You have such a fascinating testimony Dove.
I was raised in religion, pentecostal. I was more atheist when I had a radical conversion in a detox rehab. I'd be happy to tell you about it...later on when I have more time lol
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I'm an agnostic, strongly leaning towards atheism. However, they could make a helluva movie out of your life.
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I'm an agnostic, strongly leaning towards atheism. However, they could make a helluva movie out of your life.
lol. I've been told I should write a book. Parts of my story you wouldn't believe.
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I'm an agnostic, strongly leaning towards atheism. However, they could make a helluva movie out of your life.
lol. I've been told I should write a book. Parts of my story you wouldn't believe.
I would likely buy it. Prolly make a good read. :thumbup:
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I'm an agnostic, strongly leaning towards atheism. However, they could make a helluva movie out of your life.
lol. I've been told I should write a book. Parts of my story you wouldn't believe.
I would likely buy it. Prolly make a good read. :thumbup:
Maybe I will write it eventually lol.
"The Road From Perdition".
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I'm an agnostic, strongly leaning towards atheism. However, they could make a helluva movie out of your life.
lol. I've been told I should write a book. Parts of my story you wouldn't believe.
I would likely buy it. Prolly make a good read. :thumbup:
Maybe I will write it eventually lol.
Save a copy for me Dove.
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Thing is....is the act of a woman taking her clothes off in front of men, or even having sex with strangers a path to perdition? Do these 'evil' and 'unwholesome' acts cause the lives of such individuals to sprial out of control?
Or is it the shame that we attach to these womens lifestyles that is the source of their emotional problems rather than the lifestyle they engage in. If they are shunned by society, then they turn away from it.
So it isn't what they do which is the real problem, but society's overreaction to them?
People that care, don't matter. People that matter don't care.
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Thing is....is the act of a woman taking her clothes off in front of men, or even having sex with strangers a path to perdition? Do these 'evil' and 'unwholesome' acts cause the lives of such individuals to sprial out of control?
Or is it the shame that we attach to these womens lifestyles that is the source of their emotional problems rather than the lifestyle they engage in. If they are shunned by society, then they turn away from it.
So it isn't what they do which is the real problem, but society's overreaction to them?
If you think my stripping was bad, wait til you read about my two broken marriages, three children from three father's and my heroin addiction lol. It's gets pretty juicy. But no....I wasn't nearly as "shunned" as you may think. Besides, more times than not, the biggest "shunners" are the highest paying customers. Boom lol. By time you make it to a strip club, things have pretty well spiraled downhill.
Ah, hypocrisy. The shield of the truly loathsome.
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Indeed.
9 Also He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: 10 "Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess.' 13 And the tax collector, standing afar off, would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me a sinner!' 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
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Thing is....is the act of a woman taking her clothes off in front of men, or even having sex with strangers a path to perdition? Do these 'evil' and 'unwholesome' acts cause the lives of such individuals to sprial out of control?
Or is it the shame that we attach to these womens lifestyles that is the source of their emotional problems rather than the lifestyle they engage in. If they are shunned by society, then they turn away from it.
So it isn't what they do which is the real problem, but society's overreaction to them?
If you think my stripping was bad, wait til you read about my two broken marriages, three children from three father's and my heroin addiction lol. It's gets pretty juicy. But no....I wasn't nearly as "shunned" as you may think. Besides, more times than not, the biggest "shunners" are the highest paying customers. Boom lol. By time you make it to a strip club, things have pretty well spiraled downhill.
Remarkable testimony you have Dove.
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Thing is....is the act of a woman taking her clothes off in front of men, or even having sex with strangers a path to perdition? Do these 'evil' and 'unwholesome' acts cause the lives of such individuals to sprial out of control?
Or is it the shame that we attach to these womens lifestyles that is the source of their emotional problems rather than the lifestyle they engage in. If they are shunned by society, then they turn away from it.
So it isn't what they do which is the real problem, but society's overreaction to them?
If you think my stripping was bad, wait til you read about my two broken marriages, three children from three father's and my heroin addiction lol. It's gets pretty juicy. But no....I wasn't nearly as "shunned" as you may think. Besides, more times than not, the biggest "shunners" are the highest paying customers. Boom lol. By time you make it to a strip club, things have pretty well spiraled downhill.
Remarkable testimony you have Dove.
People always think salvation is simply saying a "sinners prayer" and committing to some structured religious belief system. It's so not. I prayed and prayed so many times in my life and got nothing. Like I was babbling to myself. Then one day, at like three days into detox, I told God if it was real, I'm ready for it. If not...well...I'll know. But it wasn't arrogant. It was a plea. And suddenly I realized what a piece of crap person I truly am, while also having divine love and reassurance poured down over me. God answered, basically saying "Okay then, chase me". It wasn't audible. I can't explain it. I've never been the same. So as it turns out, when God said "chase me" it wasn't a request but a command...lol. so I spent the next year in a Christain/Calvinist mission studying scripture. I haven't struggled staying clean. I haven't struggled with anxiety or depression. I struggle with the flesh...but that's part of it. I never really understood scripture before. Salvation is a rebirth of the spirit, that the Lord does. Not simply a religion you sign up for. This is the part I think people have a hard time with.
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Thing is....is the act of a woman taking her clothes off in front of men, or even having sex with strangers a path to perdition? Do these 'evil' and 'unwholesome' acts cause the lives of such individuals to sprial out of control?
Or is it the shame that we attach to these womens lifestyles that is the source of their emotional problems rather than the lifestyle they engage in. If they are shunned by society, then they turn away from it.
So it isn't what they do which is the real problem, but society's overreaction to them?
If you think my stripping was bad, wait til you read about my two broken marriages, three children from three father's and my heroin addiction lol. It's gets pretty juicy. But no....I wasn't nearly as "shunned" as you may think. Besides, more times than not, the biggest "shunners" are the highest paying customers. Boom lol. By time you make it to a strip club, things have pretty well spiraled downhill.
What hasn't killed you, has made you stronger than 95% of the general population.
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I just wonder why many societies either ban or condemn naked women doing their thang, but then allow Gay Pride parades where naked men flash their genitals in front of children.
Political Correctness has created this double standard where there are one set of rules for straight people ("Oh that's no respectable") and another for gays ("That's OK.")
Admittedly, I lost all respect for the Political Correctoids on the Loonie Left when they began to espouse two different, yet contradictory standards of morality & this is imposed on the society.
This situation exists in places like Vancouver, Canada. Yet few notice or are afraid to speak up for fear of being branded as socially outcast.
I figger if one group gets theirs, the other should be able to do what they want too.
If they have a gay pride parade, then there should also be a Brazilian style mardi gras/carnival for straight people too.
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I just wonder why many societies either ban or condemn naked women doing their thang, but then allow Gay Pride parades where naked men flash their genitals in front of children.
Political Correctness has created this double standard where there are one set of rules for straight people ("Oh that's no respectable") and another for gays ("That's OK.")
Admittedly, I lost all respect for the Political Correctoids on the Loonie Left when they began to espouse two different, yet contradictory standards of morality & this is imposed on the society.
This situation exists in places like Vancouver, Canada. Yet few notice or are afraid to speak up for fear of being branded as socially outcast.
I figger if one group gets theirs, the other should be able to do what they want too.
If they have a gay pride parade, then there should also be a Brazilian style mardi gras/carnival for straight people too.
caribbean days happen every year. brzilkians have fstivals here & there.vancouver just isn't a party town. you can go to brazil for carnival - youd love it :thumbup:
Loved your salvation story dove. interesting. I'm not religious. to me, it hasn't been any effort not to get addicted to anything because I reached my tolerance for addiction by watching other people misbehave (as a kid). It wasn't inviting.
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Thing is....is the act of a woman taking her clothes off in front of men, or even having sex with strangers a path to perdition? Do these 'evil' and 'unwholesome' acts cause the lives of such individuals to sprial out of control?
Or is it the shame that we attach to these womens lifestyles that is the source of their emotional problems rather than the lifestyle they engage in. If they are shunned by society, then they turn away from it.
So it isn't what they do which is the real problem, but society's overreaction to them?
If you think my stripping was bad, wait til you read about my two broken marriages, three children from three father's and my heroin addiction lol. It's gets pretty juicy. But no....I wasn't nearly as "shunned" as you may think. Besides, more times than not, the biggest "shunners" are the highest paying customers. Boom lol. By time you make it to a strip club, things have pretty well spiraled downhill.
Remarkable testimony you have Dove.
People always think salvation is simply saying a "sinners prayer" and committing to some structured religious belief system. It's so not. I prayed and prayed so many times in my life and got nothing. Like I was babbling to myself. Then one day, at like three days into detox, I told God if it was real, I'm ready for it. If not...well...I'll know. But it wasn't arrogant. It was a plea. And suddenly I realized what a piece of crap person I truly am, while also having divine love and reassurance poured down over me. God answered, basically saying "Okay then, chase me". It wasn't audible. I can't explain it. I've never been the same. So as it turns out, when God said "chase me" it wasn't a request but a command...lol. so I spent the next year in a Christain/Calvinist mission studying scripture. I haven't struggled staying clean. I haven't struggled with anxiety or depression. I struggle with the flesh...but that's part of it. I never really understood scripture before. Salvation is a rebirth of the spirit, that the Lord does. Not simply a religion you sign up for. This is the part I think people have a hard time with.
Admirable, but all that occurs within your own mind.
Why do you attribute your revelation to a God?
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Thing is....is the act of a woman taking her clothes off in front of men, or even having sex with strangers a path to perdition? Do these 'evil' and 'unwholesome' acts cause the lives of such individuals to sprial out of control?
Or is it the shame that we attach to these womens lifestyles that is the source of their emotional problems rather than the lifestyle they engage in. If they are shunned by society, then they turn away from it.
So it isn't what they do which is the real problem, but society's overreaction to them?
If you think my stripping was bad, wait til you read about my two broken marriages, three children from three father's and my heroin addiction lol. It's gets pretty juicy. But no....I wasn't nearly as "shunned" as you may think. Besides, more times than not, the biggest "shunners" are the highest paying customers. Boom lol. By time you make it to a strip club, things have pretty well spiraled downhill.
Remarkable testimony you have Dove.
People always think salvation is simply saying a "sinners prayer" and committing to some structured religious belief system. It's so not. I prayed and prayed so many times in my life and got nothing. Like I was babbling to myself. Then one day, at like three days into detox, I told God if it was real, I'm ready for it. If not...well...I'll know. But it wasn't arrogant. It was a plea. And suddenly I realized what a piece of crap person I truly am, while also having divine love and reassurance poured down over me. God answered, basically saying "Okay then, chase me". It wasn't audible. I can't explain it. I've never been the same. So as it turns out, when God said "chase me" it wasn't a request but a command...lol. so I spent the next year in a Christain/Calvinist mission studying scripture. I haven't struggled staying clean. I haven't struggled with anxiety or depression. I struggle with the flesh...but that's part of it. I never really understood scripture before. Salvation is a rebirth of the spirit, that the Lord does. Not simply a religion you sign up for. This is the part I think people have a hard time with.
Admirable, but all that occurs within your own mind.
Why do you attribute your revelation to a God?
She's changed, she's a better person. It doesn't matter who she wants to give the credit to.
God helped me be a better person as well by exposing me to such rampant hypocrisy that I realised religion was a crock of shit.
Thanks God!
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Thing is....is the act of a woman taking her clothes off in front of men, or even having sex with strangers a path to perdition? Do these 'evil' and 'unwholesome' acts cause the lives of such individuals to sprial out of control?
Or is it the shame that we attach to these womens lifestyles that is the source of their emotional problems rather than the lifestyle they engage in. If they are shunned by society, then they turn away from it.
So it isn't what they do which is the real problem, but society's overreaction to them?
If you think my stripping was bad, wait til you read about my two broken marriages, three children from three father's and my heroin addiction lol. It's gets pretty juicy. But no....I wasn't nearly as "shunned" as you may think. Besides, more times than not, the biggest "shunners" are the highest paying customers. Boom lol. By time you make it to a strip club, things have pretty well spiraled downhill.
Remarkable testimony you have Dove.
People always think salvation is simply saying a "sinners prayer" and committing to some structured religious belief system. It's so not. I prayed and prayed so many times in my life and got nothing. Like I was babbling to myself. Then one day, at like three days into detox, I told God if it was real, I'm ready for it. If not...well...I'll know. But it wasn't arrogant. It was a plea. And suddenly I realized what a piece of crap person I truly am, while also having divine love and reassurance poured down over me. God answered, basically saying "Okay then, chase me". It wasn't audible. I can't explain it. I've never been the same. So as it turns out, when God said "chase me" it wasn't a request but a command...lol. so I spent the next year in a Christain/Calvinist mission studying scripture. I haven't struggled staying clean. I haven't struggled with anxiety or depression. I struggle with the flesh...but that's part of it. I never really understood scripture before. Salvation is a rebirth of the spirit, that the Lord does. Not simply a religion you sign up for. This is the part I think people have a hard time with.
Admirable, but all that occurs within your own mind.
Why do you attribute your revelation to a God?
Why do you feel the need to come in and correct another person's experience? Insecure?
I'm sorry...where did I correct you?
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You pulled the typical, dogmatic atheist approach and commented if only to make sure I "understood" that I did not experience God. Then asked me why I attach it to God. I asked why you feel the need to do this?
Typically when people do that sort of thing, it's more about their own insecurity of their own beliefs. I've listened to people discuss channeling aliens and left them to it. I don't tell people who have died and experienced things that it's all in their head. That's just a text book response that people toss out when they can't understand something or are frightened by possibilities that go outside their idea of reality. People used to think pms was all in the head.
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You pulled the typical, dogmatic atheist approach and commented if only to make sure I "understood" that I did not experience God. Then asked me why I attach it to God. I asked why you feel the need to do this?
Because you feel the need to attribute your rebirth to a god that you could not see, hear or touch.
I think that's a fair question.
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You pulled the typical, dogmatic atheist approach and commented if only to make sure I "understood" that I did not experience God. Then asked me why I attach it to God. I asked why you feel the need to do this?
Because you feel the need to attribute your rebirth to a god that you could not see, hear or touch.
I think that's a fair question.
It wasn't a question. Do you know anything about sleep paralysis?(btw, I didn't "feel the need". I had and have absolutely zero doubt. Much like everyone else who had a rebirth) the real question is why do you feel the need to invalidate other people?
It sure looked like a question to me. Had a question mark at the end and everything. Another example would be: Is it easier to believe in God than it is to believe in yourself?
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She's changed, she's a better person. It doesn't matter who she wants to give the credit to.
Actually, it does.
If you rely on a false mechanism of support, sooner or later that mechanism will collapse and leave you high and dry.
If God is an invented mechanism of the human condition, how can He really let you down though?
Well, as a construct of the human mind, he is limited to the capability of the human mind, as prodigious as it is.
He cannot, for example, cure cancer. He cannot raise the dead. He cannot, despite their fairy tales, divide an ocean in two. Now, he may, in due course, cure cancer...but the mind can do that without his involvement.
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He cannot, for example, cure cancer. He cannot raise the dead. He cannot, despite their fairy tales, divide an ocean in two. Now, he may, in due course, cure cancer...but the mind can do that without his involvement.
But it IS the mind doing these things which is where God exists. As I said, if it is the human condition anyway, isn't one just putting faith in himself/herself?
That, m'dear, is precisely my point.
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So what does it matter if one attributes it to God or not?
Its the "or not" that seems to be the sticking point.
The main issue being that if you attribute a redemption, recuperation or moral regeneration to something that does not exist, if you then lose your faith in that entity, your entire life crumbles with it.
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The main issue being that if you attribute a redemption, recuperation or moral regeneration to something that does not exist, if you then lose your faith in that entity, your entire life crumbles with it.
Ah I see. But if you do, is that not just another personal choice? You can lose faith in yourself as well which is essentially what someone would be doing.
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Thanks God!
Religion is man made hypocrisy..
Religions have dead people like Mohammed, Buddha, the virgin Mary, and Joseph Smith..
I have a relationship with God through a living Jesus Christ.
Jesus is a dead dude also. Just saying, Fash.
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She's changed, she's a better person. It doesn't matter who she wants to give the credit to.
Actually, it does.
If you rely on a false mechanism of support, sooner or later that mechanism will collapse and leave you high and dry.
Yes. Which is why I'm STILL, over a year later, not the same person. Because while YOU think you know all about my life/experiences.....I was there and am the better witness. This isn't some power of positive thought. If you want to go sound off about the mysteries of the universe according to the gospel of modern day psych....go start your own thread.
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Thanks God!
Religion is man made hypocrisy..
Religions have dead people like Mohammed, Buddha, the virgin Mary, and Joseph Smith..
I have a relationship with God through a living Jesus Christ.
Religion is spiritual adultery.
Psych really screws people up.
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Thing is....is the act of a woman taking her clothes off in front of men, or even having sex with strangers a path to perdition? Do these 'evil' and 'unwholesome' acts cause the lives of such individuals to sprial out of control?
Or is it the shame that we attach to these womens lifestyles that is the source of their emotional problems rather than the lifestyle they engage in. If they are shunned by society, then they turn away from it.
So it isn't what they do which is the real problem, but society's overreaction to them?
If you think my stripping was bad, wait til you read about my two broken marriages, three children from three father's and my heroin addiction lol. It's gets pretty juicy. But no....I wasn't nearly as "shunned" as you may think. Besides, more times than not, the biggest "shunners" are the highest paying customers. Boom lol. By time you make it to a strip club, things have pretty well spiraled downhill.
Remarkable testimony you have Dove.
People always think salvation is simply saying a "sinners prayer" and committing to some structured religious belief system. It's so not. I prayed and prayed so many times in my life and got nothing. Like I was babbling to myself. Then one day, at like three days into detox, I told God if it was real, I'm ready for it. If not...well...I'll know. But it wasn't arrogant. It was a plea. And suddenly I realized what a piece of crap person I truly am, while also having divine love and reassurance poured down over me. God answered, basically saying "Okay then, chase me". It wasn't audible. I can't explain it. I've never been the same. So as it turns out, when God said "chase me" it wasn't a request but a command...lol. so I spent the next year in a Christain/Calvinist mission studying scripture. I haven't struggled staying clean. I haven't struggled with anxiety or depression. I struggle with the flesh...but that's part of it. I never really understood scripture before. Salvation is a rebirth of the spirit, that the Lord does. Not simply a religion you sign up for. This is the part I think people have a hard time with.
Admirable, but all that occurs within your own mind.
Why do you attribute your revelation to a God?
She's changed, she's a better person. It doesn't matter who she wants to give the credit to.
Well it does to people who are driven to stay within the bounds of their perceived reality. The minute anyone has a story that challanges their world view....they bust in like communist liberal Kool aid men and try to beat you back in your place. Lol. You can get better and find peace and experience God THIER way. People who think like this are the real reason we don't understand the universe as well as we could. Also, the idea of being accountable to God inspires fear. So, if what I'm saying is true, the idea of God being real has to be considered. People don't like that.
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Thanks God!
Religion is man made hypocrisy..
Religions have dead people like Mohammed, Buddha, the virgin Mary, and Joseph Smith..
I have a relationship with God through a living Jesus Christ.
Yes Fash, I know your type. I have to say that real Christians are some of the nicest people I know. But I was exposed to Catholicism. I thank God for showing me that hypocrisy.
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Thanks God!
Religion is man made hypocrisy..
Religions have dead people like Mohammed, Buddha, the virgin Mary, and Joseph Smith..
I have a relationship with God through a living Jesus Christ.
Yes Fash, I know your type. I have to say that real Christians are some of the nicest people I know. But I was exposed to Catholicism. I thank God for showing me that hypocrisy.
I'm really glad I wasn't never exposed to catholism in any serious way. We have a handful in our community that call themselves "recovering catholics". Hardcored, structured religionists, don't have much positive things to say about us "reformed" or calvanist. I had a Catholic tell me I was in a satanic cult if I don't believe in works salvation.
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Thanks God!
Religion is man made hypocrisy..
Religions have dead people like Mohammed, Buddha, the virgin Mary, and Joseph Smith..
I have a relationship with God through a living Jesus Christ.
Yes Fash, I know your type. I have to say that real Christians are some of the nicest people I know. But I was exposed to Catholicism. I thank God for showing me that hypocrisy.
I'm really glad I wasn't never exposed to catholism in any serious way. We have a handful in our community that call themselves "recovering catholics". Hardcored, structured religionists, don't have much positive things to say about us "reformed" or calvanist. I had a Catholic tell me I was in a satanic cult if I don't believe in works salvation.
I identify myself as a recovering Catholic :)
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Thanks God!
Religion is man made hypocrisy..
Religions have dead people like Mohammed, Buddha, the virgin Mary, and Joseph Smith..
I have a relationship with God through a living Jesus Christ.
Yes Fash, I know your type. I have to say that real Christians are some of the nicest people I know. But I was exposed to Catholicism. I thank God for showing me that hypocrisy.
I'm really glad I wasn't never exposed to catholism in any serious way. We have a handful in our community that call themselves "recovering catholics". Hardcored, structured religionists, don't have much positive things to say about us "reformed" or calvanist. I had a Catholic tell me I was in a satanic cult if I don't believe in works salvation.
I identify myself as a recovering Catholic :)
Amen :)
Yanno what I found so sad and offensive about the pope? Everyone praising him because he has decided to "allow" women who have had abortions to be forgiven. First, Jesus is the only mediator and He forgives regardless of a bishop or pope.Those women do not need a pope or any human to be forgiven. They limit the power of Christ's atonement. It's all about control, it seems. According to the gospel no man, nothing, has the power to "excommunicate" a person from the body of Christ. It hurts my heart when people buy into this. I feel catholic doctrine is not only heretical....but abusive and divisive in the wrong, corrupt ways. It awesome when you see people enter into grace, assurance and relationship with God.
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He became flesh, so I can understand your confusion,
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Forgiveness for abortion already happened within the Catholic Church but you had to go to a Bishop to be forgiven for it as it is seen as a grave sin. He has allowed priests to hear the confessions and offer forgiveness.
People choose to be a part of religion and in doing so they choose the processes that come with it including the process for confession whereby you vocalize your sins and are offered absolution. I find it offensive to read things like Catholicism is heretical as it shows a lack of tolerance for those who have chosen that path to a relationship with God and Jesus.
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He became flesh, so I can understand your confusion,
I saw this answer coming. :)
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Forgiveness for abortion already happened within the Catholic Church but you had to go to a Bishop to be forgiven for it as it is seen as a grave sin. He has allowed priests to hear the confessions and offer forgiveness.
People choose to be a part of religion and in doing so they choose the processes that come with it including the process for confession whereby you vocalize your sins and are offered absolution. I find it offensive to read things like Catholicism is heretical as it shows a lack of tolerance for those who have chosen that path to a relationship with God and Jesus.
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Thanks God!
My brain just broke. BTW forgiveness happened when Christ said "it is finished". Not when the RC said so. Just sayin.
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Forgiveness for abortion already happened within the Catholic Church but you had to go to a Bishop to be forgiven for it as it is seen as a grave sin. He has allowed priests to hear the confessions and offer forgiveness.
People choose to be a part of religion and in doing so they choose the processes that come with it including the process for confession whereby you vocalize your sins and are offered absolution. I find it offensive to read things like Catholicism is heretical as it shows a lack of tolerance for those who have chosen that path to a relationship with God and Jesus.
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Thanks God!
My brain just broke. BTW forgiveness happened when Christ said "it is finished". Not when the RC said so. Just sayin.
The hypocrisy came from the membership. The judgmentalness of the membership turned me off. It's not limited to Catholicism either. In my personal journey, I found Catholicism to be a crock of shit, however, I don't look down my nose at those who don't because it would be applying the very same judgment I dislike.
I just don't understand who you are to dictate someone's path to God and Jesus.
Okay I'm out of this. I'm not having some silly hypocritical argument where you get to speak your mind but then police the way I speak mine. At least my "judgement" is based on what Christ Himself has said. I don't "look down my nose" at anyone. You are the one who took it there. You aren't the only person on the planet allowed to have a valid opinion. So SORRY I agreed with you and somehow still put you on high horse tangent about how to judge people properly.
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I'm sorry if I disagree with you that Catholicism is heretical. You've made my point as to why I avoid all religious shit including Christianity because it's all rife with hypocrisy. Your hypocrisy is no better than anyone else's.
Sorry.
Neither is yours.
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He became flesh, so I can understand your confusion,
No confusion, here.
Here is the part about this that has me shm. Rw is allowed to say the rag is moist. But don't say it's wet....because that's wrong of you. I just don't get it. Lol. I think it's more personal. I'm a passionate person. But passionate about things she doesn't like or agree with....so she had to judge my character over it. No one in my life has ever accused me of looking down my nose at people. Wow. Lol. And because I stand against the bible being used as a tool for THAT reason. Any teaching that claims to follow Christ....and then puts levels on sin and requires you to go before a bishop for forgiveness is a heresy. It is the definition of heresy. This is not my "opinion". If they were following some other belief system that taught that....it wouldn't be. Get it? Heresy is going outside of Scripture. But whatever. I'm just being a snob. Lol.
I'm staying out of this lest I restart suggestions that god freaks are fruitloops, Dove.
I've got no D.o.g in this fight. ac_biggrin
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Where did I accuse you of looking down your nose at anyone? I said that I don't. I didn't say you do.
Sorry Dove. Nothing personal but once you boil it down, it's all the same shit to me. One says the other is wrong and bad. :s0451:
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Heresy is going outside of orthodox religious/church dogma. Don't you guys state that Christianity is not a "religion" or about "church" but rather a relationship with Jesus whereby you live your life according to his teachings?
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Where did I accuse you of looking down your nose at anyone? I said that I don't. I didn't say you do.
Sorry Dove. Nothing personal but once you boil it down, it's all the same shit to me. One says the other is wrong and bad. :s0451:
People create dangerous cults when they start going outside of Scripture. We are supposed to be able to discern truth from error. If a person claims to follow Christ but goes against what Christ teaches...well...you know that person isn't really following Christ. Otherwise, Hilter is Christian because he claimed to be. The only ones that don't look down their nose are ones who know scripture, and know it well....and understand.
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Heresy is going outside of orthodox religious/church dogma. Don't you guys state that Christianity is not a "religion" or about "church" but rather a relationship with Jesus whereby you live your life according to his teachings?
Well His teaching is that born again believers ARE the church. It's not some establishment. And Christ is the head. Structured religions twist this. Going outside the teachings of Christ, teaching false doctrines is heresy.
"We are supposed to be able to discern truth from error." lol
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Where did I accuse you of looking down your nose at anyone? I said that I don't. I didn't say you do.
Sorry Dove. Nothing personal but once you boil it down, it's all the same shit to me. One says the other is wrong and bad. :s0451:
People create dangerous cults when they start going outside of Scripture. We are supposed to be able to discern truth from error. If a person claims to follow Christ but goes against what Christ teaches...well...you know that person isn't really following Christ. Otherwise, Hilter is Christian because he claimed to be. The only ones that don't look down their nose are ones who know scripture, and know it well....and understand.
I see it all as being rather cult like if I'm to be honest.
You could really say the same thing about any belief system. I've met militant atheist who made Jim Jones look sane. I've met secular humanists who literally foam at the mouth if you dare xhallange them. I'm pretty happy and have plenty of personal freedom where I'm at.
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Heresy is going outside of orthodox religious/church dogma. Don't you guys state that Christianity is not a "religion" or about "church" but rather a relationship with Jesus whereby you live your life according to his teachings?
Well His teaching is that born again believers ARE the church. It's not some establishment. And Christ is the head. Structured religions twist this. Going outside the teachings of Christ, teaching false doctrines is heresy.
To be heresy, you pretty much have to go against what religion says.
http://i.word.com/idictionary/heresy
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Heresy is going outside of orthodox religious/church dogma. Don't you guys state that Christianity is not a "religion" or about "church" but rather a relationship with Jesus whereby you live your life according to his teachings?
Well His teaching is that born again believers ARE the church. It's not some establishment. And Christ is the head. Structured religions twist this. Going outside the teachings of Christ, teaching false doctrines is heresy.
To be heresy, you pretty much have to go against what religion says.
http://i.word.com/idictionary/heresy
It goes against what the Bible says. This is how Christians define heresy.
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I don't think I could say that about any belief system although in addition to religion I'd throw feminism in there.
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Heresy is going outside of orthodox religious/church dogma. Don't you guys state that Christianity is not a "religion" or about "church" but rather a relationship with Jesus whereby you live your life according to his teachings?
Well His teaching is that born again believers ARE the church. It's not some establishment. And Christ is the head. Structured religions twist this. Going outside the teachings of Christ, teaching false doctrines is heresy.
To be heresy, you pretty much have to go against what religion says.
http://i.word.com/idictionary/heresy
It goes against what the Bible says. This is how Christians define heresy.
I like to stick with what the dictionary says as it is the authority on defining words.
That said, Christians belief that anyone who follows any church teachings that don't jive with their own as heretics?
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
No. Again, heresy is going outside of the bible. If a church is teaching a false, unbiblical doctrine...it's heresy. The bible is the authority. Not a church. See what I'm saying? It is intended this way to keep people accountable to scripture. So that you don't have people like Jim Jones running all over. It's to keep the gospel spreading and preserved and not added to.
Honestly I feel if you actually want to understand what I'm saying, you should talk to Fash. She has a softer approach that I think you'll receive more than my balls to the wall testify way. I seem to stimulate you into debates. But her and I both follow scripture and use it as our spiritual authority....so I'm sure she'll explain this to you better than I can.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
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I already understand it. I just like to debate with you :)
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
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I already understand it. I just like to debate with you :)
butt hole :P
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Why would I "testify" a falsehood like that? I'm not like you people.
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Why would I "testify" a falsehood like that? I'm not like you people.
I know. I own my falsehoods lol.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Now I'm having an outburst of laughter! :laugh:
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Why would I "testify" a falsehood like that? I'm not like you people.
I know. I own my falsehoods lol.
Not really. You've gotten cornered in this OP debate about what constitutes spirituality, religion, heresy as you see it, and all based on a compilation of rewritten works of fiction selectively added to and subtracted from revisions over the course of 2,000 years you weren't alive and even had you been, never privy to the machinations and full range of characters behind them.
That's why I laughed out loud.
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Now I'm having an outburst of laughter! :laugh:
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Why would I "testify" a falsehood like that? I'm not like you people.
I know. I own my falsehoods lol.
Not really. You've gotten cornered in this OP debate about what constitutes spirituality, religion, heresy as you see it, and all based on a compilation of rewritten works of fiction selectively added to and subtracted from revisions over the course of 2,000 years you weren't alive and even had you been, never privy to the machinations and full range of characters behind them.
That's why I laughed out loud.
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Now I'm having an outburst of laughter! :laugh:
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Are you expecting me to take you seriously?
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Why would I "testify" a falsehood like that? I'm not like you people.
I know. I own my falsehoods lol.
Not really. You've gotten cornered in this OP debate about what constitutes spirituality, religion, heresy as you see it, and all based on a compilation of rewritten works of fiction selectively added to and subtracted from revisions over the course of 2,000 years you weren't alive and even had you been, never privy to the machinations and full range of characters behind them.
That's why I laughed out loud.
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Now I'm having an outburst of laughter! :laugh:
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Are you expecting me to take you seriously?
I couldn't give two molten rat shits in a church steeple what you take away with you or not, to be frank.
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Why would I "testify" a falsehood like that? I'm not like you people.
I know. I own my falsehoods lol.
Not really. You've gotten cornered in this OP debate about what constitutes spirituality, religion, heresy as you see it, and all based on a compilation of rewritten works of fiction selectively added to and subtracted from revisions over the course of 2,000 years you weren't alive and even had you been, never privy to the machinations and full range of characters behind them.
That's why I laughed out loud.
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Now I'm having an outburst of laughter! :laugh:
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Are you expecting me to take you seriously?
I couldn't give two molten rat shits in a church steeple what you take away with you or not, to be frank.
So what's your point? No puppies to kick or children to torment today?
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Why would I "testify" a falsehood like that? I'm not like you people.
I know. I own my falsehoods lol.
Not really. You've gotten cornered in this OP debate about what constitutes spirituality, religion, heresy as you see it, and all based on a compilation of rewritten works of fiction selectively added to and subtracted from revisions over the course of 2,000 years you weren't alive and even had you been, never privy to the machinations and full range of characters behind them.
That's why I laughed out loud.
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need some attention?
No. It was just a laugh outburst and not an invite.
Have you admitted you are a male yet?
Now I'm having an outburst of laughter! :laugh:
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Are you expecting me to take you seriously?
I couldn't give two molten rat shits in a church steeple what you take away with you or not, to be frank.
So what's your point? No puppies to kick or children to torment today?
My irrefutable point was made earlier after you all but begged me to chime in despite my intention to remain aloof on the topic of your faith based insanity.
Anything beyond that is just me messing with your delicate and fractured concept of reality for my personal poos and chuckles. ac_razz
Not really. You were dropping snarkey nonsense in thread for absolutely no reason until you were validated. You will have to do better than the standard text book atheist reaction to other belief systems because these have been pretty well worn out. Being painfully tedious and bigoted isn't so much messing with anyone.
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How so? I stated that I didn't want to get involved after reading it. That was my opinion, I stated it, I moved on. The snark commenced when you made a ridiculous comment about me wanting attention as well as your assertion that I am anything other than a dyed in the wool female. Two unrelated slanders to the topic matter, mind you.
Even a laugh outburst on my part to something you said was too much for you to take at face value. You obviously wanted to assail others with your perverse cult beliefs while blaming the same people for spurring your outbursts.
I didn't ask for this nor do I care for your validation one way or another, as noted by the molten steeple rat shit quip, yet here you are again full of holy wine, piss, vinegar, and two massive pubic hairs shaped like a cross up your bottom.
Let it go, Dove.
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You will have to do better than the standard text book atheist reaction to other belief systems because these have been pretty well worn out. Being painfully tedious and bigoted isn't so much messing with anyone.
Did you just have the audacity to label my points worn out, tedious, and bigoted? ac_toofunny
Pot, meet Kettle.
Again, let it go. I'm beyond Atheism and far beyond faith based duping. Turn a cheek, rub one out to visions of Jesus teabagging you in the Celeste, or whatever you nutters do. I don't ultimately care. Suit yourself.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
I mean you have an awful lot of nothing to say about something you keep saying you don't care about. There are many topics on this forum I don't care about...so thusly, I don't read them.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
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An awful lot of nothing to say about a book worshiping cult? Are you right in the head?
All I've done is successfully point out that your faith based system IS based on nothing since the very authors and editors of your sole recorded history of such pitiful fiction have constantly been in a state of flux, reinterpretation, and censorship across many nations and societies.
Granted it's a solid shot across the bow of the good ship god lollipop but it hardly amounts to an awful lot of anything besides logic and sanity.
But why read anything which doesn't agree with you or your rigid beliefs, huh?
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
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Quick, somebody ask her if she celebrates Halloween, Santa Claus, or eats chocolate eggs during Easter and put her out of her misery.
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She's changed, she's a better person. It doesn't matter who she wants to give the credit to.
Actually, it does.
If you rely on a false mechanism of support, sooner or later that mechanism will collapse and leave you high and dry.
Yes. Which is why I'm STILL, over a year later, not the same person. Because while YOU think you know all about my life/experiences.....I was there and am the better witness. This isn't some power of positive thought. If you want to go sound off about the mysteries of the universe according to the gospel of modern day psych....go start your own thread.
If Dove feels that religion makes her feel better about herself & helps her get through the day, I see nothing wrong with that.
However, I'm not entirely sure what she feels she may be atoning for.
Perhaps she was tortured by personal demons, unpleasant memories or addictions so she had to find a way to cope.
Nothing wrong with that. I suppose it's not just a set of scriptures, but her fellow believers who provide her with support.
So it gives her the strength to stay with her faith.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
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Quick, somebody ask her if she celebrates Halloween, Santa Claus, or eats chocolate eggs during Easter and put her out of her misery.
No I don't make a fuss over those. But right now, Rosh Hashanah is going on....and the 23rd is another Holy day. I'm not miserable at all :) don't project. I'd rather be dead than be an intolerant commy lib.
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She's changed, she's a better person. It doesn't matter who she wants to give the credit to.
Actually, it does.
If you rely on a false mechanism of support, sooner or later that mechanism will collapse and leave you high and dry.
Yes. Which is why I'm STILL, over a year later, not the same person. Because while YOU think you know all about my life/experiences.....I was there and am the better witness. This isn't some power of positive thought. If you want to go sound off about the mysteries of the universe according to the gospel of modern day psych....go start your own thread.
If Dove feels that religion makes her feel better about herself & helps her get through the day, I see nothing wrong with that.
However, I'm not entirely sure what she feels she may be atoning for.
Perhaps she was tortured by personal demons, unpleasant memories or addictions so she had to find a way to cope.
Nothing wrong with that. I suppose it's not just a set of scriptures, but her fellow believers who provide her with support.
So it gives her the strength to stay with her faith.
I'm curious about your perspective? Do you think I'm in some constant penace?
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
So then I would have been considered a heretic.
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She's changed, she's a better person. It doesn't matter who she wants to give the credit to.
Actually, it does.
If you rely on a false mechanism of support, sooner or later that mechanism will collapse and leave you high and dry.
Yes. Which is why I'm STILL, over a year later, not the same person. Because while YOU think you know all about my life/experiences.....I was there and am the better witness. This isn't some power of positive thought. If you want to go sound off about the mysteries of the universe according to the gospel of modern day psych....go start your own thread.
If Dove feels that religion makes her feel better about herself & helps her get through the day, I see nothing wrong with that.
However, I'm not entirely sure what she feels she may be atoning for.
Perhaps she was tortured by personal demons, unpleasant memories or addictions so she had to find a way to cope.
Nothing wrong with that. I suppose it's not just a set of scriptures, but her fellow believers who provide her with support.
So it gives her the strength to stay with her faith.
I'm curious about your perspective? Do you think I'm in some constant penace?
Not sure. I don't know you well enough. I try not to judge people too much, just sort out the facts, then decide.
However, I'm not of the opinion that having been an exotic dancer alone was itself a sin.
It's just our culture attaches sin to those acts.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
So then I would have been considered a heretic.
Fash? Was I heretic by going to a priest to confess my sins, asking forgiveness and doing my penance?
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
So then I would have been considered a heretic.
Fash? Was I heretic by going to a priest to confess my sins, asking forgiveness and doing my penance?
If you were raised strict Roman Catholic as I was, NOT confessing, would have been considered heretical.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
So then I would have been considered a heretic.
Fash? Was I heretic by going to a priest to confess my sins, asking forgiveness and doing my penance?
If you were raised strict Roman Catholic as I was, NOT confessing, would have been considered heretical.
I went to Catholic school and served on the altar at church for many many Sundays. Never have I heard of confession as being heretical in my entire life.
I had a grandfather who was a devout Christian. He went to Church regularly and prayed regularly.
He told me as young man he found salvation through Jesus after he became disillusioned with the lifestyles of friends who became immersed in gambling, drinking and whoring. So he decided that was no life for him. He raised a family during the tough times of the Great Depression and World War II. He lost many family members during the War and a son. So its not difficult to see why he turned to religion to provide him with strength to get through the tough times.
Outwardly, he seemed like such a happy, cheerful man with a bright smile, but after reading the diary of his life, I realized what a difficult, impoverished and sad life he had. Many of us including myself take so much for granted. We have it good today as a result of the sacrifices our grandparents and parents made for us. I think if we had to grow up in difficult times like that, we wouldn't be dissing religion as much as we do or putting others down who turn to it for guidance and spiritual renewal.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
So then I would have been considered a heretic.
Fash? Was I heretic by going to a priest to confess my sins, asking forgiveness and doing my penance?
If you were raised strict Roman Catholic as I was, NOT confessing, would have been considered heretical.
I went to Catholic school and served on the altar at church for many many Sundays. Never have I heard of confession as being heretical in my entire life.
Because it is NOT heretical and neither is the rosary of pagan origin. The rosary is attributed to 9th century Irish
I know it's not.
I love and hate talking religion all at the same time.
So this rosary thingy has nothing to do with anal beads for Jesus's boyfriends huh?
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I love and hate talking religion all at the same time.
You seem like someone who constantly tries to run away from it, without realizing how beholden she is to it.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
So then I would have been considered a heretic.
if you were teaching people that was required for forgiveness, then yes, you were. So if you don't believe in any of this anyway....why the strong reaction?
Okay well if it's NOT heresy to have to obtain forgiveness via a priest, show me the scripture supporting it. Show me my error. I want to see biblical proof that Christ's atoning blood only applies after you've talked to a priest and repeated prayers to a dead woman. Then we can talk about the people who were killed by the church because they noticed all the unbiblical practices. It kinda surprises me that you hate structured religion but yet defend structured religion. It's odd. I was raised pentecostal and saw people "slaying the spirit"....which is also unbiblical....and I'm not all butthurt about it nor am I hating on people who thought it truth.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
So then I would have been considered a heretic.
if you were teaching people that was required for forgiveness, then yes, you were. So if you don't believe in any of this anyway....why the strong reaction?
So my teachers and the priests were heretics. I see haha.
Where did I say I didn't believe in something?
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You provided a quote about speaking sins out loud a few posts above.
What I find ironic is that you speak much the same as those I found at Catholic church.
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Actually, why are all these folk here on your back for being a Christian or a believer?
Is it not enough to state that you are a Christian, it's all well and done?
It was for my Grandpa and he managed to live throgu 2 world wars and the Great Depression.
I believe, therefore it is.
This thread is turnin' inta somekinda INquisition.
You mean discussion Frank. Are we not allowed to talk about things?
I'm not the one calling people of her faith heretical now am I?
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Actually, why are all these folk here on your back for being a Christian or a believer?
Is it not enough to state that you are a Christian, it's all well and done?
It was for my Grandpa and he managed to live throgu 2 world wars and the Great Depression.
I believe, therefore it is.
This thread is turnin' inta somekinda INquisition.
Well, Jesus said people would. Lol.
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You provided a quote about speaking sins out loud a few posts above.
What I find ironic is that you speak much the same as those I found at Catholic church.
I really don't know how else to explain what I said. It was pretty blunt. What I'm going to conclude is that it's not so much that I sound like whatever religious people you have issues with, but rather you are just still stuck in whatever anger or disapproval you have of them and thusly anyone of faith who touches that no no spot becomes them in your head. When Jesus died on the cross, He said "it is finished". What He didn't say was "It is finished....if a priest decides so". The idea that you need a human to absolve you of your sin is heresy. Don't like it? Oh well. The reformation happened for a reason. Talking about your sin to other Christains? That's a good thing. Going to a priest to confess and receive forgiveness? Unbiblical, man made, structured religion based in shame/guilt heresy. Now what?
I've experienced more than Catholicism in my day including Christian youth groups where they'd expect us to channel the holiness and speak in tongues and shit. I've seen more than the inside of a confessional. You ask God for forgiveness not a priest. You just vocalize and do "penance" in the form of prayer - to God.
It's all the same shit though Dove. They think you're doing it wrong. You think they're doing it wrong. I say "fuck you!" to the whole lot of ya. I don't believe for one damn second God or Jesus gives a flying fuck how you show contrition for your sins.
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Actually, why are all these folk here on your back for being a Christian or a believer?
Is it not enough to state that you are a Christian, it's all well and done?
It was for my Grandpa and he managed to live throgu 2 world wars and the Great Depression.
I believe, therefore it is.
This thread is turnin' inta somekinda INquisition.
Well, Jesus said people would. Lol.
Jesus is dead and you're sick in the head.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
So then I would have been considered a heretic.
if you were teaching people that was required for forgiveness, then yes, you were. So if you don't believe in any of this anyway....why the strong reaction?
So my teachers and the priests were heretics. I see haha.
Where did I say I didn't believe in something?
Well, yeah. They are not God, and have absolutely no power forgive sin. Or decide what sins are forgivable. But if you to support an unbiblical religion that destroys people spiritually and turns them away from God...have at it.
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It's all the same shit though Dove. They think you're doing it wrong. You think they're doing it wrong. I say "fuck you!" to the whole lot of ya. I don't believe for one damn second God or Jesus gives a flying fuck how you show contrition for your sins.
Yeah. Well that whole "who is right, who is wrong" is easily solved when you read the bible. Speaking in tongues and being "slain in the spirit" isn't biblical either, and it's heretical to say a person isn't saved unless they speak in tongues. I grew up pentecostal.
http://hbcdelivers.org/list-of-roman-catholic-heresies/ pretty much everything listed here is the list of issues every bible believer has about the RC. At least I'm not calling the pope an antichrist and referring to papal Rome as the whore of revelation....even though based on scripture it could very well be true.
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According to the dictionary, it's going against religious dogma and the "church", not "the bible".
I just want to know if you think everyone who isn't a Christian following scripture is a heretic.
No. If you aren't Christain, you are not Christain. Heresy is getting involved with scripture and changing it. Teaching heresy. Like praying to dead people when God forbids it. Or teaching salvation by works...which is unbiblical. Teachers are held to a higher standard. Jocye Myers taught heresy when she said Jesus went to hell and paid the price there, and we will go to hell unless we believe it. Make sense? If I go to a church and they are teaching drinking animal blood to be saved, they are heretics. If someone wants you to drink magic kool-aid and meet Christ in His space ship.....they are....drum roll....psychopathic heretics. Lol
So if Catholics believe in repenting for sins via confession, does that make them heretics? Are the priests who administer confession heretics?
You see...this depends. If a priest is telling you that confessing to him or any human is absolutely a must or you won't be forgiven, yes. That's false. If you are confessing simply to get it out....that's good. Scripture says to confess our sins to each other and edify eachother. However....calling a priest or any man "Holy Father" is against scripture. Jesus actually specifically said this.
There you go. Then Catholic confession is within scripture and not heretical.
it's heretical if it's forced or you are being told it's needed for forgiveness. Of course a prescription of repeating prayers to Mary with beads is not only heretical....it's pagan. So, there is a line.
So then I would have been considered a heretic.
if you were teaching people that was required for forgiveness, then yes, you were. So if you don't believe in any of this anyway....why the strong reaction?
So my teachers and the priests were heretics. I see haha.
Where did I say I didn't believe in something?
Well, yeah. They are not God, and have absolutely no power forgive sin. Or decide what sins are forgivable. But if you to support an unbiblical religion that destroys people spiritually and turns them away from God...have at it.
All religion I have ever come across has turned me off - every single one. The congregation of the RC turned me off more so than the religion itself.
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I'm aware of the RCs deviation from the word. I do think the Pope keeps Carholicism from becoming chaotic like Islam though.
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I'm aware of the RCs deviation from the word. I do think the Pope keeps Carholicism from becoming chaotic like Islam though.
Aside from the current pope kissing the koran? When people bring up "Christian violance"... they are referencing actions taken by the RC. God didn't need any help in His formula....wandering from the word is when all kinds of issues happen. Look at the message sent when they treat abortion as a worse sin, in need of some sort of special attention. It enslaves women to shame, guilt...it takes away from the spiritual freedom God intends for His church.
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I'm aware of the RCs deviation from the word. I do think the Pope keeps Carholicism from becoming chaotic like Islam though.
Aside from the current pope kissing the koran? When people bring up "Christian violance"... they are referencing actions taken by the RC. God didn't need any help in His formula....wandering from the word is when all kinds of issues happen. Look at the message sent when they treat abortion as a worse sin, in need of some sort of special attention. It enslaves women to shame, guilt...it takes away from the spiritual freedom God intends for His church.
Oh I am fully aware of Catholic guilt hahaha
I do think a church head has kept Catholicism from becoming fractured.
sigh...haven't you gals have anythin' better to talk about?
How about something more worthy...such as "How many Angels can dance on a head of a pin?"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_many_angels_can_dance_on_the_head_of_a_pin%3F
It was a hot topic in religious circles back in 1300.
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Dove"
I'm aware of the RCs deviation from the word. I do think the Pope keeps Carholicism from becoming chaotic like Islam though.
Aside from the current pope kissing the koran? When people bring up "Christian violance"... they are referencing actions taken by the RC. God didn't need any help in His formula....wandering from the word is when all kinds of issues happen. Look at the message sent when they treat abortion as a worse sin, in need of some sort of special attention. It enslaves women to shame, guilt...it takes away from the spiritual freedom God intends for His church.
Oh I am fully aware of Catholic guilt hahaha
I do think a church head has kept Catholicism from becoming fractured.
Well its not at all orthodox, biblical Christianity. I don't understand how that theology could work for anyone in any meaningful way. When people have this idea that they can contribute anything to their salvation besides their sin....they tend to get self righteous. It makes sense the congregation was like that. Churchanity does that to people. Many people have been saved out of religion as well. When those people find themselves in our congregation ....it takes them a minute to relax and stop the gasping. We keep it real. Lol. Calvanists have an effect on religious people that's interesting to behold.