Title: Population control
Post by: shin on October 17, 2015, 08:38:09 PM
Post by: shin on October 17, 2015, 08:38:09 PM
Under which circumstances do you think your government would exercise such practices on their own soil?
How would they go about such a thing?
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Renee on October 17, 2015, 08:58:00 PM
Post by: Renee on October 17, 2015, 08:58:00 PM
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Bricktop on October 17, 2015, 09:33:53 PM
Post by: Bricktop on October 17, 2015, 09:33:53 PM
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2015, 05:29:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2015, 05:29:49 PM
Usually when someone mentions population control in reference to controversial solutions, the general consensus treats it like a lowest common denominator that no authoritarian body will admit to resorting to.Quote from: "shin"
Under which circumstances do you think your government would exercise such practices on their own soil?
How would they go about such a thing?
No country has tackled population control to the extent China has and still does, though they are relaxing the rules..
I am not a Catholic and I have no problem with contraception..
The best population control is an educated, affluent society..
Taiwan is wealthy, democratic and has a very low birth rate today.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Frood on October 18, 2015, 06:13:13 PM
Post by: Frood on October 18, 2015, 06:13:13 PM
Usually when someone mentions population control in reference to controversial solutions, the general consensus treats it like a lowest common denominator that no authoritarian body will admit to resorting to.Quote from: "shin"
Under which circumstances do you think your government would exercise such practices on their own soil?
How would they go about such a thing?
Governments approve the drugs, administer water guidelines, and influence what's allowed in the food chain. They also control what industry can and cannot do. Then there are the social controls they possess. Population control, whether intentional or not, has happened and will continue to happen imho.
I tend to believe that it's a combination of intentional and unintentional.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2015, 09:01:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2015, 09:01:23 PM
Usually when someone mentions population control in reference to controversial solutions, the general consensus treats it like a lowest common denominator that no authoritarian body will admit to resorting to.Quote from: "shin"
Under which circumstances do you think your government would exercise such practices on their own soil?
How would they go about such a thing?
No country has tackled population control to the extent China has and still does, though they are relaxing the rules..
I am not a Catholic and I have no problem with contraception..
The best population control is an educated, affluent society..
Taiwan is wealthy, democratic and has a very low birth rate today.
You are right Fash. The cure for too many mouths to feed is education and prosperity. It works so well in Asia that Japan has more adults wearing diapers than babies.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2015, 11:00:25 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2015, 11:00:25 PM
Usually when someone mentions population control in reference to controversial solutions, the general consensus treats it like a lowest common denominator that no authoritarian body will admit to resorting to.Quote from: "shin"
Under which circumstances do you think your government would exercise such practices on their own soil?
How would they go about such a thing?
No country has tackled population control to the extent China has and still does, though they are relaxing the rules..
I am not a Catholic and I have no problem with contraception..
The best population control is an educated, affluent society..
Taiwan is wealthy, democratic and has a very low birth rate today.
You are right Fash. The cure for too many mouths to feed is education and prosperity. It works so well in Asia that Japan has more adults wearing diapers than babies.ac_wot
Too few children are a problem in Asia's wealthy countries.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: shin on October 20, 2015, 08:45:31 AM
Post by: shin on October 20, 2015, 08:45:31 AM
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: shin on October 20, 2015, 08:47:24 AM
Post by: shin on October 20, 2015, 08:47:24 AM
Usually when someone mentions population control in reference to controversial solutions, the general consensus treats it like a lowest common denominator that no authoritarian body will admit to resorting to.Quote from: "shin"
Under which circumstances do you think your government would exercise such practices on their own soil?
How would they go about such a thing?
Governments approve the drugs, administer water guidelines, and influence what's allowed in the food chain. They also control what industry can and cannot do. Then there are the social controls they possess. Population control, whether intentional or not, has happened and will continue to happen imho.
I tend to believe that it's a combination of intentional and unintentional.
Interesting post.
Do you think eugenics is a good or bad idea, despite the ethical issue it would present?
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Frood on October 20, 2015, 05:00:45 PM
Post by: Frood on October 20, 2015, 05:00:45 PM
Usually when someone mentions population control in reference to controversial solutions, the general consensus treats it like a lowest common denominator that no authoritarian body will admit to resorting to.Quote from: "shin"
Under which circumstances do you think your government would exercise such practices on their own soil?
How would they go about such a thing?
Governments approve the drugs, administer water guidelines, and influence what's allowed in the food chain. They also control what industry can and cannot do. Then there are the social controls they possess. Population control, whether intentional or not, has happened and will continue to happen imho.
I tend to believe that it's a combination of intentional and unintentional.
Interesting post.
Do you think eugenics is a good or bad idea, despite the ethical issue it would present?
It already exists and has for a long time. Ethics doesn't come into it (not for most of us)
We all die one day. Certain people want certain groups of us to die today. The trick is knowing when its your own elected reps, a foreign group, or a combination of both.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2015, 06:28:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2015, 06:28:53 PM
I heard the Chinese government only allows their citizens to have one child per couple, but I wonder if wealthy families find a way around this?Quote from: "shin"
I read they are not enforcing it that strictly if at all. But you raised a good point about money in China. If you got money you will never get bogged down in the bureaucracy.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2015, 09:59:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2015, 09:59:45 PM
I heard the Chinese government only allows their citizens to have one child per couple, but I wonder if wealthy families find a way around this?Quote from: "shin"
I read they are not enforcing it that strictly if at all. But you raised a good point about money in China. If you got money you will never get bogged down in the bureaucracy.
Mainland China has all but gotten rid of the one child policy..
Maybe not entirely de jure, but de facto.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: shin on October 20, 2015, 10:31:21 PM
Post by: shin on October 20, 2015, 10:31:21 PM
I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a half Chinese half Indian person yet.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2015, 10:34:18 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2015, 10:34:18 PM
At the end of civilization, it will be China and India neck and neck.Quote from: "shin"
I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a half Chinese half Indian person yet.
Some Nepalese look like that.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2015, 11:06:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2015, 11:06:09 PM
At the end of civilization, it will be China and India neck and neck.Quote from: "shin"
I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a half Chinese half Indian person yet.
China is the greatest continuous civilization the world has ever known or will know. The West is a pack of fucking neophytes.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2015, 12:33:11 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2015, 12:33:11 AM
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2015, 08:16:41 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2015, 08:16:41 AM
At the end of civilization, it will be China and India neck and neck.Quote from: "shin"
I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a half Chinese half Indian person yet.
China is the greatest continuous civilization the world has ever known or will know. The West is a pack of fucking neophytes.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Renee on October 21, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
Post by: Renee on October 21, 2015, 09:41:25 AM
At the end of civilization, it will be China and India neck and neck.Quote from: "shin"
I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a half Chinese half Indian person yet.
China is the greatest continuous civilization the world has ever known or will know. The West is a pack of fucking neophytes.
Remember, not too much starch, I hate that.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: shin on October 21, 2015, 07:29:21 PM
Post by: shin on October 21, 2015, 07:29:21 PM
At the end of civilization, it will be China and India neck and neck.Quote from: "shin"
I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a half Chinese half Indian person yet.
China is the greatest continuous civilization the world has ever known or will know. The West is a pack of fucking neophytes.
:001_rolleyes: You think when you are done promoting the greatest civilization in the world you could have my laundry ready?
Remember, not too much starch, I hate that.ac_biggrin
Wow, that escalated quickly! I'm sure you meant it in the nicest way possible.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: shin on October 21, 2015, 07:33:35 PM
Post by: shin on October 21, 2015, 07:33:35 PM
At the end of civilization, it will be China and India neck and neck.Quote from: "shin"
I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a half Chinese half Indian person yet.
China is the greatest continuous civilization the world has ever known or will know. The West is a pack of fucking neophytes.
I learned in a history class that shortly after the provinces were unified, they built huge seafaring boats capable of crossing the Pacific Ocean that predated European discovery of the Americas, but for an unexplained reason the emperor had them destroyed before they could be used.
Did you know that, angel face?
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2015, 09:22:57 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2015, 09:22:57 PM
At the end of civilization, it will be China and India neck and neck.Quote from: "shin"
I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a half Chinese half Indian person yet.
China is the greatest continuous civilization the world has ever known or will know. The West is a pack of fucking neophytes.
I learned in a history class that shortly after the provinces were unified, they built huge seafaring boats capable of crossing the Pacific Ocean that predated European discovery of the Americas, but for an unexplained reason the emperor had them destroyed before they could be used.
Did you know that, angel face?:43(2):
There's a book called 1421: The Year China Discovered America. I have not read it, but it is about what you wrote.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Frood on October 21, 2015, 10:33:02 PM
Post by: Frood on October 21, 2015, 10:33:02 PM
History is an incomplete and spotty judgement at best. The furthest we go back in records is only about 6,000 years. While the magnetic compass and other mechanical navigational aids sped up exploration of more modern seafarers, far more ancient peoples were navigating by star alignments, the Polynesians probably the most well known of these groups.
We know nothing about the real past. We are all Jon Snows.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2015, 08:06:39 AM
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2015, 08:06:39 AM
The Vikings and before that, the Phoenicians, were both in the Americas. It's why so many tribal groups have a much further recollection of fair skinned visitors and why some core samples of Egyptian mummies have shown traces of tobacco and marijuana despite either not existing in their region at the time of their life.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
History is an incomplete and spotty judgement at best. The furthest we go back in records is only about 6,000 years. While the magnetic compass and other mechanical navigational aids sped up exploration of more modern seafarers, far more ancient peoples were navigating by star alignments, the Polynesians probably the most well known of these groups.
We know nothing about the real past. We are all Jon Snows.
The Vikings landed in Newfoundland in the year 1000..
This is more Chinese ultra nationalist exaggeration..
Shen Li likely believes it word for word though.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Renee on October 23, 2015, 03:09:41 PM
Post by: Renee on October 23, 2015, 03:09:41 PM
The Vikings and before that, the Phoenicians, were both in the Americas. It's why so many tribal groups have a much further recollection of fair skinned visitors and why some core samples of Egyptian mummies have shown traces of tobacco and marijuana despite either not existing in their region at the time of their life.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
History is an incomplete and spotty judgement at best. The furthest we go back in records is only about 6,000 years. While the magnetic compass and other mechanical navigational aids sped up exploration of more modern seafarers, far more ancient peoples were navigating by star alignments, the Polynesians probably the most well known of these groups.
We know nothing about the real past. We are all Jon Snows.
The Vikings landed in Newfoundland in the year 1000..
This is more Chinese ultra nationalist exaggeration..
Shen Li likely believes it word for word though.
:001_rolleyes:
For decades there was theory floating around that the Chinese had visited the west coast of North America in Pre-Colombian times. It was based on a number of what appeared to be ship's anchor stones of Chinese design found in 12 to 25 feet of water off the Palos Verdes peninsula, south of Los Angeles. At first it was assumed that the stones where resting at the bottom of the ocean for anywhere between 500 and 1500 years, until it turned out that most of the stones where found to be made of Monterey Shale which is a common stone found all along the coast of Southern California.
Once the type of stone was discovered, it wasn't too hard to figure out that the anchor stones where from fishing boats used by Chinese immigrants in the mid 19th century.
Much of what we think we know about the unrecorded past is highly speculative. One has to be careful not to fall for assumptions and unsubstantiated conclusions.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: shin on October 23, 2015, 07:22:20 PM
Post by: shin on October 23, 2015, 07:22:20 PM
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2015, 10:28:03 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2015, 10:28:03 PM
The Vikings and before that, the Phoenicians, were both in the Americas. It's why so many tribal groups have a much further recollection of fair skinned visitors and why some core samples of Egyptian mummies have shown traces of tobacco and marijuana despite either not existing in their region at the time of their life.Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
History is an incomplete and spotty judgement at best. The furthest we go back in records is only about 6,000 years. While the magnetic compass and other mechanical navigational aids sped up exploration of more modern seafarers, far more ancient peoples were navigating by star alignments, the Polynesians probably the most well known of these groups.
We know nothing about the real past. We are all Jon Snows.
The Vikings landed in Newfoundland in the year 1000..
This is more Chinese ultra nationalist exaggeration..
Shen Li likely believes it word for word though.
:001_rolleyes:
For decades there was theory floating around that the Chinese had visited the west coast of North America in Pre-Colombian times. It was based on a number of what appeared to be ship's anchor stones of Chinese design found in 12 to 25 feet of water off the Palos Verdes peninsula, south of Los Angeles. At first it was assumed that the stones where resting at the bottom of the ocean for anywhere between 500 and 1500 years, until it turned out that most of the stones where found to be made of Monterey Shale which is a common stone found all along the coast of Southern California.
Once the type of stone was discovered, it wasn't too hard to figure out that the anchor stones where from fishing boats used by Chinese immigrants in the mid 19th century.
Much of what we think we know about the unrecorded past is highly speculative. One has to be careful not to fall for assumptions and unsubstantiated conclusions.
I didn't know that Renee, thank you for sharing it..
But I do know that in the early 1400's, the Chinese imperial eunuch Zheng He lead seven ocean expeditions for the Ming emperor.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2015, 10:17:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2015, 10:17:51 PM
At the end of civilization, it will be China and India neck and neck.Quote from: "shin"
I'm a little surprised I haven't seen a half Chinese half Indian person yet.
China is the greatest continuous civilization the world has ever known or will know. The West is a pack of fucking neophytes.
I learned in a history class that shortly after the provinces were unified, they built huge seafaring boats capable of crossing the Pacific Ocean that predated European discovery of the Americas, but for an unexplained reason the emperor had them destroyed before they could be used.
Did you know that, angel face?:43(2):
Chinese were the greatest sailors in history. Europeans stole the rudder idea from the Chinese. Chinese concepts of rigging were also adopted by the West. The bulkhead principle for constructing hulls was developed in China from the 2nd Century AD. Two hundred years ago in the West this was still a novel technique. The canal lock was invented in China in 984 AD. The mariner's compass was another Chinese invention. Chinese envoys sailed into the Indian Ocean from the late 2nd century BC.
Title: Re: Population control
Post by: shin on October 28, 2015, 07:51:19 PM
Post by: shin on October 28, 2015, 07:51:19 PM
I bet those pesky Italians stole it from China via the Silk Road.