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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: Bricktop on September 03, 2015, 08:03:39 PM

Title: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 03, 2015, 08:03:39 PM
Why don't YOU let the Syrian and Libyan refugees into your MUSLIM countries.



Doesn't Allah tell you you must care for your brothers and sisters?



Why are they going to Europe, when their are perfectly good and wealthy islamic nations nearby that are more aligned with your religion and culture?



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34132308
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2015, 08:17:56 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Why don't YOU let the Syrian and Libyan refugees into your MUSLIM countries.



Doesn't Allah tell you you must care for your brothers and sisters?



Why are they going to Europe, when their are perfectly good and wealthy islamic nations nearby that are more aligned with your religion and culture?



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34132308

That's a good question Spec.



Ms la femme, care to shed some light on this?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 03, 2015, 08:37:07 PM
There already are millions of refugees in Muslim countries.



Most Syrian refugees are in Turkey and Lebanon. Libyan refugees are going to Europe because it's just across the water.



What did you think would happen when we started bombing their countries and supported terrorists?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2015, 08:48:37 PM
Quote from: "Romero"There already are millions of refugees in Muslim countries.



Most Syrian refugees are in Turkey and Lebanon. Libyan refugees are going to Europe because it's just across the water.



What did you think would happen when we started bombing their countries and supported terrorists?

But Turkey, Lebanon or Jordan are not rich, Gulf oil states.  Syrians, who are required to obtain rarely granted visas to enter almost all Arab countries.



Without a visa, Syrians are not currently allowed to enter Arab countries except for Algeria, Mauritania, Sudan and Yemen.



The relative wealth and proximity to Syria of the states has led many - in both social and as well as traditional media - to question whether these states have more of a duty than Europe towards Syrians suffering from over four years of conflict and the emergence of jihadist groups in the country.



Rich, Gulf countries are funding ISIS and Al Qaeda groups and then refuse to let them in after the groups they fund created a refugee crisis.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 03, 2015, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"But Turkey, Lebanon or Jordan are not rich, Gulf oil states.

Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan are along the Syrian border. The only places to go. Those refugees can't get to the rich Gulf oil states.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 03, 2015, 09:16:27 PM
Quote from: "Romero"There already are millions of refugees in Muslim countries.



Most Syrian refugees are in Turkey and Lebanon. Libyan refugees are going to Europe because it's just across the water.



What did you think would happen when we started bombing their countries and supported terrorists?


I take your point, Rom, but this is not about the cause of the flood, but why certain muslim countries seem unwilling to use some of their massive wealth to help their brothers. It seems that some are doing nothing...or less than nothing, and turning them away.



Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Dubai in particular. These sandpits have untold wealth due to their oil, but don't seem keen to provide aid. Likewise Saudi Arabia.



It is not a question of transport. These countries could despatch aircraft and ships to pick these refugees up. I accept that some are helping out. Turkey and Lebanon, as you say. But there are MANY other muslim nations doing nothing. Indonesia. Malaysia. Egypt.



Why are these muslims fleeing to non islamic countries??



I suggest they are taking advantage of the human tragedy to queue jump into countries that would normally not allow them residency, and are far more compassionate than islamic nations.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2015, 09:46:45 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "seoulbro"But Turkey, Lebanon or Jordan are not rich, Gulf oil states.

Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan are along the Syrian border. The only places to go. Those refugees can't get to the rich Gulf oil states.

That's because Gulf oil states won't accept them.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 03, 2015, 09:52:22 PM
But Allah says that muslims must help their brothers in time of need!!!
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2015, 09:56:41 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"But Allah says that muslims must help their brothers in time of need!!!

I know people that have worked in oil rich, Arab nations. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 03, 2015, 10:08:56 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Likewise Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is too busy creating Yemeni refugees with American cluster bombs.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2015, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Likewise Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is too busy creating Yemeni refugees with American cluster bombs.

They still found time to help ISIS take over the North of Iraq though.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: RW on September 03, 2015, 10:19:52 PM
How about we stop giving people excuses to be refugees?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 03, 2015, 10:21:12 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Likewise Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is too busy creating Yemeni refugees with American cluster bombs.

They still found time to help ISIS take over the North of Iraq though.

They did! And so did we.



We're helping ISIS at this very moment. There will be plenty more refugees to come.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 03, 2015, 10:26:54 PM
QuoteYemen's Hidden War



Along with the Saudi coalition's bombing campaign, American warships have also helped to enforce a naval blockade that the Saudis say is necessary to prevent weapon shipments to the Houthis, whom they claim are supported by Iran. According to the U.N., this collective punishment has left the country "on the brink of famine," with desperate shortages of food, medical supplies and fuel — vital not only for transportation but for pumping increasingly scarce water from the depths of the country's depleted water tables. Four out of five Yemenis are now in need of humanitarian assistance.



To add to the worsening humanitarian crisis, on August 18 Saudi-led fighter jets bombed the port in the northern city of Hodeidah, a main supply route for aid agencies, while on the outskirts of Aden white sugar spills into shredded sacks of flour. Hundreds of pounds of vital food supplies lie ruined in bombed-out warehouses.



//https://theintercept.com/2015/09/01/yemen-hidden-war-saudi-coalition-killing-civilians/
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2015, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Likewise Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabia is too busy creating Yemeni refugees with American cluster bombs.

They still found time to help ISIS take over the North of Iraq though.

They did! And so did we.



We're helping ISIS at this very moment. There will be plenty more refugees to come.

Yeah, we're really helping ISIS by taking in refugees. Guaranteed there are ISIS plants among them.
QuotePrince Bandar bin Sultan, once the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington and head of Saudi intelligence until a few months ago, had a revealing and ominous conversation with the head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove. Prince Bandar told him: "The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally 'God help the Shia'. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them."

The fatal moment predicted by Prince Bandar may now have come for many Shia, with Saudi Arabia playing an important role in bringing it about by supporting the anti-Shia jihad in Iraq and Syria

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iraq-crisis-how-saudi-arabia-helped-isis-take-over-the-north-of-the-country-9602312.html
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 03, 2015, 11:08:13 PM
Saudi is buying American armaments at unprecedented levels. It is now the biggest arms purchaser on the planet.



Shit's going to get real.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2015, 11:29:13 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Saudi is buying American armaments at unprecedented levels. It is now the biggest arms purchaser on the planet.



Shit's going to get real.

Fuck, I hate Saudi Arabia. I wish we could get our oil to every market that they sell to and make those corrupt, bloodthirsty sheikhs obsolete.
Title: Arab's comment on the lack of support from Saudi Arabia & other wealthy Gulf states in the Syrian Refugee crisis
Post by: J0E on September 04, 2015, 04:49:51 AM
Writes Sultan Sooud al-Qassemi:



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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/syria-crisis-wealthy-gulf-states-deny-famed-arab-hospitality-refugees-1518310


QuoteOver the past few years the world has witnessed the greatest refugee crisis of the 21st century unfold live on its television screens. What started as peaceful protests by Syrians demanding rights quickly turned into the bloodiest and arguably cruellest conflict this region has witnessed in decades.



Syrians are caught between the brutal killing machine of Bashar Al Assad's regime and the inhuman cruelty of a terrorist group that has raised the bar for evil and barbarism towards human beings and civilisation.



As the situation deteriorated, tens of thousands of desperate Syrians began to embark on the dangerous journey to Europe by boat. Criticism grew of the Gulf States – the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain and Oman – who until recently were the 'elephants in the room' when it came to their lack of support and resettlement for fleeing Syrian refugees.


He goes on further to write:


QuoteBut an estimated nine million Syrian refugees have had to flee their homes since the uprising started in March 2011. Mercy Corps estimates Turkey has taken in 1.6m Syrian refugees while Lebanon has accepted 1.1m. Egypt, Jordan and Iraq have jointly resettled 130,000, 620,000 and 240,000 Syrian refugees respectively. The final tally of refugee intake for the six Arab Gulf States stands at a grand total of zero.


Saudi Arabia has an area of of 800,000 square miles and just 33 people per square mile.

Germany has an area of under 200,000 square miles and over 600 people per square mile.



Saudi Arabia has accepted no Syrian refugees.

Germany will accept 800,000.
Title: Re: Arab's comment on the lack of support from Saudi Arabia & other wealthy Gulf states in the Syrian Refugee crisis
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: "Frank"Writes Sultan Sooud al-Qassemi:



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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/syria-crisis-wealthy-gulf-states-deny-famed-arab-hospitality-refugees-1518310


QuoteOver the past few years the world has witnessed the greatest refugee crisis of the 21st century unfold live on its television screens. What started as peaceful protests by Syrians demanding rights quickly turned into the bloodiest and arguably cruellest conflict this region has witnessed in decades.



Syrians are caught between the brutal killing machine of Bashar Al Assad's regime and the inhuman cruelty of a terrorist group that has raised the bar for evil and barbarism towards human beings and civilisation.



As the situation deteriorated, tens of thousands of desperate Syrians began to embark on the dangerous journey to Europe by boat. Criticism grew of the Gulf States – the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain and Oman – who until recently were the 'elephants in the room' when it came to their lack of support and resettlement for fleeing Syrian refugees.


He goes on further to write:


QuoteBut an estimated nine million Syrian refugees have had to flee their homes since the uprising started in March 2011. Mercy Corps estimates Turkey has taken in 1.6m Syrian refugees while Lebanon has accepted 1.1m. Egypt, Jordan and Iraq have jointly resettled 130,000, 620,000 and 240,000 Syrian refugees respectively. The final tally of refugee intake for the six Arab Gulf States stands at a grand total of zero.


Saudi Arabia has an area of of 800,000 square miles and just 33 people per square mile.

Germany has an area of under 200,000 square miles and over 600 people per square mile.



Saudi Arabia has accepted no Syrian refugees.

Germany will accept 800,000.

A very interesting post Frank..



But, what you may not know is that SPECTRE already has a thread about this.
Title: Re: Arab's comment on the lack of support from Saudi Arabia & other wealthy Gulf states in the Syrian Refugee crisis
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 11:11:56 AM
QuoteSaudi Arabia has accepted no Syrian refugees.

Germany will accept 800,000.

This stat says it all.
Title: Re: Arab's comment on the lack of support from Saudi Arabia & other wealthy Gulf states in the Syrian Refugee crisis
Post by: cc on September 04, 2015, 12:56:55 PM
QuoteEven Arabs living in the wealthy Gulf states think they don't do enough to help Syrian Refugees

Bullshit Joe - Stupid thread is stupid



First - You quote [size=150]1[/size] person and then say "Even Arabs living in the wealthy Gulf states think they don't do enough " from that



Second - You do NOT post a creditable news site to support the inference that many feel that way



Third - Joe, there are several threads for this .. Fash please combine  (or delete) .. I'm sick of dipshit posting duplicate threads every time he has a thought, assuming it is a thought



You have now done the same selfish act on 2 forums Again, Again, Again,
Title: Re: Arab's comment on the lack of support from Saudi Arabia & other wealthy Gulf states in the Syrian Refugee crisis
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 01:15:03 PM
:laugh:



cc hates it when there are too many Muslim threads!
Title: Re: Arab's comment on the lack of support from Saudi Arabia & other wealthy Gulf states in the Syrian Refugee crisis
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 01:25:47 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"
QuoteEven Arabs living in the wealthy Gulf states think they don't do enough to help Syrian Refugees

Bullshit Joe - Stupid thread is stupid



First - You quote [size=150]1[/size] person and then say "Even Arabs living in the wealthy Gulf states think they don't do enough " from that



Second - You do NOT post a creditable news site to support the inference that many feel that way



Third - Joe, there are several threads for this .. Fash please combine  (or delete) .. I'm sick of dipshit posting duplicate threads every time he has a thought, assuming it is a thought



You have now done the same selfish act on 2 forums Again, Again, Again,

It does get old in a hurry.
Title: Re: Arab's comment on the lack of support from Saudi Arabia & other wealthy Gulf states in the Syrian Refugee crisis
Post by: J0E on September 04, 2015, 01:48:02 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"
QuoteEven Arabs living in the wealthy Gulf states think they don't do enough to help Syrian Refugees

Bullshit Joe - Stupid thread is stupid



First - You quote [size=150]1[/size] person and then say "Even Arabs living in the wealthy Gulf states think they don't do enough " from that



Second - You do NOT post a creditable news site to support the inference that many feel that way



Third - Joe, there are several threads for this .. Fash please combine  (or delete) .. I'm sick of dipshit posting duplicate threads every time he has a thought, assuming it is a thought



You have now done the same selfish act on 2 forums Again, Again, Again,


Actually I'm on side with you and other Right Wingers in questioning why Western nations have the onus placed upon them to accept so many Syrian refugees.



And I think people, especially those from these nations who refuse to help out and do their part, should be made aware that their leaders aren't willing to pitch in and do their fair share.



Actually, I've somewhat evolved from thinking we shouldn't help out, to thinking Canada and other nations should offer assistance and allow at least some refugees.



However, I think that the system of accepting and resettling refugees needs to be overhauled, and every capable nation such as the wealthy Arab Gulf states has to contribute to humanitarian crisis too. The burden shouldn't be placed on one continent but on every other nation that can help out.



Make no doubt about it, this isn't the last time this will happen and this kind of story will crop up.



The Middle East is one day  building up to 'The Big One', a huge war one day similar to World War II, when it won't be 5 to 10 million refugees, but 100 million or more.



When that place blows up many many more will want to get out.



That's why provisions have to made now, restrictions placed so that the West will be prepared for the migratory shock which is to come in the next 25 years.
Title: Re: Arab's comment on the lack of support from Saudi Arabia & other wealthy Gulf states in the Syrian Refugee crisis
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 01:54:07 PM
QuoteCanadian ISIS Airstrike May Have Killed 27 Civilians



Last week, it was revealed that Canadian warplanes were accused of causing civilian casualties in Iraq in a January strike, despite the Canadian defense minister telling the public as recently as last month that he was "not aware" of a single allegation.



Today, we get even more details on this incident, and that not only were the Canadian planes accused of some civilian deaths, they were accused of a major incident in which 27 civilians were slain near the Iraqi city of Mosul. Kurdish officials are now confirming the details.



Incredibly, Canada not only didn't publicly admit this allegation existed, but they refused to investigate the incident at all, because they said they didn't believe it was "credible." As with so many incidents of civilian casualties they simply shrugged and went on bombing, assuming it just never happened.



That's been the order of the day with the US-led air campaign, with 71 different incidents leaving over 450 civilians dead, and a sum total of one investigation ever taking place, and insisting that only two people were killed overall.



Australia is also facing allegations of multiple incidents in which civilians may have been killed, and similarly just shrugged the deaths off with "insufficient evidence." With Centcom offering no details on 70 out of 71 incidents, and confirming that by and large they didn't do anything more than take a cursory glance at the claim, it is unclear how many nations might have embarrassing civilian killing incidents looming.



//http://news.antiwar.com/2015/09/03/canadian-isis-airstrike-may-have-killed-27-civilians/

It's not the West's responsibility to take in refugees. The West's job is to make refugees.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 04, 2015, 02:07:44 PM
The wealthy Arab Gulf states not the only ones guilty of doing nothing during the Syrian refugee crisis:



http://www.npr.org/2015/01/02/374621844/life-getting-tougher-for-syrian-migrants-refugees-in-russia


QuoteGannuskina estimates there are 10 to 20,000 Syrians in Russia who are undocumented but can't go home. The UN refugee office in Russia says none has been granted asylum this year, including Yasser, the young tailor we met earlier. He now works at another Syrian clothing factory and is trying to renew his expired visa. His mother and brothers have also come from Aleppo to escape the war.


Germany is 137,847 sq mi and has densely populated nation of over 600 people per square mile.



Russia is 6,592,800 sq mi and has population density of 25.1 people per square mile. It has the largest land mass of any nation on the planet.



Russia is also a net exporter of wheat so it does have the capability to feed its own people and more:



http://www.businessinsider.com/the-worlds-biggest-wheat-exporting-countries-2011-4#1-usa-10



Germany will accept 800,000 Syrian refugees

Russia has not officially granted any Syrians asylum
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 04, 2015, 02:13:41 PM
QuoteThe wealthy Arab Gulf states not the only ones guilty of doing nothing during the Syrian refugee crisis:

Sorry, wrong again. The entire islamic world is the only guilty party re: islamic refugees



It's not Russia's problem nor is it the West's problem.



How about the islamic world for islamic refugees, Joey baby?



Then they can avoid being uncomfortable in non believer communities



and have a mosque on every corner



It couldn't get better, eh?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 04, 2015, 02:45:44 PM
Actually cc, I'm closer to ur pov than you think.



You once mention how msm obscures or hides the truth.

This story about Russia and the Gulf states not lifting a finger to accept any Syrian refugees highlights this reality.



I commented on this discrepancy in a blog of one of the msm's most prominent newspapers.



And they didn't print that comment.



I mean, what is this bullshit? Hide the truth from people.

Don't offend our friends the Saudis otherwise they'll cut our supply of oil off or raise its price?



Then the msm pushes this guilt trip on its own citizens....yet they're the ones who will end up footing the bill for the refugee crisis and carrying the burden of having to accept these refugees in their own communities.



I dont mind helping out, but I feel the current system is not balanced and many countries don't contribute and do their faire share.



Stephen harper is getting criticized and yet he's pledged to accept 20,000 syrian refugees.



Gulf states? 0. Russia? 0


Quote from: "cc la femme"
QuoteThe wealthy Arab Gulf states not the only ones guilty of doing nothing during the Syrian refugee crisis:

Sorry, wrong again. The entire islamic world is the only guilty party re: islamic refugees



It's not Russia's problem nor is it the West's problem.



How about the islamic world for islamic refugees, Joey baby?



Then they can avoid being uncomfortable in non believer communities



and have a mosque on every corner



It couldn't get better, eh?
Title: Re: Arab's comment on the lack of support from Saudi Arabia & other wealthy Gulf states in the Syrian Refugee crisis
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 02:46:03 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"
QuoteEven Arabs living in the wealthy Gulf states think they don't do enough to help Syrian Refugees

Bullshit Joe - Stupid thread is stupid



First - You quote [size=150]1[/size] person and then say "Even Arabs living in the wealthy Gulf states think they don't do enough " from that



Second - You do NOT post a creditable news site to support the inference that many feel that way



Third - Joe, there are several threads for this .. Fash please combine  (or delete) .. I'm sick of dipshit posting duplicate threads every time he has a thought, assuming it is a thought



You have now done the same selfish act on 2 forums Again, Again, Again,

I merged the two threads that were the same cc la femme.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 04, 2015, 02:48:51 PM
Thanks.



Although at the rate he makes new issue-repetitive threads you will never keep up.



He just does not care about anyone but himself
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 02:52:22 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Thanks.



Although at the rate he makes new issue-repetitive threads you will never keep up.



He just does not care about anyone but himself

I like new threads, but I can see your point..



Why have more than one thread about the exact same topic?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 04, 2015, 03:13:31 PM
Yes



New "fresh" threads, even "legitimate" new / very different angles of an existing issue,  make things go on a forum.



Threads based on a very thin nuance maquerading as a fresh take on  existing threads hurt a forum
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 03:26:08 PM
We do it to take in Syrian refugees? Think again.
QuoteISIS takes credit for inspiring terrorist attacks that killed two Canadian soldiers



The latest edition of the Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham propaganda magazine Dabiq, released Friday, described the killings by Michael Zehaf-Bibeau and Martin Couture-Rouleau, as well as similar attacks in Australia and New York.



It attributed all four incidents to an audio speech released a month earlier in which ISIS spokesman Abu Mohammad Al-Adnani incited supporters to kill Canadians, Americans, Australians and other members of the alliance.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/isis-takes-credit-for-inspiring-terrorist-attacks-that-killed-two-canadian-soldiers

We owe it to ourselves to kill Saudi-allied ISIS fighters, not bring in terrorists hiding among refugees.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"It's not Russia's problem nor is it the West's problem.

It is the West's problem. We bombed Libya and we're bombing Syria. We're arming and supporting "moderate" terrorists. We helped to create ISIS.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 03:35:25 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "cc la femme"It's not Russia's problem nor is it the West's problem.

It is the West's problem. We bombed Libya and we're bombing Syria. We're arming and supporting "moderate" terrorists. We helped to create ISIS.

They have fighters on our soil. They recruit on our soil. We are taking the fight to them, so we don't have to fight them here. Letting in people we don't know without fighting those sick animals will only increase their attacks here.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 03:43:45 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"They have fighters on our soil. They recruit on our soil. We are taking the fight to them, so we don't have to fight them here. Letting in people we don't know without fighting those sick animals will only increase their attacks here.

Too bad, because the Conservative right-wing government help create this crisis and it's the Conservative right-wing government that wants thousands of refugees to come here.



There will be plenty coming.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 05:18:59 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Shen Li"They have fighters on our soil. They recruit on our soil. We are taking the fight to them, so we don't have to fight them here. Letting in people we don't know without fighting those sick animals will only increase their attacks here.

Too bad, because the Conservative right-wing government help create this crisis and it's the Conservative right-wing government that wants thousands of refugees to come here.



There will be plenty coming.

Yes, the Conservatives and not the Saudis are backing ISIS. :laugh:  It was the Conservatives and not ISIS that called for attacks in Canada. It was the Conservatives and not the ISIS/Saudi Arabia who inspired the attacks on parliament and killing a soldier in Quebec. Lastly, it's Canada that takes in these Islamofascists hiding among refugees instead of their Saudi backers who created a mess of Syria.



FUCK ISLAM...this ideology creates death and destruction, but the West has to foot the bill for it.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 04, 2015, 07:25:00 PM
but, it does  bring the stupid  out in our resident prog  ac_smile
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
QuoteCanadian military predicted Libya would descend into civil war if foreign countries helped overthrow Gaddafi



Canadian military intelligence officers predicted in 2011 that Libya could descend into a lengthy civil war if foreign countries provided assistance to rebels opposing the country's dictator Muammar Gaddafi, according to documents obtained by the Ottawa Citizen.



The warning, made just days before several countries, including Canada, began their March 2011 bombing campaign against Gaddafi's regime, has unfolded as predicted.



Some officers in the Canadian Forces tried to raise concerns early on in the war that removing Gaddafi would play into the hands of Islamic extremists, but military sources say those warnings went unheeded. Later, military members would privately joke about Canada's CF-18s being part of "Al-Qaeda's air force," since their bombing runs helped to pave the way for rebel groups aligned with the terrorist group.



//http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/canadian-military-predicted-libya-would-descend-into-civil-war-if-foreign-countries-helped-rebels-overthrow-gaddafi
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on September 04, 2015, 08:14:27 PM
We must vote for Justin Trudeau or Brian Mulcair to save Canada from the Conseratives
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 04, 2015, 08:27:03 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Shen Li"They have fighters on our soil. They recruit on our soil. We are taking the fight to them, so we don't have to fight them here. Letting in people we don't know without fighting those sick animals will only increase their attacks here.

Too bad, because the Conservative right-wing government help create this crisis and it's the Conservative right-wing government that wants thousands of refugees to come here.



There will be plenty coming.


Is it possible you can set aside ideology, and address the facts?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 08:28:21 PM
Are South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia or even China accepting any refugees from Syria?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 08:31:40 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Is it possible you can set aside ideology, and address the facts?

Which facts? Like how bombing countries creates refugees?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 08:33:40 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"Are South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia or even China accepting any refugees from Syria?

It doesn't appear that any of them have considered it.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 04, 2015, 08:36:44 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Is it possible you can set aside ideology, and address the facts?

Which facts? Like how bombing countries creates refugees?


That several muslim nations are sitting idly by doing nothing to help their brethren...



 :001_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 08:38:58 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Fashionista"Are South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia or even China accepting any refugees from Syria?

It doesn't appear that any of them have considered it.

That's what I thought Romero..



Xenophobia is part of the culture in those countries..



We are having an emergency prayer meeting tomorrow in our church..



My heartfelt hope is we will find a way to sponsor some of those desperate people.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 04, 2015, 09:07:26 PM
And they call white nations "racist".



 :001_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 09:12:40 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"And they call white nations "racist".



 :001_rolleyes:

I admit East Asian countries are not in a position to judge anyone SPECTRE.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 04, 2015, 09:18:00 PM
Far from it. I've seen how they treat "guest workers".
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 09:29:13 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Far from it. I've seen how they treat "guest workers".

I've seen how foreign workers lived in Taiwan SPECTRE..



It's inexcusable for such a wealthy nation.

:sad:
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 09:38:07 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"That several muslim nations are sitting idly by doing nothing to help their brethren...



 :001_rolleyes:

I've mentioned that Muslim countries have taken in millions, but you're right about the selfish select. The wealthy Gulf States have been dishing out lots in aid, but they don't want anything to do with refugees. They prefer living in their opulent Fantasylands.



Forget Saudi Arabia. Fuck Saudi Arabia. They're bombing Yemen right now, creating a new wave of refugees. This is why the West is just as complicit. Those jets and bombs are made in the West.  


QuoteBetween October 2010 and October 2014, Washington and Riyadh reached more than $90 billion in weapons deals, according to a report published in January by the Congressional Research Service. The sales have included everything from war planes to armored vehicles, along with powerful missiles and bombs.



//https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/03/26/how-u-s-weapons-will-play-a-large-role-in-saudi-arabias-war-in-yemen/

Saudi Arabia needs to stop warmongering. We need to stop warmongering. This crisis is the inevitable result.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 04, 2015, 09:44:10 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Fashionista"Are South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia or even China accepting any refugees from Syria?

It doesn't appear that any of them have considered it.


...don't forget the Sultanate of Brunei:



 http://www.theodora.com/wfbcurrent/brunei/brunei_economy.html



The average per capita income there is $54,000 USD, making it one of the highest in the world.

(I wouldn't mind a $54,000 USD/$70,000 CDN annual income).



The Sultan of Brunei is also one of the world's wealthiest men.



And yet, there are no reports that Brunei, a Muslim nation, has accepted or is prepared to accept any refugees from the Middle East. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't  known of any refugees they've accepted.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 09:44:54 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"That's what I thought Romero..



Xenophobia is part of the culture in those countries..



We are having an emergency prayer meeting tomorrow in our church..



My heartfelt hope is we will find a way to sponsor some of those desperate people.

That's very good of you and your church, Fash!



I'd hate to think it's xenophobia but much of it is. Though I think the refugees would have a hard time in many of those countries anyway. The West is much better experienced.



I just read up a bit on Malaysia out of curiosity. Only hundreds of Syrians taken in so far. However, Malaysia is home to tens of thousands of refugees from Myanmar. They're not doing very well there.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Fashionista"Are South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia or even China accepting any refugees from Syria?

It doesn't appear that any of them have considered it.


...don't forget the Sultanate of Brunei:



 http://www.theodora.com/wfbcurrent/brunei/brunei_economy.html



The average per capita income there is $54,000 USD, making it one of the highest in the world.

(I wouldn't mind a $54,000 USD/$70,000 CDN annual income).



The Sultan of Brunei is also one of the world's wealthiest men.



And yet, there are no reports that Brunei, a Muslim nation, has accepted or is prepared to accept any refugees from the Middle East. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have known of any refugees they've accepted.

Thank you Frank..



You are right.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 04, 2015, 09:55:32 PM
I thought a good facebook page to start and allow others to 'Like' is "Wealthy Deadbeat Muslim Nations of the Middle East and Elsewhere that don't help out their own Kind." Then maybe they'd be embarassed to do something for their own people.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 09:56:44 PM
Quote from: "Frank"...don't forget the Sultanate of Brunei:



 http://www.theodora.com/wfbcurrent/brunei/brunei_economy.html



The average per capita income there is $54,000 USD, making it one of the highest in the world.

(I wouldn't mind a $54,000 USD/$70,000 CDN annual income).



The Sultan of Brunei is also one of the world's wealthiest men.



And yet, there are no reports that Brunei, a Muslim nation, has accepted or is prepared to accept any refugees from the Middle East. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have known of any refugees they've accepted.

I can't stand these Sultans, kings and princes who claim they're good religious people. They're nothing but a bunch of selfish, jet-setting playboys. Hugh Hefner has probably done more good than all of them combined.



I've read that some Bruneians are helping Syrian refugees, but I don't think His Royal Worthless could care less.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "Frank"...don't forget the Sultanate of Brunei:



 http://www.theodora.com/wfbcurrent/brunei/brunei_economy.html



The average per capita income there is $54,000 USD, making it one of the highest in the world.

(I wouldn't mind a $54,000 USD/$70,000 CDN annual income).



The Sultan of Brunei is also one of the world's wealthiest men.



And yet, there are no reports that Brunei, a Muslim nation, has accepted or is prepared to accept any refugees from the Middle East. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have known of any refugees they've accepted.

I can't stand these Sultans, kings and princes who claim they're good religious people. They're nothing but a bunch of selfish, jet-setting playboys. Hugh Hefner has probably done more good than all of them combined.



I've read that some Bruneians are helping Syrian refugees, but I don't think His Royal Worthless could care less.

I 've read the Brunei princes like alcohol, drugs, and sex, but not helping people in desperate need..



Taiwan is wealthy too, but what have we done?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 10:16:44 PM
I think we may have to give Taiwan a pass on this one! There are refugees from Vietnam and political refugees from China.



Taiwan is already pretty densely populated, and it's tough to join international agreements due to its disputed status as a nation.



I do know there are a lot of good human rights organizations there.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 10:47:38 PM
Quote from: "Romero"I think we may have to give Taiwan a pass on this one! There are refugees from Vietnam and political refugees from China.



Taiwan is already pretty densely populated, and it's tough to join international agreements due to its disputed status as a nation.



I do know there are a lot of good human rights organizations there.

Taiwan does not deserve a pass..



It's entry rules are leftover from a dictator who hated everyone who was not Chinese..



My husband's home country, Holland is densely populated too, but they have put humanitarianism ahead of xenophobia.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 11:16:33 PM
I respect your opinion! I don't know much about the politics. Taiwan has had a wild history.



So many have used the good island for personal and nationalistic gain. It's been constantly pulled at from all sides.



Mostly good people though! They deserve so much better.



You're absolutely right. It's the answer to this thread. We all need to put humanitarianism ahead of xenophobia.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 11:21:57 PM
Quote from: "Romero"I respect your opinion! I don't know much about the politics. Taiwan has had a wild history.



So many have used the good island for personal and nationalistic gain. It's been constantly pulled at from all sides.



Mostly good people though! They deserve so much better.



You're absolutely right. It's the answer to this thread. We all need to put humanitarianism ahead of xenophobia.

That is so true Romero..



I know Taiwan will not change it's racist ways in the immediate future, but Canada and especially the United States need to do more.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 11:39:43 PM
We need to do more not bombing them and stuff. Whether it's us, the US or UK or Saudi Arabia or ISIS, innocent people are going to have no other choice but to flee their homes and livelihoods. Horrors the most of us couldn't possibly understand.



The warmongers of the West and the terrorists of ISIS are practically walking arm in arm. Step by step. The only thoughts they ever have are of taking over and killing. Bombs and bullets flying like there's no tomorrow. It only ends up being no tomorrow for the good and innocent.



We need to ally ourselves with only those who are committed to peace. There are no "moderate" soldiers. There are no "patriotic" arms manufacturers.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 11:44:00 PM
Quote from: "Romero"We need to do more not bombing them and stuff. Whether it's us, the US or UK or Saudi Arabia or ISIS, innocent people are going to have no other choice but to flee their homes and livelihoods. Horrors the most of us couldn't possibly understand.



The warmongers of the West and the terrorists of ISIS are practically walking arm in arm. Step by step. The only thoughts they ever have are of taking over and killing. Bombs and bullets flying like there's no tomorrow. It only ends up being no tomorrow for the good and innocent in the way.



We need to ally ourselves with only those who are committed to peace. There are no "moderate" soldiers. There are no "patriotic" arms manufacturers.

The politics I do not care about..



Wealthy nations in the West and especially the East are not doing enough..



People are dying, let's do what we can.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 04, 2015, 11:49:23 PM
We need to do more and many of us will! This is another test of humanity. We shall welcome others with open arms, but we need to figure out how to make them safe in the first place.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2015, 11:57:32 PM
Quote from: "Romero"We need to do more and many of us will! This is another test of humanity. We shall welcome others with open arms, but we need to figure out how to make them safe in the first place.

I have so little faith in elected governments in any country to do what is right.

 ac_unsure
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 05, 2015, 01:00:28 AM
QuoteA Reminder That A Syrian Migrant's Son Gave Us The iPhone



A Hungary ruled by right-wing Prime Minister Viktor Orban doesn't deserve to produce the next iPhone.



The populist leader has spewed viciously xenophobic and anti-Muslim rhetoric as migrants -- many of whom escaped violence in Syria -- amass in Hungary, a way station on the route to Germany. This, even as the world reels from the photo of Syrian toddler Aylan Kurdi's drowned body, cradled in the arms of a Turkish police officer. The gut-wrenching image only served to illustrate the desperate odds refugees face while trying to escape war at home.



Still, Orban is not alone.



In Greece, masked gunmen attack boats of migrants, attempting to prevent them from reaching the shores of the European Union. Even in Germany, where the government has taken in a record 800,000 refugees, a surge in neo-Nazi attacks on migrants have rocked the country.



Images of people leaving a Hungarian railway station on Friday to travel to Austria on foot demonstrate rich nations' reluctance to provide safe havens to those lucky enough to set foot in a stable country.



But, lest we forget, one of the men who most dramatically impacted human civilization in the last decade was the son of a Syrian who migrated to the U.S. in 1954.



Perhaps you've heard of him. His name was Steve Jobs.



//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/syrian-migrants-son-steve-jobs_55e9d5cee4b002d5c075ec83?utm_hp_ref=canada&ir=Canada&section=canada&adsSiteOverride=ca
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: RW on September 05, 2015, 01:03:18 AM
Wtf does that have to do with the issue Romero?  Consider taking up salmon fishing because your red herring is getting tiresome.



The point of this thread is why aren't Muslim countries taking in Muslim refugees?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 05, 2015, 01:41:48 AM
Many Muslim countries are taking in millions. Some Muslim countries are not. Those that aren't are mainly our "allies".



Why are we bombing Muslim countries and supporting their terrorists? Why are we creating refugees?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 05, 2015, 02:47:39 AM
Quote from: "Romero"Many Muslim countries are taking in millions. Some Muslim countries are not. Those that aren't are mainly our "allies".



Why are we bombing Muslim countries and supporting their terrorists? Why are we creating refugees?


This is a fair question...bombing who to help who?



There is no strategy, or objective. Let's bomb them and let someone else sort it out.



If ISIS is to be stopped, Syria's "loathsome" government must be part of the solution. Can the west acknowledge Assad's leadership?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 05, 2015, 01:29:33 PM
Meanwhile,



"The 5 Wealthiest Muslim Countries Refuse To Accept Refugees From Syria,



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[size=130]Cite Risk Of Exposure To Terrorism As Reason"[/size]



[size=150]HEEHAW!![/size]
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 05, 2015, 05:11:09 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Meanwhile,



"The 5 Wealthiest Muslim Countries Refuse To Accept Refugees From Syria,



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[size=130]Cite Risk Of Exposure To Terrorism As Reason"[/size]



[size=150]HEEHAW!![/size]


...and yet if Europeans and North Americans say the same thing, they're branded as racists and xenophobes.



These nations can't even control their own people even though they worship the same religion, speak the same language and are ethnically/racially the same people - arab muslims
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 05, 2015, 05:12:45 PM
Quote from: "Frank"
Quote from: "cc la femme"Meanwhile,



"The 5 Wealthiest Muslim Countries Refuse To Accept Refugees From Syria,



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[size=130]Cite Risk Of Exposure To Terrorism As Reason"[/size]



[size=150]HEEHAW!![/size]


...and yet if Europeans and North Americans say the same thing, they're branded as racists and xenophobes.



These nations can't even control their own people even though they worship the same religion, speak the same language and are ethnically/racially the same people - arab muslims

That's no excuse for us not to open our borders.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 05, 2015, 08:29:38 PM
Graphic indicating which Middle Eastern nations have accepted Syrian refugees & those which have not:



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Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Frood on September 05, 2015, 09:55:43 PM
It may be a tad inconsiderate but it's smart of them not to accept refugees.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 05, 2015, 10:39:23 PM
The point is it highlights the hypocrisy of islam...and indeed all religion.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 05, 2015, 11:18:49 PM
Finally...an article from the mainstream media, asking the question that ordinary Joes and the man in the street are:



Why certain Muslim nations do not accept Syrian refugees, this one in the Washington Post.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/09/04/the-arab-worlds-wealthiest-nations-are-doing-next-to-nothing-for-syrias-refugees/



...I guess when the bullshit stinks too much and is too large to hide, the lie is to great, people begin to demand answers.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 06, 2015, 09:09:50 PM
Exactly.



So much for the virtues of islam.



Just as hypocritical as every other religion.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 09:15:53 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"It may be a tad inconsiderate but it's smart of them not to accept refugees.

Not to accept refugees?



You are not serious Dinky Diana?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 09:22:07 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"It may be a tad inconsiderate but it's smart of them not to accept refugees.

Not to accept refugees?



You are not serious Dinky Diana?


Islamic State people are bragging about planting thousands of infiltrators within the refugee swell throughout Europe.



While inhumane for the vast majority of decent refugees to be refused by Middle Eastern border states, it's strategically strong of countries like Saudi Arabia to cut insurgency off at the legs by refusing entry. Not saying it's right, Fash. Only smart.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 09:45:39 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"It may be a tad inconsiderate but it's smart of them not to accept refugees.

Not to accept refugees?



You are not serious Dinky Diana?


Islamic State people are bragging about planting thousands of infiltrators within the refugee swell throughout Europe.



While inhumane for the vast majority of decent refugees to be refused by Middle Eastern border states, it's strategically strong of countries like Saudi Arabia to cut insurgency off at the legs by refusing entry. Not saying it's right, Fash. Only smart.

People are escaping horror like you and I cannot comprehend..



Let those people in and now.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 06, 2015, 09:53:08 PM
.....but you do realize that much of the funding for al qaida and its successor, ISIS, came from Saudi Arabia

, don't you?



So little wonder they don't want to face the potential monster of terroists who are getting let into Europe and other places.



Its the monster the Saudis and the Gulf States helped to fund and create.


Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"It may be a tad inconsiderate but it's smart of them not to accept refugees.

Not to accept refugees?



You are not serious Dinky Diana?


Islamic State people are bragging about planting thousands of infiltrators within the refugee swell throughout Europe.



While inhumane for the vast majority of decent refugees to be refused by Middle Eastern border states, it's strategically strong of countries like Saudi Arabia to cut insurgency off at the legs by refusing entry. Not saying it's right, Fash. Only smart.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 09:56:58 PM
I don't care about the politics Frank..



People are escaping unimaginable tyranny..



We must help them.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 06, 2015, 10:23:27 PM
But this is a tyranny of their own making.



How many arab/muslim nations are truly free and democratic?



Perhaps Turkey, which aligns itself more with the West than the Middle East. Otherwise, the remainder are monarchies or tyrannies. some may argue there is no difference.



This is a muslim problem. When catastrophes occur in the West, do we pour into Arabia seeking help? No.



But when their states collapse, they run to all corners of the globe, demanding asylum from the very countries they and their mullahs and governments have been abusing and decrying for centuries.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 10:57:39 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"But this is a tyranny of their own making.



How many arab/muslim nations are truly free and democratic?



Perhaps Turkey, which aligns itself more with the West than the Middle East. Otherwise, the remainder are monarchies or tyrannies. some may argue there is no difference.



This is a muslim problem. When catastrophes occur in the West, do we pour into Arabia seeking help? No.



But when their states collapse, they run to all corners of the globe, demanding asylum from the very countries they and their mullahs and governments have been abusing and decrying for centuries.

I don't care about their internal politics SPECTRE..



People are suffering or worse and we can help.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 06, 2015, 11:21:55 PM
Oh? And what about 100s of millions of Africans that have it even worse ... and for their entire lifespan? They deserve help a lot more.



They are not "in" and "in vogue" like Arabs who are in the press every day now.



As to the Arab states, atheists and any religion other than supremacist islam I could go for.



Followers of ANY supremacist ideology such as islam, no!!!!
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 11:57:56 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Oh? And what about 100s of millions of Africans that have it even worse ... and for their entire lifespan? They deserve help a lot more.



They are not "in" and "in vogue" like Arabs who are in the press every day now.



As to the Arab states, atheists and any religion other than supremacist islam I could go for.



Followers of ANY supremacist ideology, no!!!!

They are living under ISIS or Bashar..



They need our help..



Please oh please let's do so much more.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 07, 2015, 12:06:39 AM
The USA created much of the problem by destabilizing Syria , yet have thus far accepted only 1500 Syrian refugees.

Believe it or not, Brazil, which has had nothing to do with the conflict has accepted more than the Americans at 2000.



So the ones who did the most damage to the region, seem to accept the least amount of the responsibility for their actions.  I think we're all being played for suckers by nations like the USA, their corporate interests, and of course their propoganda machine, the mainstream media. They're offloading the problem on the people of Europe, Canada and other nations to carry the burden they don't want.



And of course its convenient to tell the EU to do it, because if Obama told Americans they had to accept 500,000 refugees there would be a national outrage, and it would be unacceptable to the USA.



And the Americans don't dare raise this issue with the Saudis, otherwise it would offend them & America wanrs cheap oil. Anything to upset this cozy arrangement. Mustn't offend the Saudis, otherwise they might cut production and riase the price of oil.


Quote from: "SPECTRE"But this is a tyranny of their own making.



How many arab/muslim nations are truly free and democratic?



Perhaps Turkey, which aligns itself more with the West than the Middle East. Otherwise, the remainder are monarchies or tyrannies. some may argue there is no difference.



This is a muslim problem. When catastrophes occur in the West, do we pour into Arabia seeking help? No.



But when their states collapse, they run to all corners of the globe, demanding asylum from the very countries they and their mullahs and governments have been abusing and decrying for centuries.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 12:13:30 AM
Quote from: "Frank"The USA created much of the problem by destabilizing Syria , yet have thus far accepted only 1500 Syrian refugees.

Believe it or not, Brazil, which has had nothing to do with the conflict has accepted more than the Americans at 2000.



So the ones who did the most damage to the region, seem to accept the least amount of the responsibility for their And of course its convenient to tell the EU to do it, because if Obama told Americans they had to accept 500,000 refugees there would be a national outrage, and it would be unacceptable to the USA.actions.  I think we're all being played for suckers by nations like the USA, their corporate interests, and of course their propoganda machine, the mainstream media. They're offloading the problem on the people of Europe, Canada and other nations to carry the burden they don't want.







And the Americans don't dare raise this issue with the Saudis, otherwise it would offend them & America wanrs cheap oil. Anything to upset this cozy arrangement. Mustn't offend the Saudis, otherwise they might cut production and riase the price of oil.


Quote from: "SPECTRE"But this is a tyranny of their own making.



How many arab/muslim nations are truly free and democratic?



Perhaps Turkey, which aligns itself more with the West than the Middle East. Otherwise, the remainder are monarchies or tyrannies. some may argue there is no difference.



This is a muslim problem. When catastrophes occur in the West, do we pour into Arabia seeking help? No.



But when their states collapse, they run to all corners of the globe, demanding asylum from the very countries they and their mullahs and governments have been abusing and decrying for centuries.

| don't care about the politics of who is responsible..



People are dying and we can help.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 07, 2015, 12:33:17 AM
To be frank (or joe  ac_smile ), nor do you appear to care about the survival of our society
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 07, 2015, 03:54:39 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"


People are suffering or worse and we can help.


While their own people stand by and do nothing?



Why must we clean up their mess??
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 07, 2015, 06:40:03 AM
I was wondering about the same thing.



How come the msm pushes the need for Western nations to accept Syrian refugees:



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/canada-needs-to-do-more-for-syrian-refugees-and-do-it-quickly/article26227699/?service=mobile



.........but not from African nations?



Why not Ethiopia, whose starving masses were in the millions back in the 80s? Or millions of Rwandans? Or Darfuf? Or even Haiti las decade? But suddenly....we MUST accept Syrian refugees! And they seem to come from out of nowhere - first a trickle land on some island in Greece, and then a tidal wave, a mass of them are headed for Europe.



It seems a bit too orchestrated, set up. And as you point out, a case of selective refugee processing. We don't want those ones from Africa, but we (Europe/Canada but not the United States) must accept these from the oil rich regions the major Western powers happen to be waging a war in.



I think the nations doing the accepting, their people, are being played, used as pawns by a ruling elite and their propaganda machine, the msm.






Quote from: "cc la femme"Oh? And what about 100s of millions of Africans that have it even worse ... and for their entire lifespan? They deserve help a lot more.



They are not "in" and "in vogue" like Arabs who are in the press every day now.



As to the Arab states, atheists and any religion other than supremacist islam I could go for.



Followers of ANY supremacist ideology such as islam, no!!!!
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 07, 2015, 08:50:41 AM
Agreed almost totally on refugee points, but one thing sticks in my craw.
QuoteThe USA created much of the problem by destabilizing Syria
The USA and any  of the West did NOT destabilize Syria. Rabid Sunni islamicsts rebelled against Assad and started 4 years of hell and the killing of Shi'a civilians  with no help from us. While they requested help,  little if any was given, certainly not enough to change the path of these  rabid Sunni islamicsts killing Shi'a civilians and  Assad in return  killing Sunni civilians. Helping them to any extent would have been stupid and useless.



We are not waging a war in Syria today. That is a gross overstatement. The most we are doing is to pin prick the HUGE  civilian killing machines of IS, Al Q, Al Nusra that are recruiting people here to join them and encouraging others here to  hate us while Assad continues killing them and civilians  on a HUGE scale .. . and now Iranian Al Quds have joined in to make more killing of Sunnis in Iraq ans soon in Syria.



We could not affect the old self-perpetuating Sunni / Shi'a thing that has gone on from day one if we wanted to, neither to accelerate it nor to stop it, in Syria or anywhere. islam is islam.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 11:01:41 AM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Agreed almost totally on refugee points, but one thing sticks in my craw.
QuoteThe USA created much of the problem by destabilizing Syria
The USA and any  of the West did NOT destabilize Syria. Rabid Sunni islamicsts rebelled against Assad and started 4 years of hell and the killing of Shi'a civilians  with no help from us. While they requested help,  little if any was given, certainly not enough to change the path of these  rabid Sunni islamicsts killing Shi'a civilians and  Assad in return  killing Sunni civilians. Helping them to any extent would have been stupid and useless.


 ac_lmfao



Where do you think those rebellious Syrians got their armaments and training from, CC?


QuoteWe are not waging a war in Syria today. That is a gross overstatement. The most we are doing is to pin prick the HUGE  civilian killing machines of IS, Al Q, Al Nusra that are recruiting people here to join them and encouraging others here to  hate us while Assad continues killing them and civilians  on a HUGE scale .. . and now Iranian Al Quds have joined in to make more killing of Sunnis in Iraq ans soon in Syria.





We could not affect the old self-perpetuating Sunni / Shi'a thing that has gone on from day one if we wanted to, neither to accelerate it nor to stop it, in Syria or anywhere. islam is islam.




Your mind is such a terrible thing to waste.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 12:05:08 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Agreed almost totally on refugee points, but one thing sticks in my craw.
QuoteThe USA created much of the problem by destabilizing Syria
The USA and any  of the West did NOT destabilize Syria. Rabid Sunni islamicsts rebelled against Assad and started 4 years of hell and the killing of Shi'a civilians  with no help from us. While they requested help,  little if any was given, certainly not enough to change the path of these  rabid Sunni islamicsts killing Shi'a civilians and  Assad in return  killing Sunni civilians. Helping them to any extent would have been stupid and useless.



We are not waging a war in Syria today. That is a gross overstatement. The most we are doing is to pin prick the HUGE  civilian killing machines of IS, Al Q, Al Nusra that are recruiting people here to join them and encouraging others here to  hate us while Assad continues killing them and civilians  on a HUGE scale .. . and now Iranian Al Quds have joined in to make more killing of Sunnis in Iraq ans soon in Syria.



We could not affect the old self-perpetuating Sunni / Shi'a thing that has gone on from day one if we wanted to, neither to accelerate it nor to stop it, in Syria or anywhere. islam is islam.

I find the politics of the situation in Syria confusing..



What are Iranian Al Quds cc la femme?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 07, 2015, 12:41:41 PM
Special forces of Iran's Revolutionary Guards



Iran has been sending troops to help Shi'a since the beginning of it all
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 07, 2015, 12:45:25 PM
Errr . Dinky ... We are bombing Syria's Sunni enemy . errr ....including Al Nusra who started it all
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 12:47:35 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Special forces of Iran's Revolutionary Guards



Iran has been sending troops to help Shi'a since the beginning of it all

Isn't Iran doing a lot of the heavy lifting in the fight against ISIS?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 07, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
Most of it. Without them interfering, Sh'ia of Iraq would be Sunni dinner ... in Basra
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 12:56:08 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Most of it. Without them interfering, Sh'ia of Iraq would be Sunni dinner ... in Basra

We can not defeat ISIS without boots on the ground. Maybe Iran will supply that.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 07, 2015, 03:24:26 PM
You may be partially right in your description of how the events unfolfed.

However I don't believe the USA & other major powers didn't have a hand in destabilizing the place through their meddling. Seems like they played warring factions off against each other & when things didn't go according to plan, they needed a plan B.



I can imagine Barrack & Company phoning up the Chancellor of Germany & asking for a favor:



"Oh Angie, can I ask you for a small favor? You see things aren't exactly going to plan in the Syrian Theatr, so can I ask you for a small favor? Can you accept around 800,000 refugees from that country? You see, our country doesn't want them, and I couldn't possibly ask our own country to accept them given the current climate of Islamaphobia, so can you do it? I know you have a much longer history dealing with these refugees, going back to the Turks, the Arabs, whatnot......you will? Oh gee thanks Angie. I'll call Bob at the Associated Press and Harry at Reuters to send out a dispatch that you'll be doing the accepting. And we'll ask our friends the Canadians if they'll pitch in too. Thanks again, Anj."






Quote from: "cc la femme"Agreed almost totally on refugee points, but one thing sticks in my craw.
QuoteThe USA created much of the problem by destabilizing Syria
The USA and any  of the West did NOT destabilize Syria. Rabid Sunni islamicsts rebelled against Assad and started 4 years of hell and the killing of Shi'a civilians  with no help from us. While they requested help,  little if any was given, certainly not enough to change the path of these  rabid Sunni islamicsts killing Shi'a civilians and  Assad in return  killing Sunni civilians. Helping them to any extent would have been stupid and useless.



We are not waging a war in Syria today. That is a gross overstatement. The most we are doing is to pin prick the HUGE  civilian killing machines of IS, Al Q, Al Nusra that are recruiting people here to join them and encouraging others here to  hate us while Assad continues killing them and civilians  on a HUGE scale .. . and now Iranian Al Quds have joined in to make more killing of Sunnis in Iraq ans soon in Syria.



We could not affect the old self-perpetuating Sunni / Shi'a thing that has gone on from day one if we wanted to, neither to accelerate it nor to stop it, in Syria or anywhere. islam is islam.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 07, 2015, 03:28:56 PM
QuoteThe USA and any of the West did NOT destabilize Syria. Rabid Sunni islamicsts rebelled against Assad and started 4 years of hell and the killing of Shi'a civilians with no help from us. While they requested help, little if any was given, certainly not enough to change the path of these rabid Sunni islamicsts killing Shi'a civilians and Assad in return killing Sunni civilians. Helping them to any extent would have been stupid and useless.



We are not waging a war in Syria today. That is a gross overstatement. The most we are doing is to pin prick the HUGE civilian killing machines of IS, Al Q, Al Nusra that are recruiting people here to join them and encouraging others here to hate us while Assad continues killing them and civilians on a HUGE scale .. . and now Iranian Al Quds have joined in to make more killing of Sunnis in Iraq and  in Syria.



We could not affect the old self-perpetuating Sunni / Shi'a thing that has gone on from day one if we wanted to, neither to accelerate it nor to stop it, in Syria or anywhere. islam is islam.
Quote.... I don't believe ....



... I can imagine .....

Don't quite cut it as facts, mate
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 03:31:42 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Errr . Dinky ... We are bombing Syria's Sunni enemy . errr ....including Al Nusra who started it all


This goes back decades, CC, and leads back to the West's pet projects. They can keep changing names but the real culprits will be remembered in the history books.





Stop watching the 6 pm news. It's not good for your brain.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 03:37:15 PM
Quote from: "Frank"You may be partially right in your description of how the events unfolfed.

However I don't believe the USA & other major powers didn't have a hand in destabilizing the place through their meddling. Seems like they played warring factions off against each other & when things didn't go according to plan, they needed a plan B.



I can imagine Barrack & Company phoning up the Chancellor of Germany & asking for a favor:



"Oh Angie, can I ask you for a small favor? You see things aren't exactly going to plan in the Syrian Theatr, so can I ask you for a small favor? Can you accept around 800,000 refugees from that country? You see, our country doesn't want them, and I couldn't possibly ask our own country to accept them given the current climate of Islamaphobia, so can you do it? I know you have a much longer history dealing with these refugees, going back to the Turks, the Arabs, whatnot......you will? Oh gee thanks Angie. I'll call Bob at the Associated Press and Harry at Reuters to send out a dispatch that you'll be doing the accepting. And we'll ask our friends the Canadians if they'll pitch in too. Thanks again, Anj."






Quote from: "cc la femme"Agreed almost totally on refugee points, but one thing sticks in my craw.
QuoteThe USA created much of the problem by destabilizing Syria
The USA and any  of the West did NOT destabilize Syria. Rabid Sunni islamicsts rebelled against Assad and started 4 years of hell and the killing of Shi'a civilians  with no help from us. While they requested help,  little if any was given, certainly not enough to change the path of these  rabid Sunni islamicsts killing Shi'a civilians and  Assad in return  killing Sunni civilians. Helping them to any extent would have been stupid and useless.



We are not waging a war in Syria today. That is a gross overstatement. The most we are doing is to pin prick the HUGE  civilian killing machines of IS, Al Q, Al Nusra that are recruiting people here to join them and encouraging others here to  hate us while Assad continues killing them and civilians  on a HUGE scale .. . and now Iranian Al Quds have joined in to make more killing of Sunnis in Iraq ans soon in Syria.



We could not affect the old self-perpetuating Sunni / Shi'a thing that has gone on from day one if we wanted to, neither to accelerate it nor to stop it, in Syria or anywhere. islam is islam.

Are oil rich Gulf nations Islamophobic too?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 07, 2015, 03:56:25 PM
Selective Islamophobia



 ac_smile
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Selective Islamophobia



 ac_smile

It seems so strange that Arabic speaking, Muslim nations are not providing refuge to fellow Arabic speaking, Muslims. That would be like Korea slamming the door shut on Koreans if that nation were to collapse.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 07, 2015, 07:43:22 PM
Actually, it's not surprising at all. It's islam



1. To be blunt, individuals have no significance whatsoever beyond helping the overall objectives of islam .. as clearly demonstrated by those countries during this upheaval.



2. The only way, and especially the richer states, it cares about its people is "in the service of" islam. Filling the West, spreading followers everywhere in the world suits islam's supremacist & proselytizing objectives ....  the 2 KEY objectives at the very core of the ideology.



3. To islam, there are not countries. It discourages caring about the country of residence such that only worldwide islam is of significance.



One might want to consider those elements of it in importing its followers
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 07:58:19 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Actually, it's not surprising at all. It's islam



1. To be blunt, individuals have no significance whatsoever beyond helping the overall objectives of islam .. as clearly demonstrated by those countries during this upheaval.



2. The only way, and especially the richer states, it cares about its people is "in the service of" islam. Filling the West, spreading followers everywhere in the world suits islam's supremacist & proselytizing objectives ....  the 2 KEY objectives at the very core of the ideology.



3. To islam, there are not countries. It discourages caring about the country of residence such that only worldwide islam is of significance.



One might want to consider those elements of it in importing its followers

But, Syrian refugees are not spreading anything..



They are escaping a horrific government and a terror organization.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 07, 2015, 09:33:47 PM
except islam ... Oh, and islam's  ways, harsh misogyny, etc.  etc.

 

it all goes with the package



For years the rich Arab states have paid to facilitate the spread of islam

 Now they are getting it  done free.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 09:48:25 PM
We need to prepare ourselves for a lot more of the same. ISIS controls large swaths of Syria and Iraq. That could and likely will grow throughout the region. We are fucked.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 07, 2015, 09:54:25 PM
Well, not fk'd, but iSIS has already spread big time to Libya, Sinai, Afghanistan etc.



It recruits here quite successfully and now will have us just bring a lot more of it here among the refugees.

That's a no-brainer and now we will  make it so easy for them to come here
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 10:05:33 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Well, not fk'd, but iSIS has already spread big time to Libya, Sinai, Afghanistan etc.



It recruits here quite successfully and now will have us just bring a lot more of it here among the refugees.

That's a no-brainer and now we will  make it so easy for them to come here

We will have to deal with an ISIS government in the future. That will be interesting. I agree letting in all those fifth columnists among the refugees is pure madness.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 07, 2015, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"Why don't YOU let the Syrian and Libyan refugees into your MUSLIM countries.



Doesn't Allah tell you you must care for your brothers and sisters?



Why are they going to Europe, when their are perfectly good and wealthy islamic nations nearby that are more aligned with your religion and culture?



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34132308

Because they would rather seek the help of the charitable Christians knowing their Muslim brothers will have no love for them. It's tribe against tribe for them.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 08, 2015, 04:31:35 AM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"


Where do you think those rebellious Syrians got their armaments and training from, CC?


How about you tell us, dingo dung.



With appropriate references in support.



Here, let me help.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_equipment_used_by_Syrian_opposition_forces
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Frood on September 08, 2015, 11:13:34 AM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"


Where do you think those rebellious Syrians got their armaments and training from, CC?


How about you tell us, dingo dung.



With appropriate references in support.



Here, let me help.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_equipment_used_by_Syrian_opposition_forces


Mind your manners, Spectre. We can always sling shit at each other in the flamer section.



On this topic it's been said from mainstream sources such as retired generals Wesley Clark, Thomas McInerney, and independent or somewhat independent US politicians like the Paul's, former higher ranked civil servants such as Paul Craig Roberts, plus a whole slew of alternative news sources (some more esteemed than others).



There is a clear trail of weaponry, training, and transportation from Benghazi eastward then south through Northern Iraq where mother lodes by the locals were simply abandoned for immediate collection.  



The West has been playing dirty pool against itself and we civilians in it.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 08, 2015, 11:10:36 PM
Oh, Surprise, Surprise (//http)



How hundreds of Muslim migrants are converting to Christianity to boost their chances of winning asylum in Germany

Iranian and Afghan asylum seekers are taking three-month crash courses



Converting allows them to claim they would face persecution if sent home
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 08, 2015, 11:17:40 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"


Where do you think those rebellious Syrians got their armaments and training from, CC?


How about you tell us, dingo dung.



With appropriate references in support.



Here, let me help.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_equipment_used_by_Syrian_opposition_forces


Mind your manners, Spectre. We can always sling shit at each other in the flamer section.



On this topic it's been said from mainstream sources such as retired generals Wesley Clark, Thomas McInerney, and independent or somewhat independent US politicians like the Paul's, former higher ranked civil servants such as Paul Craig Roberts, plus a whole slew of alternative news sources (some more esteemed than others).



There is a clear trail of weaponry, training, and transportation from Benghazi eastward then south through Northern Iraq where mother lodes by the locals were simply abandoned for immediate collection.  



The West has been playing dirty pool against itself and we civilians in it.


"Its been said" is not a valid reference...although its commonly held that ISIS has simply commandeered American military equipment when Iraqi's fought with their usual lack of valour and fortitude. "Haha...look, Mansour...an American tank abandoned by the Iraqi soldiers!"



"Inshallah, Mohammed...and its hardly been used."



Nonetheless, most of their weaponry is from...tadaaa....Russia and China. Paid for by Saudi oil money.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 08, 2015, 11:18:26 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Oh, Surprise, Surprise (//http)



How hundreds of Muslim migrants are converting to Christianity to boost their chances of winning asylum in Germany

Iranian and Afghan asylum seekers are taking three-month crash courses



Converting allows them to claim they would face persecution if sent home


Such is the duplicity and conniving of the arab.



What's new?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 09, 2015, 12:45:29 AM
Nothing new. Was quite predictable in fact



as was Pakis and Iranis, not on the the current "sympathy list" ditching passports & ID and claiming to be ... can you guess? .. it starts with "S"
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 01:40:31 AM
STUPID???



It just amazes me how our governments listen to the leftards screaming "let em in...let em in", and then when the bombs go off, those same leftards scream "its all your fault, its all your fault...".
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Frood on September 09, 2015, 03:55:25 AM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"


Where do you think those rebellious Syrians got their armaments and training from, CC?


How about you tell us, dingo dung.



With appropriate references in support.



Here, let me help.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_equipment_used_by_Syrian_opposition_forces


Mind your manners, Spectre. We can always sling shit at each other in the flamer section.



On this topic it's been said from mainstream sources such as retired generals Wesley Clark, Thomas McInerney, and independent or somewhat independent US politicians like the Paul's, former higher ranked civil servants such as Paul Craig Roberts, plus a whole slew of alternative news sources (some more esteemed than others).



There is a clear trail of weaponry, training, and transportation from Benghazi eastward then south through Northern Iraq where mother lodes by the locals were simply abandoned for immediate collection.  



The West has been playing dirty pool against itself and we civilians in it.


"Its been said" is not a valid reference...although its commonly held that ISIS has simply commandeered American military equipment when Iraqi's fought with their usual lack of valour and fortitude. "Haha...look, Mansour...an American tank abandoned by the Iraqi soldiers!"



"Inshallah, Mohammed...and its hardly been used."



Nonetheless, most of their weaponry is from...tadaaa....Russia and China. Paid for by Saudi oil money.


Commandeered after getting handed free weapons, training, and transport by the West through Libyan ops.



Where the gear was manufactured is irrelevant since the region leans towards the same specs.



ISIL is a hand reared Western boogeyman who were given Syria and Northern Iraq.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2015, 05:17:29 AM
Quote from: "cc la femme"Oh, Surprise, Surprise (//http)



How hundreds of Muslim migrants are converting to Christianity to boost their chances of winning asylum in Germany

Iranian and Afghan asylum seekers are taking three-month crash courses



Converting allows them to claim they would face persecution if sent home

This gives ammunition to those who do not want us to receive more Middle Eastern refugees.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 06:45:53 AM
Why?



Because its the truth???
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 09, 2015, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "cc la femme"Oh, Surprise, Surprise (//http)



How hundreds of Muslim migrants are converting to Christianity to boost their chances of winning asylum in Germany

Iranian and Afghan asylum seekers are taking three-month crash courses



Converting allows them to claim they would face persecution if sent home

This gives ammunition to those who do not want us to receive more Middle Eastern refugees.

Yes. it shows some (and just some) of the tricks being used



Afghans and Iraqis (3/4 males) are mysteriously  ac_smile loosing their passports and ID's
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 09, 2015, 11:57:01 AM
Well, Surprise Surprise



LIKE .... SMELL THE COFFEE FOLKS!!
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 09, 2015, 12:20:23 PM
^^



So, we need all these type of men who will leave behind their families ... and who just happen to mainly be military  and / or Jihadi age   :sneaky2:





Supporters of this self-suicidal cause please explain and justify what you are advocating!!



Oh, and please explain why these men are not home fighting for their country





They FOR SURE DIDN'T leave  to bring their children & women - whom it is obvious mostly got left behind in Syria
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on September 09, 2015, 02:55:55 PM
We must take tin all these people who so desperately want ot live in the west.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2015, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"We must take tin all these people who so desperately want ot live in the west.

Isn't that right out of the Justin Trudeau platform? I think you'll find it under putting Canadians last. Maybe it was screwing Canadians over by sucking up to the Muslim vote. It was one of the two.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 10, 2015, 02:00:51 PM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"We must take tin all these people who so desperately want ot live in the west.

Isn't that right out of the Justin Trudeau platform? I think you'll find it under putting Canadians last. Maybe it was screwing Canadians over by sucking up to the Muslim vote. It was one of the two.


Yeah, our politicians are so concerned about finding homes and jobs for the refugees, but then they don't do anything for citizens born in Canada.



But there are so many homeless living on our streets, people living in poverty in this country.

Young people without jobs. Affordable housing for many is out of reach.

Older Canadians without jobs or are else underemployed.

Our benefits get cut back because governments tell us, "Sorry, there isn't enough money."



Shouldn't Canadians get the help first?



I'd put the refugees last.



And if they really want to come here, then they have to spend 7 years in places like Regina, Winnipeg or Fort Mac. No cushy welcome to places like Toronto or balmy Vancouver.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 10, 2015, 07:36:25 PM
This is yet another Arabian con.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2015, 10:54:53 PM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"This is yet another Arabian con.

I can tell you from working and living in the Mid East that everything there or from there is a con.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Romero on September 11, 2015, 12:25:40 AM
QuoteA Refugee Crisis Made in America



Will the U.S. accept responsibility for the humanitarian consequences of Washington-manufactured wars?



Significantly, the countries that have generated most of the refugees are all places where the United States has invaded, overthrown governments, supported insurgencies, or intervened in a civil war. The invasion of Iraq created a power vacuum that has empowered terrorism in the Arab heartland. Supporting rebels in Syria has piled Pelion on Ossa. Afghanistan continues to bleed 14 years after the United States arrived and decided to create a democracy. Libya, which was relatively stable when the U.S. and its allies intervened, is now in chaos, with its disorder spilling over into sub-Saharan Africa.



Everywhere people are fleeing the violence, which, among other benefits, has virtually obliterated the ancient Christian presence in the Middle East.



A modicum of honesty from President Barack Obama would be appreciated, perhaps an admission that things have not exactly worked out as planned by his administration and that of his predecessor.



Washington throws billions of dollars to fight wars it doesn't have to fight and to prop up feckless allies worldwide. For a change it might be refreshing to see tax money doing some good, working with the most affected states in the Middle East and Europe to resettle the homeless and making an honest effort to come to negotiated settlements to end the fighting in Syria and Yemen, both of which can only have unspeakably bad outcomes if they continue on their current trajectories.



//http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/a-refugee-crisis-made-in-america/
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2015, 12:32:48 AM
Saudi Funding of ISIS

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis



And Saudi Arabia is taking no refugees.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2015, 12:33:45 AM
GREECE SEIZES ISIS-LINKED WEAPONS SHIPMENT

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/03/greece-seizes-isis-linked-weapons-shipment/
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 11, 2015, 12:37:57 AM
...and here we go again...



The US is dragging its friends into another "bombing" campaign in Syria, with absolutely NO fucking clue what the strategic goal and outcome will be.



What is this campaign supposed to do? Who will benefit?



EVERY time the US intervenes, it leaves behind chaos and anarchy. It fails to understand the consequences of its clumsiness and ineptitude.



The Middle East is a maelstrom of violence, evil and idiocy. The US did not cause this...it merely unleashed it.



Leave them to their own devices.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2015, 12:39:50 AM
Quote from: "SPECTRE"...and here we go again...



The US is dragging its friends into another "bombing" campaign in Syria, with absolutely NO fucking clue what the strategic goal and outcome will be.



What is this campaign supposed to do? Who will benefit?



EVERY time the US intervenes, it leaves behind chaos and anarchy. It fails to understand the consequences of its clumsiness and ineptitude.



The Middle East is a maelstrom of violence, evil and idiocy. The US did not cause this...it merely unleashed it.



Leave them to their own devices.

And I say leave their ISIS infiltrators in the Middle East.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 11, 2015, 12:46:01 AM
Precisely.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 11, 2015, 10:06:05 AM
I want to destroy all those assholes to end their reign of terror and restore their country so their citizens can pick up the pieces instead of fleeing to my shores! Bombers raid on! Bastards!



And to those fleeing: Fight for your country, you spineless cowards!
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2015, 11:19:25 AM
Quote from: "Herman"Saudi Funding of ISIS

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis



And Saudi Arabia is taking no refugees.

I don't care what Saudi Arabia does.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2015, 09:13:50 PM
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The countries helping ISIS won't take them, but Canada and Germany should?
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 13, 2015, 04:25:03 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Herman"Saudi Funding of ISIS

https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/saudi-funding-of-isis



And Saudi Arabia is taking no refugees.

I don't care what Saudi Arabia does.


Why not? They fund ISIS. ISIS is killing christians.



How can you not care?



Or is your god only in your own life.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2015, 07:34:09 AM
My initial reaction to the Syrian refugee waves was open up and let them in. Now I don't know what the right course of action is. I agree with the government that an airlift without screening is an easy opportunity for extremists. I'm not sure what country is handling it right.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: J0E on September 13, 2015, 04:16:54 PM
hmmm, highly reminiscent of this "bombing" campaign, eh Leopardsocks?







I saw Country Joe play this song live in Vancouver



'hope it brings back fond memories, Spectree  since yer part of the vietnam generation.


Quote from: "SPECTRE"...and here we go again...



The US is dragging its friends into another "bombing" campaign in Syria, with absolutely NO fucking clue what the strategic goal and outcome will be.



What is this campaign supposed to do? Who will benefit?



EVERY time the US intervenes, it leaves behind chaos and anarchy. It fails to understand the consequences of its clumsiness and ineptitude.



The Middle East is a maelstrom of violence, evil and idiocy. The US did not cause this...it merely unleashed it.



Leave them to their own devices.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2015, 08:47:10 PM
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Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Bricktop on September 13, 2015, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: "Frank"hmmm, highly reminiscent of this "bombing" campaign, eh Leopardsocks?







I saw Country Joe play this song live in Vancouver



'hope it brings back fond memories, Spectree  since yer part of the vietnam generation.


Quote from: "SPECTRE"...and here we go again...



The US is dragging its friends into another "bombing" campaign in Syria, with absolutely NO fucking clue what the strategic goal and outcome will be.



What is this campaign supposed to do? Who will benefit?



EVERY time the US intervenes, it leaves behind chaos and anarchy. It fails to understand the consequences of its clumsiness and ineptitude.



The Middle East is a maelstrom of violence, evil and idiocy. The US did not cause this...it merely unleashed it.



Leave them to their own devices.


That was worse. That was compelling young MEN to be enlisted into the army, and then sent to Vietnam for a purposeless war to die. It was a disgrace.



But...did they learn?



 ac_dunno
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 13, 2015, 10:31:37 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"My initial reaction to the Syrian refugee waves was open up and let them in. Now I don't know what the right course of action is. I agree with the government that an airlift without screening is an easy opportunity for extremists. I'm not sure what country is handling it right.

There is NO way to screen, no govt to get history from

   Children 15 %

Women 13 %

Men 72% (That's a total breaker for me

1. What the hell kind of men would leave their families and run like hell? I don't want  them

2. This % indicates a high likelihood of bad critters



Source: UNHCR, based on Mediterranean sea arrivals.

GO AHEAD - CHECK it > http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html - Lower right corner of top section



While it doesn't give ages, simple observation of films will show that most of these "great majority males" are late teens, 20s
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"
Quote from: "seoulbro"My initial reaction to the Syrian refugee waves was open up and let them in. Now I don't know what the right course of action is. I agree with the government that an airlift without screening is an easy opportunity for extremists. I'm not sure what country is handling it right.

There is NO way to screen, no govt to get history from

   Children 15 %

Women 13 %

Men 72% (That's a total breaker for me

1. What the hell kind of men would leave their families and run like hell? I don't want  them

2. This % indicates a high likelihood of bad critters



Source: UNHCR, based on Mediterranean sea arrivals.

GO AHEAD - CHECK it > http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html - Lower right corner of top section



While it doesn't give ages, simple observation of films will show that most of these "great majority males" are late teens, 20s

Thank you for the information cc la femme..



Men are 72% of arrivals in Europe?

 :ohmy:
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: cc on September 14, 2015, 01:46:20 AM
According to the UN, a BIG yes. 3 of every 4 are a young male - or put the other way and in round numbers  ONLY 1 in 4 is either a kid or a female, or 1 in 8 is a kid, 1 in 8 a female, 6 in 8 are men



Why don't people see what there own eyes see. We shouldn't need the UN to tell us what we "can" see if we want to



I had noticed the obvious before, but deliberately watched the scenes on TV tonight. Except when they focus on kids, which of course they often do, it's men . men .. men  in the images on the screen



And, worse than "men", it's mostly young men ..... jihadi age to be blunt



We, our society, is so stupid that we as a society deserve to lose our society, and we are



Smell the coffee, Western society



These bastards obviously have left their families at the mercy of ISIS (which is merciless) / rabid islamists. They just up and split  to save their own sorry gutless asses
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2015, 11:03:17 AM
Quote from: "cc la femme"According to the UN, a BIG yes. 3 of every 4 are a young male - or put the other way and in round numbers  ONLY 1 in 4 is either a kid or a female, or 1 in 8 is a kid, 1 in 8 a female, 6 in 8 are men



Why don't people see what there own eyes see. We shouldn't need the UN to tell us what we "can" see if we want to



I had noticed the obvious before, but deliberately watched the scenes on TV tonight. Except when they focus on kids, which of course they often do, it's men . men .. men  in the images on the screen



And, worse than "men", it's mostly young men ..... jihadi age to be blunt



We, our society, is so stupid that we as a society deserve to lose our society, and we are



Smell the coffee, Western society



These bastards obviously have left their families at the mercy of ISIS (which is merciless) / rabid islamists. They just up and split  to save their own sorry gutless asses

cc la femme, I was under the impression until you informed us about this that the majority of those fleeing were women and children..



I'm sorry, but from listening to politicians I thought this was the case..



Serves me right for believing politicians.
Title: Re: Gulf oil states...I have a question.
Post by: Frood on September 15, 2015, 11:23:32 AM
Quote from: "cc la femme"
Quote from: "seoulbro"My initial reaction to the Syrian refugee waves was open up and let them in. Now I don't know what the right course of action is. I agree with the government that an airlift without screening is an easy opportunity for extremists. I'm not sure what country is handling it right.

There is NO way to screen, no govt to get history from

   Children 15 %

Women 13 %

Men 72% (That's a total breaker for me

1. What the hell kind of men would leave their families and run like hell? I don't want  them

2. This % indicates a high likelihood of bad critters



Source: UNHCR, based on Mediterranean sea arrivals.

GO AHEAD - CHECK it > http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.html - Lower right corner of top section



While it doesn't give ages, simple observation of films will show that most of these "great majority males" are late teens, 20s


To play the devil's avocado, maybe men who realize that their women and children have never had an opportunity to learn to swim, or swim for beyond 20-30 minutes?



Wouldn't it be better and less hazardous for one member of the family, the figurehead, to take the gamble and bring the innocents behind them?
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