*For money?
*To make a difference?
*Make sure you pay your fair share?
*You thrive on it?
*You want to help others?
*Achievement?
*You like what you do?
*Other
Look folks, I am not trying to be sanctimonious. Any reason you give is valid and I will not judge. I would check all the reasons I stated. I could not imagine doing anything else besides what I do.
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*To make a difference?
*Make sure you pay your fair share?
*You thrive on it?
*You want to help others?
*Achievement?
*You like what you do?
*Other
Look folks, I am not trying to be sanctimonious. Any reason you give is valid and I will not judge. I would check all the reasons I stated. I could not imagine doing anything else besides what I do.
First would be for my family..
Everything else is far behind that.
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*To make a difference?
*Make sure you pay your fair share?
*You thrive on it?
*You want to help others?
*Achievement?
*You like what you do?
*Other
Look folks, I am not trying to be sanctimonious. Any reason you give is valid and I will not judge. I would check all the reasons I stated. I could not imagine doing anything else besides what I do.
What a stupid question. :crazy:
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*To make a difference?
*Make sure you pay your fair share?
*You thrive on it?
*You want to help others?
*Achievement?
*You like what you do?
*Other
Look folks, I am not trying to be sanctimonious. Any reason you give is valid and I will not judge. I would check all the reasons I stated. I could not imagine doing anything else besides what I do.
Money and I don't know how to do anything other than the patch.
The body has to eat and I'm not the type to take handouts.
It's all about survival. It's a harsh world and I was taught that you better be prepared to scratch and claw for everything and that means, among other things, gainful employment.
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It's all about survival. It's a harsh world and I was taught that you better be prepared to scratch and claw for everything and that means, among other things, gainful employment.
I grew up on a farm. I was driving combines when I was ten. My ex wife and I made a mistake with our son. We both grew up on farms and working from kids and we thought it was best that we not make our son work as a kid. What a mistake that was. He is 24 and does not take work or life seriously.
I do not live to work. I work to live and all that entails.
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I work to live too I would say.
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It's all about survival. It's a harsh world and I was taught that you better be prepared to scratch and claw for everything and that means, among other things, gainful employment.
I grew up on a farm. I was driving combines when I was ten. My ex wife and I made a mistake with our son. We both grew up on farms and working from kids and we thought it was best that we not make our son work as a kid. What a mistake that was.
You aren't alone. I have a few extended family members that are the same way and they are a lot older than 24. :mad:
A few of them have never held a legit job in their lives. They steal and scam people like it's only way to live. A few of them are quite good at it; still a few others have spent time in prison for it because they aren't good at it. But that doesn't change them one bit.
I believe that you are either born with an inner drive or spark which is easily nurtured under the right circumstances or you simply aren't. Unfortunately a lot of people aren't born with that inner drive and they just float along in life no matter what or how they are nurtured or raised. At 24 I'm not sure you can judge someone as not being serious about life or work especially when they are still under mommy and daddies wing. Perhaps a taste of reality will bring him around, it usually does. ac_biggrin
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It's all about survival. It's a harsh world and I was taught that you better be prepared to scratch and claw for everything and that means, among other things, gainful employment.
I grew up on a farm. I was driving combines when I was ten. My ex wife and I made a mistake with our son. We both grew up on farms and working from kids and we thought it was best that we not make our son work as a kid. What a mistake that was.
You aren't alone. I have a few extended family members that are the same way and they are a lot older than 24. :mad:
A few of them have never held a legit job in their lives. They steal and scam people like it's only way to live. A few of them are quite good at it; still a few others have spent time in prison for it because they aren't good at it. But that doesn't change them one bit.
I believe that you are either born with an inner drive or spark which is easily nurtured under the right circumstances or you simply aren't. Unfortunately a lot of people aren't born with that inner drive and they just float along in life no matter what or how they are nurtured or raised. At 24 I'm not sure you can judge someone as not being serious about life or work especially when they are still under mommy and daddies wing. Perhaps a taste of reality will bring him around, it usually does. ac_biggrin
My son is in Australia right now. When he's out of money, he'll come home and live off of me or his mother. I was a dad at his age and paying a mortgage.
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It's all about survival. It's a harsh world and I was taught that you better be prepared to scratch and claw for everything and that means, among other things, gainful employment.
I grew up on a farm. I was driving combines when I was ten. My ex wife and I made a mistake with our son. We both grew up on farms and working from kids and we thought it was best that we not make our son work as a kid. What a mistake that was.
You aren't alone. I have a few extended family members that are the same way and they are a lot older than 24. :mad:
A few of them have never held a legit job in their lives. They steal and scam people like it's only way to live. A few of them are quite good at it; still a few others have spent time in prison for it because they aren't good at it. But that doesn't change them one bit.
I believe that you are either born with an inner drive or spark which is easily nurtured under the right circumstances or you simply aren't. Unfortunately a lot of people aren't born with that inner drive and they just float along in life no matter what or how they are nurtured or raised. At 24 I'm not sure you can judge someone as not being serious about life or work especially when they are still under mommy and daddies wing. Perhaps a taste of reality will bring him around, it usually does. ac_biggrin
My son is in Australia right now. When he's out of money, he'll come home and live off of me or his mother. I was a dad at his age and paying a mortgage.
Australia! Good God man get him out of there before he is completely deluded into thinking that he is all that and a bag of chips. Does he like the flies, deadly insects and snakes so much that he has chosen to live there? Maybe you need to punch him in the head. :laugh:
Seriously though he is still young. If he is 28 or 30 and still hasn't gotten his shit together, then you have a real problem. Just hope he doesn't find a like minded woman and marry her. They will be living in an apartment in your basement until you die. :laugh:
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It's all about survival. It's a harsh world and I was taught that you better be prepared to scratch and claw for everything and that means, among other things, gainful employment.
I grew up on a farm. I was driving combines when I was ten. My ex wife and I made a mistake with our son. We both grew up on farms and working from kids and we thought it was best that we not make our son work as a kid. What a mistake that was.
You aren't alone. I have a few extended family members that are the same way and they are a lot older than 24. :mad:
A few of them have never held a legit job in their lives. They steal and scam people like it's only way to live. A few of them are quite good at it; still a few others have spent time in prison for it because they aren't good at it. But that doesn't change them one bit.
I believe that you are either born with an inner drive or spark which is easily nurtured under the right circumstances or you simply aren't. Unfortunately a lot of people aren't born with that inner drive and they just float along in life no matter what or how they are nurtured or raised. At 24 I'm not sure you can judge someone as not being serious about life or work especially when they are still under mommy and daddies wing. Perhaps a taste of reality will bring him around, it usually does. ac_biggrin
My son is in Australia right now. When he's out of money, he'll come home and live off of me or his mother. I was a dad at his age and paying a mortgage.
Australia! Good God man get him out of there before he is completely deluded into thinking that he is all that and a bag of chips. Does he like the flies, deadly insects and snakes so much that he has chosen to live there? Maybe you need to punch him in the head. :laugh:
Seriously though he is still young. If he is 28 or 30 and still hasn't gotten his shit together, then you have a real problem. Just hope he doesn't find a like minded woman and marry her. They will be living in an apartment in your basement until you die. :laugh:
I hope you are right. The ex and I cannot relate to this kid. We spoiled him rotten and it shows.
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It's all about survival. It's a harsh world and I was taught that you better be prepared to scratch and claw for everything and that means, among other things, gainful employment.
I grew up on a farm. I was driving combines when I was ten. My ex wife and I made a mistake with our son. We both grew up on farms and working from kids and we thought it was best that we not make our son work as a kid. What a mistake that was.
You aren't alone. I have a few extended family members that are the same way and they are a lot older than 24. :mad:
A few of them have never held a legit job in their lives. They steal and scam people like it's only way to live. A few of them are quite good at it; still a few others have spent time in prison for it because they aren't good at it. But that doesn't change them one bit.
I believe that you are either born with an inner drive or spark which is easily nurtured under the right circumstances or you simply aren't. Unfortunately a lot of people aren't born with that inner drive and they just float along in life no matter what or how they are nurtured or raised. At 24 I'm not sure you can judge someone as not being serious about life or work especially when they are still under mommy and daddies wing. Perhaps a taste of reality will bring him around, it usually does. ac_biggrin
My son is in Australia right now. When he's out of money, he'll come home and live off of me or his mother. I was a dad at his age and paying a mortgage.
Some people take longer to transition into adulthood Herman..
I agree with Renee, twenty four is too young to say he's not serious about life.
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It's all about survival. It's a harsh world and I was taught that you better be prepared to scratch and claw for everything and that means, among other things, gainful employment.
I grew up on a farm. I was driving combines when I was ten. My ex wife and I made a mistake with our son. We both grew up on farms and working from kids and we thought it was best that we not make our son work as a kid. What a mistake that was.
You aren't alone. I have a few extended family members that are the same way and they are a lot older than 24. :mad:
A few of them have never held a legit job in their lives. They steal and scam people like it's only way to live. A few of them are quite good at it; still a few others have spent time in prison for it because they aren't good at it. But that doesn't change them one bit.
I believe that you are either born with an inner drive or spark which is easily nurtured under the right circumstances or you simply aren't. Unfortunately a lot of people aren't born with that inner drive and they just float along in life no matter what or how they are nurtured or raised. At 24 I'm not sure you can judge someone as not being serious about life or work especially when they are still under mommy and daddies wing. Perhaps a taste of reality will bring him around, it usually does. ac_biggrin
My son is in Australia right now. When he's out of money, he'll come home and live off of me or his mother. I was a dad at his age and paying a mortgage.
I am a lot older than 24 and I am still single. I feel pressure from family to get married right away and have a son.
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It's all about survival. It's a harsh world and I was taught that you better be prepared to scratch and claw for everything and that means, among other things, gainful employment.
I grew up on a farm. I was driving combines when I was ten. My ex wife and I made a mistake with our son. We both grew up on farms and working from kids and we thought it was best that we not make our son work as a kid. What a mistake that was.
You aren't alone. I have a few extended family members that are the same way and they are a lot older than 24. :mad:
A few of them have never held a legit job in their lives. They steal and scam people like it's only way to live. A few of them are quite good at it; still a few others have spent time in prison for it because they aren't good at it. But that doesn't change them one bit.
I believe that you are either born with an inner drive or spark which is easily nurtured under the right circumstances or you simply aren't. Unfortunately a lot of people aren't born with that inner drive and they just float along in life no matter what or how they are nurtured or raised. At 24 I'm not sure you can judge someone as not being serious about life or work especially when they are still under mommy and daddies wing. Perhaps a taste of reality will bring him around, it usually does. ac_biggrin
My son is in Australia right now. When he's out of money, he'll come home and live off of me or his mother. I was a dad at his age and paying a mortgage.
I am a lot older than 24 and I am still single. I feel pressure from family to get married right away and have a son.
Traditionally, Asian parents have very specific expectations of their sons.
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It's all about survival. It's a harsh world and I was taught that you better be prepared to scratch and claw for everything and that means, among other things, gainful employment.
I grew up on a farm. I was driving combines when I was ten. My ex wife and I made a mistake with our son. We both grew up on farms and working from kids and we thought it was best that we not make our son work as a kid. What a mistake that was.
You aren't alone. I have a few extended family members that are the same way and they are a lot older than 24. :mad:
A few of them have never held a legit job in their lives. They steal and scam people like it's only way to live. A few of them are quite good at it; still a few others have spent time in prison for it because they aren't good at it. But that doesn't change them one bit.
I believe that you are either born with an inner drive or spark which is easily nurtured under the right circumstances or you simply aren't. Unfortunately a lot of people aren't born with that inner drive and they just float along in life no matter what or how they are nurtured or raised. At 24 I'm not sure you can judge someone as not being serious about life or work especially when they are still under mommy and daddies wing. Perhaps a taste of reality will bring him around, it usually does. ac_biggrin
My son is in Australia right now. When he's out of money, he'll come home and live off of me or his mother. I was a dad at his age and paying a mortgage.
I am a lot older than 24 and I am still single. I feel pressure from family to get married right away and have a son.
Traditionally, Asian parents have very specific expectations of their sons.
And my parents are traditional.
Before I lost both my legs I worked for the money and enjoyment
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I would like to ask, but don't discuss it if you do not want to.
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It's all about survival. It's a harsh world and I was taught that you better be prepared to scratch and claw for everything and that means, among other things, gainful employment.
I grew up on a farm. I was driving combines when I was ten. My ex wife and I made a mistake with our son. We both grew up on farms and working from kids and we thought it was best that we not make our son work as a kid. What a mistake that was.
You aren't alone. I have a few extended family members that are the same way and they are a lot older than 24. :mad:
A few of them have never held a legit job in their lives. They steal and scam people like it's only way to live. A few of them are quite good at it; still a few others have spent time in prison for it because they aren't good at it. But that doesn't change them one bit.
I believe that you are either born with an inner drive or spark which is easily nurtured under the right circumstances or you simply aren't. Unfortunately a lot of people aren't born with that inner drive and they just float along in life no matter what or how they are nurtured or raised. At 24 I'm not sure you can judge someone as not being serious about life or work especially when they are still under mommy and daddies wing. Perhaps a taste of reality will bring him around, it usually does. ac_biggrin
My son is in Australia right now. When he's out of money, he'll come home and live off of me or his mother. I was a dad at his age and paying a mortgage.
I am a lot older than 24 and I am still single. I feel pressure from family to get married right away and have a son.
Traditionally, Asian parents have very specific expectations of their sons.
And my parents are traditional.
That's what I gathered seoulbro.
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Holy shit Keep, what do you mean by lost both your legs? I knew you have stuff going on but I didn't know that.. Or do you mean hyperthetically? Did I spell that right?
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Holy shit Keep, what do you mean by lost both your legs? I knew you have stuff going on but I didn't know that.. Or do you mean hyperthetically? Did I spell that right?
It was close enough GrAnnie, we know what you mean.
A comment I should have kept to myself.
No worries Keep, if ya want just go delete it and my comment and we won't blab about it ya know. But you are among friends here and if you ever want to share anything, you can. Hugs to you acc_hugz
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Yeah, that's how I feel about it too Annie. I sure as hell won't mention it anymore.
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I agree GrAnnie.
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I am working the least days I have ever worked in Canada at peak season this year. I am so glad I got service rig experience. Most of the jobs I am consulting on this year are workovers and abandonments. It's a lower day rate than making hole.
You In Alberta Herman? I have talked to a few old employees I used to work with ( oil field related ) and they are only working 3 or 4 days a week.
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I am at home today Keeper. I have two possibly three workover jobs coming up. They are in the Wabasca are and then home again for a few days unless more work comes up while I am out. I had some work near Meadow Lake Saskatchewan I was hoping for, but it's on hold. Peace country will have some work for me this winter.
You do contract work?
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I am a consultant. Some people call us the engineer, but I am no engineer. I am the company rep on the lease. I can do drilling and completions.
You do know what I mean?
I certainly do, Im used to dealing with you guys. I worked with all the big boys in Fort Mcmoney. I was actually working with Tim Hortons trying to get a mobile trailer on Syncrudes site.
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Fort McMurray is a lot different from a conventional rig though. I have drilled and completed heavy oil wells, but not oilsands.
I like my work, but I'm pretty much on the retirement track now. I think another 7 - 8 years and I'll be done. I'll also be ready to be done.
After that, I'll do bits and pieces of work for fun.
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After that, I'll do bits and pieces of work for fun.
I'm winding it down too reel. I am working a lot less this year not by choice, but I am happy anyway. I feel for the younger ones that are not as established as I am.
Retirement is hard gents.
Just warning you.
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Just warning you.
I will have my farm to look after and that will be enough I hope.
What kind of farm?
Do you have any llamas?
Llamas are evil!
I have a very large diversity of interests, so I've never really been one to find difficulty in keeping myself occupied.
Plus I'll likely be sort of semi-retired rather than retired. Work when I want to rather than as a necessity.
Of course this is all contingent on the next few years going according to plan, which is by no means guaranteed.
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Do you have any llamas?
I have a half quarter section. I have sunflower, canola, honeybees and a few Herefords for beef for ourselves and a few people who pay us to raise it for them. The old lady has laying hens. When I am finally done rigpigging, I want to buy some more land and build my sunflower crop.
I really want to get bees, but don't really know much about the practical aspects. That will be one of my first plans after I finish. Are they hard to take care of? What is the time commitment?
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We only have six hives so far, but it yields over 300 lbs of honey a year. It's seasonal work which is perfect for me as my busy season is winter. Once you get going with your hives it's not much time at all. Once I'm fully retired I'm going to expand five to ten fold. The smell is great too.
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We only have six hives so far, but it yields over 300 lbs of honey a year. It's seasonal work which is perfect for me as my busy season is winter. Once you get going with your hives it's not much time at all. Once I'm fully retired I'm going to expand five to ten fold. The smell is great too.
Nice. 300lbs? That's incredible! I had no idea they produced that much. Do you have to move the hives in winter or can they stay outside? I'm assuming it's colder wherever you are than it is in Vancouver.
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We only have six hives so far, but it yields over 300 lbs of honey a year. It's seasonal work which is perfect for me as my busy season is winter. Once you get going with your hives it's not much time at all. Once I'm fully retired I'm going to expand five to ten fold. The smell is great too.
Nice. 300lbs? That's incredible! I had no idea they produced that much. Do you have to move the hives in winter or can they stay outside? I'm assuming it's colder wherever you are than it is in Vancouver.
Yes, Saskatchewan is slightly cooler than Vancouver. :laugh3: Make sure you got sealed honey around your top frames in late summer early winter and your good to go.
Excellent. Obviously I have a lot of research to do before I actually start anything. You are the first person I've spoken to that actually has bees though. Otherwise I've just read about it.
My eventual goal is to go off-grid and produce about 30% of my own food, with pretty much everything else self-sustaining. The bees would mostly just be for fun, but the rest will pretty much be a full time job in itself.
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My eventual goal is to go off-grid and produce about 30% of my own food, with pretty much everything else self-sustaining. The bees would mostly just be for fun, but the rest will pretty much be a full time job in itself.
I want to get off the grid too and sell any surplus electricity back to the province of Saskatchewan. I'm starting to read about it now. As well as produce 50% of my own food. I have planted Christmas trees the last two seasons too. I share farm machinery with neighboring farmers, but a semi self reliant life is the goal.
We have a lot of common goals. I got to go pick up the old lady now, but you can drop in and share any wisdom you have on self reliant living.
I actually do not work. Sometimes I'm a tad bored.
I'm still learning a lot, but I think the biggest challenge is the energy. My plan is to buy land somewhere and build specifically for this purpose, as most construction is woefully inadequate in a number of respects.
A few thoughts:
Solar hot water using a vaccuum insulated heat exchanger - useful for Saskatchewan winters - This will go a long way towards reducing energy needs. This can be retrofitted into existing construction, though it would be easier in new.
Super insulation and solar design - There are a bunch of houses built like this in Saskatchewan as a proof of concept that require no heating at all. I think they were built in the 80's. They are a bit extreme, but dramatic reductions in heating requirements are achievable with increased insulation and reduced air leakage. A wood stove would be a useful backup with the possibility to double as a cook stove. Doing this effectively is harder to retrofit, but it's a big gain and insulation isn't expensive. Look up Passiv Haus concepts as well. Lots of interesting ideas on insulation and solar heating.
DC grid - if you are going completely off-grid with a battery storage bank, a 12 or 24V DC grid is a better option than 120V AC with an inverter. At least switching as many of your electrical demands as possible over will go a long way towards efficient energy use.
On the food side, I'm a big fan of organic gardening with mulching and composting, no chemical additives. This is partially a health thing, but also, in my opinion, chemical fertilizers or other interventions don't really fit in with an off-grid concept. I'm also guessing a sizeable and well insulated, solar heated greenhouse will be necessary. I've been looking at a few below ground designs with various types of heat sinks to further stabilize temps(insulated concrete slabs, black water barrels, etc.) I'm about to start a course to be a certified master organic gardener.
I've not quite figured out how to deal with the relative lack of sunlight in Vancouver as this is fairly essential for a number of ideas in energy and food growth, but then temperature extremes aren't as bad here either.
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Omg that is amazing. I want one
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On the food side, I'm a big fan of organic gardening with mulching and composting, no chemical additives. This is partially a health thing, but also, in my opinion, chemical fertilizers or other interventions don't really fit in with an off-grid concept. I'm also guessing a sizeable and well insulated, solar heated greenhouse will be necessary. I've been looking at a few below ground designs with various types of heat sinks to further stabilize temps(insulated concrete slabs, black water barrels, etc.) I'm about to start a course to be a certified master organic gardener.
I like gardening and I buy organic elk, chickens, turkeys and wild boar from local farmers. However, I an not going to live a lifestyle for ideological reasons. I'm a city girl and always will be. I prefer the taste of home made and I buy or grow it when possible.
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On the food side, I'm a big fan of organic gardening with mulching and composting, no chemical additives. This is partially a health thing, but also, in my opinion, chemical fertilizers or other interventions don't really fit in with an off-grid concept. I'm also guessing a sizeable and well insulated, solar heated greenhouse will be necessary. I've been looking at a few below ground designs with various types of heat sinks to further stabilize temps(insulated concrete slabs, black water barrels, etc.) I'm about to start a course to be a certified master organic gardener.
I like gardening and I buy organic elk, chickens, turkeys and wild boar from local farmers. However, I an not going to live a lifestyle for ideological reasons. I'm a city girl and always will be. I prefer the taste of home made and I buy or grow it when possible.
Free range is the way to go if you can afford it.