many more years away.
If fuel in developing countries is expensive, it also drives up the cost of food because today's food supply is highly dependent on transportation. High fuel prices also lead to greater demand for biofuels, which in turn drives up the price of basic food crops like corn, rapeseed and sugarcane making them less accessible as food. Attempting to remove fossil fuels from the global food supply chain too quickly, and before adequate and affordable alternatives are available, by trying to constrain their supply, would be catastrophic to billions of people.
Reducing global GHGs requires a mix of strategies. One of those strategies is to replace high emission fuel with lower emission fuel, safely produced. We have the opportunity to do that in the immediate future through expanded pipeline capacity and exports of oil to Asia Pacific. Exporting lower emission fuel, environmentally extracted, to the burgeoning economies of third world countries could make a huge difference not only to GHG emissions, but to the cost of food and the quality of health enjoyed by those populations.
Canada sends millions of dollars to emerging countries to aid in their development. Sending oil would be equally beneficial.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2015, 05:06:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2015, 05:06:04 PM
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 19, 2015, 09:29:37 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 19, 2015, 09:29:37 PM
Damn Asia. When we lived there, we found Calamansi juice . very common there.Quote from: "cc la femme"
Wowzers!! Was it potent, refreshing and delicious - Being soda lovers, we usually had it in Club Soda
For taste and strength It makes straight lemon or lime juice look comparably like wimps
Yes, zz! I love that too!
I grew up drinking that with all my meals, lunch and supper especially. It's great with ice too on a hot day.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 19, 2015, 09:31:09 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on August 19, 2015, 09:31:09 PM
Damn Asia. When we lived there, we found Calamansi juice . very common there.Quote from: "cc la femme"
Wowzers!! Was it potent, refreshing and delicious - Being soda lovers, we usually had it in Club Soda
For taste and strength It makes straight lemon or lime juice look comparably like wimps
Calamansis are limes aren't they?
Yes, Fash. A cross between lime and lemon and tinier than both. They are the size of a gum ball.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: the shark hunter on August 20, 2015, 02:28:16 PM
Post by: the shark hunter on August 20, 2015, 02:28:16 PM
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Romero on August 20, 2015, 02:52:43 PM
Post by: Romero on August 20, 2015, 02:52:43 PM
... who is this obongo whose name i see here from time to time?Quote from: "the shark hunter"
It's a racist term for President Obama, making fun of his African ancestry.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: cc on August 20, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
Post by: cc on August 20, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: the shark hunter on August 20, 2015, 05:27:52 PM
Post by: the shark hunter on August 20, 2015, 05:27:52 PM
... who is this obongo whose name i see here from time to time?Quote from: "the shark hunter"
It's a racist term for President Obama, making fun of his African ancestry.
... i see. thank you, Romero!
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Romero on August 20, 2015, 05:44:42 PM
Post by: Romero on August 20, 2015, 05:44:42 PM
Never miss a golden opportunity to throw out the "r" wordQuote from: "cc la femme"
I'm just answering shark hunter's question. It is a racist term, so why wouldn't I tell him it is?
Sugarcoating is for the politically correct. That may be your style but it's not mine.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2015, 05:44:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2015, 05:44:59 PM
... who is this obongo whose name i see here from time to time?Quote from: "the shark hunter"
It's a racist term for President Obama, making fun of his African ancestry.
I doubt that is what the person who wrote the op meant. But, it is meant as an insult. Like saying Africa is a backward continent. It's Gary Oak or EU style and unbecoming of adults.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2015, 10:36:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2015, 10:36:43 PM
... who is this obongo whose name i see here from time to time?Quote from: "the shark hunter"
It's a racist term for President Obama, making fun of his African ancestry.
I doubt that is what the person who wrote the op meant. But, it is meant as an insult. Like saying Africa is a backward continent. It's Gary Oak or EU style andunbecoming of adults.
It is immature seoulbro.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2015, 11:43:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2015, 11:43:02 PM
You're welcome!Quote from: "Romero"Never miss a golden opportunity to throw out the "r" wordQuote from: "cc la femme"
I'm just answering shark hunter's question. It is a racist term, so why wouldn't I tell him it is?
Sugarcoating is for the politically correct. That may be your style but it's not mine.
You got me. I am racist towards half Kenyan, half white American guys.
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on August 24, 2015, 05:57:55 PM
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on August 24, 2015, 05:57:55 PM
Title: Re: Don't Tell The Dippers And Obongo, But Canadian Oil Is Better For The Planet
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2015, 09:13:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on August 24, 2015, 09:13:42 PM
Barack is concerned about the Canadian environment.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"