Title: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Renee on November 17, 2015, 09:24:53 AM
Post by: Renee on November 17, 2015, 09:24:53 AM
[size=150]Charlie Sheen Reveals He's HIV Positive[/size]
Charlie Sheen appeared on the Today show Tuesday morning where he confirmed reports that he is HIV positive.
"I am in fact HIV positive," Sheen said, admitting that he was diagnosed roughly four years ago. "I have to put a stop to this onslaught, this barrage of attacks of sub-truths and very, very harmful stories that are about threatening the health of so many others which couldn't be farther from the truth."
The former Two and a Half Men star sat down for a live interview with Today show anchor Matt Lauer, revealing that he's paid people to keep his diagnosis quiet.
Sheen said that he started having symptoms that included "a series of cluster headaches," and "sweating the bed." He said he spent two to three nights in a row being emergency hospitalized.
"I thought I had a brain tumor. I thought it was over," Sheen told Lauer. "After a battery of tests, they walked in the room and said, 'Boom, here is what's going on.' It's a hard three letters to absorb. You know? It's a turning point in one's life."
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: RW on November 17, 2015, 12:00:05 PM
Post by: RW on November 17, 2015, 12:00:05 PM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Renee on November 17, 2015, 02:40:36 PM
Post by: Renee on November 17, 2015, 02:40:36 PM
Not even a little bit.Quote from: "RW"
Wasn't for me either. In fact I'm more surprised that the guy is even still alive.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: RW on November 17, 2015, 02:51:15 PM
Post by: RW on November 17, 2015, 02:51:15 PM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Renee on November 17, 2015, 03:08:30 PM
Post by: Renee on November 17, 2015, 03:08:30 PM
I'm surprise there isn't a long list of women who are now HIV positive too.Quote from: "RW"
I have a feeling that some of that has yet to be determined.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2015, 05:52:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2015, 05:52:23 PM
I was a little surprised when I read it. But, I am not surprised after a minute.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2015, 07:57:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2015, 07:57:00 PM
No not surprised, but I'm saddened for so many people.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Bricktop on November 17, 2015, 09:34:42 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 17, 2015, 09:34:42 PM
What IS a surprise is that someone of authority in this popsicle stand had a moment of extreme and nonsensical madness, during which they saw fit to appoint Renee as a moderator.
Firstly, giving an AMERICAN any position of authority is a recipe for corruption, abuse of power, and malicious conduct, vis a vis the many examples of their police shooting innocent, unarmed civilians.
Secondly, attempting to transmogrify Renee from a disturbed and disturbing disaster of a poster into a monitor of others conduct is certainly putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
This is the end of days, the final countdown, the fat into the fire (pun well and truly intended). I am your salvation, children...
Make me welcome...
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2015, 09:58:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2015, 09:58:46 PM
No.Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
What IS a surprise is that someone of authority in this popsicle stand had a moment of extreme and nonsensical madness, during which they saw fit to appoint Renee as a moderator.
Firstly, giving an AMERICAN any position of authority is a recipe for corruption, abuse of power, and malicious conduct, vis a vis the many examples of their police shooting innocent, unarmed civilians.
Secondly, attempting to transmogrify Renee from a disturbed and disturbing disaster of a poster into a monitor of others conduct is certainly putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
This is the end of days, the final countdown, the fat into the fire (pun well and truly intended). I am your salvation, children...
Make me welcome...
You are always welcome Mr. Crowley, you know that.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Renee on November 17, 2015, 10:33:33 PM
Post by: Renee on November 17, 2015, 10:33:33 PM
No.Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
What IS a surprise is that someone of authority in this popsicle stand had a moment of extreme and nonsensical madness, during which they saw fit to appoint Renee as a moderator.
Firstly, giving an AMERICAN any position of authority is a recipe for corruption, abuse of power, and malicious conduct, vis a vis the many examples of their police shooting innocent, unarmed civilians.
Secondly, attempting to transmogrify Renee from a disturbed and disturbing disaster of a poster into a monitor of others conduct is certainly putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
This is the end of days, the final countdown, the fat into the fire (pun well and truly intended). I am your salvation, children...
Make me welcome...
Oh he's back. How wonderful. I thought I smelled something like used adult diapers and rotten meat.
So is the baby done with his tantrum? Are there no new grenades for you to throw yourself upon for the good of the forum? I guess martyrdom didn't suit you so you just had to drag your moldering carcass back here to beg for crumbs.
Seriously, WTF are you doing here? Your callow lilly livered presence is nauseating. Isn't there some troll retirement village for you to reside? Isn't there a graveyard where old prissy, Dingo diddling, cowards can go to die? If you don't know of one off hand, I strongly suggest you do some quick research and FIND one.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2015, 10:45:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2015, 10:45:23 PM
No.Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
What IS a surprise is that someone of authority in this popsicle stand had a moment of extreme and nonsensical madness, during which they saw fit to appoint Renee as a moderator.
Firstly, giving an AMERICAN any position of authority is a recipe for corruption, abuse of power, and malicious conduct, vis a vis the many examples of their police shooting innocent, unarmed civilians.
Secondly, attempting to transmogrify Renee from a disturbed and disturbing disaster of a poster into a monitor of others conduct is certainly putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
This is the end of days, the final countdown, the fat into the fire (pun well and truly intended). I am your salvation, children...
Make me welcome...
You're back? The long winded one is back.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Bricktop on November 17, 2015, 11:32:23 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 17, 2015, 11:32:23 PM
If the corpulent keyturner thinks for one moment she can subjugate ME, she has a number of other thoughts en route. I'm the freedom rider at the gates of salvation, meat sack, and if you get in my way, you'll become the biggest speed hump since the Rockies.
You will be pleased to know I am no less sweet and charitable for my sequester. Au contraire, I am even more lovable.
But not only has Renee been legged up...(oops, that should read fork-lifted up), but I see where Shen Li has sprouted again. Didn't take long after the one baby per couple rule was dropped, did it? Is it true that the baby's father is a hockey team?
Now, quit your sobbing and wailing, chumps. Mr Crowley is in the house...and I see dead people.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Bricktop on November 17, 2015, 11:33:03 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 17, 2015, 11:33:03 PM
No.Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
What IS a surprise is that someone of authority in this popsicle stand had a moment of extreme and nonsensical madness, during which they saw fit to appoint Renee as a moderator.
Firstly, giving an AMERICAN any position of authority is a recipe for corruption, abuse of power, and malicious conduct, vis a vis the many examples of their police shooting innocent, unarmed civilians.
Secondly, attempting to transmogrify Renee from a disturbed and disturbing disaster of a poster into a monitor of others conduct is certainly putting the fox in charge of the hen house.
This is the end of days, the final countdown, the fat into the fire (pun well and truly intended). I am your salvation, children...
Make me welcome...
You're back? The long winded one is back.
Yeah, and that long wind will blow your ass down.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: cc on November 18, 2015, 01:46:17 AM
Post by: cc on November 18, 2015, 01:46:17 AM
You're back? The long winded one is back.Quote
"back"? hmmm .. I didn't know he was here in the first place.
He sounds long winded
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Bricktop on November 18, 2015, 02:24:50 AM
Post by: Bricktop on November 18, 2015, 02:24:50 AM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2015, 03:40:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2015, 03:40:53 AM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2015, 07:22:55 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2015, 07:22:55 AM
Alister Crowley used to legit bang goats. Just fyi. He was a total goat fucker. He ate feces, too.Quote from: "Dove"
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2015, 07:34:08 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2015, 07:34:08 AM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Renee on November 18, 2015, 07:53:32 AM
Post by: Renee on November 18, 2015, 07:53:32 AM
You don't know who Crowley is, do you? Don't even Google it.Quote from: "Dove"
Yeah he was a total off the rails creep. No surprises all the way around in this thread.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Bricktop on November 18, 2015, 05:57:49 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 18, 2015, 05:57:49 PM
You don't know who Crowley is, do you? Don't even Google it.Quote from: "Dove"
And you're gonna love ME, toots....
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Bricktop on November 18, 2015, 05:58:57 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 18, 2015, 05:58:57 PM
You don't know who Crowley is, do you? Don't even Google it.Quote from: "Dove"
Yeah he was a total off the rails creep. No surprises all the way around in this thread.:laugh3:
Shaddup, lardpop. At least I could fit between the rails.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2015, 10:41:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2015, 10:41:36 PM
That's usually what shock fringe "alternative" belief people say, before they have a really bad time. Just sayin.You don't know who Crowley is, do you? Don't even Google it.Quote from: "Dove"
And you're gonna love ME, toots....
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Renee on November 18, 2015, 11:23:44 PM
Post by: Renee on November 18, 2015, 11:23:44 PM
You don't know who Crowley is, do you? Don't even Google it.Quote from: "Dove"
Yeah he was a total off the rails creep. No surprises all the way around in this thread.:laugh3:
Shaddup, lardpop. At least I could fit between the rails.
You couldn't fit your swollen head through a barn door.
STFU.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Bricktop on November 19, 2015, 07:32:34 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 19, 2015, 07:32:34 PM
You don't know who Crowley is, do you? Don't even Google it.Quote from: "Dove"
And you're gonna love ME, toots....
Or a really good one!!!
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2015, 08:32:08 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2015, 08:32:08 PM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2015, 12:55:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2015, 12:55:19 AM
If you call meltdowns punctuated by occasional statements of glee and over use of smilies a good time...perhaps. we shall see ;)You don't know who Crowley is, do you? Don't even Google it.Quote from: "Dove"
And you're gonna love ME, toots....
Or a really good one!!!
:evilthoughts2:
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Annie on November 20, 2015, 03:23:23 AM
Post by: Annie on November 20, 2015, 03:23:23 AM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Renee on November 20, 2015, 07:40:16 AM
Post by: Renee on November 20, 2015, 07:40:16 AM
He claims that he was blackmailed because a few pros found his meds and were putting 2 and 2 together. He's a crazy sleazoid piece of overly entitled garbage and he thinks that by coming clean on this he will somehow be absolved of any further legal entanglements.
In the state of "Kalifornia", if you knowingly infect another person with HIV or AIDS, thru any means, you can be criminally prosecuted. I have a feeling this story isn't over yet folks.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: keeper on November 20, 2015, 08:11:08 AM
Post by: keeper on November 20, 2015, 08:11:08 AM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 20, 2015, 07:37:30 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 20, 2015, 07:37:30 PM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2015, 09:01:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2015, 09:01:50 PM
Why is this news?Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We like people in the limelight. We elected an unqualified dunce because of his looks and style, but no substance. In the states, Trump is a frontrunner for the Republicans, Al Franken and Sonny Bono were elected to the senate, Arnold Schwarzenegger was California governor, Jon Bon Jovi and Howard Stern have both made serious consideration for a run at governor of their states. It's about the celebrities baby.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Annie on November 20, 2015, 09:12:55 PM
Post by: Annie on November 20, 2015, 09:12:55 PM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
I here most people think he deserves it. For whatever reason he felt the need to sleep with so many women, many being prostitutes I feel bad for him.Quote from: "GrAnnie"
I do not feel sorry for Sheen.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Annie on November 20, 2015, 10:59:23 PM
Post by: Annie on November 20, 2015, 10:59:23 PM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 03:53:47 AM
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 03:53:47 AM
The way I see it is that he was missing something in his life for a long time like attention or love but didn't receive it as he had expected or he's a sex addict. I read a while back that David Duchovny is a sex addict. Maybe he just needed a support group but never went? Do they even have groups for that? lolQuote from: "GrAnnie"
I don't know GrAnnie.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Renee on November 21, 2015, 10:18:06 AM
Post by: Renee on November 21, 2015, 10:18:06 AM
Why is this news?Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We like people in the limelight. We elected an unqualified dunce because of his looks and style, but no substance. In the states, Trump is a frontrunner for the Republicans, Al Franken and Sonny Bono were elected to the senate, Arnold Schwarzenegger was California governor, Jon Bon Jovi and Howard Stern have both made serious consideration for a run at governor of their states. It's about the celebrities baby.
What's the difference between the celebs you mention and the average career politician?
Oh, I know.....nothing.
For the most part they are all clowns.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: the shark hunter on November 21, 2015, 03:46:37 PM
Post by: the shark hunter on November 21, 2015, 03:46:37 PM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 07:36:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 07:36:24 PM
Why is this news?Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We like people in the limelight. We elected an unqualified dunce because of his looks and style, but no substance. In the states, Trump is a frontrunner for the Republicans, Al Franken and Sonny Bono were elected to the senate, Arnold Schwarzenegger was California governor, Jon Bon Jovi and Howard Stern have both made serious consideration for a run at governor of their states. It's about the celebrities baby.
What's the difference between the celebs you mention and the average career politician?ac_umm
Oh, I know.....nothing.
For the most part they are all clowns.
My point Renee, was that Kim K would have a better chance of being elected to office in North America that an educated person with a cv that includes business ownership, philanthropy and public service. I am ready to give up on politics. But, Saskatchewan is the exception. Our premier is worthy of the office he holds.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Bricktop on November 21, 2015, 08:38:13 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 21, 2015, 08:38:13 PM
Why is this news?Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We like people in the limelight. We elected an unqualified dunce because of his looks and style, but no substance. In the states, Trump is a frontrunner for the Republicans, Al Franken and Sonny Bono were elected to the senate, Arnold Schwarzenegger was California governor, Jon Bon Jovi and Howard Stern have both made serious consideration for a run at governor of their states. It's about the celebrities baby.
What's the difference between the celebs you mention and the average career politician?ac_umm
Oh, I know.....nothing.
For the most part they are all clowns.
Jesus, the stupid is thick in here.
Electing celebs because they are celebs is an American characteristic. Add Reagan to the above list. Jesse Ventura (seriously)?
If Michael Jackson were alive today, HE'D be running for President with Kanye West as his sidekick.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 09:46:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2015, 09:46:27 PM
... i feel very sad for sheen regarding his health misfortune. i can't understand why anyone would say he deserves it. he hasn't done anything to anyone to be the target of that type of bad karma ...Quote from: "the shark hunter"
What people are upset about is he may have had unprotected sexual intercourse and not told his partners that he is hiv positive.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Annie on November 21, 2015, 11:44:03 PM
Post by: Annie on November 21, 2015, 11:44:03 PM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Renee on November 22, 2015, 09:55:22 AM
Post by: Renee on November 22, 2015, 09:55:22 AM
Why is this news?Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We like people in the limelight. We elected an unqualified dunce because of his looks and style, but no substance. In the states, Trump is a frontrunner for the Republicans, Al Franken and Sonny Bono were elected to the senate, Arnold Schwarzenegger was California governor, Jon Bon Jovi and Howard Stern have both made serious consideration for a run at governor of their states. It's about the celebrities baby.
What's the difference between the celebs you mention and the average career politician?ac_umm
Oh, I know.....nothing.
For the most part they are all clowns.
Jesus, the stupid is thick in here.
Electing celebs because they are celebs is an American characteristic. Add Reagan to the above list. Jesse Ventura (seriously)?
If Michael Jackson were alive today, HE'D be running for President with Kanye West as his sidekick.
Another Maroon who thinks the average career politician is somehow endowed with special abilities to lead and govern. Many people from all walks of life are qualified to hold elected office. Since most political positions amount to nothing more than a warm body taking up space, there is no special abilities or even a brain involved in the equation.
I will give you a pass on this because you are still of the generation that thinks their political leaders should be cut from the days of iron men and wooden ships. But in the reality of today, nothing could be further from the truth.
Yes the stupid is thick in here and nowhere is it more so than with you.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Renee on November 22, 2015, 10:12:06 AM
Post by: Renee on November 22, 2015, 10:12:06 AM
Why is this news?Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We like people in the limelight. We elected an unqualified dunce because of his looks and style, but no substance. In the states, Trump is a frontrunner for the Republicans, Al Franken and Sonny Bono were elected to the senate, Arnold Schwarzenegger was California governor, Jon Bon Jovi and Howard Stern have both made serious consideration for a run at governor of their states. It's about the celebrities baby.
What's the difference between the celebs you mention and the average career politician?ac_umm
Oh, I know.....nothing.
For the most part they are all clowns.My point Renee, was that Kim K would have a better chance of being elected to office in North America that an educated person with a cv that includes business ownership, philanthropy and public service. I am ready to give up on politics. But, Saskatchewan is the exception. Our premier is worthy of the office he holds.
I highly doubt that.
While a certain percentage of people are stupid enough to vote based on celebrity name recognition only. It's my experience that it's only common in pockets of extreme idiocy like Southern California. Or in places where the left holds sway over entire voting blocks of tax guzzling, non-producers. After all, with a few exceptions, most celebs run on the left side of the political ticket. It's small wonder why those that would seriously consider voting for them are morons.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: the shark hunter on November 22, 2015, 12:11:25 PM
Post by: the shark hunter on November 22, 2015, 12:11:25 PM
... i feel very sad for sheen regarding his health misfortune. i can't understand why anyone would say he deserves it. he hasn't done anything to anyone to be the target of that type of bad karma ...Quote from: "the shark hunter"
What people are upset about is he may have had unprotected sexual intercourse and not told his partners that he is hiv positive.
... i see. but by the same token, sheen was the victim of that type of behavior himself. that's likely how he was infected ...
... and to answer the question posed in the topic title, yes it was a surprise to hear this news, it was for me anyway. it's not very often you hear that a movie star has this disease ...
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Bricktop on November 22, 2015, 05:41:29 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 22, 2015, 05:41:29 PM
Why is this news?Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We like people in the limelight. We elected an unqualified dunce because of his looks and style, but no substance. In the states, Trump is a frontrunner for the Republicans, Al Franken and Sonny Bono were elected to the senate, Arnold Schwarzenegger was California governor, Jon Bon Jovi and Howard Stern have both made serious consideration for a run at governor of their states. It's about the celebrities baby.
What's the difference between the celebs you mention and the average career politician?ac_umm
Oh, I know.....nothing.
For the most part they are all clowns.
Jesus, the stupid is thick in here.
Electing celebs because they are celebs is an American characteristic. Add Reagan to the above list. Jesse Ventura (seriously)?
If Michael Jackson were alive today, HE'D be running for President with Kanye West as his sidekick.
Another Maroon who thinks the average career politician is somehow endowed with special abilities to lead and govern. Many people from all walks of life are qualified to hold elected office. Since most political positions amount to nothing more than a warm body taking up space, there is no special abilities or even a brain involved in the equation.
I will give you a pass on this because you are still of the generation that thinks their political leaders should be cut from the days of iron men and wooden ships. But in the reality of today, nothing could be further from the truth.
Yes the stupid is thick in here and nowhere is it more so than with you.
You assume too much, and know too little. I abhor the way politicians are created and ensconced in our political system.
Nonetheless, there is a substantial difference between our Westminster system and your "system", such as it is.
In the Westminster system, we do not elect political leaders. I will be the first to admit that it is a woeful situation, as leaders are elected by their party flunkies...however, it does mean that there is an element of nurturing, development and growth that takes place before a politican reaches the apogee of the political pyramid.
In our system, Shwarzenegger, Ventura, Bono, Eastwood, Reagan et al would never have achieved high office. The fact that they are "celebrities" would have probably acted against them. Now, I take your point in that it does not mean we get better leaders. In my view, all politicians in the current political environment are scum. But, we can and do claim that our elected representatives are not appointed for the shallowest of reasons; they act (badly) in movies.
If Schwarzenegger or Ventura were an accountant and car salesman respectively, they would have never been elected...regardless of their capability.
America worships celebrities.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2015, 07:42:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on November 22, 2015, 07:42:24 PM
Why is this news?Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
We like people in the limelight. We elected an unqualified dunce because of his looks and style, but no substance. In the states, Trump is a frontrunner for the Republicans, Al Franken and Sonny Bono were elected to the senate, Arnold Schwarzenegger was California governor, Jon Bon Jovi and Howard Stern have both made serious consideration for a run at governor of their states. It's about the celebrities baby.
What's the difference between the celebs you mention and the average career politician?ac_umm
Oh, I know.....nothing.
For the most part they are all clowns.
Jesus, the stupid is thick in here.
Electing celebs because they are celebs is an American characteristic. Add Reagan to the above list. Jesse Ventura (seriously)?
If Michael Jackson were alive today, HE'D be running for President with Kanye West as his sidekick.
Another Maroon who thinks the average career politician is somehow endowed with special abilities to lead and govern. Many people from all walks of life are qualified to hold elected office. Since most political positions amount to nothing more than a warm body taking up space, there is no special abilities or even a brain involved in the equation.
I will give you a pass on this because you are still of the generation that thinks their political leaders should be cut from the days of iron men and wooden ships. But in the reality of today, nothing could be further from the truth.
Yes the stupid is thick in here and nowhere is it more so than with you.
You assume too much, and know too little. I abhor the way politicians are created and ensconced in our political system.
Nonetheless, there is a substantial difference between our Westminster system and your "system", such as it is.
In the Westminster system, we do not elect political leaders. I will be the first to admit that it is a woeful situation, as leaders are elected by their party flunkies...however, it does mean that there is an element of nurturing, development and growth that takes place before a politican reaches the apogee of the political pyramid.
In our system, Shwarzenegger, Ventura, Bono, Eastwood, Reagan et al would never have achieved high office. The fact that they are "celebrities" would have probably acted against them. Now, I take your point in that it does not mean we get better leaders. In my view, all politicians in the current political environment are scum. But, we can and do claim that our elected representatives are not appointed for the shallowest of reasons; they act (badly) in movies.
If Schwarzenegger or Ventura were an accountant and car salesman respectively, they would have never been elected...regardless of their capability.
America worships celebrities.
What about Peter Garret of Midnight Oil? He was a cabinet minister in a former Labor government.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: Bricktop on November 22, 2015, 08:51:23 PM
Post by: Bricktop on November 22, 2015, 08:51:23 PM
Worse, Garret was parachuted into a safe labour seat to get him into Parliament (at least he was a far lefty in a far lefty electorate and any idiot nominated by the Labour Party would have walked it in).
He actually became a Minister when the left gained power...and surprise, surprise, was regarded by all and sundry as an inept, incompetent and befuddled rock singer way out of his depth as a manager, leader, achiever and nation builder.
He typifies what is wrong with OUR system.
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 22, 2015, 09:28:40 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on November 22, 2015, 09:28:40 PM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: kiebers on November 23, 2015, 12:39:26 PM
Post by: kiebers on November 23, 2015, 12:39:26 PM
Title: Re: Is This Really a Surprise?
Post by: RW on November 23, 2015, 03:21:55 PM
Post by: RW on November 23, 2015, 03:21:55 PM
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I'd become American just to vote for more cowbell!
Love it!