A short length of pipe and a firing mechanism. ac_toofunny
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
The scaremongering by the rabid dogs in blue continues.
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Officers have uncovered more than 20 of the crude weapons, which are capable of firing 12-gauge shotgun cartridges, since February.
Not only can the guns be deadly when fired, there's a concern they could malfunction and 'blow up in someone's face'.
'I wouldn't want to fire them and I wouldn't want anyone who doesn't know what they're doing to handle them,' Superintendent Stuart Bateson told reporters on Tuesday.
The weapons were found during searches of homes and vehicles in Melbourne's western suburbs.
Made from a short length of pipe with a firing mechanism, they can easily be concealed.
There have been some links to drugs though most people caught with the weapons say it was for protection.
'I think it's about access - they're able to get these types of firearms where they wouldn't normally be able to get a proper or manufactured firearm,' Supt Bateson said.
There were no reports of the guns being used although one man had faced court for manufacturing them in his backyard.
'I've got to say, I wouldn't want him manufacturing a firearm for my use,' Supt Bateson said.
'He's not a skilled tradesman and this is one of the real problems with these types of firearms.'
Last week the Victorian parliament passed new gun laws including a firearm manufacturing offence which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment.
Anyone who finds one of the weapons should not touch it, but call police to have it safely removed.
ac_lmfao
10 years in jail, wow!!
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
The scaremongering by the rabid dogs in blue continues.
Quote
Officers have uncovered more than 20 of the crude weapons, which are capable of firing 12-gauge shotgun cartridges, since February.
Not only can the guns be deadly when fired, there's a concern they could malfunction and 'blow up in someone's face'.
'I wouldn't want to fire them and I wouldn't want anyone who doesn't know what they're doing to handle them,' Superintendent Stuart Bateson told reporters on Tuesday.
The weapons were found during searches of homes and vehicles in Melbourne's western suburbs.
Made from a short length of pipe with a firing mechanism, they can easily be concealed.
There have been some links to drugs though most people caught with the weapons say it was for protection.
'I think it's about access - they're able to get these types of firearms where they wouldn't normally be able to get a proper or manufactured firearm,' Supt Bateson said.
There were no reports of the guns being used although one man had faced court for manufacturing them in his backyard.
'I've got to say, I wouldn't want him manufacturing a firearm for my use,' Supt Bateson said.
'He's not a skilled tradesman and this is one of the real problems with these types of firearms.'
Last week the Victorian parliament passed new gun laws including a firearm manufacturing offence which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment.
Anyone who finds one of the weapons should not touch it, but call police to have it safely removed.
ac_lmfao
It's that easy to make a gun that can be fired?
:ohmy:
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
The scaremongering by the rabid dogs in blue continues.
Quote
Officers have uncovered more than 20 of the crude weapons, which are capable of firing 12-gauge shotgun cartridges, since February.
Not only can the guns be deadly when fired, there's a concern they could malfunction and 'blow up in someone's face'.
'I wouldn't want to fire them and I wouldn't want anyone who doesn't know what they're doing to handle them,' Superintendent Stuart Bateson told reporters on Tuesday.
The weapons were found during searches of homes and vehicles in Melbourne's western suburbs.
Made from a short length of pipe with a firing mechanism, they can easily be concealed.
There have been some links to drugs though most people caught with the weapons say it was for protection.
'I think it's about access - they're able to get these types of firearms where they wouldn't normally be able to get a proper or manufactured firearm,' Supt Bateson said.
There were no reports of the guns being used although one man had faced court for manufacturing them in his backyard.
'I've got to say, I wouldn't want him manufacturing a firearm for my use,' Supt Bateson said.
'He's not a skilled tradesman and this is one of the real problems with these types of firearms.'
Last week the Victorian parliament passed new gun laws including a firearm manufacturing offence which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment.
Anyone who finds one of the weapons should not touch it, but call police to have it safely removed.
ac_lmfao
It's that easy to make a gun that can be fired?
:ohmy:
Farmers and private citizens have been doing it in places like the Philippines since the end of WWII and weapons they make aren't crude Aussie pipe shotguns either. Many of them are very close copies of guns made by legitimate companies.
If there is a need, people will find a way. There is no real magic to making a projectile weapon of some kind but making it reliable and safe to fire is another story.
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
The scaremongering by the rabid dogs in blue continues.
Quote
Officers have uncovered more than 20 of the crude weapons, which are capable of firing 12-gauge shotgun cartridges, since February.
Not only can the guns be deadly when fired, there's a concern they could malfunction and 'blow up in someone's face'.
'I wouldn't want to fire them and I wouldn't want anyone who doesn't know what they're doing to handle them,' Superintendent Stuart Bateson told reporters on Tuesday.
The weapons were found during searches of homes and vehicles in Melbourne's western suburbs.
Made from a short length of pipe with a firing mechanism, they can easily be concealed.
There have been some links to drugs though most people caught with the weapons say it was for protection.
'I think it's about access - they're able to get these types of firearms where they wouldn't normally be able to get a proper or manufactured firearm,' Supt Bateson said.
There were no reports of the guns being used although one man had faced court for manufacturing them in his backyard.
'I've got to say, I wouldn't want him manufacturing a firearm for my use,' Supt Bateson said.
'He's not a skilled tradesman and this is one of the real problems with these types of firearms.'
Last week the Victorian parliament passed new gun laws including a firearm manufacturing offence which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years imprisonment.
Anyone who finds one of the weapons should not touch it, but call police to have it safely removed.
ac_lmfao
It's that easy to make a gun that can be fired?
:ohmy:
Farmers and private citizens have been doing it in places like the Philippines since the end of WWII and weapons they make aren't crude Aussie pipe shotguns either. Many of them are very close copies of guns made by legitimate companies.
If there is a need, people will find a way. There is no real magic to making a projectile weapon of some kind but making it reliable and safe to fire is another story.
That is shocking Renee..
Even if you restrict weapons, those people that want them will make their own.
:ohmy:
Speaking of the Philippines, two Canadians were kidnapped at a resort near Davao City in the South..
Authorities don't know who is responsible yet.
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
No mass murders - so gun control has been effective. Just bad guys protecting themselves/attacking each other - not murdering masses. I get that weird people could make one for themselves, or buy one - but it is an extra step in place. When Australia has a similar frequency of mass murders to the States ... I'll eat my hat.
Quote from: "Fashionista"
That is shocking Renee..
Even if you restrict weapons, those people that want them will make their own.
:ohmy:
Speaking of the Philippines, two Canadians were kidnapped at a resort near Davao City in the South..
Authorities don't know who is responsible yet.
CBC reported that it was Abu Sayyaf. An islamic group that wants a philippine island to themselves.
Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
That is shocking Renee..
Even if you restrict weapons, those people that want them will make their own.
:ohmy:
Speaking of the Philippines, two Canadians were kidnapped at a resort near Davao City in the South..
Authorities don't know who is responsible yet.
CBC reported that it was Abu Sayyaf. An islamic group that wants a philippine island to themselves.
Thank you for letting us know asal.
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
That is shocking Renee..
Even if you restrict weapons, those people that want them will make their own.
:ohmy:
Speaking of the Philippines, two Canadians were kidnapped at a resort near Davao City in the South..
Authorities don't know who is responsible yet.
CBC reported that it was Abu Sayyaf. An islamic group that wants a philippine island to themselves.
Thank you for letting us know asal.
It's a horrible story.
//http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/canadians-abducted-philippines-1.3237997
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The Abu Sayyaf abducted 21 people, mostly European tourists, from a diving resort in neighbouring Malaysia in 2000, then abducted three Americans and 17 Filipinos the following year from the Dos Palmas resort in Palawan province southwest of Manila.
Abu Sayyaf gunmen are still holding other hostages, including two Malaysians, a Dutch bird watcher kidnapped nearly three years ago, and a town mayor. All are believed to be held by the militants in their jungle bases in southern Sulu province.
Abu Sayyaf has been in business for many decades.
They are yet another hard core supremacist group that follows the supremacist Qu'omic Book's instructions to conquer using whatever means possible.
When we in the Filippines in the 90s, there were at least 5 very bloody attacks upon civilians in malls of Manila and many killings and captures in the south, all chalked up by Abu Sayyaf.
We heard and saw the bloody aftermath of one in the Shangri-La Hotel Mall in downtown Makati next to where we lived.
Mindanao is the main island of 3 larger islands along with dozens of smaller ones that they have laid claim to .. basically to the entire south if the Filippines.
My mate went to Davao briefly on a project just outside the city, but was given serious protection 24/7. There have been many slaughters, kidnapping and bombings in Davao and other predominantly xian areas.
KSM, Khalid Sheik Mohammad, the plotter of 911 worked plots with and trained Abu Sayyaf in the south during the late 80s and early 90s.
They had planned to use Abu Sayyaf kill the pope in Jan 95 inManila, along with crashing airplanes into buildins later that year - fortunately their apartment, also not far from us took fire from a bomb being cooked and Intel got their computer with all the planning on it. KSM had left the country 2 days earlier, and his nephew Ramzi Yousef, 1993 Tower bomber saw the fire and cops and ran away only to be caught later landing in Islamabad
It was the learning from many horrific events and business meetings with islamist types (hearing the supremacist attitude) during our stay in the Fils, that solidified our interest in supremacist islamism worldwide
Moro Muslims in the islands of Mindanao and the Philippines have been there since the 14th century and they have held autonomous regions ever since. They've formed up-risings against the Spanish, the US, and the Japanese as well as the Philippine government. Muslims looking to be granted additional autonomous territory in the Philippines is nothing new.
True. And now, the Moros have split into several groups (Abu Sayyaf the most violent and cruel and most prominent so far as killing is concerned today) and now several groups are killing each other for control of the movement.
IS, Al Nusra, Al Q anyone?
Why is this a gun control failure?
Let these pipes blow up in their faces. No fucks given.
The only failure is Dinky's charade.
Few Australians would want to revert to the pre-buyback days, and those that wish to are gun freaks anyway.
Dinky loves to play anti-authority, when in real life he's as compliant and controlled as all the rest.
Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
No mass murders - so gun control has been effective. Just bad guys protecting themselves/attacking each other - not murdering masses. I get that weird people could make one for themselves, or buy one - but it is an extra step in place. When Australia has a similar frequency of mass murders to the States ... I'll eat my hat.
Divide the number of people in Australia into the number of legals and illegals in the United States, take that number (approximately 14), and multiply it by the number of multiple homicides, single homicides, drive by shootings, armed robberies, and various other weapons related incidents. You'll find that Australia isn't that much different to the US, except law abiding Australians are barred from owning a taser, crossbow, slingshot, mace,, brass knuckles plus anything which could be construed as a weapon during a house search or traffic stop subject to the police officer's or courts discretion. Two rolls of coin in a tube sock or an ax the day you went firewood hunting, or baseball bat after an impromptu game at the park with no proof, in the back of your ute might even land you in the courts. We're also mostly bunched up along the coasts in a handful of major capital cities and nearby suburbs. The interior is largely untouched by population.
Those 20 pipe shotties were discovered by searches or incidental discoveries and not as a result of any real crime. As was mentioned, one man was cited for making and selling them. Do you think he made all of those mere 20? If the bumbling and soulless Victoria Police found 20 in a greater timeline, rest assured there are tens of thousands if not more of these makeshift shotguns just in Victoria. That doesn't even take into account every Tom, Tamina, Dick, Dina, Harry and Harriet who have no need for pipe shotties because either they or their older relatives never bothered with the ridiculous and under market value Australian gun buyback scheme after Martin Bryant enabled an extremely insecure government system the opportunity to swoop in and deny its electors a basic fundamental principle of life, and redress if things get even worse than they already have been socially. It should also be mentioned that aside from no let up of gun crime (only legally owned gun crime) stabbings, glassings, and king hits have actually filled any small void left by the marginalizing of law abiding weapons owners. Home invasions here tend to end in homicide of one or more of the occupants but seldom ever the assailant. Self defence is a classed as a dirty term. We're told to dial 000 and say our prayers because, ultimately, individual life is cheap here.
So I laugh when the our State's police puke up a little weak wristed puff piece and our Media gets on its hands and knees, licks it up while taking multiple authority cocks in the front, back, bottom sides and giddily vomits, shits, and pelvic floor pushes it upon us.
I laugh harder when Vic Police try to tap into the community's sense of good workmanship. ac_lmfao
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Few Australians would want to revert to the pre-buyback days, and those that wish to are gun freaks anyway.
Dinky loves to play anti-authority, when in real life he's as compliant and controlled as all the rest.
Says the self admitted former copper stooge proud of his nefarious former occupation. :001_rolleyes:
And I took particular pleasure in making lives like yours even more miserable at every opportunity.
Now, how about that Skype chat?
Not interested in talking or looking at you, aged hound.
Just jerk off to a skin magazine and stop thinking about me.
Oh, rest easy. I rarely think about you. I just seize the many moments you present that enable me to expose your abject moronics.
Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
No mass murders - so gun control has been effective. Just bad guys protecting themselves/attacking each other - not murdering masses. I get that weird people could make one for themselves, or buy one - but it is an extra step in place. When Australia has a similar frequency of mass murders to the States ... I'll eat my hat.
So, if it can only shoot one person at a time, you're ok with home made?
Quote from: "cc la femme"
IS, Al Nusra, Al Q anyone?
I have worked right around that part of the Philippines, in a few countries. Abu Sayyaf are puppets of Al Qaeda I think.
We just got a message from friends who live in the marina.
They were away sightseeing. The abducted were their friends and neighbours.
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
They were away sightseeing. The abducted were their friends and neighbours.
What are you talking about?
Phillipine abduction. They live where the victims were taken from and just happened to be away when they were abducted.
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
alright
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
No mass murders - so gun control has been effective. Just bad guys protecting themselves/attacking each other - not murdering masses. I get that weird people could make one for themselves, or buy one - but it is an extra step in place. When Australia has a similar frequency of mass murders to the States ... I'll eat my hat.
So, if it can only shoot one person at a time, you're ok with home made?
the scenarios offered: 1. bad guys attacking and defending themselves - keeping it within their circles vs 2. mass shootings by a sad person with mental problems killing innocent strangers (often) for no gain.
Premise: In these two scenarios, home made pipe guns are better.
A mental person could get hold of a home made pipe gun - the frequency of that happening is less than being able to buy one at a store because there are more barriers to access. Conclusion: Less frequency of mass murders is a better outcome.
Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
No mass murders - so gun control has been effective. Just bad guys protecting themselves/attacking each other - not murdering masses. I get that weird people could make one for themselves, or buy one - but it is an extra step in place. When Australia has a similar frequency of mass murders to the States ... I'll eat my hat.
So, if it can only shoot one person at a time, you're ok with home made?
the scenarios offered: 1. bad guys attacking and defending themselves - keeping it within their circles vs 2. mass shootings by a sad person with mental problems killing innocent strangers (often) for no gain.
Premise: In these two scenarios, home made pipe guns are better.
A mental person could get hold of a home made pipe gun - the frequency of that happening is less than being able to buy one at a store because there are more barriers to access. Conclusion: Less frequency of mass murders is a better outcome.
You forgot a more dangerous and likely scenario.
In the middle of a windy summer heat spell, a bad guy or mentally ill retard drives along a highway throwing marine flares out the window into the dried grass and woodlands. He or she manages to cover 15 to 20 K's before they're stopped. The ensuing firestorm kills hundreds if not thousands and causes hundreds of billions in property and infrastructure damage.
Some motorists witnessed the flares being chucked, called the cops from their mobile phone, and followed the person. Some even attempt to drive him off the road with their vehicles. The arsonist waves what later turns out to be legally owned firearm and is not stopping. A single shot of a 12 gauge pipe shottie into the rear tyre might be enough to slow them down or completely stop them but alas, only, the cowardly and always late to the party cops here are the only ones permitted to have a loaded firearm on them in a moving vehicle much less in general, unless somebody flips out and disregards rules as in this case.
Some of the motorists who tried to stop him were pulling out of a road near their homes or out of their driveways. They lose loved ones. The arsonist planned his fire spree well. The hot winds were at their strongest and the temperature had been about 38C or more for over a week. The tinder was ripe for a firestorm.
The media and politicians call it an act of fire terrorism and they alongside the police call for greater control of marine flares, legally owned firearms, and the judicial system plans on stronger penalties.
If only everyday people were able to defend themselves and each other said nobody ever in Australia ever because we're a nation of weaklings on the hard topics. We don't have the stomach for it. We'd rather sports worship than take responsibility for ourselves and our communities.
Somehow, it's still about gun control though. Not vehicle control, fire control, mental illness control, or anything else. It's about the need to "get tough" or tougher on what amounts to a load of self serving government bullshit.
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
No mass murders - so gun control has been effective. Just bad guys protecting themselves/attacking each other - not murdering masses. I get that weird people could make one for themselves, or buy one - but it is an extra step in place. When Australia has a similar frequency of mass murders to the States ... I'll eat my hat.
So, if it can only shoot one person at a time, you're ok with home made?
the scenarios offered: 1. bad guys attacking and defending themselves - keeping it within their circles vs 2. mass shootings by a sad person with mental problems killing innocent strangers (often) for no gain.
Premise: In these two scenarios, home made pipe guns are better.
A mental person could get hold of a home made pipe gun - the frequency of that happening is less than being able to buy one at a store because there are more barriers to access. Conclusion: Less frequency of mass murders is a better outcome.
You forgot a more dangerous and likely scenario.
In the middle of a windy summer heat spell, a bad guy or mentally ill retard drives along a highway throwing marine flares out the window into the dried grass and woodlands. He or she manages to cover 15 to 20 K's before they're stopped. The ensuing firestorm kills hundreds if not thousands and causes hundreds of billions in property and infrastructure damage.
Some motorists witnessed the flares being chucked, called the cops from their mobile phone, and followed the person. Some even attempt to drive him off the road with their vehicles. The arsonist waves what later turns out to be legally owned firearm and is not stopping. A single shot of a 12 gauge pipe shottie into the rear tyre might be enough to slow them down or completely stop them but alas, only, the cowardly and always late to the party cops here are the only ones permitted to have a loaded firearm on them in a moving vehicle much less in general, unless somebody flips out and disregards rules as in this case.
Some of the motorists who tried to stop him were pulling out of a road near their homes or out of their driveways. They lose loved ones. The arsonist planned his fire spree well. The hot winds were at their strongest and the temperature had been about 38C or more for over a week. The tinder was ripe for a firestorm.
The media and politicians call it an act of fire terrorism and they alongside the police call for greater control of marine flares, legally owned firearms, and the judicial system plans on stronger penalties.
If only everyday people were able to defend themselves and each other said nobody ever in Australia ever because we're a nation of weaklings on the hard topics. We don't have the stomach for it. We'd rather sports worship than take responsibility for ourselves and our communities.
Somehow, it's still about gun control though. Not vehicle control, fire control, mental illness control, or anything else. It's about the need to "get tough" or tougher on what amounts to a load of self serving government bullshit.
ac_lmfao
You really are a demented moron.
That argument has more holes in it than Kim Kardashians underwear.
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
No mass murders - so gun control has been effective. Just bad guys protecting themselves/attacking each other - not murdering masses. I get that weird people could make one for themselves, or buy one - but it is an extra step in place. When Australia has a similar frequency of mass murders to the States ... I'll eat my hat.
So, if it can only shoot one person at a time, you're ok with home made?
the scenarios offered: 1. bad guys attacking and defending themselves - keeping it within their circles vs 2. mass shootings by a sad person with mental problems killing innocent strangers (often) for no gain.
Premise: In these two scenarios, home made pipe guns are better.
A mental person could get hold of a home made pipe gun - the frequency of that happening is less than being able to buy one at a store because there are more barriers to access. Conclusion: Less frequency of mass murders is a better outcome.
You forgot a more dangerous and likely scenario.
In the middle of a windy summer heat spell, a bad guy or mentally ill retard drives along a highway throwing marine flares out the window into the dried grass and woodlands. He or she manages to cover 15 to 20 K's before they're stopped. The ensuing firestorm kills hundreds if not thousands and causes hundreds of billions in property and infrastructure damage.
Some motorists witnessed the flares being chucked, called the cops from their mobile phone, and followed the person. Some even attempt to drive him off the road with their vehicles. The arsonist waves what later turns out to be legally owned firearm and is not stopping. A single shot of a 12 gauge pipe shottie into the rear tyre might be enough to slow them down or completely stop them but alas, only, the cowardly and always late to the party cops here are the only ones permitted to have a loaded firearm on them in a moving vehicle much less in general, unless somebody flips out and disregards rules as in this case.
Some of the motorists who tried to stop him were pulling out of a road near their homes or out of their driveways. They lose loved ones. The arsonist planned his fire spree well. The hot winds were at their strongest and the temperature had been about 38C or more for over a week. The tinder was ripe for a firestorm.
The media and politicians call it an act of fire terrorism and they alongside the police call for greater control of marine flares, legally owned firearms, and the judicial system plans on stronger penalties.
If only everyday people were able to defend themselves and each other said nobody ever in Australia ever because we're a nation of weaklings on the hard topics. We don't have the stomach for it. We'd rather sports worship than take responsibility for ourselves and our communities.
Somehow, it's still about gun control though. Not vehicle control, fire control, mental illness control, or anything else. It's about the need to "get tough" or tougher on what amounts to a load of self serving government bullshit.
ac_lmfao
You really are a demented moron.
That argument has more holes in it than Kim Kardashians underwear.
It was an entirely plausible scenario and not an argument. Trust in you to play the suckling pig angle. You really cant help being stooge minded, can you?
Plausible?
Like you being too famous to be heard in person???
ac_lmfao
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
Like you being too famous to be heard in person???
ac_lmfao
Somebody asked me not too long ago why I don't contribute more on topic matters here. You've just reinforced what I said to that person in my reply. :001_rolleyes:
And what?
I give a fuck what your vacuous rationale is?
:7283gm_th:
Quote from: "SPECTRE"
I give a fuck what your vacuous rationale is?
:7283gm_th:
The comment wasn't meant for you, you doddering old douchebag.
Newsflash to Tina Testicles...any comment you post in this forum is meant for any other member.
Idiot.
How many more threads are we going to move here because you 2 wont get along?
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "asal"
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Quote from: "asal"
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2015/09/22/police-hold-new-concern-about-pipe-guns.html
No mass murders - so gun control has been effective. Just bad guys protecting themselves/attacking each other - not murdering masses. I get that weird people could make one for themselves, or buy one - but it is an extra step in place. When Australia has a similar frequency of mass murders to the States ... I'll eat my hat.
So, if it can only shoot one person at a time, you're ok with home made?
the scenarios offered: 1. bad guys attacking and defending themselves - keeping it within their circles vs 2. mass shootings by a sad person with mental problems killing innocent strangers (often) for no gain.
Premise: In these two scenarios, home made pipe guns are better.
A mental person could get hold of a home made pipe gun - the frequency of that happening is less than being able to buy one at a store because there are more barriers to access. Conclusion: Less frequency of mass murders is a better outcome.
You forgot a more dangerous and likely scenario.
In the middle of a windy summer heat spell, a bad guy or mentally ill retard drives along a highway throwing marine flares out the window into the dried grass and woodlands. He or she manages to cover 15 to 20 K's before they're stopped. The ensuing firestorm kills hundreds if not thousands and causes hundreds of billions in property and infrastructure damage.
Some motorists witnessed the flares being chucked, called the cops from their mobile phone, and followed the person. Some even attempt to drive him off the road with their vehicles. The arsonist waves what later turns out to be legally owned firearm and is not stopping. A single shot of a 12 gauge pipe shottie into the rear tyre might be enough to slow them down or completely stop them but alas, only, the cowardly and always late to the party cops here are the only ones permitted to have a loaded firearm on them in a moving vehicle much less in general, unless somebody flips out and disregards rules as in this case.
Some of the motorists who tried to stop him were pulling out of a road near their homes or out of their driveways. They lose loved ones. The arsonist planned his fire spree well. The hot winds were at their strongest and the temperature had been about 38C or more for over a week. The tinder was ripe for a firestorm.
The media and politicians call it an act of fire terrorism and they alongside the police call for greater control of marine flares, legally owned firearms, and the judicial system plans on stronger penalties.
If only everyday people were able to defend themselves and each other said nobody ever in Australia ever because we're a nation of weaklings on the hard topics. We don't have the stomach for it. We'd rather sports worship than take responsibility for ourselves and our communities.
Somehow, it's still about gun control though. Not vehicle control, fire control, mental illness control, or anything else. It's about the need to "get tough" or tougher on what amounts to a load of self serving government bullshit.
You want people to have access to firearms to protect themselves and each other. I doubt you want air passengers to bring weapons on board for this purpose. I don't know the history of firearms not being allowed to be carried by passengers - there must have been some good reasons. Some people should not have access to weapons at some points in their lives - for this reason the public is safer when it is difficult to get access.
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It's not on me these days. I've done my best to keep topics and flame wars separate and have had to remind someone else about it. They obviously fail to grasp how their behavior reflects on them and not me. Or they're doing it intentionally and don't care.
Besides being paranoid, Spectre is a moron.
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It's not on me these days. I've done my best to keep topics and flame wars separate and have had to remind someone else about it. They obviously fail to grasp how their behavior reflects on them and not me. Or they're doing it intentionally and don't care.
Besides being paranoid, Spectre is a moron.
He is neither paranoid or a moron.
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Keeper"
It's not on me these days. I've done my best to keep topics and flame wars separate and have had to remind someone else about it. They obviously fail to grasp how their behavior reflects on them and not me. Or they're doing it intentionally and don't care.
Besides being paranoid, Spectre is a moron.
You quit your insulting charade, and we'll be fine.
You keep playing the members, including me, for chumps with your idiocy and deceit, and I'll keep kicking your ass.
I do not like trolls.
You are a troll.
This forum has no place for trolls.
Even a slightly handicapped drongo such as yourself can do those mathematics.
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Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "Keeper"
It's not on me these days. I've done my best to keep topics and flame wars separate and have had to remind someone else about it. They obviously fail to grasp how their behavior reflects on them and not me. Or they're doing it intentionally and don't care.
Besides being paranoid, Spectre is a moron.
You quit your insulting charade, and we'll be fine.
Oh, it's me now is it? I've never had to repeatedly ask you to behave yourself in non flamer war sections, huh?
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Again with your baseless allegations, you paranoid old fruitloop.
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You are a troll.
This forum has no place for trolls.
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So my name Leopardsocks, the self admitted vanquisher of forum cohesiveness, now? :001_rolleyes:
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Oh, I've added you up, all your parts, here and elsewhere with the help of wayback archives, and this "drongo" sees a bitter old tubby narcissist who can't help but to destroy anything he types his pitifully hollow words within.
For someone who pretends to love the forums he's at, you've got a funny way of showing it. You're like the kiss of death. A big fat wrinkly old kiss from a paranoid and perverted great uncle with wandering fingers.
I've tried my best to keep the topic matters apart from the insults and you've reacted time and time again by repeatedly blurring the lines. You don't want to make nice. You want a target, and let me tell you, chump, you've got another thing coming if you keep pushing the envelope. Unlike you, I am a nice person. I've bitten my tongue on a multitude of occasions but there are limits to my patience.
Either go fuck yourself, fuck off completely, or find it in your dehydrated old corpse to remain fucking pleasant if only for TBC's sake.
Your choice, shit for brains. :JC_howdy:
This thread is no longer about Australian gun control.
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Yes, and no. Spectre is a gun in his own mind or a legend in his own lunchbox, but it amounts to a whole lot of Nerf projectiles and unedibles which can't be traded for long before people cotton onto a bullshit artist and momma's boy.
If I wasn't so lazy I'd peel the crap out and leave it here on the floor.
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Couldn't you wipe after each Number 2 and save yourself the hassle? Have you got a pooey fruit roll up bottom or what? ac_razz