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Donald Trump's grandfather started the family fortune in an adventure that involved the Klondike gold rush, the Mounties, prostitution and twists of fate that pushed him to New York City.
Friedrich Trump had been in North America a few years when he set out for the Yukon, says an author who's just completed a new edition of her multi-generational family biography.
That Canadian chapter proved pivotal for the entrepreneurial German immigrant, says Gwenda Blair, author of The Trumps: Three Generations That Built An Empire.
"It allowed him to get together the nest egg he'd come to the United States for," the author and Columbia University journalism professor said in an interview.
"Whether he could've accumulated that much money somewhere else, in that short a period of time, as a young man with no connections, and initially not even English, is certainly ... unlikely."
In his three years in Canada, Trump opened the Arctic Restaurant and Hotel in two locations with a partner — first on Bennett Lake in northern B.C., and then moving it to Whitehorse, Yukon.
Their two-storey wood-framed establishment gained a reputation as the finest eatery in the area, Blair said — offering salmon, duck, caribou, and oysters.
It offered more than food.
"The bulk of the cash flow came from the sale of liquor and sex," Blair wrote. She cited newspaper ads referring obliquely to prostitution — mentioning private suites for ladies, and scales in the rooms so patrons could weigh gold if they preferred to pay for services that way.
One Yukon Sun writer moralized about the backroom goings-on: "For single men the Arctic has the best restaurant," he wrote, "but I would not advise respectable women to go there to sleep as they are liable to hear that which would be repugnant to their feelings and uttered, too, by the depraved of their own sex."
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Donald Trump's grandfather started the family fortune in an adventure that involved the Klondike gold rush, the Mounties, prostitution and twists of fate that pushed him to New York City.
Friedrich Trump had been in North America a few years when he set out for the Yukon, says an author who's just completed a new edition of her multi-generational family biography.
That Canadian chapter proved pivotal for the entrepreneurial German immigrant, says Gwenda Blair, author of The Trumps: Three Generations That Built An Empire.
"It allowed him to get together the nest egg he'd come to the United States for," the author and Columbia University journalism professor said in an interview.
"Whether he could've accumulated that much money somewhere else, in that short a period of time, as a young man with no connections, and initially not even English, is certainly ... unlikely."
In his three years in Canada, Trump opened the Arctic Restaurant and Hotel in two locations with a partner — first on Bennett Lake in northern B.C., and then moving it to Whitehorse, Yukon.
Their two-storey wood-framed establishment gained a reputation as the finest eatery in the area, Blair said — offering salmon, duck, caribou, and oysters.
It offered more than food.
"The bulk of the cash flow came from the sale of liquor and sex," Blair wrote. She cited newspaper ads referring obliquely to prostitution — mentioning private suites for ladies, and scales in the rooms so patrons could weigh gold if they preferred to pay for services that way.
One Yukon Sun writer moralized about the backroom goings-on: "For single men the Arctic has the best restaurant," he wrote, "but I would not advise respectable women to go there to sleep as they are liable to hear that which would be repugnant to their feelings and uttered, too, by the depraved of their own sex."
Do you really think this gossip is politics Gay Boy Bob?
prolly - obsession does terrible things to the mind
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I don't see it as even being close to political cc la femme..
This is why I moved it to the main board.
agree - it's just a person's obsession / fear at work.
Has nothing to do with anything let alone politics
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Has nothing to do with anything let alone politics
I like Gay Boy Bob, he's always been respectful and pleasant..
He gets silly at times with the politics, but so does Shen Li..
I can live with that.
He? She? Whatever it is behind the internet persona .... an imaginary persona that USED TO BE quite imaginative, entertaining and good fun in the old days
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Has nothing to do with anything let alone politics
I believe the story Bob posted is true.
Its somewhat similar to how Joe Kennedy, father of JFK, made his fortune, or at least made himself even more filthy rich - by selling bootleg booze to thirsty Americans during prohibitions.
And what do you suppose Kennedy had on board these ships or speakeasys?
Prostitutes no doubt.
Also, there's a connection between the Trump family's seedy past and Donalds obsession bagging Miss America beauty queens.
There's always dirt lining the gold facade.
You see, saints never become rich, especially in America.
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I don't see it as even being close to political cc la femme..
This is why I moved it to the main board.
... donald trump isn't political? hmmm ...
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I don't see it as even being close to political cc la femme..
This is why I moved it to the main board.
... donald trump isn't political? hmmm ...
This story is not political the shark hunter..
And I will keep this thread out of politics.
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I don't see it as even being close to political cc la femme..
This is why I moved it to the main board.
... donald trump isn't political? hmmm ...
This story is not political the shark hunter..
And I will keep this thread out of politics.
... with respect i have to disagree. it's the CBC defaming trump as being involved in prostitution, an unsavory, immoral business. and we're hearing it now because he has entered politics. it's totally political ...
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I don't see it as even being close to political cc la femme..
This is why I moved it to the main board.
... donald trump isn't political? hmmm ...
This story is not political the shark hunter..
And I will keep this thread out of politics.
... with respect i have to disagree. it's the CBC defaming trump as being involved in prostitution, an unsavory, immoral business. and we're hearing it now because he has entered politics. it's totally political ...
I value your opinion the shark hunter..
But, I do not see how the financial fortunes of someone's ancestors is relevant to their positions on policy..
I should add, that I am no fan of Donald Trump, but I guess that is political too.
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I don't see it as even being close to political cc la femme..
This is why I moved it to the main board.
... donald trump isn't political? hmmm ...
This story is not political the shark hunter..
And I will keep this thread out of politics.
... with respect i have to disagree. it's the CBC defaming trump as being involved in prostitution, an unsavory, immoral business. and we're hearing it now because he has entered politics. it's totally political ...
I value your opinion the shark hunter..
But, I do not see how the financial fortunes of someone's ancestors is relevant to their positions on policy..
I should add, that I am no fan of Donald Trump, but I guess that is political too.
... policy? it's an attack on his character, basically saying he's a PIMP, or at least his granddaddy was ...
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I don't see it as even being close to political cc la femme..
This is why I moved it to the main board.
... donald trump isn't political? hmmm ...
This story is not political the shark hunter..
And I will keep this thread out of politics.
... with respect i have to disagree. it's the CBC defaming trump as being involved in prostitution, an unsavory, immoral business. and we're hearing it now because he has entered politics. it's totally political ...
I value your opinion the shark hunter..
But, I do not see how the financial fortunes of someone's ancestors is relevant to their positions on policy..
I should add, that I am no fan of Donald Trump, but I guess that is political too.
... policy? it's an attack on his character, basically saying he's a pimp, or at least his granddaddy was ...
If his granddaddy was alive and seeking elected office then I will move any threads about him to the politics subforum.
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I don't see it as even being close to political cc la femme..
This is why I moved it to the main board.
... donald trump isn't political? hmmm ...
This story is not political the shark hunter..
And I will keep this thread out of politics.
... with respect i have to disagree. it's the CBC defaming trump as being involved in prostitution, an unsavory, immoral business. and we're hearing it now because he has entered politics. it's totally political ...
I value your opinion the shark hunter..
But, I do not see how the financial fortunes of someone's ancestors is relevant to their positions on policy..
I should add, that I am no fan of Donald Trump, but I guess that is political too.
... policy? it's an attack on his character, basically saying he's a pimp, or at least his granddaddy was ...
If his granddaddy was alive and seeking elected office then I will move any threads about him to the politics subforum.
... the location of the thread isn't an issue. but it is a political attack on trump by the federal government of canada ...
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I don't see it as even being close to political cc la femme..
This is why I moved it to the main board.
... donald trump isn't political? hmmm ...
This story is not political the shark hunter..
And I will keep this thread out of politics.
... with respect i have to disagree. it's the CBC defaming trump as being involved in prostitution, an unsavory, immoral business. and we're hearing it now because he has entered politics. it's totally political ...
I value your opinion the shark hunter..
But, I do not see how the financial fortunes of someone's ancestors is relevant to their positions on policy..
I should add, that I am no fan of Donald Trump, but I guess that is political too.
... policy? it's an attack on his character, basically saying he's a pimp, or at least his granddaddy was ...
If his granddaddy was alive and seeking elected office then I will move any threads about him to the politics subforum.
... the location of the thread isn't an issue. but it is a political attack on trump by the federal government of canada ...
I don't care about Donald Trump, but I thought you objected to this thread not being in politics?
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I don't see it as even being close to political cc la femme..
This is why I moved it to the main board.
... donald trump isn't political? hmmm ...
This story is not political the shark hunter..
And I will keep this thread out of politics.
... with respect i have to disagree. it's the CBC defaming trump as being involved in prostitution, an unsavory, immoral business. and we're hearing it now because he has entered politics. it's totally political ...
I value your opinion the shark hunter..
But, I do not see how the financial fortunes of someone's ancestors is relevant to their positions on policy..
I should add, that I am no fan of Donald Trump, but I guess that is political too.
... policy? it's an attack on his character, basically saying he's a pimp, or at least his granddaddy was ...
If his granddaddy was alive and seeking elected office then I will move any threads about him to the politics subforum.
... the location of the thread isn't an issue. but it is a political attack on trump by the federal government of canada ...
I don't care about Donald Trump, but I thought you objected to this thread not being in politics.
... nope, i don't object to the location of the topic at all, Fashionista. i trust your judgment. you're doing an excellent job ...
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I don't see it as even being close to political cc la femme..
This is why I moved it to the main board.
... donald trump isn't political? hmmm ...
This story is not political the shark hunter..
And I will keep this thread out of politics.
... with respect i have to disagree. it's the CBC defaming trump as being involved in prostitution, an unsavory, immoral business. and we're hearing it now because he has entered politics. it's totally political ...
I value your opinion the shark hunter..
But, I do not see how the financial fortunes of someone's ancestors is relevant to their positions on policy..
I should add, that I am no fan of Donald Trump, but I guess that is political too.
... policy? it's an attack on his character, basically saying he's a pimp, or at least his granddaddy was ...
If his granddaddy was alive and seeking elected office then I will move any threads about him to the politics subforum.
... the location of the thread isn't an issue. but it is a political attack on trump by the federal government of canada ...
I don't care about Donald Trump, but I thought you objected to this thread not being in politics.
... nope, i don't object to the location of the topic at all, Fashionista. i trust your judgment. you're doing an excellent job ...
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Well at least Bob has found a new obsession. I guess he has given up on his ambition of giving a hummer to Obama.
It's terrible when you see a dream crumble into the dust. :laugh3:
Bush Sr's father banked nazi money in New York City, Obama's mother conceived underage to a neighbor under surveillance by her father at the time.
What does it matter?
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....the other thing which you & your fellow Americans should not overlook be made aware of is how Donald Trump, a physically powerful and fit man in his prime, managed to avoid military service in Vietnam, Renee.
.....but possibly the most worst aspect of his character is that he derides those who served in his place in Vietnam, including fellow Republican, Senator John McCain. He also called Mexicans rapists when many Hispanics and possibly some illegal ones served and died in his place while he was chasing girls & partying it up when his country needed him.
So the story about his granpa being a whoremaster is an appropriate one, and is indicative of the corrupt and slothful values of the GOP's front runner.
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....the other thing which you & your fellow Americans should not overlook be made aware of is how Donald Trump, a physically powerful and fit man in his prime, managed to avoid military service in Vietnam, Renee.
.....but possibly the most worst aspect of his character is that he derides those who served in his place in Vietnam, including fellow Republican, Senator John McCain. He also called Mexicans rapists when many Hispanics and possibly some illegal ones served and died in his place while he was chasing girls & partying it up when his country needed him.
So the story about his granpa being a whoremaster is an appropriate one, and is indicative of the corrupt and slothful values of the GOP's front runner.
They're all scum so you don't get to rate one as any better than the other.
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....the other thing which you & your fellow Americans should not overlook be made aware of is how Donald Trump, a physically powerful and fit man in his prime, managed to avoid military service in Vietnam, Renee.
.....but possibly the most worst aspect of his character is that he derides those who served in his place in Vietnam, including fellow Republican, Senator John McCain. He also called Mexicans rapists when many Hispanics and possibly some illegal ones served and died in his place while he was chasing girls & partying it up when his country needed him.
So the story about his granpa being a whoremaster is an appropriate one, and is indicative of the corrupt and slothful values of the GOP's front runner.
And Joseph Kennedy made his fortune as a bootlegger during prohibition. Big Fucking deal.
So what's your point, asshole? Do you really think the rest of the political elite doesn't have skeletons in their closets? Don't even get me started about John Kerry's fake purple heart or Al Gore's deferment.
They all suck.
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So what's your point, asshole? Do you really think the rest of the political elite doesn't have skeletons in their closets? Don't even get me started about John Kerry's fake purple heart or Al Gore's deferment.
They all suck.
Yes, I did point out earlier how Grandpa Trump's money making venture was similar to Joe Kennedy Sr.'s bootlegging. Joe Sr. also had his bevy of whores/mistresses whom he frequented while his wife Rose staayed home like a dutiful wife to raise his 8 children. As for Joe's Kids, they disavowed his racist views and nazi sympathies, then enlisted in the armed forces to fight fascism. His son Joe died volunteering for a dangerous mission when the plane he was on exploded. His brother John risked his life in a PT boat in the Pacific. What didDonald do? He avoided military servie and then takes swipes at those who who served in his place. At least with Bill Clinto, he didn't go either, buthe never baited Latinos, and while in office tried to raise their standard of living.
The issue of Trump's military avoidance is important, because its indicative of how he'd run your country. He'd bail bail if the going got rough, leaving many of his fellow Americans out in the cold. Trumps is not a good man. Besides being a sleazy huckster, he's essentially a coward at heart. A real chickenhawk if I ever saw one. I'm not saying this because of his political affiliation or views, but his past actions of shirking his responsibility when he needed by his country.
As for Al Gore or John Kerry, at least they enlisted and wore the uniform. There service was no less orthy than servicemen who served during World War II or Korea but did not see combat. Being astute and well-read, you are aware of such individuals, aren't you? Ie - Ronald Reagan enlisted in the US armed forces and spent World War II starrring in films for the military.
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So what's your point, asshole? Do you really think the rest of the political elite doesn't have skeletons in their closets? Don't even get me started about John Kerry's fake purple heart or Al Gore's deferment.
They all suck.
Yes, I did point out earlier how Grandpa Trump's money making venture was similar to Joe Kennedy Sr.'s bootlegging. Joe Sr. also had his bevy of whores/mistresses whom he frequented while his wife Rose staayed home like a dutiful wife to raise his 8 children. As for Joe's Kids, they disavowed his racist views and nazi sympathies, then enlisted in the armed forces to fight fascism. His son Joe died volunteering for a dangerous mission when the plane he was on exploded. His brother John risked his life in a PT boat in the Pacific. What didDonald do? He avoided military servie and then takes swipes at those who who served in his place. At least with Bill Clinto, he didn't go either, buthe never baited Latinos, and while in office tried to raise their standard of living.
The issue of Trump's military avoidance is important, because its indicative of how he'd run your country. He'd bail bail if the going got rough, leaving many of his fellow Americans out in the cold. Trumps is not a good man. Besides being a sleazy huckster, he's essentially a coward at heart. A real chickenhawk if I ever saw one. I'm not saying this because of his political affiliation or views, but his past actions of shirking his responsibility when he
As for Al Gore or John Kerry, at least they enlisted and wore the uniform. There service was no less orthy than servicemen who served during World War II or Korea but did not see combat. Being astute and well-read, you are aware of such individuals, aren't you? Ie - Ronald Reagan enlisted in the US armed forces and spent World War II starrring in films for the military.
"Needed by his country"...... are out of your pea sized mind? None of the BOYS who went to Nam were needed by their country. They were wasted by their country is more like it. My father served 2 tours in that shit storm and he will be the first to tell you that anyone who avoided getting sucked into that fucked up French debacle deserves a pat on the back. So don't give me this phony holier than thou horseshit. The fact of the matter is Candians like you don't have a horse in this race so your fascination with US politics always boggles my mind. Eat shit with your faux sense of right and wrong. Who the fuck are you to judge anyone? You're just a freaking cab driver who fancies himself an intellectual because you stumbled accross Wikipedia.
I personally could care less if Trump avoided going to Vietnam. That's the least of the issues with him. Hundreds of thousands of college age kids did the same. Parents who had the means, the brains and a conscience, kept the kids out of that mess the best way they could and I fault none of them for doing so.
Trump for prez!!
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What does it matter?
My father was labelled a communist agitator as a young man during the white terror period in Taiwan..
He was imprisoned and tortured in which he still has PTSD today.
So the Trump family made their fortune the good old fashioned way haga
Well Renee, the wartime experiences related to me by Vietnam era vets contradict your account and interpretation of events. Ex-pat Americans who were drafted told me the US government took their passports away from them so they wouldn't leave the country. So, they were very much needed at the time. They were grounded, couldn't leave the country legally.
I don't like Donald Trump because on one hand, he avoided serving with several deferments, and then at the same time takes swipes at ALL Mexican people, when there is in fact documented proof that its citzens served in Vietnam. Some were promised citizenship when they got out of uniform, but then your country didn't give it to them. And meanwhile, their latino colleagues died or lost their limbs while he went out partying and whore chasing, just like his granpa did in the Yukon. What kind of deal is that? I serve, then get branded as a criminal and get treated like shit, while the guy I served for, gets all the gravy.
As for those who didn't go out of moral conviction, but then practised a life of non-violence, at least they are consistent. And there is nothing judgemental about pointing out the inconsistencies of Donald Trump's statements any more than denouncing the atrocities of slobadin Molosevic. Its just an opinion, and I haven't told you or any American how to vote. So I'm not interfering with US domestic politics.
Also there were a fairly large number of Canadians who volunteered to fight for America in Vietnam and certainly Mexicans who sought American citizenship in exchange for military service.
As far as the merits of the Vietnam War, I'm not sure myself, but I know many Vietnamese who got left behind have suffered or died at the hands of a communist regime. Its not all black and white as many historians claim. And US involvement there may have prevented the communist takeover in places like Thailand, Burma and Indonesia.
Communism is a rough ide, as many refugees who experienced have told me.
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I personally could care less if Trump avoided going to Vietnam. That's the least of the issues with him. Hundreds of thousands of college age kids did the same. Parents who had the means, the brains and a conscience, kept the kids out of that mess the best way they could and I fault none of them for doing so.
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And Joseph Kennedy made his fortune as a bootlegger during prohibition. Big Fucking deal.
So what's your point, asshole? Do you really think the rest of the political elite doesn't have skeletons in their closets? Don't even get me started about John Kerry's fake purple heart or Al Gore's deferment.
They all suck.
Ayayay, I spilled my drink from laughing! :laugh3: I agree with you, Renee. I am laughing at people with skeletons in their closet talking about people with skeletons in their closet. Classic hypocrisy and a comedy for all of time.
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My father was labelled a communist agitator as a young man during the white terror period in Taiwan..
He was imprisoned and tortured in which he still has PTSD today.
The generalissimo was a drug dealing stooge of the CIA.
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Fashionita: It's hardly 'gossip'. The author of the book has an impressive resume: Gwenda Blair is the author of the bestselling Almost Golden and has written for The New York Times, New York, Newsweek, the New York Daily News, Esquire, Smart Money, The Village Voice, and other newspapers and magazines. She lives in New York City and teaches at Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism.
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Fashionita: It's hardly 'gossip'. The author of the book has an impressive resume: Gwenda Blair is the author of the bestselling Almost Golden and has written for The New York Times, New York, Newsweek, the New York Daily News, Esquire, Smart Money, The Village Voice, and other newspapers and magazines. She lives in New York City and teaches at Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism.
Gay Boy Bob, I am not saying Ms. Blair does not have an impressive resume..
She may have, but that is not the point..
Unless Donald Trump's dead grandfather is a candidate for elected office, this thread stays out of politics.
It's gossip. Don't try to spin your way out of it.
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Teddy, not his father, not his grandfather caused "that" night's pickup girl's death .... and to save his own ass deliberately left her for hours trapped in his car under water .... to die while his lawyers helped him get his story straight before calling in the law .. or first responders,
yet I'm guessin Bobby Virtue wet himself over the thought the slob might be Pres. and all the time he was Senator
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Not Gossip:
Teddy, not his father, not his grandfather caused "that" night's pickup girl's death .... and to save his own ass deliberately left her for hours trapped in his car under water .... to die while his lawyers helped him get his story straight before calling in the law .. or first responders,
yet I'm guessin Bobby Virtue wet himself over the thought the slob might be Pres. and all the time he was Senator
If cherry picked stories about Trump's long dead grand daddy is not gossip for fools, then nothing is. If one of Teddy or Bobby's kids sought the Democrat nomination for president, we don't need to be reminded of how Joe made his fortune along with the likes of Lucky Luciano, and Meyer Lansky.
Do you think that will hurt his rep Herman?
Trump squawked for years about where Obama was born. He can handle his past.
Obama was born in Hawaii. Case closed.