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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: shin on October 21, 2015, 07:43:02 PM

Title: The grey area of consent
Post by: shin on October 21, 2015, 07:43:02 PM
Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: RW on October 21, 2015, 07:47:40 PM
I don't see a grey area in terms of consent.  One who is intoxicated cannot give consent.



The thing that bakes my noodle is if they both agree while drunk, did they legally rape each other?
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Renee on October 21, 2015, 08:14:43 PM
Oh please, if I went by that, I guess I was raped dozens of times over the course of my single life.



Not to be mean or anything but I think you almost have to be half in the bag just to do it with most of the guys you meet in bars or clubs.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: shin on October 21, 2015, 08:15:14 PM
Quote from: "RW"I don't see a grey area in terms of consent.  One who is intoxicated cannot give consent.



The thing that bakes my noodle is if they both agree while drunk, did they legally rape each other?


For me, it seems like an automatic scapegoat that would assumedly go along with ingesting any quantity of alcohol, and removes any implied guilt as if it were impossible to make sound judgement while intoxicated.



I think what the sign is implying more than "no consent can be given while drunk" is "what counts as validation of consent among otherwise strangers who happen to get naked and touch each other." I doubt they went through the various possibilities and made a strict definition of what constitutes an official sexual encounter.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: shin on October 21, 2015, 08:16:27 PM
Quote from: "Renee"Oh please, if I went by that, I guess I was raped dozens of times over the course of my single life.



Not to be mean or anything but I think you almost have to be half in the bag just to do it with most of the guys you meet in bars or clubs.


I don't think that's mean. Most bars and clubs bring out the lowest common denominator.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on October 21, 2015, 08:51:49 PM
Consenting to get drunk is consenting to dive low.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2015, 09:19:23 PM
Quote from: "Renee"Oh please, if I went by that, I guess I was raped dozens of times over the course of my single life.



Not to be mean or anything but I think you almost have to be half in the bag just to do it with most of the guys you meet in bars or clubs.

Hey, that was a long time ago and I was not so ugly then. :laugh3:



I guess I have been guilty of rape dozens of times if I went by that.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Frood on October 21, 2015, 10:20:51 PM
They both should be charged with rape if alcohol consumption along with sex is not legitimate consent even when both parties equally consented. It's sexist otherwise.



Feminism has really gone off the rails.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2015, 10:31:48 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"They both should be charged with rape if alcohol consumption along with sex is not legitimate consent even when both parties equally consented. It's sexist otherwise.



Feminism has really gone off the rails.

Right on brother. Feminism is off the rails.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Frood on October 21, 2015, 10:34:49 PM
:sneaky2: No further comment, Herman.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Frood on October 21, 2015, 10:53:12 PM
Quote from: "RW"It will swing back but we need to challenge this on a legal level.


Do you think that's likely though?



There is still no overall consensus on what constitutes statutory rape in many localities. Rulings on gender and age gaps mean that dating someone for 2 years and then turning 18 could or could not be construed as rape regardless of the consenting duo's consent. Sometimes it even comes down to gender when the underage couple are of the same age. Some places are very liberal in consent. Others are draconian.



There's too many solicitors and politicians making a living off the consent issue by playing up supposed ethics dilemmas and the fears of communities. Then there are the militant feminists, and that's a whole different kettle of rancid fish fannies.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: RW on October 21, 2015, 11:02:43 PM
I think I don't want to talk to a troll who is a guy pretending to be a chick on this board any more.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Frood on October 21, 2015, 11:07:09 PM
Quote from: "Dinky Dianna"
Quote from: "RW"It will swing back but we need to challenge this on a legal level.


Do you think that's likely though?



There is still no overall consensus on what constitutes statutory rape in many localities. Rulings on gender and age gaps mean that dating someone for 2 years and then turning 18 could or could not be construed as rape regardless of the consenting duo's consent. Sometimes it even comes down to gender when the underage couple are of the same age. Some places are very liberal in consent. Others are draconian.



There's too many solicitors and politicians making a living off the consent issue by playing up supposed ethics dilemmas and the fears of communities. Then there are the militant feminists, and that's a whole different kettle of rancid fish fannies.


Quote from: "RW"I think I don't want to talk to a troll who is a guy pretending to be a chick on this board any more.


Fair enough if that's what you think. I can't force you to engage a completely valid and earnest point I've made because you have suspicions about my gender and or reason to participate here.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: RW on October 21, 2015, 11:12:07 PM
Yes I know I don't want to talk to trolls.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Frood on October 21, 2015, 11:15:09 PM
Well then could you please follow through with your accusation and stop talking to me. It's derailing an otherwise fruitful topic of discussion about gender inequality. Thank you.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: RW on October 21, 2015, 11:16:20 PM
:001_rolleyes:
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 12:39:11 AM
Quote from: "RW"I think I don't want to talk to a troll who is a guy pretending to be a chick on this board any more.

I will still respond if I feel the comment warrants a response RW. But, I know what you mean. When I respond, it is to a comment and not a person. I don't know how long I can do that before it gets to me too. It did not last long with Joak's Lance handle.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Frood on October 22, 2015, 12:47:12 AM
This is a sad turn of events.



I've talked about gender inequality as it relates to this discussion matter and it's taken a turn into a discussion about my own gender which is forum inequality.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: RW on October 22, 2015, 12:50:27 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "RW"I think I don't want to talk to a troll who is a guy pretending to be a chick on this board any more.

I will still respond if I feel the comment warrants a response RW. But, I know what you mean. When I respond, it is to a comment and not a person. I don't know how long I can do that before it gets to me too. It did not last long with Joak's Lance handle.

We all know it's Gary though so we ignore it.



It's clear Dinky is here because he's following Spec around and trolling us.  Ain't nobody got time for that.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: keeper on October 22, 2015, 12:53:14 AM
Truth be told I would have him on ignore if I wasn't this delightful green :)
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 07:06:18 AM
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
  I don't agree.  I was raped at 14.  Someone getting drunk and making a choice they regret is not equal to being legit sexually assulted.  And....they are BOTH drunk. If she is too drunk to consent, isn't he too drunk to be held accountable?  Or too drunk to consent as well?  This is typical femnazi propaganda.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 07:08:30 AM
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Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 08:32:34 AM
Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
  I don't agree.  I was raped at 14.  Someone getting drunk and making a choice they regret is not equal to being legit sexually assulted.  And....they are BOTH drunk. If she is too drunk to consent, isn't he too drunk to be held accountable?  Or too drunk to consent as well?  This is typical femnazi propaganda.

That makes sense Dove..



Maybe brewing and distilling companies should be charged with rape?
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Renee on October 22, 2015, 10:54:46 AM
The Jake and Josie look Jewish to me. In fact, isn't Jake short for Jacob? (a Jewish name) :shock: ......I knew it! The GOD DAMN JOOOOOOOOWs are now behind a plot to sentence white males to prison for rape! :sneaky2:



Someone call our local Jew buster, Scouse and tell him to bring his Jew catching, positron ray gun and a Hebrew containment trap.  ac_biggrin
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: RW on October 22, 2015, 11:49:11 AM
Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
  I don't agree.  I was raped at 14.  Someone getting drunk and making a choice they regret is not equal to being legit sexually assulted.  And....they are BOTH drunk. If she is too drunk to consent, isn't he too drunk to be held accountable?  Or too drunk to consent as well?  This is typical femnazi propaganda.

And what about the girl who passes out at a party and get screwed by 5 guys?  Or the girl who doesn't want to have sex with a guy so he gets her drunk then has sex with her?  That rapey enough for you?
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: keeper on October 22, 2015, 12:38:57 PM
Don't drink. Problem solved
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Renee on October 22, 2015, 01:06:10 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
  I don't agree.  I was raped at 14.  Someone getting drunk and making a choice they regret is not equal to being legit sexually assulted.  And....they are BOTH drunk. If she is too drunk to consent, isn't he too drunk to be held accountable?  Or too drunk to consent as well?  This is typical femnazi propaganda.

And what about the girl who passes out at a party and get screwed by 5 guys?  Or the girl who doesn't want to have sex with a guy so he gets her drunk then has sex with her? That rapey enough for you?


I have a problem with that scenario. Unless the guy is physically forcing the woman to drink more than she can handle I honestly think that is a concept that belittles women. It basically indicates that a woman has no free will and she is too stupid to realize that drinking excessively could very well lead to a compromising or dangerous situation. In today's day and age, I find that idea offensive.



Of course there is always going to be some rather dumb exceptions out there but overall it is an insult to a woman's intelligence.



I think we've been down this road previously,......in another lifetime. Unfortunately I don't recall what the consensus or the outcome was then.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: RW on October 22, 2015, 01:31:15 PM
I agree with you Renee.  I believe in that personal responsibility you speak of, however, intoxication is not foreplay.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Renee on October 22, 2015, 02:22:23 PM
Quote from: "RW"I agree with you Renee.  I believe in that personal responsibility you speak of, however, intoxication is not foreplay.


I agree, intoxication is not foreplay. BUT let's not discount that there are those individuals who actually require something to relax them before they can be intimate with another person. Often times it's a few glasses of wine or a few beers that helps remove some of those stubborn inhibitions.



Given the fact that a great many women (myself included) have a negative body image, I think that stimuli like alcohol or weed play a bigger role in getting laid than most of us are willing to admit. Does that mean we were raped or that a guy committed rape? :nea:



 IMHO, this whole thing is a concept that is far too ridiculous to seriously waste dollars promoting in an add campaign.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: RW on October 22, 2015, 02:46:31 PM
It's only rape if the woman complains after the fact.  If I was a guy, I wouldn't take that risk.



I think the campaign is a good one in that it informs people of the law.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Aryan on October 22, 2015, 02:51:31 PM
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?


Heck no, as always the implication is that only men can rape and women are always a victim no matter what.  



If the woman says no or is unconscious then yeah that can't be described as consensual, but anything else is fair game.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Renee on October 22, 2015, 03:17:27 PM
Quote from: "SCOUSE"
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?


Heck no, as always the implication is that only men can rape and women are always a victim no matter what.  



If the woman says no or is unconscious then yeah that can't be described as consensual, but anything else is fair game.


Well fortunately for you that blow-up doll you call a girlfriend only needs some KY Jelly to get into the mood.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Aryan on October 22, 2015, 04:14:21 PM
Somehow Renee, I doubt rape has ever been anything you've had to worry about.  :laugh3:
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Renee on October 22, 2015, 04:51:32 PM
Quote from: "SCOUSE"Somehow Renee, I doubt rape has ever been anything you've had to worry about.  :laugh3:




That's right shithead and it's because I've never been dumb enough or desperate enough to put myself in close proximity to a little skinhead, shit rat, like you. ac_biggrin  



Little Neo-Nazi losers confuse rape with sex all the time because for the likes of your kind, forcing a woman is the only way you will ever come close to having sex;.....unless you can scratch a few quid together at the end of the month and pay for it.  



Sucks to be you bro. Say hi to mommy for me when you come up out of your basement bachelor pad for tea biscuits.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Aryan on October 22, 2015, 05:05:16 PM
I actually meant because of your repulsive appearance....  ac_toofunny
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Renee on October 22, 2015, 05:52:14 PM
Are you actually that stupid that you think you need to explain your mentally crippled, punk-ass, little flames?



You must be the dumbest member of your worthless, herd.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Aryan on October 22, 2015, 07:06:16 PM
Calm yourself down Renee, have another cake or 5....... no need to get yourself so worked up.  :laugh:
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 08:43:11 PM
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
  I don't agree.  I was raped at 14.  Someone getting drunk and making a choice they regret is not equal to being legit sexually assulted.  And....they are BOTH drunk. If she is too drunk to consent, isn't he too drunk to be held accountable?  Or too drunk to consent as well?  This is typical femnazi propaganda.

And what about the girl who passes out at a party and get screwed by 5 guys?  Or the girl who doesn't want to have sex with a guy so he gets her drunk then has sex with her? That rapey enough for you?

That's how I see it Renee.

I have a problem with that scenario. Unless the guy is physically forcing the woman to drink more than she can handle I honestly think that is a concept that belittles women. It basically indicates that a woman has no free will and she is too stupid to realize that drinking excessively could very well lead to a compromising or dangerous situation. In today's day and age, I find that idea offensive.



Of course there is always going to be some rather dumb exceptions out there but overall it is an insult to a woman's intelligence.



I think we've been down this road previously,......in another lifetime. Unfortunately I don't recall what the consensus or the outcome was then.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 10:09:51 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
  I don't agree.  I was raped at 14.  Someone getting drunk and making a choice they regret is not equal to being legit sexually assulted.  And....they are BOTH drunk. If she is too drunk to consent, isn't he too drunk to be held accountable?  Or too drunk to consent as well?  This is typical femnazi propaganda.

And what about the girl who passes out at a party and get screwed by 5 guys?  Or the girl who doesn't want to have sex with a guy so he gets her drunk then has sex with her?  That rapey enough for you?
  Are you comparing being sexually assulted while passed out to this bullshit in the poster?    If a guys gets you drunk and has srx with you, that's not rape.  If he drugs your drink and bangs your body?  That's rape.  Being drunk doesn't remove accoutability. Just ask the people serving life sentences in prison for killing someone while driving drunk.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 10:10:54 PM
And btw...women who've been raped while passed out are typically offended by this bullshit too.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 10:13:35 PM
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
  I don't agree.  I was raped at 14.  Someone getting drunk and making a choice they regret is not equal to being legit sexually assulted.  And....they are BOTH drunk. If she is too drunk to consent, isn't he too drunk to be held accountable?  Or too drunk to consent as well?  This is typical femnazi propaganda.

And what about the girl who passes out at a party and get screwed by 5 guys?  Or the girl who doesn't want to have sex with a guy so he gets her drunk then has sex with her? That rapey enough for you?


I have a problem with that scenario. Unless the guy is physically forcing the woman to drink more than she can handle I honestly think that is a concept that belittles women. It basically indicates that a woman has no free will and she is too stupid to realize that drinking excessively could very well lead to a compromising or dangerous situation. In today's day and age, I find that idea offensive.



Of course there is always going to be some rather dumb exceptions out there but overall it is an insult to a woman's intelligence.



I think we've been down this road previously,......in another lifetime. Unfortunately I don't recall what the consensus or the outcome was then.
  Yep.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 10:15:33 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
  I don't agree.  I was raped at 14.  Someone getting drunk and making a choice they regret is not equal to being legit sexually assulted.  And....they are BOTH drunk. If she is too drunk to consent, isn't he too drunk to be held accountable?  Or too drunk to consent as well?  This is typical femnazi propaganda.

That makes sense Dove..



Maybe brewing and distilling companies should be charged with rape?
  Totally....and manslaughter. Since drunk people shouldn't be held accountable for their choices due to not being able to make any. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2015, 11:43:37 PM
Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
  I don't agree.  I was raped at 14.  Someone getting drunk and making a choice they regret is not equal to being legit sexually assulted.  And....they are BOTH drunk. If she is too drunk to consent, isn't he too drunk to be held accountable?  Or too drunk to consent as well?  This is typical femnazi propaganda.

That makes sense Dove..



Maybe brewing and distilling companies should be charged with rape?
  Totally....and manslaughter. Since drunk people shouldn't be held accountable for their choices due to not being able to make any. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Someone is killed by a drunken driver, the driver is not charged, the brewing or distilling company is?



Very interesting Dove.

 ac_umm
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: shin on October 23, 2015, 08:05:16 PM
So far, I've gotten some useful insight that explored angles of this situation i hadn't expected.




Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
  I don't agree.  I was raped at 14.  Someone getting drunk and making a choice they regret is not equal to being legit sexually assulted.  And....they are BOTH drunk. If she is too drunk to consent, isn't he too drunk to be held accountable?  Or too drunk to consent as well?  This is typical femnazi propaganda.


I'm sorry to hear that happened to you, Dove. I try not to be too judgmental about the choices people make, but I generally think it takes a self-esteem issue to forcibly rape anyone, especially a minor.



Because of all the highly publicized court cases involving intercourse that could not be confirmed as consensual, getting more than verbal permission has become more of a standard. Can you believe a female doctor routinely asks if she can touch me? even though she ends up "touching" me at least once every few months when she gets scheduled to examine me... and it's always somewhere above the waist.



Anyway, it's good to see I haven't encountered the true dark side of feminine forum posters, the like of which could be compared to the female equivalent of 4chan. You guys throw jokes at each other, but not in such a vindictive way to get offended over it.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: shin on October 23, 2015, 08:24:55 PM
In the past, this was purely a male problem, since men who complained of being raped by women to authorities weren't taken seriously.



Whether you're married, in a relationship, or single... how do you think you would react if you accidentally touched a stranger in what most of us would consider a harmless manner, like touching someone's hand as they're handing you something in a public place... maybe something you dropped or vice-versa, or someone becomes faint while standing near to you causing you to react by catching them.



What do you do if they later accuse you of something in between non-consensual touching (which might fall under the definition of battery) and assault (possibly 4th degree)? Would this significantly change your perception of what's involved in everyday interaction with strangers in public settings?



There are varying numbers of people just looking for an opportunity to financially benefit from frivolity at the expense of anyone who happens to fall prey to consequence. Hopefully, this situation doesn't arise on your time.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2015, 10:09:17 PM
Quote from: "shin"So far, I've gotten some useful insight that explored angles of this situation i hadn't expected.




Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "shin"Since there are a lot of femmes here, perhaps I might get to see another side of this argument.



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Do you agree with the general sentiment of this poster?



If not, what part of the implied notion do you disagree with, and why?
  I don't agree.  I was raped at 14.  Someone getting drunk and making a choice they regret is not equal to being legit sexually assulted.  And....they are BOTH drunk. If she is too drunk to consent, isn't he too drunk to be held accountable?  Or too drunk to consent as well?  This is typical femnazi propaganda.


I'm sorry to hear that happened to you, Dove. I try not to be too judgmental about the choices people make, but I generally think it takes a self-esteem issue to forcibly rape anyone, especially a minor.



Because of all the highly publicized court cases involving intercourse that could not be confirmed as consensual, getting more than verbal permission has become more of a standard. Can you believe a female doctor routinely asks if she can touch me? even though she ends up "touching" me at least once every few months when she gets scheduled to examine me... and it's always somewhere above the waist.



Anyway, it's good to see I haven't encountered the true dark side of feminine forum posters, the like of which could be compared to the female equivalent of 4chan. You guys throw jokes at each other, but not in such a vindictive way to get offended over it.

Our Dove has had a remarkable turnaround in her life..



W have a good small community and we respect each other..



You are such a welcome addition shin.

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Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: shin on October 28, 2015, 07:53:23 PM
Yay! I'm communicable!



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Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: RW on October 28, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Legally, this still bothers me.  If two people are drunk and both legally cannot consent to sex but have consensual sex, why did they not both rape each other?
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: Romero on October 28, 2015, 08:22:43 PM
QuoteDebbie Conner, the vice president for campus life and student engagement at Coastal Carolina University, confirmed to the Daily Dot that the poster originated from the university. Conner said it was published in 2008 by the Campus Assault Resource Education Support Coalition, made up of students, faculty, and staff at the university. "It went out of circulation in 2008," she said.



According to Conner, this poster wasn't widespread across CCU's campus. "I don't even remember this poster, and I've had a few people say that they printed probably 20 of them, and were on a few bulletin boards on campus, but it wasn't a big campaign."



Conner also says she isn't sure what Coastal students' reactions were to the poster.



"It was seven years ago... So, I have no earthly idea what people said about it, because it was not in my area of responsibility at the time. I don't even remember that poster even being on the campus," she said.



As far as why the poster is surfacing now, "I'm sure the conversations around sexual violence continue on social media and many other platforms that it can start quite a good discussion," she said.



According to Conner, this poster is no longer used at the university.



"The most disconcerting thing for me is that it's been posted and people don't understand it's not something we use or currently endorse on our campus," she said.



//http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/anti-rape-poster-reddit-conversations/
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: shin on October 28, 2015, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: "RW"Legally, this still bothers me.  If two people are drunk and both legally cannot consent to sex but have consensual sex, why did they not both rape each other?


Probably because in order to have a punishable crime, you have to have an obvious victim who suffered loss and a guilty perpetrator. If both parties fit both definitions I don't think the courts or police would bother with it... not unlike in some backward towns when domestic disputes arise that aren't necessarily violent, or Acts of God when someone starts grasping at straws for someone to sue to cut their losses.
Title: Re: The grey area of consent
Post by: shin on October 28, 2015, 08:34:04 PM
Quote from: "Romero"
QuoteDebbie Conner, the vice president for campus life and student engagement at Coastal Carolina University, confirmed to the Daily Dot that the poster originated from the university. Conner said it was published in 2008 by the Campus Assault Resource Education Support Coalition, made up of students, faculty, and staff at the university. "It went out of circulation in 2008," she said.



According to Conner, this poster wasn't widespread across CCU's campus. "I don't even remember this poster, and I've had a few people say that they printed probably 20 of them, and were on a few bulletin boards on campus, but it wasn't a big campaign."



Conner also says she isn't sure what Coastal students' reactions were to the poster.



"It was seven years ago... So, I have no earthly idea what people said about it, because it was not in my area of responsibility at the time. I don't even remember that poster even being on the campus," she said.



As far as why the poster is surfacing now, "I'm sure the conversations around sexual violence continue on social media and many other platforms that it can start quite a good discussion," she said.



According to Conner, this poster is no longer used at the university.



"The most disconcerting thing for me is that it's been posted and people don't understand it's not something we use or currently endorse on our campus," she said.



//http://www.dailydot.com/lifestyle/anti-rape-poster-reddit-conversations/


Although I knew about this before making the thread, I was going for a devil's advocate type discussion over trying to incite outrage through circulating a controversial viewpoint of fewer than a majority. Somehow more than a few people thought this was a good enough idea to use as a tool of garnering awareness. The point is, it definitely isn't fake.
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