A spokesperson for the Canadian Armed Forces would not reveal the content of the message, which was reportedly quickly removed from the social media site. But in a statement, Daniel Le Bouthillier wrote that "racist attitudes are not compatible with military ethos and with effective military service."
The offensive comments appeared less than 24 hours after Sajjan — an observant Sikh who is a former Vancouver Police officer and a decorated soldier who served three tours in Afghanistan and another in Bosnia — was sworn in as defence minister in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberal government on Nov. 4.
A source in the department of national defence said the member of the military who allegedly wrote the Facebook post is a non-commissioned officer from CFB Valcartier, near Quebec City.
"We have had an incident in which a high-ranking member of military posted negative comments on a Facebook page about our minister," wrote Chief Warrant Officer Kevin West, the military's top-ranking non-commissioned officer in an email to troops on Nov. 5 that was obtained by Le Droit.
"It's totally unacceptable. We already deal with conduct problems on a daily bases in our ranks and it's our duty, and that of our leaders, to put an end to it immediately. I was made aware of this incident and to say that I am mad is not the word."
West's email to the troops was written in English and translated into French by the newspaper. In the message, West apologized for sending an English-only email but explained that he wanted to get his message out urgently.
But Le Droit reported that the unilingual warning apparently displeased some francophone troops and a complaint has been filed with the Official Languages Commissioner's office, which enforces breaches of the Official Languages Act.
Nelson Kalil, a spokesperson for commissioner Graham Fraser could not comment on the report or confirm whether a complaint had been filed because the office was closed for Remembrance Day.
The military statement explained that the individual's commanding officer who must decide what further action, if any, is required. Other disciplinary measures can include ordering the individual into counseling, a probationary period, suspension from duty or even a recommendation of release if the incident is deemed sufficiently serious.
This story made me cringe as it strikes me as being everything that is wrong with our mamby pamby, PC society.
People have a right to their personal opinions. That right should exist outside of the workplace about the workplace and extend even further into fair comment about a political figure.
The language thing is laughable to me in its ridiculousness.
Do we have nothing better to do with our time than bitch about things that are rather insignificant?
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/11/inappropriate-facebook-post-about-defence-minister-harjit-sajjan-sparks-probe.html
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People have a right to their personal opinions. That right should exist outside of the workplace about the workplace and extend even further into fair comment about a political figure.
The language thing is laughable to me in its ridiculousness.
Do we have nothing better to do with our time than bitch about things that are rather insignificant?
:laugh:
Where's SCOUSE's avatar? Where's Mel? Where's Odi?
SCOUSE's avatar got voted off the island. I assume Mel is drowning in a bathtub of JD and Odi is probably at his desk writing new material in the form of sexual comments that make women want to puke.
I know you have a hard time with the concept with public comment vs private, but I forgive your myopia because you're just so darn cute!
acc_hugz
I didn't read it all, but I hate crybabies.
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People have a right to their personal opinions. That right should exist outside of the workplace about the workplace and extend even further into fair comment about a political figure.
The language thing is laughable to me in its ridiculousness.
Do we have nothing better to do with our time than bitch about things that are rather insignificant?
1 ... 2 ... 3... Enter stage right - King P. C. Prog ... not to challenge the issue, rather only to obfuscate
Some things never change .. It's only November, but the snowflakes are out
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I know you have a hard time with the concept with public comment vs private, but I forgive your myopia because you're just so darn cute!
acc_hugz
Excuses, excuses...
Your political correctness is still political correctness.
My political correctness is what exactly?
You know Ro, if you have a problem with how this board is moderated, start a thread and we'll discuss it. I prefer that to you hijacking threads that aren't related.
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Quote from: "the issue"
People have a right to their personal opinions. That right should exist outside of the workplace about the workplace and extend even further into fair comment about a political figure.
The language thing is laughable to me in its ridiculousness.
Do we have nothing better to do with our time than bitch about things that are rather insignificant?
1 ... 2 ... 3... Enter stage right - King P. C. Prog ... not to challenge the issue, rather only to obfuscate
Some things never change .. It's only November, but the snowflakes are out
HAHAHA
It snowed here today so I guess that's rather fitting!
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You know Ro, if you have a problem with how this board is moderated, start a thread and we'll discuss it. I prefer that to you hijacking threads that aren't related.
I'm only pointing out your hypocrisy!
Your political correctness is censoring, banning and hiding posts and posters you deem offensive. That's fine, but complaining about political correctness is pretty hypocritical when you're being politically correct all the time yourself.
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You know Ro, if you have a problem with how this board is moderated, start a thread and we'll discuss it. I prefer that to you hijacking threads that aren't related.
I'm only pointing out your hypocrisy!
Your political correctness is censoring, banning and hiding posts and posters you deem offensive. That's fine, but complaining about political correctness is pretty hypocritical when you're being politically correct all the time yourself.
There is NOTHING PC about dealing with abusive posters or cleaning up or preventing the thread bombing that they perform. Obviously you are are of the mindset that just because this is an open forum that free speech reigns. Well this forum is someone's house and we are all guests here and we all have to abide by the rules of our host and if our host deems certain things offensive, they have every right to get rid of it.
Do you bring garbage over to someones home and throw it around like you have a right to? I would hope not because if you did to me I would beat the shit out of your little effeminate ass right before I threw you out into the street. Was that UN-PC enough for you?
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You know Ro, if you have a problem with how this board is moderated, start a thread and we'll discuss it. I prefer that to you hijacking threads that aren't related.
I'm only pointing out your hypocrisy!
Your political correctness is censoring, banning and hiding posts and posters you deem offensive. That's fine, but complaining about political correctness is pretty hypocritical when you're being politically correct all the time yourself.
Is it my hypocrisy? You realise a) I am not the only admin or moderator on this board and b) posters contribute to how this board is moderated. Even in the land of the VFree Mel is constantly being banned and SCOUSE's avatar had been removed. Are they hypocrites too?
It's not a matter of being politically correct but rather not allowing certain posters to run roughshod all over this board. It turns people off and we have responded to that. It's not hypocrisy to properly moderate a forum and be opposed to PCism.
And for the record, personally I don't give a fuck about neo-Nazis, rape apes and mental midgets with imaginary tourettes. What I do care about is how those idiots affect the membership of this place. I'm sorry you can't grasp that concept. I still hold out hope that one day your grey matter will sort it out but I'm not holding my breath.
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You know Ro, if you have a problem with how this board is moderated, start a thread and we'll discuss it. I prefer that to you hijacking threads that aren't related.
I'm only pointing out your hypocrisy!
Your political correctness is censoring, banning and hiding posts and posters you deem offensive. That's fine, but complaining about political correctness is pretty hypocritical when you're being politically correct all the time yourself.
There is NOTHING PC about dealing with abusive posters or cleaning up or preventing the thread bombing that they perform. Obviously you are are of the mindset that just because this is an open forum that free speech reigns. Well this forum is someone's house and we are all guests here and we all have to abide by the rules of our host and if our host deems certain things offensive, they have every right to get rid of it.
Do you bring garbage over to someones home and throw it around like you have a right to? I would hope not because if you did to me I would beat the shit out of your little effeminate ass right before I threw you out into the street. Was that UN-PC enough for you?
I wonder if he rides evs' ass for throwing me out every time she mentions free speech.
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Quote from: "RW"
You know Ro, if you have a problem with how this board is moderated, start a thread and we'll discuss it. I prefer that to you hijacking threads that aren't related.
I'm only pointing out your hypocrisy!
Your political correctness is censoring, banning and hiding posts and posters you deem offensive. That's fine, but complaining about political correctness is pretty hypocritical when you're being politically correct all the time yourself.
There is NOTHING PC about dealing with abusive posters or cleaning up or preventing the thread bombing that they perform. Obviously you are are of the mindset that just because this is an open forum that free speech reigns. Well this forum is someone's house and we are all guests here and we all have to abide by the rules of our host and if our host deems certain things offensive, they have every right to get rid of it.
Do you bring garbage over to someones home and throw it around like you have a right to? I would hope not because if you did to me I would beat the shit out of your little effeminate ass right before I threw you out into the street. Was that UN-PC enough for you?
I wonder if he rides evs' ass for throwing me out every time she mentions free speech.
I wonder if he rides evs ass about deleting Scouse's avie before we did. :icon_wink:
But that will never happen because evs love him and he clings to her leg like the hair growing down from her big black Serbian bush.
OOps, I just realized I'm all out of PC talk. I hope you don't think less of me for it. :laugh:
Probably not.
Anyway, what is going to take before we start pushing for privacy on our social media pages? If it is not open to the public, it should be considered private communication. In that, I think employers should have no right to act on the information.
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Anyway, what is going to take before we start pushing for privacy on our social media pages? If it is not open to the public, it should be considered private communication. In that, I think employers should have no right to act on the information.
You can make a FB page as private as you want it to be. Unfortunately people either don't know how or they are just looking for their 15 mins of fame.
... the negative comments were probably accurate. thumbs down to the PM for appointing this guy ...
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Apparently they were comments about his race.
Do you think the Minister shouldn't be the minister because he's East Indian?
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Apparently they were comments about his race.
Do you think the Minister shouldn't be the minister because he's East Indian?
... more so because of his association with the vancouver police department, RW ...
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Apparently they were comments about his race.
Do you think the Minister shouldn't be the minister because he's East Indian?
... more so because of his association with the vancouver police department, RW ...
Fair comment there sharkie!
Do you think our Defense Minister should have a military service background though?
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Apparently they were comments about his race.
Do you think the Minister shouldn't be the minister because he's East Indian?
... more so because of his association with the vancouver police department, RW ...
Fair comment there sharkie!
Do you think our Defense Minister should have a military service background though?
... depends on the rank. should be high ranking, like a general or something. what was this man's rank?
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Apparently they were comments about his race.
Do you think the Minister shouldn't be the minister because he's East Indian?
... more so because of his association with the vancouver police department, RW ...
Fair comment there sharkie!
Do you think our Defense Minister should have a military service background though?
... depends on the rank. should be high ranking, like a general or something. what was this man's rank?
Lieutenant-Colonel.
In addition:
His religiously required facial hair prevents the use of regular military gas masks. Sajjan invented his own gas mask that worked with his beard, and patented it in 1996.
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Fox News host Bill O'Reilly on Wednesday night challenged Donald Trump over the Republican presidential candidate's support for the deportation model used by Dwight Eisenhower in the 1950s, noting that the former president's removal of immigrants at the time was "brutal."
O'Reilly first asked Trump if he knew what Eisenhower named the deportation program.
"I do but I don't like the term. I wouldn't use the term," Trump responded, alluding to the program's title, "Operation Wetback."
The Fox host then lectured Trump about Eisenhower's deportation process, through which the U.S. deported hundreds of thousand of immigrants, often under horrific conditions. American officials dropped many of the immigrants off in remote areas of Mexico without a way to get home, and some died in the sweltering heat.
PCism isn't about avoiding offensive terminology nor does fighting PCism mean you have to be offensive. It's about being ridiculous about it.
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Yes it is. You might want to check a dictionary, cupcake.
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Yes it is. You might want to check a dictionary, cupcake.
"PCism" isn't in the dictionary ya brick hahaha
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A spokesperson for the Canadian Armed Forces would not reveal the content of the message, which was reportedly quickly removed from the social media site. But in a statement, Daniel Le Bouthillier wrote that "racist attitudes are not compatible with military ethos and with effective military service."
The offensive comments appeared less than 24 hours after Sajjan — an observant Sikh who is a former Vancouver Police officer and a decorated soldier who served three tours in Afghanistan and another in Bosnia — was sworn in as defence minister in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberal government on Nov. 4.
A source in the department of national defence said the member of the military who allegedly wrote the Facebook post is a non-commissioned officer from CFB Valcartier, near Quebec City.
"We have had an incident in which a high-ranking member of military posted negative comments on a Facebook page about our minister," wrote Chief Warrant Officer Kevin West, the military's top-ranking non-commissioned officer in an email to troops on Nov. 5 that was obtained by Le Droit.
"It's totally unacceptable. We already deal with conduct problems on a daily bases in our ranks and it's our duty, and that of our leaders, to put an end to it immediately. I was made aware of this incident and to say that I am mad is not the word."
West's email to the troops was written in English and translated into French by the newspaper. In the message, West apologized for sending an English-only email but explained that he wanted to get his message out urgently.
But Le Droit reported that the unilingual warning apparently displeased some francophone troops and a complaint has been filed with the Official Languages Commissioner's office, which enforces breaches of the Official Languages Act.
Nelson Kalil, a spokesperson for commissioner Graham Fraser could not comment on the report or confirm whether a complaint had been filed because the office was closed for Remembrance Day.
The military statement explained that the individual's commanding officer who must decide what further action, if any, is required. Other disciplinary measures can include ordering the individual into counseling, a probationary period, suspension from duty or even a recommendation of release if the incident is deemed sufficiently serious.
This story made me cringe as it strikes me as being everything that is wrong with our mamby pamby, PC society.
People have a right to their personal opinions. That right should exist outside of the workplace about the workplace and extend even further into fair comment about a political figure.
The language thing is laughable to me in its ridiculousness.
Do we have nothing better to do with our time than bitch about things that are rather insignificant?
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/11/inappropriate-facebook-post-about-defence-minister-harjit-sajjan-sparks-probe.html
I agree that there should be zero tolerance for racism in the Canadian Forces.
You want to know what it is Ro? It's when what a guy writes a supposedly racist comment on his Facebook wall about a political figure becomes national news.
It's when when young people at colleges and universities can't laugh at comedians anymore. It's when we can't talk about sensitive subjects without being labeled racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. Most importantly, it's when people think this is progress.
What it's not is discouraging actual racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. It's not removing disruptive trolls from a forum. It's definitely not an excuse to invade people's privacy.
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Quote from: "RW"
A spokesperson for the Canadian Armed Forces would not reveal the content of the message, which was reportedly quickly removed from the social media site. But in a statement, Daniel Le Bouthillier wrote that "racist attitudes are not compatible with military ethos and with effective military service."
The offensive comments appeared less than 24 hours after Sajjan — an observant Sikh who is a former Vancouver Police officer and a decorated soldier who served three tours in Afghanistan and another in Bosnia — was sworn in as defence minister in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberal government on Nov. 4.
A source in the department of national defence said the member of the military who allegedly wrote the Facebook post is a non-commissioned officer from CFB Valcartier, near Quebec City.
"We have had an incident in which a high-ranking member of military posted negative comments on a Facebook page about our minister," wrote Chief Warrant Officer Kevin West, the military's top-ranking non-commissioned officer in an email to troops on Nov. 5 that was obtained by Le Droit.
"It's totally unacceptable. We already deal with conduct problems on a daily bases in our ranks and it's our duty, and that of our leaders, to put an end to it immediately. I was made aware of this incident and to say that I am mad is not the word."
West's email to the troops was written in English and translated into French by the newspaper. In the message, West apologized for sending an English-only email but explained that he wanted to get his message out urgently.
But Le Droit reported that the unilingual warning apparently displeased some francophone troops and a complaint has been filed with the Official Languages Commissioner's office, which enforces breaches of the Official Languages Act.
Nelson Kalil, a spokesperson for commissioner Graham Fraser could not comment on the report or confirm whether a complaint had been filed because the office was closed for Remembrance Day.
The military statement explained that the individual's commanding officer who must decide what further action, if any, is required. Other disciplinary measures can include ordering the individual into counseling, a probationary period, suspension from duty or even a recommendation of release if the incident is deemed sufficiently serious.
This story made me cringe as it strikes me as being everything that is wrong with our mamby pamby, PC society.
People have a right to their personal opinions. That right should exist outside of the workplace about the workplace and extend even further into fair comment about a political figure.
The language thing is laughable to me in its ridiculousness.
Do we have nothing better to do with our time than bitch about things that are rather insignificant?
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/11/inappropriate-facebook-post-about-defence-minister-harjit-sajjan-sparks-probe.html
I agree that there should be zero tolerance for racism in the Canadian Forces.
Does that extend into a soldier's personal life?
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A spokesperson for the Canadian Armed Forces would not reveal the content of the message, which was reportedly quickly removed from the social media site. But in a statement, Daniel Le Bouthillier wrote that "racist attitudes are not compatible with military ethos and with effective military service."
The offensive comments appeared less than 24 hours after Sajjan — an observant Sikh who is a former Vancouver Police officer and a decorated soldier who served three tours in Afghanistan and another in Bosnia — was sworn in as defence minister in Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberal government on Nov. 4.
A source in the department of national defence said the member of the military who allegedly wrote the Facebook post is a non-commissioned officer from CFB Valcartier, near Quebec City.
"We have had an incident in which a high-ranking member of military posted negative comments on a Facebook page about our minister," wrote Chief Warrant Officer Kevin West, the military's top-ranking non-commissioned officer in an email to troops on Nov. 5 that was obtained by Le Droit.
"It's totally unacceptable. We already deal with conduct problems on a daily bases in our ranks and it's our duty, and that of our leaders, to put an end to it immediately. I was made aware of this incident and to say that I am mad is not the word."
West's email to the troops was written in English and translated into French by the newspaper. In the message, West apologized for sending an English-only email but explained that he wanted to get his message out urgently.
But Le Droit reported that the unilingual warning apparently displeased some francophone troops and a complaint has been filed with the Official Languages Commissioner's office, which enforces breaches of the Official Languages Act.
Nelson Kalil, a spokesperson for commissioner Graham Fraser could not comment on the report or confirm whether a complaint had been filed because the office was closed for Remembrance Day.
The military statement explained that the individual's commanding officer who must decide what further action, if any, is required. Other disciplinary measures can include ordering the individual into counseling, a probationary period, suspension from duty or even a recommendation of release if the incident is deemed sufficiently serious.
This story made me cringe as it strikes me as being everything that is wrong with our mamby pamby, PC society.
People have a right to their personal opinions. That right should exist outside of the workplace about the workplace and extend even further into fair comment about a political figure.
The language thing is laughable to me in its ridiculousness.
Do we have nothing better to do with our time than bitch about things that are rather insignificant?
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/11/11/inappropriate-facebook-post-about-defence-minister-harjit-sajjan-sparks-probe.html
I agree that there should be zero tolerance for racism in the Canadian Forces.
Does that extend into a soldier's personal life?
Should serving soldiers be allowed membership in groups like the Aryan brotherhood?
Freedom of Association n'est-ce pas?
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I have a different opinion. Those kind of organizations bring dishonour to the uniform. Same goes for the police.
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That Seinfeld thing? They didn't laugh at one of his jokes because it simply wasn't funny. Nobody complained about the joke but he just assumed it was "political correctness".
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Hypocrisy! Why shouldn't people be allowed to say what they want? If someone's racist, sexist or homophobic then they get to be called racist, sexist or homophobic.
They're just words. Don't be so easily offended!
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An Alberta federal court judge has apologized for telling a sexual assault complainant to "keep your knees together."
"I have come to recognize that things that I said and attitudes I displayed during the trial of this matter, and in my decision, caused deep and significant pain to many people," Justice Robin Camp said in a statement released by the Federal Court of Canada on Tuesday.
On Monday, the Canadian Judicial Council announced that it will review a 2014 decision made by Camp when he was a provincial court judge in Calgary.
His verdict was overturned on appeal, making way for a new trial.
In June 2014, Camp acquitted a man of sexual assault in a case involving a 19-year-old woman, deciding that the accused's version of events was more credible.
During the trial, Camp repeatedly referred to the alleged victim as "the accused," and described her as "unsavoury."
"Why couldn't you just keep your knees together?" Camp asked her, adding that her attempt to fight off her attacker sounded "very ineffectual." He also added that "sex and pain sometimes go together, that's not necessarily a bad thing."
//http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/11/12/robin-camp-judge_n_8545356.html?utm_hp_ref=canada
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I have a different opinion. Those kind of organizations bring dishonour to the uniform. Same goes for the police.
I agree seoulbro.
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You know Ro, if you have a problem with how this board is moderated, start a thread and we'll discuss it. I prefer that to you hijacking threads that aren't related.
I'm only pointing out your hypocrisy!
Your political correctness is censoring, banning and hiding posts and posters you deem offensive. That's fine, but complaining about political correctness is pretty hypocritical when you're being politically correct all the time yourself.
There is NOTHING PC about dealing with abusive posters or cleaning up or preventing the thread bombing that they perform. Obviously you are are of the mindset that just because this is an open forum that free speech reigns. Well this forum is someone's house and we are all guests here and we all have to abide by the rules of our host and if our host deems certain things offensive, they have every right to get rid of it.
Do you bring garbage over to someones home and throw it around like you have a right to? I would hope not because if you did to me I would beat the shit out of your little effeminate ass right before I threw you out into the street. Was that UN-PC enough for you?
The analogy Romero is trying to make doesn't fit.
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That Seinfeld thing? They didn't laugh at one of his jokes because it simply wasn't funny. Nobody complained about the joke but he just assumed it was "political correctness".
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Hypocrisy! Why shouldn't people be allowed to say what they want? If someone's racist, sexist or homophobic then they get to be called racist, sexist or homophobic.
They're just words. Don't be so easily offended!
The trouble is most of the time it isn't but misusing such labels diminishes true instances. We've been over this you poor blind house pet.
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I have a different opinion. Those kind of organizations bring dishonour to the uniform. Same goes for the police.
And what about when they aren't in uniform?
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I have a different opinion. Those kind of organizations bring dishonour to the uniform. Same goes for the police.
And what about when they aren't in uniform?
Membership in such anti social organizations should be grounds for dismissal from the police service or armed services. It's mu opinion only, I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but that's my two cents.
Yeah I don't agree with that. I would agree if it was considered a terrorist organization or one that partakes in illegal activities.
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Groups like the KKK ARE domestic terror groups. Almost everything they do is illegal.
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I have a different opinion. Those kind of organizations bring dishonour to the uniform. Same goes for the police.
And what about when they aren't in uniform?
Membership in such anti social organizations should be grounds for dismissal from the police service or armed services. It's mu opinion only, I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but that's my two cents.
Yep, Alberta's 2 and a half long nightmare of high wages, low taxes and the largest recipient of investment in Canada is finally over. Thank you NDP MLA baristas. We always wanted to be another Manitoba. :001_rolleyes: