Title: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 01:47:47 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 01:47:47 AM
His only major chart success was a live album set of his past hits. That was in 1972, and he's never had a hit since.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 01:51:16 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 01:51:16 AM
How this performer gets rated as high as he does beggars belief. He's had 2 hit singles, and a host of so-so albums. I doubt anyone but loyal fans could hum a few bars of any of his songs...yet he's always touted as a rock icon.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: keeper on September 09, 2015, 01:51:44 AM
Post by: keeper on September 09, 2015, 01:51:44 AM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 01:55:03 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 01:55:03 AM
Sex sells. So she plays the innocent whore to the boys and girls, mimes her concerts, can't look after her children and is generally more pest than pet.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 01:59:25 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 01:59:25 AM
Contrived by a clothes shop owner as a a reaction to the glam and soft rock of the early 80's, this gaggle of talentless twats spat and spouted their way to notoriety and fame by being simply appalling. One album was one too many. The fact that you can inspire a generation of anti-cultural misfits does mean you can make music. They did not invent punk music, just punk culture.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:03:58 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:03:58 AM
Purveyors of "thrash metal", which essentially means playing the same chords and riffs over and over, abandon any sense of melody, and scream incomprehensible lyrics while your audience performs a kind of human fission process, colliding into each other whilst not listening to a note.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:08:33 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:08:33 AM
From prog drummer to pop hummer, Phil Collins moved right into the middle of the road with a raft of cute little pop songs that rarely varied from a formula. Kudos for making a mountain of money from nothing at all...but one cannot help but think that Michael Buble was inspired by Phil in all respects.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:12:26 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:12:26 AM
Originally a blues band, FM transmogrified into an Abba inspired pop outift that kept to a safe MOR format with airy, non threatening songs that were all about love and angst, reflecting their inner turmoil; as if anyone was interested in which one of them was screwing the other.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:20:54 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:20:54 AM
Almost a legend, but moreso because his best songs were covered by others, notably "Cocaine". Credited as a unique guitar stylist, listening to his albums is often recommended as a remedy for insomnia. Outside of "Cocaine" and "After Midnight" how many J J Cale songs does anyone know? Cale typifies artists that hold mastery over their instrument, but cannot make great music.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:29:12 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:29:12 AM
When it comes to soulless, dreary even bleak and morbid songs, nobody tops REM. Michael Stipe once infamously sneered at The Beatles as "elevator music". If you were stuck in an elevator, who's music would you rather be forced to listen to? REM have released 14 albums. How many have YOU got in your collection.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:33:50 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:33:50 AM
If Eric Clapton was indeed God, then heaven would be a very dull and dreary place indeed. Clapton spent his early career jumping from band to band, developing a reputation as a guitarist...and not much else. His nickname of "Slow Hand" was not earned for his guitar playing, but for the time it took for him to tune his guitar before playing. On his own, he recorded one hit, a cover of a Bob Marley song...and outside of that, achieved very little. His best work was performed with real songwriters, like Jack Bruce, Steve Winwood and Duane Allman.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:37:01 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 09, 2015, 02:37:01 AM
I always enjoyed Neil diamond to me he had a very unique voice.Quote from: "Keeper"
I'm not claiming this list is about people who have not achieved anything...just those whos rep exceeds their actual achievement, influence or impact.
A lot of these had some success with good songs...but IMHO were unworthy of their adulation.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 04:58:50 AM
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 04:58:50 AM
1. Eric Clapton.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
If Eric Clapton was indeed God, then heaven would be a very dull and dreary place indeed. Clapton spent his early career jumping from band to band, developing a reputation as a guitarist...and not much else. His nickname of "Slow Hand" was not earned for his guitar playing, but for the time it took for him to tune his guitar before playing. On his own, he recorded one hit, a cover of a Bob Marley song...and outside of that, achieved very little. His best work was performed with real songwriters, like Jack Bruce, Steve Winwood and Duane Allman.
Um, yeah..how about Crossroads, Tears in Heaven, Layla, Change the World? You clearly missed his Unplugged album back in '92.
He has 18 Grammys. Three inductions into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He's ranked the 2nd best guitarist on Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time list. He has The Order of the British Empire FFS and you put him on a list with Britney Spears?!?
You're truly cracked.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2015, 09:12:48 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 10, 2015, 09:12:48 AM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Wulf on September 10, 2015, 09:40:20 AM
Post by: Wulf on September 10, 2015, 09:40:20 AM
Even though I like Nickelback, I hear so many people say they are overrated.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Music is like any art form. It's appeal is a highly subjective issue.
You like what you like and don't listen to self-proclaimed experts and critics.
If we all liked the same kind of music, the musical world would be like one big top-40 radio show.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Frood on September 10, 2015, 09:53:26 AM
Post by: Frood on September 10, 2015, 09:53:26 AM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 10, 2015, 07:30:06 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 10, 2015, 07:30:06 PM
1. Eric Clapton.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
If Eric Clapton was indeed God, then heaven would be a very dull and dreary place indeed. Clapton spent his early career jumping from band to band, developing a reputation as a guitarist...and not much else. His nickname of "Slow Hand" was not earned for his guitar playing, but for the time it took for him to tune his guitar before playing. On his own, he recorded one hit, a cover of a Bob Marley song...and outside of that, achieved very little. His best work was performed with real songwriters, like Jack Bruce, Steve Winwood and Duane Allman.
Um, yeah..how about Crossroads, Tears in Heaven, Layla, Change the World? You clearly missed his Unplugged album back in '92.
He has 18 Grammys. Three inductions into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He's ranked the 2nd best guitarist on Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time list. He has The Order of the British Empire FFS and you put him on a list with Britney Spears?!?
You're truly cracked.
Did you read the OP. It says OVERRATED. You've simply described how truly overrated he is.
Clapton has always generated a kind of mystique that towers above his true accomplishments. "Crossroads" was performed by Cream, not Eric Clapton. Much of Cream's sound came from Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker...yet people saw it as a Clapton band. It never was.
"Layla" was a Derek and the Dominos song. Again, not Clapton.
At the risk of being repetitive, this thread isn't necessarily about dud artists...just those who's fame is not fully justified.
Thank you for READING.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 08:21:12 PM
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 08:21:12 PM
1. Eric Clapton.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
If Eric Clapton was indeed God, then heaven would be a very dull and dreary place indeed. Clapton spent his early career jumping from band to band, developing a reputation as a guitarist...and not much else. His nickname of "Slow Hand" was not earned for his guitar playing, but for the time it took for him to tune his guitar before playing. On his own, he recorded one hit, a cover of a Bob Marley song...and outside of that, achieved very little. His best work was performed with real songwriters, like Jack Bruce, Steve Winwood and Duane Allman.
Um, yeah..how about Crossroads, Tears in Heaven, Layla, Change the World? You clearly missed his Unplugged album back in '92.
He has 18 Grammys. Three inductions into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He's ranked the 2nd best guitarist on Rolling Stone's 100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time list. He has The Order of the British Empire FFS and you put him on a list with Britney Spears?!?
You're truly cracked.
Did you read the OP. It says OVERRATED. You've simply described how truly overrated he is.
Clapton has always generated a kind of mystique that towers above his true accomplishments. "Crossroads" was performed by Cream, not Eric Clapton. Much of Cream's sound came from Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker...yet people saw it as a Clapton band. It never was.
"Layla" was a Derek and the Dominos song. Again, not Clapton.
At the risk of being repetitive, this thread isn't necessarily about dud artists...just those who's fame is not fully justified.
Thank you for READING.
Layla was written by Clapton with Jim Gordon and it really hit the stage on Clapton's Unplugged.
If you didn't ignore the 90s, you wouldn't have put him in this shit list.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 10, 2015, 09:17:17 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 10, 2015, 09:17:17 PM
Pipe down. You know nothing about music.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 09:25:35 PM
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 09:25:35 PM
Its not a shit list. Its an "overrated" list. And he is vastly overrated!!! He lacks originality, has earned reps from colleagues, and how many of his albums have you heard/owned/played. He sells because he's Clapton.His best work is with others. His most known songs are covers.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Pipe down. You know nothing about music.
Unlike you, I had Clapton's Unplugged in the 90s and I can appreciate an extremely talented guitar player when I hear one.
I find it ironic that you're claiming I know nothing about music while listing Clapton's only hit as "I Shot the Sheriff".
I don't know why you keep talking down to me when I'm up here.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 10, 2015, 09:33:36 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 10, 2015, 09:33:36 PM
"I Shot The Sheriff"
"After Midnight"
"Layla"
"Tears In Heaven".
That's it.
That warrants all that glorifying and trophies? I think not.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 09:45:02 PM
Post by: RW on September 10, 2015, 09:45:02 PM
You should see the list of guitarists that have been influenced by Clapton. It's long with some big names like Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eddie Van Halen, Slash, Mark Knopfler, etc.
You just don't appreciate a good guitarist.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 11, 2015, 12:44:52 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 11, 2015, 12:44:52 AM
Show it to me.
Although its unlikely to mean anything. I've accepted he's a good guitarist. But there are much better, who have received far less recognition.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 11, 2015, 03:30:28 AM
Post by: RW on September 11, 2015, 03:30:28 AM
Influence
Guitar solos
More comments on greatness
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Frood on September 11, 2015, 05:22:23 AM
Post by: Frood on September 11, 2015, 05:22:23 AM
At the risk of being repetitive, this thread isn't necessarily about dud artists...just those who's fame is not fully justified.
Thank you for READING.
Why didn't you call the thread Ten Most Overrated Music Performers of All Time? Britney would be perfect for that list.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 11, 2015, 11:54:00 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 11, 2015, 11:54:00 PM
Any more questions?
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 11, 2015, 11:58:03 PM
Post by: RW on September 11, 2015, 11:58:03 PM
I didn't think so.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 12:11:17 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 12:11:17 AM
Your links say the same thing...over and over again, and I'm not buying it. He's a great guitarist, as far as guitarists go. But frankly, guitar solos are usually boring, indulgent and offer nothing but virtuosity on a single instrument.
Let's compare with...say...David Bowie. Bowie played guitar, sax, keyboards and synths. He wrote most of his music. His live performances were heavy with production in terms of lighting and stage presentations. He inspired a musical genre of abstract jazz and synths with the three Berlin albums (Station to Station, Low and Heroes). He's sold millions of albums and singles.
Is Clapton more of a legend than Bowie? How about Queen? T. Rex? Pink Floyd?
Clapton played guitar. Rick Wakeman played keyboards, and was at LEAST as much of a virtuoso, and wrote his own concept albums.
Clapton aint nuthin' special...
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 01:09:48 AM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 01:09:48 AM
What you should be considering is Clapton's influence on music. That's what really counts isn't it? What music looked like before vs after an artist came into the scene. Before Clapton, rock and roll had things like saxophones or pianos in solo breaks. Clapton came alone with his guitar and pushed all instruments out of top rock spot. It was Clapton that made the electric guitar THE sound of rock music. He would get sounds from a guitar that no one had even heard before.
What status would you give to an artist who set the template for rock guitar that everyone did and still does follow even today? God?
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 01:11:27 AM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 01:11:27 AM
Yes Spec, I mean you.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2015, 01:55:21 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2015, 01:55:21 AM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 01:59:09 AM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 01:59:09 AM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2015, 02:08:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2015, 02:08:19 AM
90s stuff?Quote from: "RW"
Everything from Cream to Unplugged.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 02:11:24 AM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 02:11:24 AM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2015, 02:13:41 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2015, 02:13:41 AM
I loved Unplugged.Quote from: "RW"
One of my favourite albums.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 02:52:21 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 02:52:21 AM
Yes, Clapton is more of a legend than any you listed above in his own right.Quote from: "RW"
What you should be considering is Clapton's influence on music. That's what really counts isn't it? What music looked like before vs after an artist came into the scene. Before Clapton, rock and roll had things like saxophones or pianos in solo breaks. Clapton came alone with his guitar and pushed all instruments out of top rock spot. It was Clapton that made the electric guitar THE sound of rock music. He would get sounds from a guitar that no one had even heard before.
Chuck Berry, Bill Haley and Elvis Presley might have something to say about that.
As would George Harrison, Keith Richards and Duane Eddy (who? I hear you ask).
The Beatles played with three guitarists, none of them Eric Clapton.
Sorry. Clapton is OVERRATED.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 02:58:38 AM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 02:58:38 AM
Yes, Clapton is more of a legend than any you listed above in his own right.Quote from: "RW"
What you should be considering is Clapton's influence on music. That's what really counts isn't it? What music looked like before vs after an artist came into the scene. Before Clapton, rock and roll had things like saxophones or pianos in solo breaks. Clapton came alone with his guitar and pushed all instruments out of top rock spot. It was Clapton that made the electric guitar THE sound of rock music. He would get sounds from a guitar that no one had even heard before.
Chuck Berry, Bill Haley and Elvis Presley might have something to say about that.
As would George Harrison, Keith Richards and Duane Eddy (who? I hear you ask).
The Beatles played with three guitarists, none of them Eric Clapton.
Sorry. Clapton is OVERRATED.
And if it wasn't for Clapton, we'd still be listening to Rockabilly FFS.
There was a great quote in that link I provided that you have yet to read (and should read). It said something like "The Beatles made every boy want to own a guitar. Clapton made every boy want to learn to play it."
I don't know why you think who the Beatles played with is some marker of excellence. That has to be one of the more ridiculous things you've said in this thread.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 12:06:49 PM
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 12:06:49 PM
Yes, Clapton is more of a legend than any you listed above in his own right.Quote from: "RW"
What you should be considering is Clapton's influence on music. That's what really counts isn't it? What music looked like before vs after an artist came into the scene. Before Clapton, rock and roll had things like saxophones or pianos in solo breaks. Clapton came alone with his guitar and pushed all instruments out of top rock spot. It was Clapton that made the electric guitar THE sound of rock music. He would get sounds from a guitar that no one had even heard before.
Chuck Berry, Bill Haley and Elvis Presley might have something to say about that.
As would George Harrison, Keith Richards and Duane Eddy (who? I hear you ask).The Beatles played with three guitarists, none of them Eric Clapton.
Sorry. Clapton is OVERRATED.
Really, you sure about that?
Although he received no credit on the White Album, everyone knows that it was Clapton who played the guitar solo on "While my Guitar Gently Weeps". This has been known since the album was first released in 1968; I'm not sure why you don't.
When he was alive, George Harrison stated that fact on numerous occasions.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 12:58:31 PM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 12:58:31 PM
That makes sense given he and George were friends.
It's stuff like this that makes me view Clapton as someone whose accomplishments aren't well known enough causing people to not appreciate his contributions to the music world.
I still assert that playing with the Beatles isn't a marker of musical greatness.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 02:40:04 PM
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 02:40:04 PM
HahahaQuote from: "RW"
That makes sense given he and George were friends.
It's stuff like this that makes me view Clapton as someone whose accomplishments aren't well known enough causing people to not appreciate his contributions to the music world.
I still assert that playing with the Beatles isn't a marker of musical greatness.
I think you have to look at it in the context of the time. It was probably considered an honor by many who were lucky enough to be asked to play with them. But I'm pretty sure John, Paul, George and Ringo thought the opposite. They probably thought it was a privilege to play with a lot of the talented musicians that appeared on their albums.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 02:47:41 PM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
I have no doubt it was an honour but I still don't see it as defining excellence. I don't think records sold, hit songs recorded, weeks at number one, etc are things that necessarily define artists either. Sure those things count but I like to look a bit deeper into their influence on music and Clapton is huge in that regard.Quote from: "RW"
You are right, hits or record sales do not define the greatness or talent of a musician. Nothing illustrates that more than performers Iike Madonna, Britney Spears or Taylor Swift. Most of their appeal can be attributed directly to a record labels ability to market a product. There is very little musical talent in those three examples yet they've sold millions of recordings. There is no accounting for taste in the world of music.
Anyone who denies Claptons influence or talent as an artist IMHO has no idea what they are talking about. While I generally agree with your boyfriend's opinions on rock n roll, there have been a few times he has been way off and this is one of them.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 05:52:06 PM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 05:52:06 PM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Frood on September 12, 2015, 07:40:49 PM
Post by: Frood on September 12, 2015, 07:40:49 PM
Quite simply because I enjoy irritating you.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Any more questions?
When did you plan to start, Claptonizer?
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
Yes, Clapton is more of a legend than any you listed above in his own right.Quote from: "RW"
What you should be considering is Clapton's influence on music. That's what really counts isn't it? What music looked like before vs after an artist came into the scene. Before Clapton, rock and roll had things like saxophones or pianos in solo breaks. Clapton came alone with his guitar and pushed all instruments out of top rock spot. It was Clapton that made the electric guitar THE sound of rock music. He would get sounds from a guitar that no one had even heard before.
Chuck Berry, Bill Haley and Elvis Presley might have something to say about that.
As would George Harrison, Keith Richards and Duane Eddy (who? I hear you ask).The Beatles played with three guitarists, none of them Eric Clapton.
Sorry. Clapton is OVERRATED.
Really, you sure about that?
Although he received no credit on the White Album, everyone knows that it was Clapton who played the guitar solo on "While my Guitar Gently Weeps". This has been known since the album was first released in 1968; I'm not sure why you don't.
When he was alive, George Harrison stated that fact on numerous occasions.
And Billy Preston played piano on a number of tracks.
What is your point?
Just in case you think I'm voicing a lone viewpoint;
Interestingly, I did no research before compiling my list; it was my opinion. However, it hasn't taken me long to discover that a LOT of people agree with my point of view. Clapton was compelling in his early days, particularly with Cream, but since then has done nothing special.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 08:01:25 PM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 08:01:25 PM
I am sure there are gads of people who don't know or understand the importance of Eric Clapton. So what?
Since Cream, the guy won 18 Grammy's FFS, his most recent being for a Blues album in 2007. Some of his most identifiable work came out of the 1990s, which you still fail to acknowledge. I WAS there for that BTW.
Once you change the face of Rock music forever you don't have to keep doing it. DERP.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 08:37:30 PM
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 08:37:30 PM
Yes, Clapton is more of a legend than any you listed above in his own right.Quote from: "RW"
What you should be considering is Clapton's influence on music. That's what really counts isn't it? What music looked like before vs after an artist came into the scene. Before Clapton, rock and roll had things like saxophones or pianos in solo breaks. Clapton came alone with his guitar and pushed all instruments out of top rock spot. It was Clapton that made the electric guitar THE sound of rock music. He would get sounds from a guitar that no one had even heard before.
Chuck Berry, Bill Haley and Elvis Presley might have something to say about that.
As would George Harrison, Keith Richards and Duane Eddy (who? I hear you ask).The Beatles played with three guitarists, none of them Eric Clapton.
Sorry. Clapton is OVERRATED.
Really, you sure about that?
Although he received no credit on the White Album, everyone knows that it was Clapton who played the guitar solo on "While my Guitar Gently Weeps". This has been known since the album was first released in 1968; I'm not sure why you don't.
When he was alive, George Harrison stated that fact on numerous occasions.
And Billy Preston played piano on a number of tracks.
What is your point?
What's my point? My point is that you don't know everything. Your claim that Clapton never played with the Beatles, to me, was mind boggling. For someone who claims to have been "THERE" I find it hard to believe you would have committed such a gross oversight.
In other words, your criteria for the measure of who is or isn't a great guitarist is blatantly wrong and was obviously just pulled right out of your uniformed ass.
But music like any other art form is subjective and you are entitled to your opinion, just make sure you base that opinion on something that makes sense.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 08:43:58 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 08:43:58 PM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 09:00:38 PM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 09:00:38 PM
I was referring to the STANDARD Beatles line-up. The regular, permanent members of the band. They were changing the face of music long before Clapton was declared God-like. Playing on one song does not mean Clapton was a Beatle. Harrison invited Clapton to play the solo because they were friends. To suggest that he somehow influenced the Beatles because of one solo is fatuous.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Oh bollocks you were. You said only three people ever played with the Beatles and Clapton wasn't one of them. Don't sit there flapping on the deck trying to wiggle your way out of your error now.
No one claimed Clapton was a Beatle or even influenced them. Renee simply corrected your mistake. I suggest you pull some manners out of that ass of yours and thank her for educating you with musical fact.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 09:04:40 PM
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 09:04:40 PM
I was referring to the STANDARD Beatles line-up. The regular, permanent members of the band. They were changing the face of music long before Clapton was declared God-like. Playing on one song does not mean Clapton was a Beatle. Harrison invited Clapton to play the solo because they were friends. To suggest that he somehow influenced the Beatles because of one solo is fatuous.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Squirming and scrambling to cover your ass is unbecoming and sleazy.
Just sayin.
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Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 09:42:42 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 09:42:42 PM
If you genuinely believe I was unaware Clapton played in WMGGW, then it merely shows how desperate you are becoming in propping up this overrated strummer.
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Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 09:43:11 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 09:43:11 PM
I was referring to the STANDARD Beatles line-up. The regular, permanent members of the band. They were changing the face of music long before Clapton was declared God-like. Playing on one song does not mean Clapton was a Beatle. Harrison invited Clapton to play the solo because they were friends. To suggest that he somehow influenced the Beatles because of one solo is fatuous.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Squirming and scrambling to cover your ass is unbecoming and sleazy.
Just sayin.
Erm. I'm supposed to be nice to you.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 09:48:58 PM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 09:48:58 PM
You are merely homing in on a misinterpretation of my statement. The Beatles were changing the world with THREE guitarists, none of them Clapton. This, in response to your claim that Clapton made the guitar a front line instrument. If you need to maintain that quote out of context to support your dwindling argument, well, knock yourself out.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
If you genuinely believe I was unaware Clapton played in WMGGW, then it merely shows how desperate you are becoming in propping up this overrated strummer.
Oh bullshit Spec. You didn't know. Your argument is crumbling like an over baked biscuit.
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Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 09:51:38 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 09:51:38 PM
But you know that my knowledge of music is better than that...
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Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 10:01:55 PM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 10:01:55 PM
Believe it as you will.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
But you know that my knowledge of music is better than that...
When it comes to Clapton, you seem to know sweet fuck all so I'm going on that basis.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 10:11:34 PM
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 10:11:34 PM
I was referring to the STANDARD Beatles line-up. The regular, permanent members of the band. They were changing the face of music long before Clapton was declared God-like. Playing on one song does not mean Clapton was a Beatle. Harrison invited Clapton to play the solo because they were friends. To suggest that he somehow influenced the Beatles because of one solo is fatuous.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Squirming and scrambling to cover your ass is unbecoming and sleazy.
Just sayin.
Erm. I'm supposed to be nice to you.
And your point is? I'm not stopping you from being mean to me. All I'm saying is own your mistakes when you are called out on them. If that makes you want to say something nasty to me then I feel sorry for you.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 10:14:01 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 10:14:01 PM
I have been NICE!!!
All I'm saying is that you are quoting me out of context. If you wish to maintain the delusion that I was unaware Clapton played on the White Album, go for it.
I would have thought you would know better. But, whatever you think helps your argument.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 10:14:43 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 12, 2015, 10:14:43 PM
Believe it as you will.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
But you know that my knowledge of music is better than that...
When it comes to Clapton, you seem to know sweet fuck all so I'm going on that basis.
Right.
And where were you in 1965?
1975?
1985?
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 10:15:25 PM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 10:15:25 PM
I was referring to the STANDARD Beatles line-up. The regular, permanent members of the band. They were changing the face of music long before Clapton was declared God-like. Playing on one song does not mean Clapton was a Beatle. Harrison invited Clapton to play the solo because they were friends. To suggest that he somehow influenced the Beatles because of one solo is fatuous.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Squirming and scrambling to cover your ass is unbecoming and sleazy.
Just sayin.
Erm. I'm supposed to be nice to you.
And your point is? I'm not stopping you from being mean to me. All I'm saying is own your mistakes when you are called out on them.
That will happen when pigs fly! Haha
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Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
Post by: RW on September 12, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
Believe it as you will.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
But you know that my knowledge of music is better than that...
When it comes to Clapton, you seem to know sweet fuck all so I'm going on that basis.
Right.
And where were you in 1965?
1975?
1985?
I wasn't alive in 65 or 75 but I was in 85.
Where were you when Clapton rolled out Unplugged in 92?
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 10:28:37 PM
Post by: Renee on September 12, 2015, 10:28:37 PM
I was referring to the STANDARD Beatles line-up. The regular, permanent members of the band. They were changing the face of music long before Clapton was declared God-like. Playing on one song does not mean Clapton was a Beatle. Harrison invited Clapton to play the solo because they were friends. To suggest that he somehow influenced the Beatles because of one solo is fatuous.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Squirming and scrambling to cover your ass is unbecoming and sleazy.
Just sayin.
Erm. I'm supposed to be nice to you.
And your point is? I'm not stopping you from being mean to me. All I'm saying is own your mistakes when you are called out on them.
That will happen when pigs fly! Haha
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 13, 2015, 02:22:48 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 13, 2015, 02:22:48 AM
Believe it as you will.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
But you know that my knowledge of music is better than that...
When it comes to Clapton, you seem to know sweet fuck all so I'm going on that basis.
Right.
And where were you in 1965?
1975?
1985?
I wasn't alive in 65 or 75 but I was in 85.
Where were you when Clapton rolled out Unplugged in 92?
Listening to Depeche Mode.
Who are they, I hear you ask?
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 13, 2015, 02:25:27 AM
Post by: RW on September 13, 2015, 02:25:27 AM
What makes someone overrated anyway?
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 13, 2015, 02:29:28 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 13, 2015, 02:29:28 AM
Like Eric Clapton, for example.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 13, 2015, 02:33:11 AM
Post by: RW on September 13, 2015, 02:33:11 AM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 13, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
Post by: Renee on September 13, 2015, 10:27:41 AM
So you don't see changing the fundamental sound of Rock and Roll as not exceeding the accolades?Quote from: "RW"
He's defending a position that at this point is indefensible. He keeps saying the same thing over and over with a little diversion thrown in with it. The debate has degenerated into the realm of the ridiculous.
You and I know along with about 99% of the music fans and critics of the world that he is wrong, so leave it at that. Sometimes when you think you are talking to the wall, you actually are talking to the wall.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 13, 2015, 08:06:22 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 13, 2015, 08:06:22 PM
Muffin?
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Post by: Renee on September 13, 2015, 10:49:30 PM
Post by: Renee on September 13, 2015, 10:49:30 PM
Thank you for your input, Renee.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Muffin?
Always happy to point out futility when it appears to be hidden from others.
No thanks on the muffin. I can't eat this close to going to bed. It gives me nightmares.
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Post by: Bricktop on September 14, 2015, 01:20:29 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 14, 2015, 01:20:29 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2015, 06:00:22 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2015, 06:00:22 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2015, 06:01:26 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2015, 06:01:26 AM
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Post by: RW on September 17, 2015, 04:20:02 PM
Post by: RW on September 17, 2015, 04:20:02 PM
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Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2015, 06:43:08 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2015, 06:43:08 PM
Clapton is NOT over rated. Sheesh.Quote from: "Dove"
Clapton IS overrated.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2015, 07:33:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2015, 07:33:03 PM
Clapton is NOT over rated. Sheesh.Quote from: "Dove"
Clapton IS overrated.
Nope.
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Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2015, 08:45:35 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 17, 2015, 08:45:35 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2015, 06:52:25 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2015, 06:52:25 AM
Nu uh. Nope. No way.Yup.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
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Post by: Bricktop on September 18, 2015, 07:18:26 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 18, 2015, 07:18:26 AM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 18, 2015, 10:49:00 AM
Post by: Renee on September 18, 2015, 10:49:00 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on art and music but when you start pushing your opinion as THE valid opinion, it generally leads to be you being viewed as being full of shit. Eric Clapton is not overrated and that is not just my opinion it is the opinion of 99% of the musical world and many of those opinions come from individuals that are far more qualified to give an opinion than anyone here. In fact the only real opinions that truly matter would come from Clapton's peers and I'm almost certain that none of them living would refer to Eric Clapton as "overrated".
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Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 11:33:16 AM
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 11:33:16 AM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 18, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
Post by: Renee on September 18, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
You can't argue with his opinion Renee. You need to respect the differences in opinions as it is all subjective. Clapton didn't change rock music to this day. We just believe he did.Quote from: "RW"
I know that opinions are subjective. My point is that in this case, one opinion no matter how it is presented, is not more valid than another unless it can be truly justified. In this case claiming that EC is overrated goes against the common assessment of his achievements and contribution to the industry. I don't see how an opinion that is contrary to the so-called experts can be justified without some kind of valid backing.
Just saying that "I think he is overrated" doesn't really cut it.
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Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 11:56:22 AM
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 11:56:22 AM
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 18, 2015, 12:02:35 PM
Post by: Renee on September 18, 2015, 12:02:35 PM
HeheheheQuote from: "RW"
Something funny?
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 12:46:24 PM
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 12:46:24 PM
HeheheheQuote from: "RW"
Something funny?
You say the same things I do :)
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2015, 01:09:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2015, 01:09:33 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2015, 01:10:26 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2015, 01:10:26 PM
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Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 01:26:35 PM
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 01:26:35 PM
"Clapton always brings an indefinable extra twist of fluidity to his phrasing. He's a singer too and really knows where to judiciously weave his playing into a lead vocal top-line. He can be very languid but when he wants to step it up, he channels some kind of thug mentality, he's got such fury and fire in his belly, he almost hits bum notes but his deep understanding of scales means he can play his way out of any tight corner. He's pretty sodding fantastic."
Although not released until 1966, the album was actually recorded in 1965, following Clapton's brief stint with the Yardbirds and whilst he was on the verge of forming Cream. Hackett was 16 when he first heard the album, known to fans as Beano (because of the comic Clapton is reading on the cover), and it changed his life. Clapton was already a veteran of 21.
There had been virtuoso electric guitarists before. In jazz, there was Les Paul himself, Wes Montgomery, Joe Pass and more. Black electric blues had given the world such charismatic stylists as Muddy Waters, BB King, Albert King and Freddie King. Rock and roll elevated the silvery country licks of Scotty Moore, James Burton and Carl Perkins, and the charged up R'n'B of Chuck Berry, a style extended by Keith Richards in the Rolling Stones.
And then, more or less simultaneously, three ground breaking young guitar slingers from Surrey began making waves on the London scene: Clapton, Beck and Jimmy Page. But Clapton was slightly ahead of the curve, and one reason may have to do with his near fanatical blues purism. Clapton was playing guitar from thirteen and the first music he fell in love with was American blues. A young middle class boy, he had a record player, and spent his time seeking out obscure imported vinyl to learn from.
"In England we were bombarded with pop more than anything else," Clapton once explained to me. "You had to consciously steer a path towards black soul or blues.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 01:32:03 PM
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 01:32:03 PM
"And then something happens. If you do your work and do your best to carry the burden of the past and the fellowship of the blues, so you know you've done all your research and you've studied everything you can, I think if you really love the music you'll start to express it your own way. It's almost impossible not to."
If there is a guitarist who the rock world universally acknowledges as number one, it is not Clapton, however. Jimi Hendrix appeared on the London scene in late 1966, and by all accounts his sudden emergence really shook Clapton's confidence. "You never told me he was that good!" a chain smoking Clapton complained to Hendrix's manager Chas Chandler after the American prodigy jammed with Cream at Regent Street Polytechnic.
But Clapton recovered in an interesting way, by extending his playing range. He formed Cream with two jazz players, worked with Steve Winwood in the blues soul fusion of Blind Faith and left them to play acoustic guitar as a sideman to his folky blues support act, Delaney & Bonnie, moving on from them to the fierce pop rock of Derek & The Dominoes with American virtuoso Duane Allman.
In the space of a few years
He also developed as a singer and songwriter, with a canon of absolute classics including Layla, Bell Bottom Blues and Let It Grow (as well as such sentimental ballads as Wonderful Tonight and Tears In Heaven). And he has never stopped touring and recording, with 23 solo studio albums since 1970. On the question of whether he can still be considered a significant player, his professional admirers seem united.
"He is still the best in the world, for my money," according to contemporary blues virtuoso Joe Bonamassa.
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Post by: Renee on September 18, 2015, 01:50:35 PM
Post by: Renee on September 18, 2015, 01:50:35 PM
HeheheheQuote from: "RW"
Something funny?
You say the same things I do :)
Just like twins; you're the smart one, I'm the good looking one.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 02:18:59 PM
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 02:18:59 PM
HeheheheQuote from: "RW"
Something funny?
You say the same things I do :)
Just like twins; you're the smart one, I'm the good looking one.:laugh3:
Apparently we are both dumb because we weren't "there".
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Renee on September 18, 2015, 02:56:02 PM
Post by: Renee on September 18, 2015, 02:56:02 PM
HeheheheQuote from: "RW"
Something funny?
You say the same things I do :)
Just like twins; you're the smart one, I'm the good looking one.:laugh3:
Apparently we are both dumb because we weren't "there".
But at least I have an excuse. I'm fat AND I'm an American. I'm probably lucky that I don't wear my shoes on the wrong feet.
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Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 06:15:19 PM
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 06:15:19 PM
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Post by: keeper on September 18, 2015, 07:07:20 PM
Post by: keeper on September 18, 2015, 07:07:20 PM
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Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 07:11:23 PM
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 07:11:23 PM
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Post by: Bricktop on September 18, 2015, 07:30:46 PM
Post by: Bricktop on September 18, 2015, 07:30:46 PM
Their problem is that they fall back on the same tired argument every other "Clapton Is God" advocate uses; that he developed and perfected a guitar playing technique. So?
Chris Squire developed a bass playing technique emulated by many others. Is HE a legend? Rick Wakeman's keyboard playing is mesmerising. Is HE a legend? Mike Oldfield played EVERY instrument on "Tubular Bells". Is HE a legend?
Clapton's catalogue contains sparse major works, and most of those were in collaboration with musicians of equal or greater prowess. Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker. Steve Winwood. Duane Allman. BB King. His solo works were nothing more than MOR elevator music that the faux-intelligentsia treated in the same way as art critics; "Its by Van Gogh, thus it MUST be good".
As I repeatedly ask, ad nauseum...point me to an example or body or work by Clapton that stands tall amongst, say "Ziggy Stardust", "A Day At The Races", "Dark Side Of The Moon", "Paranoid", "Who's Next", "Close To The Edge"...that is, of course, if you snotlings have even HEARD of those albums.
Clapton is a great musician, particularly a guitar player, and deserves to be recognised as such. But does his body of work warrant the accolades? Just because he can play a guitar better than most, and not as good as some?
Not even close.
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Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 07:39:13 PM
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 07:39:13 PM
Nothing to see here. Three dumbass, juvenile FEMALES trying to argue issues related to rock legends. Two are even American, ffs, and their notion of a legendary rock band is Kiss.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Their problem is that they fall back on the same tired argument every other "Clapton Is God" advocate uses; that he developed and perfected a guitar playing technique. So?
Chris Squire developed a bass playing technique emulated by many others. Is HE a legend? Rick Wakeman's keyboard playing is mesmerising. Is HE a legend? Mike Oldfield played EVERY instrument on "Tubular Bells". Is HE a legend?
Clapton's catalogue contains sparse major works, and most of those were in collaboration with musicians of equal or greater prowess. Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker. Steve Winwood. Duane Allman. BB King. His solo works were nothing more than MOR elevator music that the faux-intelligentsia treated in the same way as art critics; "Its by Van Gogh, thus it MUST be good".
As I repeatedly ask, ad nauseum...point me to an example or body or work by Clapton that stands tall amongst, say "Ziggy Stardust", "A Day At The Races", "Dark Side Of The Moon", "Paranoid", "Who's Next", "Close To The Edge"...that is, of course, if you snotlings have even HEARD of those albums.
Clapton is a great musician, particularly a guitar player, and deserves to be recognised as such. But does his body of work warrant the accolades? Just because he can play a guitar better than most, and not as good as some?
Not even close.
I did. In the paste above.
LTR.
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Post by: keeper on September 18, 2015, 08:37:13 PM
Post by: keeper on September 18, 2015, 08:37:13 PM
Yeah we are. Got a problem with that?Quote from: "RW"ac_beating
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 10:33:05 PM
Post by: RW on September 18, 2015, 10:33:05 PM
Nothing to see here. Three dumbass, juvenile FEMALES trying to argue issues related to rock legends. Two are even American, ffs, and their notion of a legendary rock band is Kiss.Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Their problem is that they fall back on the same tired argument every other "Clapton Is God" advocate uses; that he developed and perfected a guitar playing technique. So?
Chris Squire developed a bass playing technique emulated by many others. Is HE a legend? Rick Wakeman's keyboard playing is mesmerising. Is HE a legend? Mike Oldfield played EVERY instrument on "Tubular Bells". Is HE a legend?
Clapton's catalogue contains sparse major works, and most of those were in collaboration with musicians of equal or greater prowess. Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker. Steve Winwood. Duane Allman. BB King. His solo works were nothing more than MOR elevator music that the faux-intelligentsia treated in the same way as art critics; "Its by Van Gogh, thus it MUST be good".
As I repeatedly ask, ad nauseum...point me to an example or body or work by Clapton that stands tall amongst, say "Ziggy Stardust", "A Day At The Races", "Dark Side Of The Moon", "Paranoid", "Who's Next", "Close To The Edge"...that is, of course, if you snotlings have even HEARD of those albums.
Clapton is a great musician, particularly a guitar player, and deserves to be recognised as such. But does his body of work warrant the accolades? Just because he can play a guitar better than most, and not as good as some?
Not even close.
Do you see anyone calling any of the above mentioned "overrated"? No, you do not.
It's also not a contest of who is the best guitarist. It's how he changed music, which you still fail to acknowledge. As Renee said, your opinion doesn't count for much when you fail to so much as give a nod to Clapton's contribution to rock music.
Title: Re: The Ten Most Overrated Rock Performers Of All Time
Post by: Bricktop on September 19, 2015, 02:06:15 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 19, 2015, 02:06:15 AM
I ask again...name an album or body of work that stands out as a milestone in the history of rock music.
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Post by: RW on September 19, 2015, 02:13:51 AM
Post by: RW on September 19, 2015, 02:13:51 AM
Steppin' Out gets mentioned a lot as a kickin' song from the above album.
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Post by: RW on September 19, 2015, 02:20:34 AM
Post by: RW on September 19, 2015, 02:20:34 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2015, 02:37:38 AM
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2015, 02:37:38 AM
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Post by: RW on September 19, 2015, 08:12:07 PM
Post by: RW on September 19, 2015, 08:12:07 PM
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Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2015, 10:36:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2015, 10:36:39 PM
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Post by: Bricktop on September 20, 2015, 03:31:14 AM
Post by: Bricktop on September 20, 2015, 03:31:14 AM
Cat got your tongue Spec?Quote from: "RW"
Cat Stevens?
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Post by: Frood on September 20, 2015, 03:46:44 AM
Post by: Frood on September 20, 2015, 03:46:44 AM
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Post by: RW on September 22, 2015, 02:40:46 PM
Post by: RW on September 22, 2015, 02:40:46 PM
I win!