THeBlueCashew

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Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Frank"Regardless of what you may feel about my viewpoint, at least you've got to admit, George W. Bush did change the world and the USA, perhaps more than any other President since Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Dubya pushed the 'needle' so far to the right, that it can't be pushed back. His invasion of Iraq changed the world forever.



He pushed your country and the rest of the world on a permanent war footing, and did the bidding of the Warhawk NeoCons at the Pentagon. If they have permanent jobs in America's Military Industrial Complex today, it's Dubya they've got to thank.  He overthrew Saddam Hussein, who in turn vowed to unleash Iraq's 'Secret Weapon' on the rest of the world. All those terrorists in Iraqi jails whom Saddam put down so ruthlessly, got out nd they and their sons would later become ISIS. So even if well-meaning neophytes like Obama and Canada's Justin Trudeau want to push the needle back, it's extremely difficult if not impossible to do so.



Like I said, Renn -  just as Hitler changed the world in the mid-twentieth century, Bush did so in the new Millenium. Eerily, when Hitler died in his bunker in 1945, it's almost as if he passed the torch onto the next antichrist who was born the next year in 1946. I once read that Dubya thought we all have a destiny in life. Well, for better or worse, it is the one of an individual known as George Walker Bush.

Quote from: "Renee"


Shaddup. Your another retard that fills windows full of text and yet you say absolutely nothing.

Joe you're such a moron. You and the rest of the weirdo Bush haters actually think dopey Bush is responsible for the rise of radical Islam.  :laugh3:



The problem is you and the rest of your idiot kind don't have the the slightest clue that the concept of Jihad and the act of jihadism is 1400 YEARS OLD.



The Europeans have been fighting radical Islam since the 8th century and we here in the US have been fighting it since the Barbary Wars durning Thomas Jefferson's administration.



But you go right ahead and have you little troll fantasy about GWB. Write paragraphs and paragraphs on that bullshit just like all the life experiences you love to troll with that your imaginary friends all seem to have. It's pretty dumb and it also fits in with your Natrodumbass idiocy. So I guess it's to be expected from the likes of an clown that uses a parents death (real or fake) to troll for attention. :negative:

Blaming any Western leader for Islamic jihad is so fucking idiotic.

Quote from: "Frank"^ Well Renn, there are quite a number of your fellow Americans who disagree with your version of history.



They firmly believe that george W. Bush's invasion of Iraq helped to create ISIS and usher in the 2nd wave of terrorism. Here's just a few links which may interest you and offer some insight about the implications of Bush's war. Sadly you must acknowledge that the US of A may have spouted its very own version of Hitler & sent the world on a path towards World War III. Just as Hitler was largely responsible for one world war, the same could be said of your ex-President, George W. Bush:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-isis-iraq_5647eccfe4b08cda348926c2



http://thediplomat.com/2014/08/iran-didnt-create-isis-we-did/



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/jeb-bush-isis_n_7284558.html



https://www.rt.com/news/230387-us-iraq-islamic-state/

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Frank"^ Well Renn, there are quite a number of your fellow Americans who disagree with your version of history.



They firmly believe that george W. Bush's invasion of Iraq helped to create ISIS and usher in the 2nd wave of terrorism. Here's just a few links which may interest you and offer some insight about the implications of Bush's war. Sadly you must acknowledge that the US of A may have spouted its very own version of Hitler & sent the world on a path towards World War III. Just as Hitler was largely responsible for one world war, the same could be said of your ex-President, George W. Bush:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-isis-iraq_5647eccfe4b08cda348926c2



http://thediplomat.com/2014/08/iran-didnt-create-isis-we-did/



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/jeb-bush-isis_n_7284558.html



https://www.rt.com/news/230387-us-iraq-islamic-state/

You know, dimwit; citing hatchet pieces out of the Huff & Puff that quote halfwits like Bernie "the ding-dong" Sanders does nothing to further your arguement. They just make you look goofier and more out of touch with reality than you already do. :laugh3:



Joe, please take my advice and give up the bullshit trolling. Your ignorance regarding US forgien policy and the issues surrounding radical Islam is nauseating.



But if you can't manage to stop trolling maybe you could just park your "limo" on a steep incline and pay a bum to release the e-break while you stand at the bottom of the hill and throw yourself under the wheels of your runaway vehicle. :001_rolleyes:



If you need any help with the planning of the above suggestion, just let me know and I will make a special trip to help you pull it off.

Quote from: "Frank"Well Renn, how do you feel that leading Republican candidates have criticized George W. Bush as well?



Donald Trump has said that Bush was largely responsible for creating ISIS and that the invasion of Iraq was a mistate, the wrong country as Democrat John Kerry also stated, was a mistake.







...and it's not just mavericks like Trump, even W's Dad voiced his concerns and criticisms of his son.



How do you reconcile that - when Bush's own kind thought he was a boob?

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Frank"^ Well Renn, there are quite a number of your fellow Americans who disagree with your version of history.



They firmly believe that george W. Bush's invasion of Iraq helped to create ISIS and usher in the 2nd wave of terrorism. Here's just a few links which may interest you and offer some insight about the implications of Bush's war. Sadly you must acknowledge that the US of A may have spouted its very own version of Hitler & sent the world on a path towards World War III. Just as Hitler was largely responsible for one world war, the same could be said of your ex-President, George W. Bush:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-isis-iraq_5647eccfe4b08cda348926c2



http://thediplomat.com/2014/08/iran-didnt-create-isis-we-did/



http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/14/jeb-bush-isis_n_7284558.html



https://www.rt.com/news/230387-us-iraq-islamic-state/

You know, dimwit; citing hatchet pieces out of the Huff & Puff that quote halfwits like Bernie "the ding-dong" Sanders does nothing to further your arguement. They just make you look goofier and more out of touch with reality than you already do. :laugh3:



Joe, please take my advice and give up the bullshit trolling. Your ignorance regarding US forgien policy and the issues surrounding radical Islam is nauseating.



But if you can't manage to stop trolling maybe you could just park your "limo" on a steep incline and pay a bum to release the e-break while you stand at the bottom of the hill and throw yourself under the wheels of your runaway vehicle. :001_rolleyes:



If you need any help with the planning of the above suggestion, just let me know and I will make a special trip to help you pull it off.

Quote from: "Renee"In 2011 when the US pulled the last of it's troops out of Iraq the insurgency that ISIS grew out of was all but defeated and Iraq was relatively stable.

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Quote from: "Renee"In 2011 when the US pulled the last of it's troops out of Iraq the insurgency that ISIS grew out of was all but defeated and Iraq was relatively stable.

Iraq was not stable in 2011 and the insurgency was nowhere near "all but defeated".



It was Bush who destabilized Iraq with America's worst quagmire since Vietnam. It was Bush who agreed to pull out the troops that should have never been there. It was Bush's people who decided to disband the Iraqi army, sending hundreds of thousands into unemployment.



Many of them became leaders in ISIS.

Quote from: "cc la femme"Nice to see Captain islam here to make excuses for / save islam as it attacks the West



OK. Today & Tomorrow!!

 islam is in the midst of destroying itself - With the rapid growth of fundyism and attacks (10 locations in France since January for just an exaple), what will happen when attacks are weekly?, then daily?

Will our cartoon character he be able to save islam then?

Quote from: "Renee"The fact remains is that ISIS in it's current form, has grown out of the Sunni insurgency in the Syrian civil war. Bush and his Admin had nothing to do with that.

QuoteThe Islamic State of Iraq was a Takfiri Islamic group that aimed to establish an Islamic state in Sunni, Arab-majority areas of Iraq. It was formed on 15 October 2006 from the merger of a number Iraqi insurgent groups, including Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn—'Al-Qaeda in Iraq'—and its Mujahideen Shura Council allies.



In 2006–2008, during the Iraq War, ISI had military units or strongholds in Mosul and in the governorates of Baghdad, Al Anbar and Diyala, and they claimed Baqubah as their capital.



In April 2013, ISI transformed itself into Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, ISIS, IS).



//https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq#Topics_2006.E2.80.932008

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "Renee"The fact remains is that ISIS in it's current form, has grown out of the Sunni insurgency in the Syrian civil war. Bush and his Admin had nothing to do with that.

QuoteThe Islamic State of Iraq was a Takfiri Islamic group that aimed to establish an Islamic state in Sunni, Arab-majority areas of Iraq. It was formed on 15 October 2006 from the merger of a number Iraqi insurgent groups, including Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn—'Al-Qaeda in Iraq'—and its Mujahideen Shura Council allies.



In 2006–2008, during the Iraq War, ISI had military units or strongholds in Mosul and in the governorates of Baghdad, Al Anbar and Diyala, and they claimed Baqubah as their capital.



In April 2013, ISI transformed itself into Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, ISIS, IS).



//https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq#Topics_2006.E2.80.932008

Quote"By 2008, the surge and the Awakening—as the Iraqi effort is commonly known—had driven Al-Qaeda militants into neighboring Syria, quelling much of the violence in Iraq. Bush then negotiated an agreement, which was approved by the Iraqi parliament, giving U.S. forces permission to remain in the country until 2011"



"Three years later, al-Maliki had so thoroughly alienated Sunnis that when ISIS fighters began to slip across the border from Syria, they found a receptive ear in some Sunni areas for their anti-Shiite beliefs."

Quote"But, as the last Americans left Iraq, there came the great uprising in Syria that pitted the country's vast Sunni majority against the ruthless regime of Bashar al-Assad. Syria quickly dissolved into anarchy. Desperate and seeing an opportunity, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State of Iraq, dispatched a handful of soldiers to Syria, where, in a matter of months, they had gathered an army of followers and had begun attacking the Assad regime. Suddenly, Baghdadi's group—which had been staggering toward the grave only months before—was regaining strength. In 2013, the I.S.I. became the Islamic State of Iraq in Syria. ISIS was born."

Quote"Finally, in June, 2014, legions of ISIS fighters swept out of Syria and grabbed huge swathes of northern and western Iraq. That prompted President Obama to order American troops to help save the Iraqi Army"

Quote"While it's true that George W. Bush took actions that helped enable the creation of the Iraqi insurgency, and that some leaders of the insurgency formed ISIS, it's not true that he "created" ISIS."

Quote from: "cc la femme"it "seems" as though he is ONLY interested in excusing islam and doesn't give a damn about deliberate civilian Western victims of islam ... Likely my imagination, eh?



What's he going to do when attacks within the west become a regular thing soon? .. in fact, 5 separate attacks and 10 locations in France alone since Jan. is sure indicating a direction

Quote from: "Frank"

Quote from: "Renee"Shut up about Nostradumbass. Europe was being invaded by Muslims and fighting jahadis centuries before that clown was even born. Only idiots put any stock in his nonsensical quatrains.

....well too bad GW Bush and company didn't, eh Renn?



Coulda saved your country and its people a lotta grief, time and money.



Anyways, regarding the Iraq War, here's what N. had ta say, Renn:

Quote'Mabus' then will soon die, there will come

Of people and beasts a horrible rout:

Then suddenly one will see vengeance,

Hundred, hand, thirst, hunger when the comet will run.



Century 2, Quatrain 62

it's widely thought that 'Mabus' is 'Sudam' spelled backwards in a mirror.

And the hundred hands are the US senators  who voted on the invasion of Iraq.

QuoteThe antichrist very soon annihilates the three

twenty-seven years his war will last.

The unbelievers are dead, captive, exiled;

with blood, human bodies, water and red hail covering the earth.

The 'antichrist' seems to refer to George W. Bush and his assassination of Saddam Hussein and his sons, Uday and Qusay. Bush ordered all three hunted down and killed. He got his wish.



http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2003/07/24/udayqusay2.jpg (Warning: Extremely graphic and gory image. View at own risk)



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The result - Iraq is splitting apart at the seams, all hell has broken loose, red hail (blood) showers the earth, and the war Bush started will last a very long long time. ie - the ISIS, which has sprung up to replace the void in Iraq. War without end, peace a wishful fantasy.through his shock and awe Blitzkrieg methods, Bush totally destroyed whatever stability had existed in Iraq. He's truly the father of the violence which is destroying the region and without him, ISIS would never have existed.



As for George W. Bush, He's often referred to President '666'. The day he was born is a 6. His name in Hebrew and Greek numerology is the equivalent of a '6'. and the day that he became president in his first term is also a 6. This guy has 6's written all over him. In the Bible, revelations, the antichrist figure is referred to as an individual have the number 666. Anything shy of the Magic 7 denotes imperfection.



Anyways, there are many references by Nostradamus about 'Mesopotamia' (modern day Iraq) and the rise of 'Persia' (Modern day Iran). Of course, Iran is gearing up to get the nuclear bomb, and the USA seems to be helping them every step of the way, so N's prediction probably isn't far off.