Title: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: J0E on September 06, 2015, 06:03:44 PM
Post by: J0E on September 06, 2015, 06:03:44 PM
I always get a reaction to many Asian foods after consuming them.
And its always the same.
Tightening of the skin muscles around the face as if its being pulled
Temporary pain in the joints, hands and sometimes feet which feels like the onset of arthritis.
Sometimes upset stomach as if something didn't go down well.
...which is unfortunate because I often like the food and taste of many of their dishes.
However, I feel its not worth it because of the side effects.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 06:05:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 06:05:33 PM
...3 letters - MSG.Quote from: "Frank"
I always get a reaction to many Asian foods after consuming them.
And its always the same.
Tightening of the skin muscles around the face as if its being pulled
Temporary pain in the joints, hands and sometimes feet which feels like the onset of arthritis.
Sometimes upset stomach as if something didn't go down well.
...which is unfortunate because I often like the food and taste of many of their dishes.
However, I feel its not worth it because of the side effects.
You don't have to use msg Frank.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 06:09:23 PM
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 06:09:23 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 06:19:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 06:19:30 PM
Reputable Asian restaurants are still using MSG where you're at, Frank? That's a big no no here. Even the cheap ones make it point to mark their menus and outer windows with "NO MSG" signs.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I don't know if I would trust that Dinky Diana..
But, you can control that when you cook at home.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Renee on September 06, 2015, 06:20:23 PM
Post by: Renee on September 06, 2015, 06:20:23 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 06:24:54 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 06:24:54 PM
They have the NO MSG signs around here too but I still get an MSG reaction from eating Asian food. I think most Asian restaurants claim one thing and do another until they get caught.Quote from: "Renee"
East Asian restaurants are not the only ones misleading the public about their ingredients.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 06:26:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 06:26:29 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 06:37:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 06:37:10 PM
Another one of Frank's troll threads. You people keep taking the bait.Quote from: "Shen Li"
Frank is not the first person to raise this concern Shen Li.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: J0E on September 06, 2015, 07:01:21 PM
Post by: J0E on September 06, 2015, 07:01:21 PM
Another one of Frank's troll threads. You people keep taking the bait.Quote from: "Shen Li"
We'll...there are some nice Vietnamese and Thai restaurants with great food.
But I would get the same physical reactions from the food.
They did NOT have signs indicating no MSG.
However, one Vietnamese restaurant nearby did claim no MSG so I tried the food, and I did NOT get the same physical reaction I've had at others. So I am fairly certain there is no MSG and I still go there from time to time.
Incidentally, I've had reactions to Japanese and Chinese food, so I'm not singling out one nations cuisine.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 07:04:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 07:04:43 PM
Kentucky Fried Chicken for example being on of the biggest culprits.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 07:07:03 PM
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 07:07:03 PM
Reputable Asian restaurants are still using MSG where you're at, Frank? That's a big no no here. Even the cheap ones make it point to mark their menus and outer windows with "NO MSG" signs.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I don't know if I would trust that Dinky Diana..
But, you can control that when you cook at home.
I have a sensitivity to MSG, Fash. It's why I religiously no longer eat Doritos or flavored noodles at all. Knock on wood, no restaurant here with a no MSG sign or ad has ever caused me to projectile vomit an hour or two later.
Home cooking is even better but I struggle with the list of ingredients some Asian dishes require, sometimes. It can be like alchemy or a magic spell from the Hogwarts School of cookery.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 07:31:00 PM
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 07:31:00 PM
It's been used for over a hundred years in food.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: J0E on September 06, 2015, 07:41:49 PM
Post by: J0E on September 06, 2015, 07:41:49 PM
I remember reading that American fast food chains use a lot of msg too..Quote from: "Fashionista"
Kentucky Fried Chicken for example being on of the biggest culprits.
Yes, when u mention it, kfc too.
In their gravy especially.
I get dry mouth,throat too.
But same reaction face as if it feels the skin is being stretched.
Still, I didn't feel there was as much msg in kfc as some asian restaurants, whose food is laced with the substance.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: J0E on September 06, 2015, 07:43:30 PM
Post by: J0E on September 06, 2015, 07:43:30 PM
I get the same tingling feeling of the jaw muscles and skin tightening after a round of the delicious butdeadly 'tings.
Reputable Asian restaurants are still using MSG where you're at, Frank? That's a big no no here. Even the cheap ones make it point to mark their menus and outer windows with "NO MSG" signs.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I don't know if I would trust that Dinky Diana..
But, you can control that when you cook at home.
I have a sensitivity to MSG, Fash. It's why I religiously no longer eat Doritos or flavored noodles at all. Knock on wood, no restaurant here with a no MSG sign or ad has ever caused me to projectile vomit an hour or two later.
Home cooking is even better but I struggle with the list of ingredients some Asian dishes require, sometimes. It can be like alchemy or a magic spell from the Hogwarts School of cookery.ac_biggrin
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 07:46:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 07:46:59 PM
I remember reading that American fast food chains use a lot of msg too..Quote from: "Fashionista"
Kentucky Fried Chicken for example being on of the biggest culprits.
Yes, when u mention it, kfc too.
In their gravy especially.
I get dry mouth,throat too.
But same reaction face as if it feels the skin is being stretched.
Still, I didn't feel there was as much msg in kfc as some asian restaurants, whose food is laced with the substance.
All Asian restaurants Frank, or just certain ones and lower end ones?
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Renee on September 06, 2015, 08:18:14 PM
Post by: Renee on September 06, 2015, 08:18:14 PM
MSG is naturally occurring and found in foods such as tomatoes, potatoes, mushrooms, Parmesan cheese, etc.Quote from: "RW"
It's been used for over a hundred years in food.
Gultumatic acid is a naturally occuring protein found in tomatoes, potatoes, etc. and when it cooked it breaks down and becomes glutamate. Adding salt stabilizes the broken down protein. MSG is not naturally occurring. It is a artificial combination of glutamate and salt.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 08:22:50 PM
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 08:22:50 PM
MSG is the sodium salt of glutamic acid. It used to be made from an extraction process from foods rich in it such as seaweed. Now it's made by fermenting starches, beats or molasses.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 08:24:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 08:24:05 PM
MSG is naturally occurring and found in foods such as tomatoes, potatoes, mushrooms, Parmesan cheese, etc.Quote from: "RW"
It's been used for over a hundred years in food.
Gultumatic acid is a naturally occuring protein found in tomatoes, potatoes, etc. and when it cooked it breaks down and becomes glutamate. Adding salt stabilizes the broken down protein. MSG is not naturally occurring. It is a artificial combination of glutamate and salt.
Renee is our living encyclopedia.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 08:27:09 PM
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 08:27:09 PM
MSG is naturally occurring and found in foods such as tomatoes, potatoes, mushrooms, Parmesan cheese, etc.Quote from: "RW"
It's been used for over a hundred years in food.
Gultumatic acid is a naturally occuring protein found in tomatoes, potatoes, etc. and when it cooked it breaks down and becomes glutamate. Adding salt stabilizes the broken down protein. MSG is not naturally occurring. It is a artificial combination of glutamate and salt.
Renee is our living encyclopedia.
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Only she's not correct.
Here, a link!
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 08:32:12 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 08:32:12 PM
MSG is naturally occurring and found in foods such as tomatoes, potatoes, mushrooms, Parmesan cheese, etc.Quote from: "RW"
It's been used for over a hundred years in food.
Gultumatic acid is a naturally occuring protein found in tomatoes, potatoes, etc. and when it cooked it breaks down and becomes glutamate. Adding salt stabilizes the broken down protein. MSG is not naturally occurring. It is a artificial combination of glutamate and salt.
Renee is our living encyclopedia.
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Only she's not correct.
Something tells me she will argue that accusation.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 08:39:36 PM
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 08:39:36 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
She can try.Quote from: "RW"
Clash of the titans..
I look forward to reading the battle.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 08:46:23 PM
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 08:46:23 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 08:51:29 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 08:51:29 PM
The Final Countdown: Krispy Kremes vs Canadian Rashers!Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Dinky Diana, what is Canadian Rashers?
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 08:53:21 PM
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 08:53:21 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 08:56:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 08:56:24 PM
Bacon rashers. You don't say rashers in Canada?Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
I don't know what a bacon rasher is..
Sorry about that.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 08:59:35 PM
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 08:59:35 PM
Bacon rashers. You don't say rashers in Canada?Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Not usually, no.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 09:00:40 PM
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 09:00:40 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 09:00:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 09:00:57 PM
Bacon rashers. You don't say rashers in Canada?Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Not usually, no.
But, what are they RW?
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 09:02:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 09:02:42 PM
A cut or piece of bacon. I guess it's an Aussie or British term?Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
So, it's a single slice of bacon?
My husband's family is from Holland..
They like bacon and eggs..
And meatball soup.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Renee on September 06, 2015, 09:07:45 PM
Post by: Renee on September 06, 2015, 09:07:45 PM
MSG is naturally occurring and found in foods such as tomatoes, potatoes, mushrooms, Parmesan cheese, etc.Quote from: "RW"
It's been used for over a hundred years in food.
Gultumatic acid is a naturally occuring protein found in tomatoes, potatoes, etc. and when it cooked it breaks down and becomes glutamate. Adding salt stabilizes the broken down protein. MSG is not naturally occurring. It is a artificial combination of glutamate and salt.
Renee is our living encyclopedia.
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Only she's not correct.
Here, a link!http://www.foodinsight.org/monosodium-glutamate-msg-umami-safe-allergy-health#sthash.Ndh4E2xO.dpbs
The actual commercial MSG most of us are familiar with is NOT naturally occurring. It is derived and created thru a fermentation process. What you are confusing it with is glumatic acid which is a naturally occurring protein found in vegetables and sea kelp.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 09:08:19 PM
Post by: Frood on September 06, 2015, 09:08:19 PM
A cut or piece of bacon. I guess it's an Aussie or British term?Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
So, it's a single slice of bacon?
My husband's family is from Holland..
They like bacon and eggs..
And meatball soup.
yes
Like this.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 09:09:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2015, 09:09:43 PM
A cut or piece of bacon. I guess it's an Aussie or British term?Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
So, it's a single slice of bacon?
My husband's family is from Holland..
They like bacon and eggs..
And meatball soup.
yes
Like this.(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://community.diabetes.org/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/7162i022C099BC51AADB7?v=mpbl-1%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://community.diabetes.org/t5/image/%20...%207?v=mpbl-1%22%3Ehttp://community.diabetes.org/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/7162i022C099BC51AADB7?v=mpbl-1%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
It looks the same yet different from the bacon I have bought.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
Post by: RW on September 06, 2015, 09:10:41 PM
MSG is naturally occurring and found in foods such as tomatoes, potatoes, mushrooms, Parmesan cheese, etc.Quote from: "RW"
It's been used for over a hundred years in food.
Gultumatic acid is a naturally occuring protein found in tomatoes, potatoes, etc. and when it cooked it breaks down and becomes glutamate. Adding salt stabilizes the broken down protein. MSG is not naturally occurring. It is a artificial combination of glutamate and salt.
Renee is our living encyclopedia.
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Only she's not correct.
Here, a link!http://www.foodinsight.org/monosodium-glutamate-msg-umami-safe-allergy-health#sthash.Ndh4E2xO.dpbs
The actual commercial MSG most of us are familiar with is NOT naturally occurring. It is derived and created thru a fermentation process. What you are confusing it with is glumatic acid which is a naturally occurring protein found in vegetables and sea kelp.http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/its-the-umami-stupid-why-the-truth-about-msg-is-so-easy-to-swallow-180947626/?no-ist http://faculty.georgetown.edu/sandj/MSG_Gastronomica_Fall05.pdf
Your first link supports everything I've said.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Renee on September 07, 2015, 05:32:45 AM
Post by: Renee on September 07, 2015, 05:32:45 AM
MSG is naturally occurring and found in foods such as tomatoes, potatoes, mushrooms, Parmesan cheese, etc.Quote from: "RW"
It's been used for over a hundred years in food.
Gultumatic acid is a naturally occuring protein found in tomatoes, potatoes, etc. and when it cooked it breaks down and becomes glutamate. Adding salt stabilizes the broken down protein. MSG is not naturally occurring. It is a artificial combination of glutamate and salt.
Renee is our living encyclopedia.
:smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
Only she's not correct.
Here, a link!http://www.foodinsight.org/monosodium-glutamate-msg-umami-safe-allergy-health#sthash.Ndh4E2xO.dpbs
The actual commercial MSG most of us are familiar with is NOT naturally occurring. It is derived and created thru a fermentation process. What you are confusing it with is glumatic acid which is a naturally occurring protein found in vegetables and sea kelp.http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/its-the-umami-stupid-why-the-truth-about-msg-is-so-easy-to-swallow-180947626/?no-ist http://faculty.georgetown.edu/sandj/MSG_Gastronomica_Fall05.pdf
Your first link supports everything I've said.
You still have to break the glumatic acid down through fermentation to form
There in lies the problem with MSG. Like moonshine; MSG it affects the body differently when it is in it's processed form.
"Glutamtes that occur naturally in food come intertwined with different chemicals or fiber, which the body is naturally inclined to regulate, explains Amy Cheng Vollmer, professor of biology at Swarthmore College. MSG, however, comes without the natural components of food that help the body regulate glutamic levels. It's like taking an iron supplement versus obtaining iron from spinach or red meat: the iron supplement creates an expressway between the iron and your bloodstream that you wouldn't find in natural iron sources."
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In other words, for some people, eating straight MSG dumped on food as a flavor enhancer affects the body more adversely than when it's in it's glumatic acid form. The body cannot regulate the intake fast enough to avoid the side effects that MSG can cause. Why; because it is broken down and separated from the natural elements that are required for the body to absorb it at a proper rate. All I know is that when I eat food with MSG in it my ankles and knuckle joints in my hands swell and I get headaches and it doesn't happen when I eat tomatoes or potatoes.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 11:48:55 AM
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 11:48:55 AM
Glutamate itself is also one of the most prevalent neurotransmitters in the body and is involved in cognitive function and memory.
There is also currently no scientific evidence that supports MSG as being harmful. Scientists have not been able to replicate issues from MSG in a scientific setting.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 11:50:39 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 11:50:39 AM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 11:51:08 AM
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 11:51:08 AM
You just contradicted yourself. You said foods are rich is glumatic acid yet quote "foods rich is glutamate..." Glutamate itself is found in foods. If you don't believe me, read your own quote again.Quote from: "RW"
Glutamate itself is also one of the most prevalent neurotransmitters in the body and is involved in cognitive function and memory.
There is also currently no scientific evidence that supports MSG as being harmful. Scientists have not been able to replicate issues from MSG in a scientific setting.
So why must I violently vomit after eating items with added MSG, RW? For real.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 11:51:50 AM
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 11:51:50 AM
This thread is like a science class being taught by Renee and RW.Quote from: "Fashionista"
It's weird. I'll give you that.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 11:52:36 AM
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 11:52:36 AM
You just contradicted yourself. You said foods are rich is glumatic acid yet quote "foods rich is glutamate..." Glutamate itself is found in foods. If you don't believe me, read your own quote again.Quote from: "RW"
Glutamate itself is also one of the most prevalent neurotransmitters in the body and is involved in cognitive function and memory.
There is also currently no scientific evidence that supports MSG as being harmful. Scientists have not been able to replicate issues from MSG in a scientific setting.
So why must I violently vomit after eating items with added MSG, RW? For real.
How can I answer that? I can only report what science says.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 11:58:06 AM
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 11:58:06 AM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 12:02:05 PM
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 12:02:05 PM
You just contradicted yourself. You said foods are rich is glumatic acid yet quote "foods rich is glutamate..." Glutamate itself is found in foods. If you don't believe me, read your own quote again.Quote from: "RW"
Glutamate itself is also one of the most prevalent neurotransmitters in the body and is involved in cognitive function and memory.
There is also currently no scientific evidence that supports MSG as being harmful. Scientists have not been able to replicate issues from MSG in a scientific setting.
So why must I violently vomit after eating items with added MSG, RW? For real.
How can I answer that? I can only report what science says.
Science can say a lot yet little on any given subject.
Have you ever investigated the links between Multiple Sclerosis and Glutamate Blockers, RW?
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 12:04:24 PM
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 12:04:24 PM
You just contradicted yourself. You said foods are rich is glumatic acid yet quote "foods rich is glutamate..." Glutamate itself is found in foods. If you don't believe me, read your own quote again.Quote from: "RW"
Glutamate itself is also one of the most prevalent neurotransmitters in the body and is involved in cognitive function and memory.
There is also currently no scientific evidence that supports MSG as being harmful. Scientists have not been able to replicate issues from MSG in a scientific setting.
So why must I violently vomit after eating items with added MSG, RW? For real.
How can I answer that? I can only report what science says.
Science can say a lot yet little on any given subject.
Have you ever investigated the links between Multiple Sclerosis and Glutamate Blockers, RW?
Can't say I have. I'll read up on it right now.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 12:16:38 PM
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 12:16:38 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Renee on September 07, 2015, 12:24:59 PM
Post by: Renee on September 07, 2015, 12:24:59 PM
You just contradicted yourself. You said foods are rich is glumatic acid yet quote "foods rich is glutamate..." Glutamate itself is found in foods. If you don't believe me, read your own quote again.Quote from: "RW"
Glutamate itself is also one of the most prevalent neurotransmitters in the body and is involved in cognitive function and memory.
There is also currently no scientific evidence that supports MSG as being harmful. Scientists have not been able to replicate issues from MSG in a scientific setting.
So why must I violently vomit after eating items with added MSG, RW? For real.
Because MSG ingested as an additive can't be absorbed by the body properly. When you eat a tomato you are ingesting glumatic acid in its natural state where it is combined with the entire chemical make up of a tomato. The body can then regulate the absorption of the protein.
If you eat glutamate as a straight additive you get an overload of the protein that some people can't handle.
Because straight MSG alone acts like an "expressway" into the bloodstream and cannot be regulated proplerly, is why you puke and I get headaches and swelling.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Renee on September 07, 2015, 12:27:33 PM
Post by: Renee on September 07, 2015, 12:27:33 PM
For more information:Quote from: "RW"http://www.fda.gov/Food/IngredientsPackagingLabeling/FoodAdditivesIngredients/ucm328728.htm
Yeah the FDA used to say that fluoride was safe to put in the drinking water too.
The FDA is just another government agency full of clowns who are for sale to the highest bidder.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 01:00:02 PM
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 01:00:02 PM
You just contradicted yourself. You said foods are rich is glumatic acid yet quote "foods rich is glutamate..." Glutamate itself is found in foods. If you don't believe me, read your own quote again.Quote from: "RW"
Glutamate itself is also one of the most prevalent neurotransmitters in the body and is involved in cognitive function and memory.
There is also currently no scientific evidence that supports MSG as being harmful. Scientists have not been able to replicate issues from MSG in a scientific setting.
So why must I violently vomit after eating items with added MSG, RW? For real.
Because MSG ingested as an additive can't be absorbed by the body properly. When you eat a tomato you are ingesting glumatic acid in its natural state where it is combined with the entire chemical make up of a tomato. The body can then regulate the absorption of the protein.
If you eat glutamate as a straight additive you get an overload of the protein that some people can't handle.
Because straight MSG alone acts like an "expressway" into the bloodstream and cannot be regulated proplerly, is why you puke and I get headaches and swelling.
Protein? It's an amino acid.
No offence Renee, but you sound like you know what you're talking about but you don't quite have the chemistry right.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Renee on September 07, 2015, 02:39:29 PM
Post by: Renee on September 07, 2015, 02:39:29 PM
You just contradicted yourself. You said foods are rich is glumatic acid yet quote "foods rich is glutamate..." Glutamate itself is found in foods. If you don't believe me, read your own quote again.Quote from: "RW"
Glutamate itself is also one of the most prevalent neurotransmitters in the body and is involved in cognitive function and memory.
There is also currently no scientific evidence that supports MSG as being harmful. Scientists have not been able to replicate issues from MSG in a scientific setting.
So why must I violently vomit after eating items with added MSG, RW? For real.
Because MSG ingested as an additive can't be absorbed by the body properly. When you eat a tomato you are ingesting glumatic acid in its natural state where it is combined with the entire chemical make up of a tomato. The body can then regulate the absorption of the protein.
If you eat glutamate as a straight additive you get an overload of the protein that some people can't handle.
Because straight MSG alone acts like an "expressway" into the bloodstream and cannot be regulated proplerly, is why you puke and I get headaches and swelling.
Protein? It's an amino acid.
No offence Renee, but you sound like you know what you're talking about but you don't quite have the chemistry right.
You are correct, it's an amino acid but amino acids linked together make protein. To be accurate MSG, is a salt of the amino acid. Basically one mono-sodium atom is "stuck" to the amino acid glutamate.
Sorry for my confused terminology.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 02:56:35 PM
You just contradicted yourself. You said foods are rich is glumatic acid yet quote "foods rich is glutamate..." Glutamate itself is found in foods. If you don't believe me, read your own quote again.Quote from: "RW"
Glutamate itself is also one of the most prevalent neurotransmitters in the body and is involved in cognitive function and memory.
There is also currently no scientific evidence that supports MSG as being harmful. Scientists have not been able to replicate issues from MSG in a scientific setting.
So why must I violently vomit after eating items with added MSG, RW? For real.
Because MSG ingested as an additive can't be absorbed by the body properly. When you eat a tomato you are ingesting glumatic acid in its natural state where it is combined with the entire chemical make up of a tomato. The body can then regulate the absorption of the protein.
If you eat glutamate as a straight additive you get an overload of the protein that some people can't handle.
Because straight MSG alone acts like an "expressway" into the bloodstream and cannot be regulated proplerly, is why you puke and I get headaches and swelling.
Protein? It's an amino acid.
No offence Renee, but you sound like you know what you're talking about but you don't quite have the chemistry right.
You are correct, it's an amino acid but amino acids linked together make protein. To be accurate MSG, is a salt of the amino acid. Basically one mono-sodium atom is "stuck" to the amino acid glutamate.
Sorry for my confused terminology.
Yes I know but it's glutamate that is found in food. Originally, MSG came from the dehydration of seaweed broth.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 03:14:51 PM
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 03:14:51 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 03:20:03 PM
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 03:20:03 PM
I can't eat seaweed without major stomach pain and massive weight loss. There might be something in what you two are talking about.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Go to the doctor.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Renee on September 07, 2015, 03:20:47 PM
Post by: Renee on September 07, 2015, 03:20:47 PM
You just contradicted yourself. You said foods are rich is glumatic acid yet quote "foods rich is glutamate..." Glutamate itself is found in foods. If you don't believe me, read your own quote again.Quote from: "RW"
Glutamate itself is also one of the most prevalent neurotransmitters in the body and is involved in cognitive function and memory.
There is also currently no scientific evidence that supports MSG as being harmful. Scientists have not been able to replicate issues from MSG in a scientific setting.
So why must I violently vomit after eating items with added MSG, RW? For real.
Because MSG ingested as an additive can't be absorbed by the body properly. When you eat a tomato you are ingesting glumatic acid in its natural state where it is combined with the entire chemical make up of a tomato. The body can then regulate the absorption of the protein.
If you eat glutamate as a straight additive you get an overload of the protein that some people can't handle.
Because straight MSG alone acts like an "expressway" into the bloodstream and cannot be regulated proplerly, is why you puke and I get headaches and swelling.
Protein? It's an amino acid.
No offence Renee, but you sound like you know what you're talking about but you don't quite have the chemistry right.
You are correct, it's an amino acid but amino acids linked together make protein. To be accurate MSG, is a salt of the amino acid. Basically one mono-sodium atom is "stuck" to the amino acid glutamate.
Sorry for my confused terminology.
Yes I know but it's glutamate that is found in food. Originally, MSG came from the dehydration of seaweed broth.
Actually it comes from
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 03:27:48 PM
Post by: Frood on September 07, 2015, 03:27:48 PM
I can't eat seaweed without major stomach pain and massive weight loss. There might be something in what you two are talking about.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Go to the doctor.
I opted for the easier option and stopped eating wakame.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 03:32:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 07, 2015, 03:32:45 PM
...3 letters - MSG.Quote from: "Frank"
I always get a reaction to many Asian foods after consuming them.
And its always the same.
Tightening of the skin muscles around the face as if its being pulled
Temporary pain in the joints, hands and sometimes feet which feels like the onset of arthritis.
Sometimes upset stomach as if something didn't go down well.
...which is unfortunate because I often like the food and taste of many of their dishes.
However, I feel its not worth it because of the side effects.
You don't eat bulgogi or kalbi? You don't know what you are missing.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 03:50:40 PM
Post by: RW on September 07, 2015, 03:50:40 PM
As I stated over and over you have to break down the glumatic acid through fermentation to form glutamate.Quote from: "Renee"
This statement ^^^ is incorrect. You don't have to ferment glutamic acid to form glutamate. For all intents and purposes, glatamic acid = glutamate. Glutamic Acid, or its ionic form, Glutamate is glutamic acid in it's ionic form meaning it has a mineral ion such as sodium. You do NOT need fermentation to produce glutamate as it is produced naturally all over the damn place.
Back in the day, it was EXTRACTED from seaweed broth. These days, it is made from fermentation, however fermentation is not required to make MSG nor is it required to make glutamate.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Wulf on September 08, 2015, 10:42:42 AM
Post by: Wulf on September 08, 2015, 10:42:42 AM
As I stated over and over you have to break down the glumatic acid through fermentation to form glutamate.Quote from: "Renee"
This statement ^^^ is incorrect. You don't have to ferment glutamic acid to form glutamate. For all intents and purposes, glatamic acid = glutamate. Glutamic Acid, or its ionic form, Glutamate is glutamic acid in it's ionic form meaning it has a mineral ion such as sodium. You do NOT need fermentation to produce glutamate as it is produced naturally all over the damn place.
Back in the day, it was EXTRACTED from seaweed broth. These days, it is made from fermentation, however fermentation is not required to make MSG nor is it required to make glutamate.
The white crystallized power we know as MSG (glutamate) is made by by submerged bacterial fermentation of carbohydrates. Before the 1950s hydroclorhic acid was used to extract the glumatic salt.
Glutamte in it's free form is found in a wide variety of foods but in order to separate it as a crystalline salt (monsodium glutimate) the host vegetable protein, seaweed, etc MUST be fermented.
Glumatic acid and glutimate are not exactly the same thing. They are chemical names for similar substances. Because of their similarities in function lazy chemists will often use the names interchangeably.
The chemical chain formula of glutamic acid, = CH2CH2COOH.
The chemical chain formula of glutimate = CH2CH2COO
As you can see glutimate loses one of it's hydrogen atoms which make it similar but different. Not only does glutimate lose a hydrogen ion but when extracted as in the making of MSG, it gets a mineral ion attached to it. If the mineral ion is salt, the glutamic acid becomes sodium glutamate. In the case of potassium, the glutamic acid becomes potassium glutamate.
In essence Renee and you are both correct. Hopefully that puts an end to this retarded discussion but if I know anything about women, one of you will find something, no matter how inane, to come back with.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: J0E on September 08, 2015, 11:25:15 AM
Post by: J0E on September 08, 2015, 11:25:15 AM
Greek, Russian, Iranian - I think, are MSG free because I don't feel any side effects.
Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese - the symptoms are often there. Sore joints being one of them - like why do my bones hurt so much?
You just contradicted yourself. You said foods are rich is glumatic acid yet quote "foods rich is glutamate..." Glutamate itself is found in foods. If you don't believe me, read your own quote again.Quote from: "RW"
Glutamate itself is also one of the most prevalent neurotransmitters in the body and is involved in cognitive function and memory.
There is also currently no scientific evidence that supports MSG as being harmful. Scientists have not been able to replicate issues from MSG in a scientific setting.
So why must I violently vomit after eating items with added MSG, RW? For real.
Because MSG ingested as an additive can't be absorbed by the body properly. When you eat a tomato you are ingesting glumatic acid in its natural state where it is combined with the entire chemical make up of a tomato. The body can then regulate the absorption of the protein.
If you eat glutamate as a straight additive you get an overload of the protein that some people can't handle.
Because straight MSG alone acts like an "expressway" into the bloodstream and cannot be regulated proplerly, is why you puke and I get headaches and swelling.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 08, 2015, 03:05:55 PM
Post by: RW on September 08, 2015, 03:05:55 PM
As I stated over and over you have to break down the glumatic acid through fermentation to form glutamate.Quote from: "Renee"
This statement ^^^ is incorrect. You don't have to ferment glutamic acid to form glutamate. For all intents and purposes, glatamic acid = glutamate. Glutamic Acid, or its ionic form, Glutamate is glutamic acid in it's ionic form meaning it has a mineral ion such as sodium. You do NOT need fermentation to produce glutamate as it is produced naturally all over the damn place.
Back in the day, it was EXTRACTED from seaweed broth. These days, it is made from fermentation, however fermentation is not required to make MSG nor is it required to make glutamate.
The white crystallized power we know as MSG (glutamate) is made by by submerged bacterial fermentation of carbohydrates. Before the 1950s hydroclorhic acid was used to extract the glumatic salt.
Glutamte in it's free form is found in a wide variety of foods but in order to separate it as a crystalline salt (monsodium glutimate) the host vegetable protein, seaweed, etc MUST be fermented.
Glumatic acid and glutimate are not exactly the same thing. They are chemical names for similar substances. Because of their similarities in function lazy chemists will often use the names interchangeably.
The chemical chain formula of glutamic acid, = CH2CH2COOH.
The chemical chain formula of glutimate = CH2CH2COO
As you can see glutimate loses one of it's hydrogen atoms which make it similar but different. Not only does glutimate lose a hydrogen ion but when extracted as in the making of MSG, it gets a mineral ion attached to it. If the mineral ion is salt, the glutamic acid becomes sodium glutamate. In the case of potassium, the glutamic acid becomes potassium glutamate.
In essence Renee and you are both correct. Hopefully that puts an end to this retarded discussion but if I know anything about women, one of you will find something, no matter how inane, to come back with.
No, in essence we aren't. I fully understand the difference between the acid and the salt. I understand and stated MSG is made from a fermentation process. You have reiterated what I have said. Thanks for the support :P
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Wulf on September 08, 2015, 04:11:22 PM
Post by: Wulf on September 08, 2015, 04:11:22 PM
As I stated over and over you have to break down the glumatic acid through fermentation to form glutamate.Quote from: "Renee"
This statement ^^^ is incorrect. You don't have to ferment glutamic acid to form glutamate. For all intents and purposes, glatamic acid = glutamate. Glutamic Acid, or its ionic form, Glutamate is glutamic acid in it's ionic form meaning it has a mineral ion such as sodium. You do NOT need fermentation to produce glutamate as it is produced naturally all over the damn place.
Back in the day, it was EXTRACTED from seaweed broth. These days, it is made from fermentation, however fermentation is not required to make MSG nor is it required to make glutamate.
The white crystallized power we know as MSG (glutamate) is made by by submerged bacterial fermentation of carbohydrates. Before the 1950s hydroclorhic acid was used to extract the glumatic salt.
Glutamte in it's free form is found in a wide variety of foods but in order to separate it as a crystalline salt (monsodium glutimate) the host vegetable protein, seaweed, etc MUST be fermented.
Glumatic acid and glutimate are not exactly the same thing. They are chemical names for similar substances. Because of their similarities in function lazy chemists will often use the names interchangeably.
The chemical chain formula of glutamic acid, = CH2CH2COOH.
The chemical chain formula of glutimate = CH2CH2COO
As you can see glutimate loses one of it's hydrogen atoms which make it similar but different. Not only does glutimate lose a hydrogen ion but when extracted as in the making of MSG, it gets a mineral ion attached to it. If the mineral ion is salt, the glutamic acid becomes sodium glutamate. In the case of potassium, the glutamic acid becomes potassium glutamate.
In essence Renee and you are both correct. Hopefully that puts an end to this retarded discussion but if I know anything about women, one of you will find something, no matter how inane, to come back with.
No, in essence we aren't. I fully understand the difference between the acid and the salt. I understand and stated MSG is made from a fermentation process. You have reiterated what I have said. Thanks for the support :P
The chemical chain formula of glutamic acid, = CH2CH2COOH.
The chemical chain formula of glutimate = CH2CH2COO
If you really want to get in your face technical, I could of said YOU are fucking wrong, but I was nice about it. Technically on the basis of their chemical make-up they are NOT one and the same as you are trying to claim.
Was my warning regarding an inane comeback not clear enough?????
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 08, 2015, 04:21:23 PM
Post by: RW on September 08, 2015, 04:21:23 PM
As I stated over and over you have to break down the glumatic acid through fermentation to form glutamate.Quote from: "Renee"
This statement ^^^ is incorrect. You don't have to ferment glutamic acid to form glutamate. For all intents and purposes, glatamic acid = glutamate. Glutamic Acid, or its ionic form, Glutamate is glutamic acid in it's ionic form meaning it has a mineral ion such as sodium. You do NOT need fermentation to produce glutamate as it is produced naturally all over the damn place.
Back in the day, it was EXTRACTED from seaweed broth. These days, it is made from fermentation, however fermentation is not required to make MSG nor is it required to make glutamate.
The white crystallized power we know as MSG (glutamate) is made by by submerged bacterial fermentation of carbohydrates. Before the 1950s hydroclorhic acid was used to extract the glumatic salt.
Glutamte in it's free form is found in a wide variety of foods but in order to separate it as a crystalline salt (monsodium glutimate) the host vegetable protein, seaweed, etc MUST be fermented.
Glumatic acid and glutimate are not exactly the same thing. They are chemical names for similar substances. Because of their similarities in function lazy chemists will often use the names interchangeably.
The chemical chain formula of glutamic acid, = CH2CH2COOH.
The chemical chain formula of glutimate = CH2CH2COO
As you can see glutimate loses one of it's hydrogen atoms which make it similar but different. Not only does glutimate lose a hydrogen ion but when extracted as in the making of MSG, it gets a mineral ion attached to it. If the mineral ion is salt, the glutamic acid becomes sodium glutamate. In the case of potassium, the glutamic acid becomes potassium glutamate.
In essence Renee and you are both correct. Hopefully that puts an end to this retarded discussion but if I know anything about women, one of you will find something, no matter how inane, to come back with.
No, in essence we aren't. I fully understand the difference between the acid and the salt. I understand and stated MSG is made from a fermentation process. You have reiterated what I have said. Thanks for the support :P
The chemical chain formula of glutamic acid, = CH2CH2COOH.
The chemical chain formula of glutimate = CH2CH2COO
If you really want to get in your face technical, I could of said YOU are fucking wrong, but I was nice about it. Technically on the basis of their chemical make-up they are NOT one and the same as you are trying to claim.
Was my warning regarding an inane comeback not clear enough?????
The difference is a hydrogen atom. I know that. As you even stated, they are considered damn near the same by scientists. That's a fucking fact Wulf. MSG is glutamate with a sodium ion. I already know this. What I also know is you don't ferment glutamic acid to get glutamate.
Don't play holier than thou with me on chemistry either. I understand this whole thing just fine. I don't need your extended explaination so stuff it.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Wulf on September 08, 2015, 05:39:36 PM
Post by: Wulf on September 08, 2015, 05:39:36 PM
As I stated over and over you have to break down the glumatic acid through fermentation to form glutamate.Quote from: "Renee"
This statement ^^^ is incorrect. You don't have to ferment glutamic acid to form glutamate. For all intents and purposes, glatamic acid = glutamate. Glutamic Acid, or its ionic form, Glutamate is glutamic acid in it's ionic form meaning it has a mineral ion such as sodium. You do NOT need fermentation to produce glutamate as it is produced naturally all over the damn place.
Back in the day, it was EXTRACTED from seaweed broth. These days, it is made from fermentation, however fermentation is not required to make MSG nor is it required to make glutamate.
The white crystallized power we know as MSG (glutamate) is made by by submerged bacterial fermentation of carbohydrates. Before the 1950s hydroclorhic acid was used to extract the glumatic salt.
Glutamte in it's free form is found in a wide variety of foods but in order to separate it as a crystalline salt (monsodium glutimate) the host vegetable protein, seaweed, etc MUST be fermented.
Glumatic acid and glutimate are not exactly the same thing. They are chemical names for similar substances. Because of their similarities in function lazy chemists will often use the names interchangeably.
The chemical chain formula of glutamic acid, = CH2CH2COOH.
The chemical chain formula of glutimate = CH2CH2COO
As you can see glutimate loses one of it's hydrogen atoms which make it similar but different. Not only does glutimate lose a hydrogen ion but when extracted as in the making of MSG, it gets a mineral ion attached to it. If the mineral ion is salt, the glutamic acid becomes sodium glutamate. In the case of potassium, the glutamic acid becomes potassium glutamate.
In essence Renee and you are both correct. Hopefully that puts an end to this retarded discussion but if I know anything about women, one of you will find something, no matter how inane, to come back with.
No, in essence we aren't. I fully understand the difference between the acid and the salt. I understand and stated MSG is made from a fermentation process. You have reiterated what I have said. Thanks for the support :P
The chemical chain formula of glutamic acid, = CH2CH2COOH.
The chemical chain formula of glutimate = CH2CH2COO
If you really want to get in your face technical, I could of said YOU are fucking wrong, but I was nice about it. Technically on the basis of their chemical make-up they are NOT one and the same as you are trying to claim.
Was my warning regarding an inane comeback not clear enough?????
The difference is a hydrogen atom. I know that. As you even stated, they are considered damn near the same by scientists. That's a fucking fact Wulf. MSG is glutamate with a sodium ion. I already know this. What I also know is you don't ferment glutamic acid to get glutamate.
Don't play holier than thou with me on chemistry either. I understand this whole thing just fine. I don't need your extended explaination so stuff it.
Okay we are going to try this one more time because sorry, but you don't know everything that you think you know.
Tell me smarty pants, just how does glumatic acid lose that hydrogen atom?????
Well here it is whether you what to believe it or not. It loses that atom by placing the host material, in this case vegetable protein, into a base solution of 7.0 ph with some kind of glucose and yeast. You then add heat and raise the ph level to about 7.5 ph. This releases the hydrogen atom to form the chemical compound known as glutamate.
BTW, that process, in case you didn't know, is also known as........
Okay now that we have that settled, just let me say that you are about as hard headed a woman as I have ever come across. If I didn't have sympathy for the inspector before,......he sure has it now.
Just sayin. But hey if you want to go down with this ship....be my guest.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 08, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
Post by: RW on September 08, 2015, 05:55:47 PM
A yeast and sugar aka fermentation is NOT REQUIRED for glutamic acid to release its hydrogen atom. Only a pH change is required. This process occurs naturally. What part of this are you failing to grasp?
If you don't believe me, here's a link
Feel sorry for yourself because you too are incorrect in your fermentation requirement assertion. Next time you decide to respond, BE CORRECT.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Wulf on September 08, 2015, 06:27:58 PM
Post by: Wulf on September 08, 2015, 06:27:58 PM
You are being condescending while agreeing with me. You have yet to say anything I haven't already said it didn't already know.Quote from: "RW"
A yeast and sugar aka fermentation is NOT REQUIRED for glutamic acid to release its hydrogen atom. Only a pH change is required. This process occurs naturally. What part of this are you failing to grasp?
If you don't believe me, here's a linkhttp://www.imgt.org/IMGTeducation/Aide-memoire/_UK/aminoacids/charge/
Feel sorry for yourself because you too are incorrect in your fermentation requirement assertion. Next time you decide to respond, BE CORRECT.
Is this thread not about MSG?????
In the context of the discussion, you need to convert the glumatic acid to form the chemical compound glutamate. In this case, that is done through fermentation. It seems to me that you want to go from step "A" all the way to conclusion simply because you think taking the discussion outside the context of the subject, is a way to prove yourself right.
I don't see where the discussion strays from MSG in either it's possible physical side effects or production of. Regardless of how you raise the ph, it still has to be performed in order to release that hydrogen atom and in this specific case, it takes place during the fermentation process. So when you claim that you don't have to ferment vegetable protein to form glutamate you are technically correct but under the context of this thread and as a point of argument, it really has very little relevance.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 08, 2015, 06:33:36 PM
Post by: RW on September 08, 2015, 06:33:36 PM
Glutamate is naturally occurring in the above mentioned.Quote from: "RW"
MSG is the sodium salt of glutamic acid. It used to be made from an extraction process from foods rich in it such as seaweed. Now it's made by fermenting starches, beats or molasses.
I said that on page one as quoted here. ^^^^
Keep up slappy.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Wulf on September 08, 2015, 06:49:54 PM
Post by: Wulf on September 08, 2015, 06:49:54 PM
Glutamate is naturally occurring in the above mentioned.Quote from: "RW"
MSG is the sodium salt of glutamic acid. It used to be made from an extraction process from foods rich in it such as seaweed. Now it's made by fermenting starches, beats or molasses.
I said that on page one as quoted here. ^^^^
Keep up slappy.
So now we are going to debate in circles? Did you learn that tactic from Romero?
You also claimed Renee was "incorrect" when she was speaking to the production of MSG and stated that seaweed need to be put thru a fermentation process to form glutimate. I'm not sure how you could have read that post as "incorrect" because in the context of this subject, it was 100% correct.
I suggest you go back and read because either you are jumping the gun to make yourself look like you know everything (which is normal for you) or you are just flat out confused and contradicting yourself.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 08, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
Post by: RW on September 08, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
Glutamate is naturally occurring in the above mentioned.Quote from: "RW"
MSG is the sodium salt of glutamic acid. It used to be made from an extraction process from foods rich in it such as seaweed. Now it's made by fermenting starches, beats or molasses.
I said that on page one as quoted here. ^^^^
Keep up slappy.
So now we are going to debate in circles? Did you learn that tactic from Romero?:negative:
You also claimed Renee was "incorrect" when she was speaking to the production of MSG and stated that seaweed need to be put thru a fermentation process to form glutimate. I'm not sure how you could have read that post as "incorrect" because in the context of this subject, it was 100% correct.
I suggest you go back and read because either you are jumping the gun to make yourself look like you know everything (which is normal for you) or you are just flat out confused and contradicting yourself.
Seaweed doesn't need to be fermented. Current day processes use fermentation. As the conversion of glutamic acid to glutamate does NOT require fernentation to take place, said statement was incorrect.
I suggest you read what I've written rather than repeating most of what I've said. I have said NOTHING incorrect.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2015, 04:39:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2015, 04:39:24 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2015, 07:50:42 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2015, 07:50:42 PM
My wife is from Asia and I love her cooking.Quote from: "Herman"
Ahhh, that's so sweet Herman.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 09, 2015, 08:31:34 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 09, 2015, 08:31:34 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2015, 09:03:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2015, 09:03:24 PM
I am one Asian who only cooks with fresh ground black pepper, low sodium soy sauce, and fresh lemons. I do not have salt nor msg nor fish sauce nor shrimp paste nor sriracha, etc.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We always have fish sauce in the kitchen. Does it contain msg?
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 09, 2015, 09:13:09 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on September 09, 2015, 09:13:09 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2015, 09:05:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2015, 09:05:30 AM
I am one Asian who only cooks with fresh ground black pepper, low sodium soy sauce, and fresh lemons. I do not have salt nor msg nor fish sauce nor shrimp paste nor sriracha, etc.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We always have fish sauce in the kitchen. Does it contain msg?
Is your wife Vietnamese Herman?
With Vietnamese cooking, fish sauce is nearly essential.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 11:22:09 AM
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 11:22:09 AM
I am one Asian who only cooks with fresh ground black pepper, low sodium soy sauce, and fresh lemons. I do not have salt nor msg nor fish sauce nor shrimp paste nor sriracha, etc.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We always have fish sauce in the kitchen. Does it contain msg?
Does it matter if it does?
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2015, 11:13:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2015, 11:13:52 PM
I am one Asian who only cooks with fresh ground black pepper, low sodium soy sauce, and fresh lemons. I do not have salt nor msg nor fish sauce nor shrimp paste nor sriracha, etc.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We always have fish sauce in the kitchen. Does it contain msg?
Does it matter if it does?
I thought it was bad for your health?
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2015, 11:14:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2015, 11:14:22 PM
I am one Asian who only cooks with fresh ground black pepper, low sodium soy sauce, and fresh lemons. I do not have salt nor msg nor fish sauce nor shrimp paste nor sriracha, etc.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We always have fish sauce in the kitchen. Does it contain msg?
Is your wife Vietnamese Herman?
With Vietnamese cooking, fish sauce is nearly essential.
No, she's not from Vietnam.
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 11:16:40 PM
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 11:16:40 PM
I am one Asian who only cooks with fresh ground black pepper, low sodium soy sauce, and fresh lemons. I do not have salt nor msg nor fish sauce nor shrimp paste nor sriracha, etc.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We always have fish sauce in the kitchen. Does it contain msg?
Does it matter if it does?
I thought it was bad for your health?
It's been used for over a hundred years. Science can't seem to find much of a problem with it. *shrug*
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2015, 11:18:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2015, 11:18:32 PM
I am one Asian who only cooks with fresh ground black pepper, low sodium soy sauce, and fresh lemons. I do not have salt nor msg nor fish sauce nor shrimp paste nor sriracha, etc.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We always have fish sauce in the kitchen. Does it contain msg?
Does it matter if it does?
I thought it was bad for your health?
It's been used for over a hundred years. Science can't seem to find much of a problem with it. *shrug*
Is the key moderation, like salt or sweet stuff?
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 11:29:49 PM
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 11:29:49 PM
Title: Re: Why I avoid Asian Food
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2015, 11:41:10 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 11, 2015, 11:41:10 AM
I am one Asian who only cooks with fresh ground black pepper, low sodium soy sauce, and fresh lemons. I do not have salt nor msg nor fish sauce nor shrimp paste nor sriracha, etc.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We always have fish sauce in the kitchen. Does it contain msg?
Does it matter if it does?
I thought it was bad for your health?
It's been used for over a hundred years. Science can't seem to find much of a problem with it. *shrug*
Is the key moderation, like salt or sweet stuff?
Moderation is the key to life Herman.