Sunday Smile: 
Prestyn Barnette wasn't interested in asking for toys this year.
What the four-year-old South Carolina boy really wanted was a Christmas miracle.
In a photo that is touching hearts the world over, Prestyn asked the Santa in his local mall at the weekend to pray with him for a sick baby that is fighting for life. 
And the two did just that. 

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				Not at all.
No 4 year old should know about praying. That displays a terrifying form of mind control by his parents.
			
			
			
				The key point obviously is that the kid un- selflessly would forgo things for himself for another person. 
Period.
So often I see fkn self-consumed atheists who can't see past their seething all-consuming hate
From my observation, and as a somewhat neutral, atheism  seems to be the most all consuming arrogant religion there is
well, OK, almost the most
			
			
			
				There have been several of these heart warming Santa stories.  I love hearing of such sweet, selfless children with big hearts.
			
			
			
				selfless  .... that's the only keyword here
			
			
			
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				Merry Christmas dear!
			
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Period.
So often I see fkn self-consumed atheists who can't see past their seething all-consuming hate
From my observation, and as a somewhat neutral, atheism  seems to be the most all consuming arrogant religion there is
well, OK, almost the most
Thank you cc.  :smiley_thumbs_up_yellow_ani:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
No 4 year old should know about praying. That displays a terrifying form of mind control by his parents.
  How so?  What defines mind control?  Ever watch children's "programming"?   I've made the observation that atheist who play this card simply seek to use their own brands of mind control. They want everyone firmly in line with the secular "norm" and anything that steps outside of that is indoctrination. Gotta wonder, which is the actual indoctrination?
			 
			
			
				And Merry Christmas. :D
			
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Prestyn Barnette wasn't interested in asking for toys this year.
What the four-year-old South Carolina boy really wanted was a Christmas miracle.
In a photo that is touching hearts the world over, Prestyn asked the Santa in his local mall at the weekend to pray with him for a sick baby that is fighting for life. 
And the two did just that. 

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They are cc. They are.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Prestyn Barnette wasn't interested in asking for toys this year.
What the four-year-old South Carolina boy really wanted was a Christmas miracle.
In a photo that is touching hearts the world over, Prestyn asked the Santa in his local mall at the weekend to pray with him for a sick baby that is fighting for life. 
And the two did just that. 

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				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Period.
So often I see fkn self-consumed atheists who can't see past their seething all-consuming hate
From my observation, and as a somewhat neutral, atheism  seems to be the most all consuming arrogant religion there is
well, OK, almost the most
No.
The key point is that this incident was captured on camera. See, we get so used to seeing things like this that we forget to question how it came to be photographed. It is manifestly obvious it was staged. 
The next point is that if a four year old asks for a prayer, he or she has been substantially brainwashed by Xtians. 
This is yet another example of America's deft engagement of propaganda. No normal 4 year old I know would ask Santa for a prayer...and if this 4 year old is as devout as he demonstrates, he'd also know Santa does not exist.
Crap like this makes my blood boil, at the manifest and obvious deception intended to highlight a defunct and failed belief system.
			 
			
			
				When you go and see Santa, they have a camera set up where they will take your picture for a fee.  That and people have cell phones with cameras.
Small children do all sorts of wonderfully surprising and sweet things.  Just after finding out I had MS, at an annual Christmas party we go to, my kids asked that I be cured.  It's not a stretch.
			
			
			
				Point taken.
So, how did this image get promulgated on the internet?
			
			
			
				Quote from: "RW"
Small children do all sorts of wonderfully surprising and sweet things.  Just after finding out I had MS, at an annual Christmas party we go to, my kids asked that I be cured.  It's not a stretch.
Kids can surprise us sometimes.
			 
			
			
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So, how did this image get promulgated on the internet?
My guess would be Facebook.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
 Was that a serious question? :oeudC:
			 
			
			
				Well, to be honest, it was aimed at people who are able to think.
Examine the facts; the little fella MAY have acted spontaneously and without coaching...its unlikely, but let's assume that in this modern world a 4 year old child has the capability to form a degree of compassion and humanity for his fellow man. Its further possible that a 4 year old would identify Santa with prayer and giving, without having been coached and cajoled. 
So, this sweet little fella, filled with concern for a baby he's never met (according to reports) goes to the mall to meet Santa and put in his order, but spontaneously drops to his knee (where did he learn that?), and asks the fat dude in red to join him in prayer for a total stranger. The camera operator (given the angle, the camera was not aimed at the common area where the usual kid on a lap image would be shot...look at the background) then takes the image.
I assume the image is then printed out (for the usual fee) and given to the child's carers or parents. Printed, not digitised. I don't think the photographic business hands out the digital version, because then no-one will order reprints.
Then, a carer/parent is motivated to scan the print and put it online? Where did it first appear? In a forum? Was it emailed? Facebook?
Nope. This smells of American hype and manipulation, and I am not buying it for a moment.
			
			
			
				And bingo...
"Prestyn Barnette met Santa at the Dutch Square Mall in Columbia., S.C., a week ago. First, the shy little boy asked for a toy train. Then he asked St. Nick to pray for Baby Knox, a 2-month-old being kept alive on a respirator. Prestyn learned about the infant through his grandmother's Facebook prayer group.
"Santa said we will pray now and he got down and prayed," the grandmother Robin Sharpe told WIS-TV. "There were many bystanders there that day. They just stood some of them, just bowed their head and prayed."
Prestyn's aunt, Rebekah Lauren Sharpe, snapped a shot of the boy praying with Santa and posted it on Facebook. The photo went viral."
The photo was taken by the boy's carer. Then posted on a "prayer group"'s Facebook page.
Staged and manipulated, or spontaneity driven by the power of God?
YOU decide.
But don't be fooled by what you see.
			
			
			
				Someone took a pic of her nephew praying with Santa, posted it on Facebook where people were so touched by it that they circulated it.  It's kind of how social media works Crow.  I find it silly to think it's some plot to manipulate - manipulate people into what?  Believing there are sweet little kids out there that will warm your heart?
They exist.
			
			
			
				I know. I have three. Plus 4.
However, none of them at 4 years old, would have been intellectually, emotionally and humanely capable of carrying out such a sweet gesture UNLESS THEY WERE HEAVILY PROGRAMMED, INDOCTRINATED AND COACHED.
It does NOT reflect a spontaneous and GENUINE outburst of human spirit. It is a pre-programmed, orchestrated and utterly fallacious gesture by a poor little child who has had his innocence and individuality replaced by a perverted and discredited belief system.
Put another way, this poor little boy is being exploited to advance the interests of christianity, and is no less subversive and repugnant than an image of a 10 year old muslim child holding an AK47.
			
			
			
				Oh Good God, you really are an angst riddled old fool.
Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Renee"
Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
If that was a muslim kid of 4, asking his imam for the head of an infidel, how would you feel then?
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
			 
			
			
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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
 :001_rolleyes:
			 
			
			
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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
 :001_rolleyes:
Because he's a horse's ass and he assumes that ALL small childern that have a rudimentary understanding of God and prayer must be under the evil spell of overly zealous Jesus freaks. 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
			 
			
			
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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
 :001_rolleyes:
Because he's a horse's ass and 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
I'm use to this incorrect assumption.
			 
			
			
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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
 :001_rolleyes:
Because he's a horse's ass and 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
I'm use to this incorrect assumption.
Well I'm not. I find it offensive because it makes the assumption that small children are stupid and have no intellectual curiosity and that they content to just play with teddy bears and alphabet blocks.
			 
			
			
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Well I'm not. I find it offensive because it makes the assumption that small children are stupid and have no intellectual curiosity and that they are content to just play with teddy bears and alphabet blocks.
I know that assumption is not true from my own children.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "RW"
They exist.
Sounds like a conspiracy to manipulate them young. :laugh3:
			 
			
			
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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
 :001_rolleyes:
Because he's a horse's ass and 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
I'm use to this incorrect assumption.
Well I'm not. I find it offensive because it makes the assumption that small children are stupid and have no intellectual curiosity and that they content to just play with teddy bears and alphabet blocks.
  Atheists have this delusion that anyone who is religious is brainwashed. They are unable to accept and respect anything outside of the secular world view.  They always go to these borderline insane delusions of Christian militancy when it comes to parents raising kids in Christian homes.  They'd rather our kinder age kids be doing more secular things. Like playing with plastic prostitutes(Bratz dolls), getting programmed by disney, and reading planned parenthood books about masturbation and anal sex (it's perfectly normal). Yanno, heslthy, non brainwashing things.
			 
			
			
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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
 :001_rolleyes:
Because he's a horse's ass and 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
I'm use to this incorrect assumption.
Well I'm not. I find it offensive because it makes the assumption that small children are stupid and have no intellectual curiosity and that they content to just play with teddy bears and alphabet blocks.
  Atheists have this delusion that anyone who is religious is brainwashed. They are unable to accept and respect anything outside of the secular world view.  They always go to these borderline insane delusions of Christian militancy when it comes to parents raising kids in Christian homes.  They'd rather our kinder age kids be doing more secular things. Like playing with plastic prostitutes(Bratz dolls), getting programmed by disney, and reading planned parenthood books about masturbation and anal sex (it's perfectly normal). Yanno, heslthy, non brainwashing things.
Sorry Dove, but I'll go toe to toe with you on the detriment of religion on sexuality, specifically as it pertains to kids any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I think the term brainwashing has harsh negative connotations where "influence" might be a better choice.  Kids are influenced by their parents.  That's a fact.  I just don't see how being thoughtful and caring is a negative thing.  If you (Crow) are going to argue that it's influenced by religion, I'm going to have to say "so what?"
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "cc la femme"
Prestyn Barnette wasn't interested in asking for toys this year.
What the four-year-old South Carolina boy really wanted was a Christmas miracle.
In a photo that is touching hearts the world over, Prestyn asked the Santa in his local mall at the weekend to pray with him for a sick baby that is fighting for life. 
And the two did just that. 

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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
 :001_rolleyes:
Because he's a horse's ass and 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
I'm use to this incorrect assumption.
Well I'm not. I find it offensive because it makes the assumption that small children are stupid and have no intellectual curiosity and that they content to just play with teddy bears and alphabet blocks.
  Atheists have this delusion that anyone who is religious is brainwashed. They are unable to accept and respect anything outside of the secular world view.  They always go to these borderline insane delusions of Christian militancy when it comes to parents raising kids in Christian homes.  They'd rather our kinder age kids be doing more secular things. Like playing with plastic prostitutes(Bratz dolls), getting programmed by disney, and reading planned parenthood books about masturbation and anal sex (it's perfectly normal). Yanno, heslthy, non brainwashing things.
Sorry Dove, but I'll go toe to toe with you on the detriment of religion on sexuality, specifically as it pertains to kids any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
  Based on guilt catholic dogma that isn't biblical and is known for sexual abuse.  God made sex.  I was way more twisted sexually by the world than by religion. There is a balance, and teaching kids to think of sex as bad and dirty is bad just wrong oversexualizing them.  You have orgasm because God made the body to have them. You can't go toe to toe with me from some catholic standpoint.  It's not my position. You can try, of course....but I have the only 2 girls in the school who aren't boycrazy or trying to wear make up. Sex is an act of love that's more than physical, despite the secular view that we should rut like pigs as if it's a handshake and advertise our bodies. 12 year old girls don't need padded bras, or socks that say "flirt", or dolls dressed like they are about to do a stage set at the local strip club.
			 
			
			
				For a grouchy Santa, you sure have a lotta kids, Leopardsocks.
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
However, none of them at 4 years old, would have been intellectually, emotionally and humanely capable of carrying out such a sweet gesture UNLESS THEY WERE HEAVILY PROGRAMMED, INDOCTRINATED AND COACHED.
It does NOT reflect a spontaneous and GENUINE outburst of human spirit. It is a pre-programmed, orchestrated and utterly fallacious gesture by a poor little child who has had his innocence and individuality replaced by a perverted and discredited belief system.
Put another way, this poor little boy is being exploited to advance the interests of christianity, and is no less subversive and repugnant than an image of a 10 year old muslim child holding an AK47.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "J0E"
3 children, 4 grand-children, Joseph.
I doubt they would regard me as grouchy. 
You, on the other hand, may continue to do so.
			 
			
			
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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
 :001_rolleyes:
Because he's a horse's ass and 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
I'm use to this incorrect assumption.
Well I'm not. I find it offensive because it makes the assumption that small children are stupid and have no intellectual curiosity and that they content to just play with teddy bears and alphabet blocks.
  Atheists have this delusion that anyone who is religious is brainwashed. They are unable to accept and respect anything outside of the secular world view.  They always go to these borderline insane delusions of Christian militancy when it comes to parents raising kids in Christian homes.  They'd rather our kinder age kids be doing more secular things. Like playing with plastic prostitutes(Bratz dolls), getting programmed by disney, and reading planned parenthood books about masturbation and anal sex (it's perfectly normal). Yanno, heslthy, non brainwashing things.
Sorry Dove, but I'll go toe to toe with you on the detriment of religion on sexuality, specifically as it pertains to kids any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
  Based on guilt catholic dogma that isn't biblical and is known for sexual abuse.  God made sex.  I was way more twisted sexually by the world than by religion. There is a balance, and teaching kids to think of sex as bad and dirty is bad just wrong oversexualizing them.  You have orgasm because God made the body to have them. You can't go toe to toe with me from some catholic standpoint.  It's not my position. You can try, of course....but I have the only 2 girls in the school who aren't boycrazy or trying to wear make up. Sex is an act of love that's more than physical, despite the secular view that we should rut like pigs as if it's a handshake and advertise our bodies. 12 year old girls don't need padded bras, or socks that say "flirt", or dolls dressed like they are about to do a stage set at the local strip club.
I just don't see anything wrong with books about masturbation or knowing anal sex is okay for consenting adults who take proper pre-cautions or knowing their reproductive options.  I don't give a flying fuck about padded bras, words on socks or dolls that look like strippers.  I care that my kids have an open relationship with me where they can discuss decal issues and they aren't ignorant of their sexual selfs or choices.  
I have also seen many Christian parents pull their kids from sex ed classes.
			 
			
			
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That is EXACTLY what religion is!!
Force feeding lies and fairy tales to the emotionally dysfunctional, including very young children, to get them to believe in a non-existent entity and follow "rules" that this non existent entity has proclaimed.
If that is NOT brainwashing, what is it?
			 
			
			
				Many of those "rules" are legal and social norms.
			
			
			
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I'll bet crow is one of those assholes that tells little kids that there is no such thing as Santa Claus.  :001_rolleyes:
			 
			
			
				I'd take that bet along with your valid point.
			
			
			
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I'll bet crow is one of those assholes that tells little kids that there is no such thing as Santa Claus.  :001_rolleyes:
 :2r4ml1j_th:  Shut up.  Lies!!!
			 
			
			
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Because they are in large part common fucking sense!!!
Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't lie against others. Honour your parents.
But then, many are sheer lunacy; don't use birth control, don't eat meat on Friday, don't masturbate, don't divorce...
			 
			
			
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Because he's a horse's ass and he assumes that ALL small childern that have a rudimentary understanding of God and prayer must be under the evil spell of overly zealous Jesus freaks. 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
This, from the nation that, in keeping with America's belief that only America is right, developed its own cult, called Mormons, and that utterly despicable and vile criminal organisation that is Scientology. 
Don't fucking starting on programming, melontits. On that issue, you are on the same thickness of ice you find on your windscreen in winter.
			 
			
			
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Because they are in large part common fucking sense!!!
Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't lie against others. Honour your parents.
But then, many are sheer lunacy; don't use birth control, don't eat meat on Friday, don't masturbate, don't divorce...
Yeah but we don't follow those ones.
			 
			
			
				You are an idiot. Blame the US for Mormonism and blame the US for the ravings of a drunken failed sci-fi writer.  :001_rolleyes:  :oeudC: 
You make about as much sense as tits on a bull. Take that teenage anti-American angst and shove it up your blowhole. Time to grow up old man, even if it is 70 years too late.
			
			
			
				Mormons were severely persecuted in the beginning.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Renee"
You make about as much sense as tits on a bull. Take that teenage anti-American angst and shove it up your blowhole. Time to grow up old man, even if it is 70 years too late.
Who else is to blame?
In particular, the US government has stood by and allowed, then enabled, the Scientologists to proliferate. It has granted TAX FREE status to a gaggle of lunatics who believe the demented rantings of a scammer and con-artist. It has stood by while it blackmails, harasses and intimidates its victims, and has done nothing to examine how the vast sum of money its peons hand over is spent. And us usual, this detestable and abhorrent mafia spreads all over the globe.
You bet I blame the US...because it gives NO fuck as to the consequences of its idiotic complacency and bizarre attitude to cults, organisations and corporations who behave in such an anti-social and destructive manner.
In fact, it rewards them. Just ask the banks that remained after the GFC of 2007. 
Its your shit. How about you clean it up?
			 
			
			
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Mormons deserved their persecution. They still do.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
This, from the nation that, in keeping with America's belief that only America is right, developed its own cult, called Mormons, and that utterly despicable and vile criminal organisation that is Scientology. 
Don't fucking starting on programming, melontits. On that issue, you are on the same thickness of ice you find on your windscreen in winter.
South Korea had the Unification Church and "Moonies".
			 
			
			
				From what I have experienced, Mormons as people are generally decent.  It's the higher up heirarchy that's cultishly evil.
			
			
			
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We have some majority Mormon towns in SW Alberta. Cardston being the biggest one. The people there are fine and that temple is one cool building.
			 
			
			
				My husband is a recovering Mormon.
			
			
			
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I have no probs with them. Their beliefs are bizarre, but it's really none of my business.
			 
			
			
				Funny that's how much husband felt about it too. Haha
			
			
			
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Friends of ours said the Mormon church is better than ancestry.com.
			 
			
			
				Oh you bet your ass.  They take genealogy very seriously.
			
			
			
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Why is genealogy so important to that religion?
			 
			
			
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You make about as much sense as tits on a bull. Take that teenage anti-American angst and shove it up your blowhole. Time to grow up old man, even if it is 70 years too late.
Who else is to blame?
In particular, the US government has stood by and allowed, then enabled, the Scientologists to proliferate. It has granted TAX FREE status to a gaggle of lunatics who believe the demented rantings of a scammer and con-artist. It has stood by while it blackmails, harasses and intimidates its victims, and has done nothing to examine how the vast sum of money its peons hand over is spent. And us usual, this detestable and abhorrent mafia spreads all over the globe.
You bet I blame the US...because it gives NO fuck as to the consequences of its idiotic complacency and bizarre attitude to cults, organisations and corporations who behave in such an anti-social and destructive manner.
In fact, it rewards them. Just ask the banks that remained after the GFC of 2007. 
Its your shit. How about you clean it up?
"Allowed them to ploriferate"????  Before I even touch upon the criteria for tax exempt status and the US government's 30 plus year old legal battles with Scientology, tell us how the US gov was supposed to use powers it doesnt have to persecute, bar and forbid a belief system because it sounds unorthodox? Do you even realize the slippery slope that is? Do you realize how crazy you sound? You really are out of your Aussie, sheep, fucking tree. 
But being an Aussie I wouldn't expect you to understand concepts like liberty and religious freedom. You live in a secular, socialist, corral full of gap toothed assholes where your gov tells you when to shit, how much and want what color it should be on any given day so you obviously don't get it. Obviously in douche down under land its okay for the government to squash and supress thought or beliefs. What a fucked up place. No wonder every Aussie I have ever met was such a socially stunted, rude, unbearable, annoying twat.
Oh and lets not even touch upon how the Australian high court forced your states to accept Scientology on the basis of collecting payroll taxes. I guess in your fly infested, dog shit, country an organization that the government deems delusional, deceptive and dangerous is allowed to exist and "ploriferate" as long as the gov can squeeze a few nickels and dimes out of it.
Like I said previously, you're an idiot. I'm beginning to think that you are related to Joe.  :laugh3:
			 
			
			
				....Are Dubya, that anal sex of yerz jes' ain't good fer ya.
Take it from Farrah Fawcett. She got it up da butt one too many & now lookit her.
She daid, Are dubya, she daid!
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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
 :001_rolleyes:
Because he's a horse's ass and 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
I'm use to this incorrect assumption.
Well I'm not. I find it offensive because it makes the assumption that small children are stupid and have no intellectual curiosity and that they content to just play with teddy bears and alphabet blocks.
  Atheists have this delusion that anyone who is religious is brainwashed. They are unable to accept and respect anything outside of the secular world view.  They always go to these borderline insane delusions of Christian militancy when it comes to parents raising kids in Christian homes.  They'd rather our kinder age kids be doing more secular things. Like playing with plastic prostitutes(Bratz dolls), getting programmed by disney, and reading planned parenthood books about masturbation and anal sex (it's perfectly normal). Yanno, heslthy, non brainwashing things.
Sorry Dove, but I'll go toe to toe with you on the detriment of religion on sexuality, specifically as it pertains to kids any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
  Based on guilt catholic dogma that isn't biblical and is known for sexual abuse.  God made sex.  I was way more twisted sexually by the world than by religion. There is a balance, and teaching kids to think of sex as bad and dirty is bad just wrong oversexualizing them.  You have orgasm because God made the body to have them. You can't go toe to toe with me from some catholic standpoint.  It's not my position. You can try, of course....but I have the only 2 girls in the school who aren't boycrazy or trying to wear make up. Sex is an act of love that's more than physical, despite the secular view that we should rut like pigs as if it's a handshake and advertise our bodies. 12 year old girls don't need padded bras, or socks that say "flirt", or dolls dressed like they are about to do a stage set at the local strip club.
I just don't see anything wrong with books about masturbation or knowing anal sex is okay for consenting adults who take proper pre-cautions or knowing their reproductive options.  I don't give a flying fuck about padded bras, words on socks or dolls that look like strippers.  I care that my kids have an open relationship with me where they can discuss decal issues and they aren't ignorant of their sexual selfs or choices.  
I have also seen many Christian parents pull their kids from sex ed classes.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "Renee"
You make about as much sense as tits on a bull. Take that teenage anti-American angst and shove it up your blowhole. Time to grow up old man, even if it is 70 years too late.
Who else is to blame?
In particular, the US government has stood by and allowed, then enabled, the Scientologists to proliferate. It has granted TAX FREE status to a gaggle of lunatics who believe the demented rantings of a scammer and con-artist. It has stood by while it blackmails, harasses and intimidates its victims, and has done nothing to examine how the vast sum of money its peons hand over is spent. And us usual, this detestable and abhorrent mafia spreads all over the globe.
You bet I blame the US...because it gives NO fuck as to the consequences of its idiotic complacency and bizarre attitude to cults, organisations and corporations who behave in such an anti-social and destructive manner.
In fact, it rewards them. Just ask the banks that remained after the GFC of 2007. 
Its your shit. How about you clean it up?
"Allowed them to ploriferate"????  Before I even touch upon the criteria for tax exempt status and the US government's 30 plus year old legal battles with Scientology, tell us how the US gov was supposed to use powers it doesnt have to persecute, bar and forbid a belief system because it sounds unorthodox? Do you even realize the slippery slope that is? Do you realize how crazy you sound? You really are out of your Aussie, sheep, fucking tree. 
But being an Aussie I wouldn't expect you to understand concepts like liberty and religious freedom. You live in a secular, socialist, corral full of gap toothed assholes where your gov tells you when to shit, how much and want what color it should be on any given day so you obviously don't get it. Obviously in douche down under land its okay for the government to squash and supress thought or beliefs. What a fucked up place. No wonder every Aussie I have ever met was such a socially stunted, rude, unbearable, annoying twat.
Oh and lets not even touch upon how the Australian high court forced your states to accept Scientology on the basis of collecting payroll taxes. I guess in your fly infested, dog shit, country an organization that the government deems delusional, deceptive and dangerous is allowed to exist and "ploriferate" as long as the gov can squeeze a few nickels and dimes out of it.
Like I said previously, you're an idiot. I'm beginning to think that you are related to Joe.  :laugh3:
Your only hope is that by some miracle of modern chemistry and bio-technology, some research centre somewhere will develop a drug that converts fat to brains.
In your case, you'd need a LOT of fat.
Whether or not Scientology is a religion, there is ample evidence that it harasses, persecutes and terrorises its former accolytes. There is ample evidence that it is fraudulent. There is ample evidence that it is merely a tax evasion system. There is ample evidence that it deceives, distorts and perverts the notion of religion in order to repress dissent and resist scrutiny. 
But nooooo....your vapid and sackless government just lets them roll along, milking the emotionally dysfunctional with electronic devices that a nothing more than snake oil.
Call it what you want, its a fucking abherration.
What OT level are you?
Oh and I love the way you berate MY country, when its yours that is the festering sore on human civilisation, leeching its supperation in every direction. What you call "liberty" we call banks defrauding the community, psychos having access to guns, cops killing unarmed civilians, war crimes and abject fucking stupidity.
Your "liberty" is a fucked up concept designed to keep the stooges in their place while the corporations and government fuck you over like a cheap Saturday night street whore. 
Everything that harms humanity has its base in the US. Junk food. Big tobacco. Arms manufacture and distribution. Sex and violence in mass media. Hypocrisy in foreign affairs. Greed over social justice and equity. War. 
How any of you minions can claim any pride in the most fucked up tribe of misfits the world has known escapes me. You're a nation of ignorant fools that has NO clue what your government gets up to at home and abroad. It even spies on its own people!!!
Wave your flag, you retarded walrus. You'll look as foolish as every other American "patriot".
			 
			
			
				All this from a little boy who prayed with Santa for a baby to get better.
Hrm...
			
			
			
				Quote from: "RW"
Hrm...
No, its from the ridiculously shrill and hysterical 
Let's call a spade a spade, shall we? This was just another excuse for him to do his tired and trite anti-US Vaudeville Act.
Remember....it makes his "blood boil".  :laugh3:
			 
			
			
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Hrm...
That's what I was thinking too RW.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "Renee"
You make about as much sense as tits on a bull. Take that teenage anti-American angst and shove it up your blowhole. Time to grow up old man, even if it is 70 years too late.
Who else is to blame?
In particular, the US government has stood by and allowed, then enabled, the Scientologists to proliferate. It has granted TAX FREE status to a gaggle of lunatics who believe the demented rantings of a scammer and con-artist. It has stood by while it blackmails, harasses and intimidates its victims, and has done nothing to examine how the vast sum of money its peons hand over is spent. And us usual, this detestable and abhorrent mafia spreads all over the globe.
You bet I blame the US...because it gives NO fuck as to the consequences of its idiotic complacency and bizarre attitude to cults, organisations and corporations who behave in such an anti-social and destructive manner.
In fact, it rewards them. Just ask the banks that remained after the GFC of 2007. 
Its your shit. How about you clean it up?
"Allowed them to ploriferate"????  Before I even touch upon the criteria for tax exempt status and the US government's 30 plus year old legal battles with Scientology, tell us how the US gov was supposed to use powers it doesnt have to persecute, bar and forbid a belief system because it sounds unorthodox? Do you even realize the slippery slope that is? Do you realize how crazy you sound? You really are out of your Aussie, sheep, fucking tree. 
But being an Aussie I wouldn't expect you to understand concepts like liberty and religious freedom. You live in a secular, socialist, corral full of gap toothed assholes where your gov tells you when to shit, how much and want what color it should be on any given day so you obviously don't get it. Obviously in douche down under land its okay for the government to squash and supress thought or beliefs. What a fucked up place. No wonder every Aussie I have ever met was such a socially stunted, rude, unbearable, annoying twat.
Oh and lets not even touch upon how the Australian high court forced your states to accept Scientology on the basis of collecting payroll taxes. I guess in your fly infested, dog shit, country an organization that the government deems delusional, deceptive and dangerous is allowed to exist and "ploriferate" as long as the gov can squeeze a few nickels and dimes out of it.
Like I said previously, you're an idiot. I'm beginning to think that you are related to Joe.  :laugh3:
Your only hope is that by some miracle of modern chemistry and bio-technology, some research centre somewhere will develop a drug that converts fat to brains.
In your case, you'd need a LOT of fat.
Whether or not Scientology is a religion, there is ample evidence that it harasses, persecutes and terrorises its former accolytes. There is ample evidence that it is fraudulent. There is ample evidence that it is merely a tax evasion system. There is ample evidence that it deceives, distorts and perverts the notion of religion in order to repress dissent and resist scrutiny. 
But nooooo....your vapid and sackless government just lets them roll along, milking the emotionally dysfunctional with electronic devices that a nothing more than snake oil.
Call it what you want, its a fucking abherration.
What OT level are you?
Oh and I love the way you berate MY country, when its yours that is the festering sore on human civilisation, leeching its supperation in every direction. What you call "liberty" we call banks defrauding the community, psychos having access to guns, cops killing unarmed civilians, war crimes and abject fucking stupidity.
Your "liberty" is a fucked up concept designed to keep the stooges in their place while the corporations and government fuck you over like a cheap Saturday night street whore. 
Everything that harms humanity has its base in the US. Junk food. Big tobacco. Arms manufacture and distribution. Sex and violence in mass media. Hypocrisy in foreign affairs. Greed over social justice and equity. War. 
How any of you minions can claim any pride in the most fucked up tribe of misfits the world has known escapes me. You're a nation of ignorant fools that has NO clue what your government gets up to at home and abroad. It even spies on its own people!!!
Wave your flag, you retarded walrus. You'll look as foolish as every other American "patriot".
You know, I don't even read these ridiculous diatribes that you produce like so much verbal garbage.
Want to know why.....because they are all the SAME and it's been going on without so much as an once of new material for years now! 
Whatever the subject matter you just automatically think it's an invitation to perform your "I hate the US" act in practiced  trained monkey fashion. It's like a bell goes off that only you can hear and you jump right into your tired, little, anti-US, dance like a good little nanny-state, Pavlovian, idiot. I think you need to talk to your handlers about learning some new steps.  
Hey, here's an idea; if you are  
			
			
				Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
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You make about as much sense as tits on a bull. Take that teenage anti-American angst and shove it up your blowhole. Time to grow up old man, even if it is 70 years too late.
Who else is to blame?
In particular, the US government has stood by and allowed, then enabled, the Scientologists to proliferate. It has granted TAX FREE status to a gaggle of lunatics who believe the demented rantings of a scammer and con-artist. It has stood by while it blackmails, harasses and intimidates its victims, and has done nothing to examine how the vast sum of money its peons hand over is spent. And us usual, this detestable and abhorrent mafia spreads all over the globe.
You bet I blame the US...because it gives NO fuck as to the consequences of its idiotic complacency and bizarre attitude to cults, organisations and corporations who behave in such an anti-social and destructive manner.
In fact, it rewards them. Just ask the banks that remained after the GFC of 2007. 
Its your shit. How about you clean it up?
"Allowed them to ploriferate"????  Before I even touch upon the criteria for tax exempt status and the US government's 30 plus year old legal battles with Scientology, tell us how the US gov was supposed to use powers it doesnt have to persecute, bar and forbid a belief system because it sounds unorthodox? Do you even realize the slippery slope that is? Do you realize how crazy you sound? You really are out of your Aussie, sheep, fucking tree. 
But being an Aussie I wouldn't expect you to understand concepts like liberty and religious freedom. You live in a secular, socialist, corral full of gap toothed assholes where your gov tells you when to shit, how much and want what color it should be on any given day so you obviously don't get it. Obviously in douche down under land its okay for the government to squash and supress thought or beliefs. What a fucked up place. No wonder every Aussie I have ever met was such a socially stunted, rude, unbearable, annoying twat.
Oh and lets not even touch upon how the Australian high court forced your states to accept Scientology on the basis of collecting payroll taxes. I guess in your fly infested, dog shit, country an organization that the government deems delusional, deceptive and dangerous is allowed to exist and "ploriferate" as long as the gov can squeeze a few nickels and dimes out of it.
Like I said previously, you're an idiot. I'm beginning to think that you are related to Joe.  :laugh3:
Your only hope is that by some miracle of modern chemistry and bio-technology, some research centre somewhere will develop a drug that converts fat to brains.
In your case, you'd need a LOT of fat.
Whether or not Scientology is a religion, there is ample evidence that it harasses, persecutes and terrorises its former accolytes. There is ample evidence that it is fraudulent. There is ample evidence that it is merely a tax evasion system. There is ample evidence that it deceives, distorts and perverts the notion of religion in order to repress dissent and resist scrutiny. 
But nooooo....your vapid and sackless government just lets them roll along, milking the emotionally dysfunctional with electronic devices that a nothing more than snake oil.
Call it what you want, its a fucking abherration.
What OT level are you?
Oh and I love the way you berate MY country, when its yours that is the festering sore on human civilisation, leeching its supperation in every direction. What you call "liberty" we call banks defrauding the community, psychos having access to guns, cops killing unarmed civilians, war crimes and abject fucking stupidity.
Your "liberty" is a fucked up concept designed to keep the stooges in their place while the corporations and government fuck you over like a cheap Saturday night street whore. 
Everything that harms humanity has its base in the US. Junk food. Big tobacco. Arms manufacture and distribution. Sex and violence in mass media. Hypocrisy in foreign affairs. Greed over social justice and equity. War. 
How any of you minions can claim any pride in the most fucked up tribe of misfits the world has known escapes me. You're a nation of ignorant fools that has NO clue what your government gets up to at home and abroad. It even spies on its own people!!!
Wave your flag, you retarded walrus. You'll look as foolish as every other American "patriot".
You know, I don't even read these ridiculous diatribes that you produce like so much verbal garbage.
Want to know why.....because they are all the SAME and it's been going on without so much as an once of new material for years now! Whatever the subject matter you just automatically think it's an invitation to perform your "I hate the US" act like a trained monkey. It's like a bell goes off that only you can hear and you jump right into your tired, little, anti-US, dance like a good little nanny-state, Pavlovian, idiot.   
Hey, here's an idea; 
That's what Green_Hornet does.
			 
			
			
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You make about as much sense as tits on a bull. Take that teenage anti-American angst and shove it up your blowhole. Time to grow up old man, even if it is 70 years too late.
Who else is to blame?
In particular, the US government has stood by and allowed, then enabled, the Scientologists to proliferate. It has granted TAX FREE status to a gaggle of lunatics who believe the demented rantings of a scammer and con-artist. It has stood by while it blackmails, harasses and intimidates its victims, and has done nothing to examine how the vast sum of money its peons hand over is spent. And us usual, this detestable and abhorrent mafia spreads all over the globe.
You bet I blame the US...because it gives NO fuck as to the consequences of its idiotic complacency and bizarre attitude to cults, organisations and corporations who behave in such an anti-social and destructive manner.
In fact, it rewards them. Just ask the banks that remained after the GFC of 2007. 
Its your shit. How about you clean it up?
"Allowed them to ploriferate"????  Before I even touch upon the criteria for tax exempt status and the US government's 30 plus year old legal battles with Scientology, tell us how the US gov was supposed to use powers it doesnt have to persecute, bar and forbid a belief system because it sounds unorthodox? Do you even realize the slippery slope that is? Do you realize how crazy you sound? You really are out of your Aussie, sheep, fucking tree. 
But being an Aussie I wouldn't expect you to understand concepts like liberty and religious freedom. You live in a secular, socialist, corral full of gap toothed assholes where your gov tells you when to shit, how much and want what color it should be on any given day so you obviously don't get it. Obviously in douche down under land its okay for the government to squash and supress thought or beliefs. What a fucked up place. No wonder every Aussie I have ever met was such a socially stunted, rude, unbearable, annoying twat.
Oh and lets not even touch upon how the Australian high court forced your states to accept Scientology on the basis of collecting payroll taxes. I guess in your fly infested, dog shit, country an organization that the government deems delusional, deceptive and dangerous is allowed to exist and "ploriferate" as long as the gov can squeeze a few nickels and dimes out of it.
Like I said previously, you're an idiot. I'm beginning to think that you are related to Joe.  :laugh3:
Your only hope is that by some miracle of modern chemistry and bio-technology, some research centre somewhere will develop a drug that converts fat to brains.
In your case, you'd need a LOT of fat.
Whether or not Scientology is a religion, there is ample evidence that it harasses, persecutes and terrorises its former accolytes. There is ample evidence that it is fraudulent. There is ample evidence that it is merely a tax evasion system. There is ample evidence that it deceives, distorts and perverts the notion of religion in order to repress dissent and resist scrutiny. 
But nooooo....your vapid and sackless government just lets them roll along, milking the emotionally dysfunctional with electronic devices that a nothing more than snake oil.
Call it what you want, its a fucking abherration.
What OT level are you?
Oh and I love the way you berate MY country, when its yours that is the festering sore on human civilisation, leeching its supperation in every direction. What you call "liberty" we call banks defrauding the community, psychos having access to guns, cops killing unarmed civilians, war crimes and abject fucking stupidity.
Your "liberty" is a fucked up concept designed to keep the stooges in their place while the corporations and government fuck you over like a cheap Saturday night street whore. 
Everything that harms humanity has its base in the US. Junk food. Big tobacco. Arms manufacture and distribution. Sex and violence in mass media. Hypocrisy in foreign affairs. Greed over social justice and equity. War. 
How any of you minions can claim any pride in the most fucked up tribe of misfits the world has known escapes me. You're a nation of ignorant fools that has NO clue what your government gets up to at home and abroad. It even spies on its own people!!!
Wave your flag, you retarded walrus. You'll look as foolish as every other American "patriot".
You know, I don't even read these ridiculous diatribes that you produce like so much verbal garbage.
Want to know why.....because they are all the SAME and it's been going on without so much as an once of new material for years now! Whatever the subject matter you just automatically think it's an invitation to perform your "I hate the US" act like a trained monkey. It's like a bell goes off that only you can hear and you jump right into your tired, little, anti-US, dance like a good little nanny-state, Pavlovian, idiot.   
Hey, here's an idea; 
That's what Green_Hornet does.
Well if nothing else, GH is obviously more efficient with his time than the old crow.  :laugh:
			 
			
			
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That is EXACTLY what religion is!!
Force feeding lies and fairy tales to the emotionally dysfunctional, including very young children, to get them to believe in a non-existent entity and follow "rules" that this non existent entity has proclaimed.
If that is NOT brainwashing, what is it?
  Religion and fairytales actually are not the same, and it's highly intellectually dishonest to claim so. In fact, it's a typical and scripted favorite fallicy of anti theists.  You actually can't claim there is no God and be considered rational on a scientific or logical level.  Your false views of God are nit shared by those who believe in God.  Brainwashing is forcing your views onto another person until they adopt them.  Kinda how we have the political right/left and propaganda.  You aren't properly presenting the theological position....so....if you were pounding this sentiment into a child, congrazt....you are indoctrinating.
			 
			
			
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Because they are in large part common fucking sense!!!
Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't lie against others. Honour your parents.
But then, many are sheer lunacy; don't use birth control, don't eat meat on Friday, don't masturbate, don't divorce...
  Again, catholics. Smh.  No where in the bible are Christians told these things.
			 
			
			
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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
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Because he's a horse's ass and 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
I'm use to this incorrect assumption.
Well I'm not. I find it offensive because it makes the assumption that small children are stupid and have no intellectual curiosity and that they content to just play with teddy bears and alphabet blocks.
  Atheists have this delusion that anyone who is religious is brainwashed. They are unable to accept and respect anything outside of the secular world view.  They always go to these borderline insane delusions of Christian militancy when it comes to parents raising kids in Christian homes.  They'd rather our kinder age kids be doing more secular things. Like playing with plastic prostitutes(Bratz dolls), getting programmed by disney, and reading planned parenthood books about masturbation and anal sex (it's perfectly normal). Yanno, heslthy, non brainwashing things.
Sorry Dove, but I'll go toe to toe with you on the detriment of religion on sexuality, specifically as it pertains to kids any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
  Based on guilt catholic dogma that isn't biblical and is known for sexual abuse.  God made sex.  I was way more twisted sexually by the world than by religion. There is a balance, and teaching kids to think of sex as bad and dirty is bad just wrong oversexualizing them.  You have orgasm because God made the body to have them. You can't go toe to toe with me from some catholic standpoint.  It's not my position. You can try, of course....but I have the only 2 girls in the school who aren't boycrazy or trying to wear make up. Sex is an act of love that's more than physical, despite the secular view that we should rut like pigs as if it's a handshake and advertise our bodies. 12 year old girls don't need padded bras, or socks that say "flirt", or dolls dressed like they are about to do a stage set at the local strip club.
I just don't see anything wrong with books about masturbation or knowing anal sex is okay for consenting adults who take proper pre-cautions or knowing their reproductive options.  I don't give a flying fuck about padded bras, words on socks or dolls that look like strippers.  I care that my kids have an open relationship with me where they can discuss decal issues and they aren't ignorant of their sexual selfs or choices.  
I have also seen many Christian parents pull their kids from sex ed classes.
  I don't either. Until you pass out material about it to 5th graders in school, thusly overstepping your  boundaries in a public classroom with other people's kids. I do have my children's trust and we talk about these things. That doesn't make it okay for the school to come in and get graphic.   Why does a child need a padded bra?  They dont. It's totally innapropriate and over sexualizing kids.  Alot of people feel that way.
			 
			
			
				My child has a padded bra because I didn't feel comfortable with her developing breasts and nipples showing through her shirt.  I felt it drew too much attention to her chest.  Did I sexualize my child?  No, I didn't.  And I'm not talking about some push bra or other such bullshit if you idiots are going to try pulling that stupid shit.
Educating isn't sexualizing.  A lot of parents don't even know what to teach their kids because they were never taught either.
Sexual education is part of our elementary school curriculum here.  It is required to be taught and I thank God for that because there are far too many stupid ass parents who think things like padded bras are hyper-sexual.
Fuuuuccccckkkkkk.
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				My kids don't wear padded bras, their nipples don't show. I never wore a padded bra, and....my nipples didn't show. And the padded bras I'm talking about add a cup size.  You don't need to learn how to rub one out, rw.  You also don't need to start teaching about anal sex in the 5th grade. People have been getting it up the ass just fine for years without needed illustrated 5th grade books telling them about it. And about that....they can't be taught about world religions, but buttsex is okay?  I don't give a flying fuck about other parents.  My priority is my own children and I'm not cool with a strange teacher teaching MY kids about graphic topics. That's MY job.
			
			
			
				Graphic topics haha. Flipping out about padded bras.  Haha. You don't even know that there are lightly padded bras out there to not be all indignant about.  IGNORANT.
There's a lot of things around masturbation that kids don't know happens to their bodies that they can get freaked out about.  But don't tell them because that's sexualizing them.  IGNORANT
Don't tell kids that the consenting age for anal sex is higher or that it's a risky sexual act because it's too graphic.  IGNORANT
The problem with parents teaching their kids is that they don't even really know what they should be telling them.  I prefer people knowledgable on sexual health to be talking to my kids about sexual health.  I also talk to my kids about sexual health but I have educated myself by taking a course on what to cover with my kids.  I'm not ignorant on the issue and neither are they. SMART
			
			
			
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Because they are in large part common fucking sense!!!
Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't lie against others. Honour your parents.
But then, many are sheer lunacy; don't use birth control, don't eat meat on Friday, don't masturbate, don't divorce...
  Again, catholics. Smh.  No where in the bible are Christians told these things.
It's better to masturbate than commit fornication because at best it corrupts only one person..
Masturbation usually involves fantasy, visualization, and often pornography..
The teaches that we must not look lustfully at each other.  
			
			
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Because they are in large part common fucking sense!!!
Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't lie against others. Honour your parents.
But then, many are sheer lunacy; don't use birth control, don't eat meat on Friday, don't masturbate, don't divorce...
  Again, catholics. Smh.  No where in the bible are Christians told these things.
Masturbation usually involves fantasy, visualization, and often pornography..
The teaches that we must not look lustfully at each other. 
Story of my life  :oeudC:
			 
			
			
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Because they are in large part common fucking sense!!!
Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't lie against others. Honour your parents.
But then, many are sheer lunacy; don't use birth control, don't eat meat on Friday, don't masturbate, don't divorce...
  Again, catholics. Smh.  No where in the bible are Christians told these things.
Masturbation usually involves fantasy, visualization, and often pornography..
The teaches that we must not look lustfully at each other. 
Story of my life  :oeudC:
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				Let your kids learn about sex in the street, like I did.
Just kidding. :laugh3: 
Sex Ed in schools is vitial in today's day and has been since before I went to school. I see nothing wrong with it provided it is taught in a age appropriate way under a controlled environment.
			
			
			
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Just kidding. :laugh3: 
Sex Ed in schools is vitial in today's day and has been since before I went to school. I see nothing wrong with it provided it is taught in a age appropriate way under a controlled environment.
I wish we had sex ed when I was in school maybe I wouldn't have 6 kids  :oeudC:
			 
			
			
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Just kidding. :laugh3: 
Sex Ed in schools is vitial in today's day and has been since before I went to school. I see nothing wrong with it provided it is taught in a age appropriate way under a controlled environment.
I don't trust the government in my province and I would never give them permission to indoctrinate my children about something so precious as that.
			 
			
			
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Just kidding. :laugh3: 
Sex Ed in schools is vitial in today's day and has been since before I went to school. I see nothing wrong with it provided it is taught in a age appropriate way under a controlled environment.
I wish we had sex ed when I was in school maybe I wouldn't have 6 kids  :oeudC:
So like after the first 2 you didn't figure out how it worked? :laugh3: 
Well look at me, I have 4 and I had Sex Ed. ac_biggrin
			 
			
			
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Just kidding. :laugh3: 
Sex Ed in schools is vitial in today's day and has been since before I went to school. I see nothing wrong with it provided it is taught in a age appropriate way under a controlled environment.
I wish we had sex ed when I was in school maybe I wouldn't have 6 kids  :oeudC:
So like after the first 2 you didn't figure out how it worked? :laugh3: 
Well look at me, I have 4 and I had Sex Ed. ac_biggrin
6 different mother's  :oeudC:
			 
			
			
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Just kidding. :laugh3: 
Sex Ed in schools is vitial in today's day and has been since before I went to school. I see nothing wrong with it provided it is taught in a age appropriate way under a controlled environment.
My kids were 5 and I taught them after a class taught by a doctor of sexual health.
			 
			
			
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Just kidding. :laugh3: 
Sex Ed in schools is vitial in today's day and has been since before I went to school. I see nothing wrong with it provided it is taught in a age appropriate way under a controlled environment.
I don't trust the government in my province and I would never give them permission to indoctrinate my children about something so precious as that.
Yeah and your kids are the kids that get the 10 year old version of sexual education on the playground.  I don't trust my kids' sexual health to other kids.
			 
			
			
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Just kidding. :laugh3: 
Sex Ed in schools is vitial in today's day and has been since before I went to school. I see nothing wrong with it provided it is taught in a age appropriate way under a controlled environment.
I don't trust the government in my province and I would never give them permission to indoctrinate my children about something so precious as that.
Yeah and your kids are the kids that get the 10 year old version of sexual education on the playground.  I don't trust my kids' sexual health to other kids.
That's not how my brother and I learned of human relations and sexuality RW.
			 
			
			
				How did you learn it Fash?
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Just kidding. :laugh3: 
Sex Ed in schools is vitial in today's day and has been since before I went to school. I see nothing wrong with it provided it is taught in a age appropriate way under a controlled environment.
My kids were 5 and I taught them after a class taught by a doctor of sexual health.
Mine were taught early as well. It is especially important for girls to know what's what as early as possible because any sexual mishap leaves them holding the bag.
I also believe that a one size fits all approach is wrong for Sex Ed. It works much better when the emotional an mental maturity of the child is taken into account. My oldest was taught very early I think around age 6 bit then again she was old for her age. Her younger sisters were taught early as well. But how much of it sunk in the first time around for ditz 1 and ditz 2, as I like to call them, I don't know. Thankfully they get it now.
As for the youngest, she's only 3 but she's a lot like me; she will sit and listen intently to anything if there is a promise of a cookie attached to it.  :laugh3:
			 
			
			
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And you know sex Ed isn't just about sex right?
Like most Taiwanese parents my parents did not discuss sexual relations, but I do with my children..
It was an ongoing process with a solid foundation starting with the Garden of Eden and how God created both male and female and told them to reproduce themselves..
He created a man and woman who could make babies by loving each other in a special way..
God also knew that a man and a woman would grow to desire a special companionship that includes enjoying the differences in each other's bodies.. 
And, although this final point may need to wait until children are able to grasp it, we can teach that God gave the marital relationship as a sign and symbol of the internal love of the Trinity and His love for us..
So, sexuality provides at least three basic lessons that our children can understand. Sexual union exists: (1) to make babies, (2) to nurture a mommy and daddy's love, and (3) to point us back to the love of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
			 
			
			
				Okay and how about menstruation, masturbation, safe sexual options, peer pressure, wet dreams, STDs, safe sex, how to deal with inappropriate touching, sexuality and attraction, puberty and body changes, etc.  Who covers that?
			
			
			
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Like most Taiwanese parents my parents did not discuss sexual relations
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You can find all that info on the walls of truckstop bathrooms. ac_biggrin
			 
			
			
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You can find all that info on the walls of truckstop bathrooms. ac_biggrin
Scrawled above the glory hole?
			 
			
			
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You can find all that info on the walls of truckstop bathrooms. ac_biggrin
Scrawled above the glory hole?
Only in the more classy "cottages" and "tea rooms". :yuk:  :laugh3:
			 
			
			
				You people are sick. This is a thread about a little boy praying, ffs...
			
			
			
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There's a lot of things around masturbation that kids don't know happens to their bodies that they can get freaked out about.  But don't tell them because that's sexualizing them.  IGNORANT
Don't tell kids that the consenting age for anal sex is higher or that it's a risky sexual act because it's too graphic.  IGNORANT
The problem with parents teaching their kids is that they don't even really know what they should be telling them.  I prefer people knowledgable on sexual health to be talking to my kids about sexual health.  I also talk to my kids about sexual health but I have educated myself by taking a course on what to cover with my kids.  I'm not ignorant on the issue and neither are they. SMART
  Lust, is a sin, and good luck madturbating without committing it, I agree. But scripture doesn't tell us not to masturbate...it tells us not to lust.  Take it how you will....lol. I do know if you go telling people not to touch themselves, they are going to do it more than they would if you didnt.
			 
			
			
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  Parents. These classes should be elective. Not required.  I'm not against sex ed, I'm against teachers teaching sex positions, masturbation, anal sex, et. This is not age appropriate for elementary school.
			 
			
			
				Good luck fucking without lust too.
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  Parents. These classes should be elective. Not required.  I'm not against sex ed, I'm against teachers teaching sex positions, masturbation, anal sex, et. This is not age appropriate for elementary school.
That's not what they teach in sex ed.
Holy fuck are you ever clueless.
			 
			
			
				Our kids learned sex ed in middle school. The teacher showed them their birth video, talked about birth control and made them practice putting a condom on a banana lol
			
			
			
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  Parents. These classes should be elective. Not required.  I'm not against sex ed, I'm against teachers teaching sex positions, masturbation, anal sex, et. This is not age appropriate for elementary school.
That's not what they teach in sex ed.
Holy fuck are you ever clueless.
  They are pushing for it here, and that is what I'm referencing.  I was directly referring to the pp book "it's perfectly normal".  I said that, several times while you went on about basic sex ed. Smh.  Shall we revisit my first post and go over the definition of "fucking clueless"? I said I'm NOT against sex ed. Several times. I said what I had a problem with. Several times.
			 
			
			
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 It's not lust if you are married.  However, if you are "fucking" and mentally with other people, it's adultry. In all fairness, I get the impression that sometimes you dive into arguments before ascertaining what the other person is saying. I'm not up for aggressive argument based on your perception of what I'm saying.  If you agree, cool. If you dont, cool. If you want more insight to my point, cool. But I'm not interested in put downs and aggressive arguments.
			 
			
			
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  Parents. These classes should be elective. Not required.  I'm not against sex ed, I'm against teachers teaching sex positions, masturbation, anal sex, et. This is not age appropriate for elementary school.
That's not what they teach in sex ed.
Holy fuck are you ever clueless.
  They are pushing for it here, and that is what I'm referencing.  I was directly referring to the pp book "it's perfectly normal".  I said that, several times while you went on about basic sex ed. Smh.  Shall we revisit my first post and go over the definition of "fucking clueless"? I said I'm NOT against sex ed. Several times. I said what I had a problem with. Several times.
And I countered what your problem was several times.
They don't teach what you're claiming.  They don't teach elementary school kids sex positions and how to do them or ways to touch themselves.  It's mostly related to anatomy, physiology and safety.  
I don't appreciate your ridiculous exaggerations and yes, cluelessness.  If you want to discuss issues, drop the bullshit.
			 
			
			
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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
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Because he's a horse's ass and 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
I'm use to this incorrect assumption.
Well I'm not. I find it offensive because it makes the assumption that small children are stupid and have no intellectual curiosity and that they content to just play with teddy bears and alphabet blocks.
and reading planned parenthood books about masturbation and anal sex (it's perfectly normal). Yanno, heslthy, non brainwashing things.
 Okay asshole, where did I bring up sex ed?  I won't hold my breath. If you want to have some venomous tantrum over being religiously sexually oppressed go take it up with the people responsible because I'm  over trying to reason with you.  YOU have no clue.  Maybe look up what it is I'm talking about before turning into such an insufferable insulting blow hard. Communication might be easier that way. Smh.  And btw, who masturbates and freaks out?  No one. You didnt, I didnt. No one did. People have been successfully getting themselves off for thousands of years without their elementary school teacher humiliating everyone with a class on it. No ten year old kid is going to be comfortable having thier teacher describe masturbation to them right there in front of thier peers. Its embarrasing and awkward at that age. In fact, if you see a need for a class on how to fuck yourself....YOU should be the first in line. Learn how to fuck yourself hard enough and often enough where you can handle the fact that not everyone agrees with you. You did NOT counter my point. You compleyely ignored my point and created a debate in your head that im not even talking about.   This is the last post to you on this I'm posting until you take the time to actually fucking listen to what I'm saying.  Done.
			 
			
			
				http://www.npr.org/2014/09/21/350366435/it-may-be-perfectly-normal-but-its-also-frequently-banned  This is the book that was recently being pushed, again, in public schools in the us, for those who don't know. This book is actually banned in prisons because the sexually explicite illustrations and descriptions of different sex acts is "too pornographic" for inmates.  But it's part of a common core curriculum being pushed in schools for kids ten years old and up.
			
			
			
				That article doesn't say it's common core for sex ed.  It doesn't say it's banned in prisons.  In fact, it says that books get banned for ridiculous reasons in the US.  Given that it is one of the most banned books in America and they don't even allow Captain Undrpants in schools, I'm going to say this book is NOT a part of the sexual health curriculum.  It is in some school LIBRARIES though.
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Comparing a little boy praying with Santa to a brainwash child soldier is about the dumbest thing you have ever said and that's saying something. 
I swear there are times when you absolutely nauseate me.
An early Xmas gift to me, then.
Rather than attack the player, why not prove me wrong? 
The American child is asking for salvation for a baby he ahsn't met, clearly and manifestly "programmed" by his handlers to do so. To American values, this is a charming and heartwarming gesture, despite its obvious exploitation.
To a muslim, killing infidels is a part of the survival and protection of their land and way of life. A child praying for the protection of his home by seeking the killing of one that threatens it would be seen as charming and heartwarming.
We are, of course, reviled at that concept, yet it is all a matter of perpsective.
The principle of forcing belief systems on young children to perpetuate lies, myths and deceit is abhorrent.
In any culture.
Puke your heart out.
How can you make a comparison like that?
 :001_rolleyes:
Because he's a horse's ass and 
That's secular socialist programming in action. A significant number of atheists in this world behave like a militant cult. They see religion as evil and exposing children to any form of it, no matter how limited, as a form of abuse. Remember how loony evs comment about abuse and sending your children to religious private school was?  Well Crowley's assumptions in this case are about just as nutty.
This also play's right in with his teenage angst regarding the US. To a furious anti-American idiot like him, a child praying is symptomatic of the social decay in America and as you know our arrogant foaming at the mouth Aussie will never pass up an opportunity to bash the US.
I'm use to this incorrect assumption.
Well I'm not. I find it offensive because it makes the assumption that small children are stupid and have no intellectual curiosity and that they content to just play with teddy bears and alphabet blocks.
  Atheists have this delusion that anyone who is religious is brainwashed. They are unable to accept and respect anything outside of the secular world view.  They always go to these borderline insane delusions of Christian militancy when it comes to parents raising kids in Christian homes.  They'd rather our kinder age kids be doing more secular things. Like playing with plastic prostitutes(Bratz dolls), getting programmed by disney, and reading planned parenthood books about masturbation and anal sex (it's perfectly normal). Yanno, heslthy, non brainwashing things.
Sorry Dove, but I'll go toe to toe with you on the detriment of religion on sexuality, specifically as it pertains to kids any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
  Based on guilt catholic dogma that isn't biblical and is known for sexual abuse.  God made sex.  I was way more twisted sexually by the world than by religion. There is a balance, and teaching kids to think of sex as bad and dirty is bad just wrong oversexualizing them.  You have orgasm because God made the body to have them. You can't go toe to toe with me from some catholic standpoint.  It's not my position. You can try, of course....but I have the only 2 girls in the school who aren't boycrazy or trying to wear make up. Sex is an act of love that's more than physical, despite the secular view that we should rut like pigs as if it's a handshake and advertise our bodies. 12 year old girls don't need padded bras, or socks that say "flirt", or dolls dressed like they are about to do a stage set at the local strip club.
I just don't see anything wrong with books about masturbation or knowing anal sex is okay for consenting adults who take proper pre-cautions or knowing their reproductive options.  I don't give a flying fuck about padded bras, words on socks or dolls that look like strippers.  I care that my kids have an open relationship with me where they can discuss decal issues and they aren't ignorant of their sexual selfs or choices.  
I have also seen many Christian parents pull their kids from sex ed classes.
  I don't either. Until you pass out material about it to 5th graders in school, thusly overstepping your  boundaries in a public classroom with other people's kids. I do have my children's trust and we talk about these things. That doesn't make it okay for the school to come in and get graphic.   Why does a child need a padded bra?  They dont. It's totally innapropriate and over sexualizing kids.  Alot of people feel that way.
Here's the part where I said Christain parents pull kids from sex Ed classes to make a point about religious detriment.  Here's where you continue the conversation about sex ed, so don't play me like I pulled your comments about sex ed out of my ass.
Nice try.
It's also not uncommon for boys to experience worry the first time they ejaculate.  Telling a kid that's normal isn't a bad thing.  Girls break their hymens while masturbating and freak out.
Again, this is what I'm talking about when I mention being clueless.
Will kids be fine without knowing these facts?  Sure.  I just prefer my kids understand the anatomy and physiology of their bodies.  But hey, that's me.  If you prefer to keep your kids in the dark, that's your prerogative.
			 
			
			
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Wait.
There's a Captain UNDERPANTS?
Who knew?
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Wait.
There's a Captain UNDERPANTS?
Who knew?
 ac_lmfao
I did!  And apparently so did all the people in the US insisting it be banned for potty words and fart humour.
			 
			
			
				Well, all they have to do is give him a gun and let him shoot people and he'll be a family favourite.
			
			
			
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Fear and ignorance make the world go round n'est-ce pas?
			 
			
			
				Yeah, because it's not in the slightest bit ignorant to encourage children to read books full of fart jokes and toilet humor and it's perfectly acceptable to use tax dollars to provide librarys and schools with shit like that. :oeudC: 
I would like to ask, "what the fuck is wrong with you people"? But I already know the answer and its not worth discussing.
			
			
			
				Why would anyone put out a book about farts and toilet humor? Isn't that's what family is for?  :confused1:
			
			
			
				...because people write books about absolutely anything, even stupid things...
			
			
			
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I would like to ask, "what the fuck is wrong with you people"? But I already know the answer and its not worth discussing.
I spent years running book fairs and the Captain Underpants series was one of the best sellers.  I imagine it's in school libraries because it's a popular fictional series amoung male youth.  I would imagine tax dollars are well spent when they promote literacy.  Literacy is promoted through books children like to read like Captain U.  Another fact is that reading proficiency is the number one determinant of high school graduation rates so kids should read read read their little eyes out.
I digress though.  What "you people" ban in your libraries isn't nearly as significant at the promotion of ignorance by clueless/religious/misinformed/uneducated parents on matters of sexual education.  Ignorance breeds curiousity.  Ignorance increases children's chances of being molested and teens' chances of being raped or contracting diseases.  This isn't poopoo, peepee, farty pants stuff.  This is something that can have a profound impact on a child's life FOREVER.
Get smart about this stuff people.  You owe that much to your kids regardless of if you love Jesus or not.
			 
			
			
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I have absolutely no objections to sex ed. I'm glad my boys had them in high school. They had me to teach them things too because I wanted them to be aware of things that may not have been covered in the class.
			 
			
			
				They're finding high school is too late for that kind of thing.  Kids are hitting puberty at 9 and 10, 11 and 12 year olds are having sex.  Children are being exploited and abused.
Teaching kids the anatomical basics at an earlier age decreases their chances of being sexually abused.  It also makes it A LOT easier to talk to them when they are teenagers.
			
			
			
				If I recall correctly, they had this also in middle school. I can't remember exactly when my adult son had his class and now my 17 year old had it years ago. Anyway, no matter what they were told in that class, I had lessons to teach them too.
			
			
			
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 Well see now here is where researching what I'm saying might just come in fucking handy before you go off all full of yourself telling me I'm wrong or exaggerating.  Common core IS trying to work it into the curriculum and it's even been all the news here. Fuck.
			 
			
			
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That's how it should be in terms of parents taking a toll in teaching.
Here, they teach the anatomical, physiological, security and relationship piece but leave the moral, ethical standards to the parents.  Before sex ed happens in the schools, the instructor for the district offers a parent education class so they know what's being taught and what they can add to their learning.  Its not outrageous stuff that these kids are learning - it's about how their bodies work and it's stuff every kid should know.
			 
			
			
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 Well see now here is where researching what I'm saying might just come in fucking handy before you go off all full of yourself telling me I'm wrong or exaggerating.  Common core IS trying to work it into the curriculum and it's even been all the news here. Fuck.
You've already said exaggerating like a fool is your shtick (ya, I remember that conversation).  Put up the article or news link about it and let's discuss it.  Maybe in the link you are going to provide is a reason why they want to teach kids this stuff.
I won't hold my breath either.
			 
			
			
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Teaching kids the anatomical basics at an earlier age decreases their chances of being sexually abused.  It also makes it A LOT easier to talk to them when they are teenagers.
  Exactly. As far as I'm concerned exposing my ten year old to graphic illustrations of intercourse and descriptions of how good sex feels is exploitation and abuse.
			 
			
			
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 Well see now here is where researching what I'm saying might just come in fucking handy before you go off all full of yourself telling me I'm wrong or exaggerating.  Common core IS trying to work it into the curriculum and it's even been all the news here. Fuck.
You've already said exaggerating like a fool is your shtick (ya, I remember that conversation).  Put up the article or news link about it and let's discuss it.  Maybe in the link you are going to provide is a reason why they want to teach kids this stuff.
I won't hold my breath either.
  I didn't open a discussion about sex ed. I stated my disapproval of this particular book, as you have seen in my post. You are the one who started in about sex ed.
			 
			
			
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Teaching kids the anatomical basics at an earlier age decreases their chances of being sexually abused.  It also makes it A LOT easier to talk to them when they are teenagers.
  Exactly. As far as I'm concerned exposing my ten year old to graphic illustrations of intercourse and descriptions of how good sex feels is exploitation and abuse.
I agree even if it's only happening in your imagination.
			 
			
			
				
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Link where they are making this book part of sex ed curriculum.
I also know full well that keeping kids in the dark about sexual education isn't restricted to religious parents.
			 
			
			
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You call that porn?  ac_lmfao
Why would a book for educating youth about sex be allowed in prisons in the first place?
You haven't providing a link confirming that either BTW.
			 
			
			
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You call that porn?
 ac_lmfao
 I call it innapropriate for elementary school.  Just because you are liberal with sex with your young kids doesn't give you the right to criticize other parents. These things can be taught at home.  I'm not paying tax dollars for some outside source to teach my kids about different sex positions, masturating and anal sex.
			 
			
			
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(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg%22%3Ehttp://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)  what elementary library isn't complete without cartoon porn? Lol. Yeah I'm imagining it.
You call that porn?  ac_lmfao
Why would a book for educating youth about sex be allowed in prisons in the first place?
You haven't providing a link confirming that either BTW.
 Are your fingers broke? Check it yourself. I know I'm right....you are the one arguing. Go research it your damn self.
			 
			
			
				How about you support your own arguments.  If you can't, I call bullshit.  You're no stranger to how this works Dove.
			
			
			
				
(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i65.tinypic.com/nmkd5c.jpg%22%3Ehttp://i65.tinypic.com/nmkd5c.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)  Ten year olds totally worry about this stuff. Lol. They think about it all the time. Thank God for public schools stepping in and saving our kids from exploitation, promiscuity, sexual repression and the terror of breaking hymens in between rounds of minecraft and for building.
			 
			
			
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(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg%22%3Ehttp://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)  what elementary library isn't complete without cartoon porn? Lol. Yeah I'm imagining it.
You call that porn?
 ac_lmfao
 I call it innapropriate for elementary school.  Just because you are liberal with sex with your young kids doesn't give you the right to criticize other parents. These things can be taught at home.  I'm not paying tax dollars for some outside source to teach my kids about different sex positions, masturating and anal sex.
But the image you posted doesn't show different sex positions or anal sex.  It shows sex (which people have), it shows masturbation (which young kids do), it shows putting on a condom (safe sex FTW).
If this book isn't for you, tell your kids to not read it.  For those of us who are okay with our kids understand sexuality, let us decide if they read it.  Who the hell are you to impart ignorance on other people's kids?
			 
			
			
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 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?
			 
			
			
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(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i65.tinypic.com/nmkd5c.jpg%22%3Ehttp://i65.tinypic.com/nmkd5c.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)  Ten year olds totally worry about this stuff. Lol. They think about it all the time. Thank God for public schools stepping in and saving our kids from exploitation, promiscuity, sexual repression and the terror of breaking hymens in between rounds of minecraft and for building.
You'd be surprised what kids worry about.  In the case of my children, they have parents that they are able to talk to about any worry they might have including future sexual relationships and consequences.
I think that might have something to do with the fact that we don't freak out over pictures in educational books.
			 
			
			
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 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?
I am reading you and I'm challenging you provide PROOF that what you are saying is actually true.  There's no point in arguing imagination.
My "ideal" is based on keeping kids safe and healthy.  Isn't that one of those things that every parent is into?
			 
			
			
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(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg%22%3Ehttp://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)  what elementary library isn't complete without cartoon porn? Lol. Yeah I'm imagining it.
You call that porn?
 ac_lmfao
 I call it innapropriate for elementary school.  Just because you are liberal with sex with your young kids doesn't give you the right to criticize other parents. These things can be taught at home.  I'm not paying tax dollars for some outside source to teach my kids about different sex positions, masturating and anal sex.
  Who the hell are you to impart ignorance on other people's kids?
  That's exactly how I feel about fucked up parents who shove sex down ten year old kids throats when they aren't even developed enough mentally to process that infirmation(and dont even really think about it either) What the fuck are you thinking?  That a group of ten year olds are gonna sit there with a cup of coffee and use this info to make healthy, informed choices about sex?  Is that what you think?  God forbid they have a childhood free of asshole adults and their various agendas and ideals, right?  Why not air live srx acts, RW?  It's just sex.
			 
			
			
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 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?
I am reading you and I'm challenging you provide PROOF that what you are saying is actually true.  There's no point in arguing imagination.
My "ideal" is based on keeping kids safe and healthy.  Isn't that one of those things that every parent is into?
 You need it, go get it.
			 
			
			
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(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg%22%3Ehttp://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)  what elementary library isn't complete without cartoon porn? Lol. Yeah I'm imagining it.
You call that porn?
 ac_lmfao
 I call it innapropriate for elementary school.  Just because you are liberal with sex with your young kids doesn't give you the right to criticize other parents. These things can be taught at home.  I'm not paying tax dollars for some outside source to teach my kids about different sex positions, masturating and anal sex.
  Who the hell are you to impart ignorance on other people's kids?
  That's exactly how I feel about fucked up parents who shove sex down ten year old kids throats when they aren't even developed enough mentally to process that infirmation(and dont even really think about it either) What the fuck are you thinking?  That a group of ten year olds are gonna sit there with a cup of coffee and use this info to make healthy, informed choices about sex?  Is that what you think?  God forbid they have a childhood free of asshole adults and their various agendas and ideals, right?  Why not air live srx acts, RW?  It's just sex.
Why did I discuss sex and sexually with my kids when they were in Kindergarten?  Because it decreases the chances of a child being sexually exploited.  Kids who know proper names for body parts and have a rhudimentary vocabulary around sexual physiology clearly have a trusted adult in their lives who they discuss their bodies with making them more likely to report sexual abuses.  That's a red flag for pedophiles.
We discussed with them about what their reproductive organs are and what they do.  We talked about the development and how sex is for grown ups.  We discussed how no one should touch them.  We talked about masturbation because even at that age they had both touched themselves.  We told them that was normal and private. No shaming.  My kids were shown condoms so if they saw one on the playground, they would know not to touch it.
At that age, they don't really take it all in but one day when they get to be about 7, it starts to click and they ask for a refresher with the added puberty components.
Now they are 11 and they ask us what things they hear mean.  They are more interested in STDs and they they'll go blind if they masturbate too much.  We've stressed the importance of not taking pics, consenting age, and telling us of any inappropriate conversations. Stuff like that.  
The point is that we've always had an open, honest and informative dialogue with them free of judgment and shame that I see carrying on into their teenage years.  That doesn't mean we haven't explained to them the importance of waiting to have sex or values around sex.
I honestly and truly believe keeping kids in the dark breeds curiousity.  If they feel they can't talk to you (maybe because you freak out over books that tell them things), they'll find out from someone else.  That's not what I want for my kids.
My kids are also still kids.  They aren't out playing doctor with the neighbourhood kids or pole dancing at the local strip club.  They aren't wagging their privates around or showing off their breasts.  They are normal, decent kids who just happened to know what the deal is with their sexual organs which keeps asshole adults with sexual agendas away from them.
			 
			
			
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 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?
I am reading you and I'm challenging you provide PROOF that what you are saying is actually true.  There's no point in arguing imagination.
My "ideal" is based on keeping kids safe and healthy.  Isn't that one of those things that every parent is into?
 You need it, go get it.
This ^^^ screams "I made it up because I'm hysterical".
			 
			
			
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(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg%22%3Ehttp://i68.tinypic.com/2rc7scx.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)  what elementary library isn't complete without cartoon porn? Lol. Yeah I'm imagining it.
You call that porn?
 ac_lmfao
 I call it innapropriate for elementary school.  Just because you are liberal with sex with your young kids doesn't give you the right to criticize other parents. These things can be taught at home.  I'm not paying tax dollars for some outside source to teach my kids about different sex positions, masturating and anal sex.
  Who the hell are you to impart ignorance on other people's kids?
  That's exactly how I feel about fucked up parents who shove sex down ten year old kids throats when they aren't even developed enough mentally to process that infirmation(and dont even really think about it either) What the fuck are you thinking?  That a group of ten year olds are gonna sit there with a cup of coffee and use this info to make healthy, informed choices about sex?  Is that what you think?  God forbid they have a childhood free of asshole adults and their various agendas and ideals, right?  Why not air live srx acts, RW?  It's just sex.
Why did I discuss sex and sexually with my kids when they were in Kindergarten?  Because it decreases the chances of a child being sexually exploited.  Kids who know proper names for body parts and have a rhudimentary vocabulary around sexual physiology clearly have a trusted adult in their lives who they discuss their bodies with making them more likely to report sexual abuses.  That's a red flag for pedophiles.
We discussed with them about what their reproductive organs are and what they do.  We talked about the development and how sex is for grown ups.  We discussed how no one should touch them.  We talked about masturbation because even at that age they had both touched themselves.  We told them that was normal and private. No shaming.  My kids were shown condoms so if they saw one on the playground, they would know not to touch it.
At that age, they don't really take it all in but one day when they get to be about 7, it starts to click and they ask for a refresher with the added puberty components.
Now they are 11 and they ask us what things they hear mean.  They are more interested in STDs and they they'll go blind if they masturbate too much.  We've stressed the importance of not taking pics, consenting age, and telling us of any inappropriate conversations. Stuff like that.  
The point is that we've always had an open, honest and informative dialogue with them free of judgment and shame that I see carrying on into their teenage years.  That doesn't mean we haven't explained to them the importance of waiting to have sex or values around sex.
I honestly and truly believe keeping kids in the dark breeds curiousity.  If they feel they can't talk to you (maybe because you freak out over books that tell them things), they'll find out from someone else.  That's not what I want for my kids.
My kids are also still kids.  They aren't out playing doctor with the neighbourhood kids or pole dancing at the local strip club.  They aren't wagging their privates around or showing off their breasts.  They are normal, decent kids who just happened to know what the deal is with their sexual organs which keeps asshole adults with sexual agendas away from them.
  Let's see some hard evidence to support early sexual exposure prevents unhealthy sex. You'll find the opposite. Btw, my kids could hold a class on sex ed. Not every ten year old can process this information.  That's the point.  It's not appropriate for the public school system to make sure ten year olds grow up to be sexually responsible. It's their job to teach basic education and leave this stuff to parents who know their kids and what their kids can process.  High school?  Let them have the book. Elementary school?  Back the fuck off.  It's that simple. And also, I'd like to see hard evidence that early exposure to sexual topics is positive.  Because there are plenty of studies that show the exact opposite.
			 
			
			
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 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?
I am reading you and I'm challenging you provide PROOF that what you are saying is actually true.  There's no point in arguing imagination.
My "ideal" is based on keeping kids safe and healthy.  Isn't that one of those things that every parent is into?
 You need it, go get it.
This ^^^ screams "I made it up because I'm hysterical".
  Notice how I already stated I don't care of you believe anything I'm saying.  You have working fingers. Go Google it.
			 
			
			
				These are sexual health educators in our neck of the woods:
http://www.saleemanoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/why-we-need-to-teach-2012.pdf
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/sexual-health/in-depth/sex-education/art-20044104
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sandy_Wurtele/publication/21668236_Sexual_abuse_prevention_education_for_young_children_a_comparison_of_teachers_and_parents_as_instructors/links/541a2dac0cf2218008bfa8cc.pdf
			
			
			
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 Because I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not, but logic would say if you want to challange a statement you should probably be prepared to do so, right?  You barely listen to what's being said anyway in your rush to force your ideals,  so why would I go out of my way to prove something to you when you can't even listen to other people?
I am reading you and I'm challenging you provide PROOF that what you are saying is actually true.  There's no point in arguing imagination.
My "ideal" is based on keeping kids safe and healthy.  Isn't that one of those things that every parent is into?
 You need it, go get it.
This ^^^ screams "I made it up because I'm hysterical".
  Notice how I already stated I don't care of you believe anything I'm saying.  You have working fingers. Go Google it.
What am I Googling exactly?  Parents somewhere in US freak out over sex book?
			 
			
			
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I'm an Atheist.  Most people that I meet wouldn't even know this.  I hang Christmas lights up, even.  I even say Merry Christmas, and prefer this term over "Happy Holidays!"
As an Atheist, it's really not my business, nor my care, to give a fuck what others do.
What I see, cc, is nothing more here than a jab at Atheists.  In fact, I doubt you even really know any true Atheists, for the minute you'd spout this misdirected belief of "their all-consuming hate," they'd simply not be around you, ever again.
			 
			
			
				You see, true Atheists rarely even bother with the religion of others.  When I'm with my friends, religion is not a topic to discuss, since it doesn't pertain to us, and is of no interest to us.
We may speak of religion, but we lump it all together...  Other than fanatics that cause trouble, we don't really differentiate between Muslims, Jews, Christians or Scientologists.  We view them as no different than one another.  And they aren't.
We do understand, however, that some people need religion in their lives.  Sometimes, it works for some people.  We also understand that most people are indoctrinated into religion from very young.  We know this engrains these thought patterns into their brains, which is very hard to ever remove.  That's why religion likes to get 'em started young!
Atheists are probably the most truthful people that you'll ever meet.  They will not preach a fucking thing, and don't have someone to "repent their sins" to.  You see, if we are assholes all week, we get to live with that.  We don't have "confession" to make our poor behaviour "all better."
			
			
			
				In the same post about no one is different, you begin condescending religious people. Are you guys even the tiniest bit self aware?  And didn't you just pull the "no true scottsman"?
			
			
			
				Now, I may be babbling here a bit, but I do have one buddy that is an Atheist, for all intents and purposes.
The problem with him, however, is that he often cares too much about blasting down The Church.  Since I'm friends with White people, in this case he likes to focus too much on The Christian Church that he so despises.
I know why he does this, since I have also met his mother years back.  She 
You see, he 
I can be certain though, that his child will have no ties to any organized religion whatsoever, since his wife isn't religious either...  Only then, will they see a true Atheist...  With their child.  Which is what I am already...
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Dove"
If you wanna converse about specific shit I've said, you should learn to quote...
			 
			
			
				The whole thing.  It was pretty presumptious and condescending.  And you totally pulled the no true scotsman. As if there is a set code of conduct for a non belief.  Was Stalin a 'real' atheist?
			
			
			
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				Quote from: "Dove"
There 
I have provided examples of behaviour from people that may think they are Atheist, but quite haven't attained that yet.  Most likely their kids will be "full blown," so to speak...
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Ace"
We may speak of religion, but we lump it all together...  Other than fanatics that cause trouble, we don't really differentiate between Muslims, Jews, Christians or Scientologists.  We view them as no different than one another.  And they aren't.
We do understand, however, that some people need religion in their lives.  Sometimes, it works for some people.  We also understand that most people are indoctrinated into religion from very young.  We know this engrains these thought patterns into their brains, which is very hard to ever remove.  That's why religion likes to get 'em started young!
Atheists are probably the most truthful people that you'll ever meet.  They will not preach a fucking thing, and don't have someone to "repent their sins" to.  You see, if we are assholes all week, we get to live with that.  We don't have "confession" to make our poor behaviour "all better."
  Theerrreee we go. Here, this shit. It's quoted now.  Let's converse.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "Dove"
There 
I have provided examples of behaviour from people that may think they are Atheist, but quite haven't attained that yet.  Most likely their kids will be "full blown," so to speak...
  So you ARE religious. Interesting.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Dove"
He may have been.  I personally don't know his "real" views on a greater power, but he may have been.
However, understand that many people with exposure to any Church, such as Stalin, are actually Agnostic...  They despise organized religion, but may still believe in a "higher power."
My Mother is one such example...  She despises organized religion, but isn't sure if there's a higher power or not.  She is an Agnostic.  Again, totally different than an Atheist.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Dove"
I'm not.  Unless, of course, you view the view of no higher power as a religion in itself.
I guess it could be construed as shared values.  However, the belief requires no teacher, no class, no indoctrination, no ideals, no morals, etc etc etc.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "Dove"
I'm not.  Unless, of course, you view the view of no higher power as a religion in itself.
I guess it could be construed as shared values.  However, the belief requires no teacher, no class, no indoctrination, no ideals, no morals, etc etc etc.
 You are religious. You have a belief system with a title and adhere to a code of conduct based on that belief. That is the definition of religious.
			 
			
			
				You're wrong, actually...
			
			
			
				Look Dove...  If you are a Bible thumper, that's your business.
I really don't care.
However, I know your type quite well...  Gonna try to convert me?  Others do!
I am a resistant bastard.  I cannot be broken.
			
			
			
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 No, I'm not. You live by a title and set code of conduct. That's religion.  Quote from: "Ace"
I really don't care.
However, I know your type quite well...  Gonna try to convert me?  Others do!
I am a resistant bastard.  I cannot be broken.
  I am of the reformed theology ilk.  According to the bible, humans don't convert humans.  I'm quite sure you know all about everyone, don't ya? ;)
			 
			
			
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				In all honesty, Dove?
It's moot.  It doesn't matter to me.
Why? As much as you'd like me to "understand" your beliefs, you will never understand mine.
That is why true Atheists like me just don't bother.  We don't care.
Dove?  You are a good example of the people we avoid.
			
			
			
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Quote from: "Renee"
I would like to ask, "what the fuck is wrong with you people"? But I already know the answer and its not worth discussing.
I spent years running book fairs and the Captain Underpants series was one of the best sellers.  I imagine it's in school libraries because it's a popular fictional series amoung male youth.  I would imagine tax dollars are well spent when they promote literacy.  Literacy is promoted through books children like to read like Captain U.  Another fact is that reading proficiency is the number one determinant of high school graduation rates so kids should read read read their little eyes out.
I digress though.  What "you people" ban in your libraries isn't nearly as significant at the promotion of ignorance by clueless/religious/misinformed/uneducated parents on matters of sexual education.  Ignorance breeds curiousity.  Ignorance increases children's chances of being molested and teens' chances of being raped or contracting diseases.  This isn't poopoo, peepee, farty pants stuff.  This is something that can have a profound impact on a child's life FOREVER.
Get smart about this stuff people.  You owe that much to your kids regardless of if you love Jesus or not.
Of course captain underpants is going to appeal to kids and sell well. It's a direct appeal to the juvenile mind that all too often is attracted to crap in the gutter. Promoting literacy is as much about expanding a child's mind as it is about getting them to read. I can't imagine captain underpants does much to increase a child's intelligence. Sorry, but defending books like captain underpants when there are so many other more worthy literary choices for children sounds ridiculous to me.
Now as to your second point regarding ignorance, I agree completely, ignorance is dangerous for not only children but for the parents as well. Because when a child comes home pregnant or with an STD or ends up getting molested, the child's life is not the only life that is detrimentally impacted.
BTW, who let that fucking knob, Ace loose on the main forum?
			 
			
			
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How 'bout that, you ugly cunt?
This is unacceptable language and demeanour in this section.
Will the mods kindly get their act together?
It surely is not difficult to remove/edit an improper post.
			 
			
			
				I had a few drinks last night.  I'll edit my post for the sensitive...
			
			
			
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How 'bout that, you ugly cunt?
This is unacceptable language and demeanour in this section.
Will the mods kindly get their act together?
It surely is not difficult to remove/edit an improper post.
I agree with this devil.
			 
			
			
				It's already edited, people!  Christ.  So sensitive.
			
			
			
				Fa la la la la...la la la la.... ac_toofunny
			
			
			
				I had a few drinks last night!  Show me a little tenderness and understanding!
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Quote from: "Ace"
How 'bout that, you ugly cunt?
This is unacceptable language and demeanour in this section.
Will the mods kindly get their act together?
It surely is not difficult to remove/edit an improper post.
Would you kindly acknowledge that we aren't here babysitting fuck heads 24/7?
Ace has been put back in his cage.  You all can relax now.
			 
			
			
				If there is a modding or administration issue that requires our attention, please PM me or send an email to thebluecashew@gmail.com.
			
			
			
				Yeah, but then the asshole won't know who snitched.
And I WANT him to know.
			
			
			
				Then PM him.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Ace"
Listen carefully, moron.
No-one here is sensitive.
Most people can give and take far more than your diminutive brain is capable of processing.
The point is not anyone's sensitivity. Its about establishing and maintaining a certain level of decorum so people can feel free to create, join and read serious and sensible discussions without being abused by someone who contributes nothing BUT abuse.
If that is hard for you to understand, PM me and I'll explain it in language you are more familiar with.
Use your fucking brains. You don;t have to be Snow White, but you DO have to act like an adult. Getting pissed off your face, by the way, does not qualify as adult behaviour, so don't try and hide behind that as an excuse for behaving like an unregistered dog.
You want to play dress ups, there's a sub forum for that.
Otherwise, act your fucking age.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Renee"
I would like to ask, "what the fuck is wrong with you people"? But I already know the answer and its not worth discussing.
I spent years running book fairs and the Captain Underpants series was one of the best sellers.  I imagine it's in school libraries because it's a popular fictional series amoung male youth.  I would imagine tax dollars are well spent when they promote literacy.  Literacy is promoted through books children like to read like Captain U.  Another fact is that reading proficiency is the number one determinant of high school graduation rates so kids should read read read their little eyes out.
I digress though.  What "you people" ban in your libraries isn't nearly as significant at the promotion of ignorance by clueless/religious/misinformed/uneducated parents on matters of sexual education.  Ignorance breeds curiousity.  Ignorance increases children's chances of being molested and teens' chances of being raped or contracting diseases.  This isn't poopoo, peepee, farty pants stuff.  This is something that can have a profound impact on a child's life FOREVER.
Get smart about this stuff people.  You owe that much to your kids regardless of if you love Jesus or not.
Of course captain underpants is going to appeal to kids and sell well. It's a direct appeal to the juvenile mind that all too often is attracted to crap in the gutter. Promoting literacy is as much about expanding a child's mind as it is about getting them to read. I can't imagine captain underpants does much to increase a child's intelligence. Sorry, but defending books like captain underpants when there are so many other more worthy literary choices for children sounds ridiculous to me.
Now as to your second point regarding ignorance, I agree completely, ignorance is dangerous for not only children but for the parents as well. Because when a child comes home pregnant or with an STD or ends up getting molested, the child's life is not the only life that is detrimentally impacted.
BTW, who let that fucking knob, Ace loose on the main forum?
When kids are learning how to read, anything that gets them to pick up a book is important.  Whether they read comics or Seuss or Shakespeare is moot.  They need to be exposed to as many words as possible and practice a lot.  It's not a matter of intelligence (I think the word you were looking for was knowledge) but if Captain Underpants gets them to pick up a book, it's a good thing as it promotes literacy.  
Ignorance is dangerous and parents should see themselves as partners in sexual health but many do not have all the pieces.  I firmly believe in having sexual health educators come in to teach kids about things that are appropriate for their age level.  Keeping kids in the dark about their bodies even at an elementary school age is truly doing them no favours.  Parents have to stop being hysterical about this shit.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Quote from: "Ace"
Listen carefully, moron.
No-one here is sensitive.
Most people can give and take far more than your diminutive brain is capable of processing.
The point is not anyone's sensitivity. Its about establishing and maintaining a certain level of decorum so people can feel free to create, join and read serious and sensible discussions without being abused by someone who contributes nothing BUT abuse.
If that is hard for you to understand, PM me and I'll explain it in language you are more familiar with.
Use your fucking brains. You don;t have to be Snow White, but you DO have to act like an adult. Getting pissed off your face, by the way, does not qualify as adult behaviour, so don't try and hide behind that as an excuse for behaving like an unregistered dog.
You want to play dress ups, there's a sub forum for that.
Otherwise, act your fucking age.
  He already meltdown and get put in time out?  Dang I was gonna have fun with that one.
			 
			
			
				Oh, yeah?
Why don't you pick on someone your OWN size...
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				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Why don't you pick on someone your OWN size...
 ac_beating
  Are you flirting with me, again? *insert creepy eyebrow wiggle here*
			 
			
			
				Hah!!!
Wishful thinking, toots.
I don't mix well with X-tans. I corrupt and pervert them to the dark side.
			
			
			
				Catholics too.
			
			
			
				Catholics are already on the dark side. Can you think of any more perverted and corrupt god botherers on the planet?
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
True.
Quit hitting on Dove.
			 
			
			
				I'm NOT hitting on her.
I am merely corrupting her.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
I am merely corrupting her.
Stop that too ya pervert.  ac_beating
			 
			
			
				Hey, if Christians can go around proselytising,  I can go around corrupting.
Its only fair.
			
			
			
				Corrupt men.
			
			
			
				I don't KNOW any Xtian men!!!
We're not that dumb and malleable as to get caught up in that religious nonsense.
			
			
			
				Oh bullshit.  Go to Xtain youth groups - males everywhere.
			
			
			
				They're only trying to hit on the good looking virgins.
There are no male Xtians here.
			
			
			
				You have clearly not been to a Xtain youth group HAHAHAHA
			
			
			
				Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
I am merely corrupting her.
Stop that too ya pervert.  ac_beating
 I was new orleans stripper and a heroin addict. He thinks he can corrupt me?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
We're not that dumb and malleable as to get caught up in that religious nonsense.
  I know ALOT of Christian men. Who do not hit on women...or....fornicate. just sayin.  Many of them could annialate every single atheist/anti theist argument you could throw at them.  Lots of theist men in areas of science such as astrophysics, nuerology, et.  Don't talk to big. Unless your feet taste good ;)
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "RW"
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I am merely corrupting her.
Stop that too ya pervert.  ac_beating
 I was new orleans stripper and a heroin addict. He thinks he can corrupt me?
He just gets off on trying is all.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
We're not that dumb and malleable as to get caught up in that religious nonsense.
  I know ALOT of Christian men. Who do not hit on women...or....fornicate. just sayin.  Many of them could annialate every single atheist/anti theist argument you could throw at them.  Lots of theist men in areas of science such as astrophysics, nuerology, et.  Don't talk to big. Unless your feet taste good ;)
We have some very educated men in our church.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
I am merely corrupting her.
Stop that too ya pervert.  ac_beating
 I was new orleans stripper and a heroin addict. He thinks he can corrupt me?
I was a cop.
You're easy meat.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Quote from: "Dove"
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Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
I am merely corrupting her.
Stop that too ya pervert.  ac_beating
 I was new orleans stripper and a heroin addict. He thinks he can corrupt me?
I was a cop.
You're easy meat.
  hahaha please. Come beva cop in Detroit for a while, we will talk about currution. I'm just sayin.  I'm living proof that God loves sinners.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Dove"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
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Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
I am merely corrupting her.
Stop that too ya pervert.  ac_beating
 I was new orleans stripper and a heroin addict. He thinks he can corrupt me?
I was a cop.
You're easy meat.
  hahaha please. Come beva cop in Detroit for a while, we will talk about currution. I'm just sayin.  I'm living proof that God loves sinners.
Your testimony is amazing Dove.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Quote from: "Dove"
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Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
I am merely corrupting her.
Stop that too ya pervert.  ac_beating
 I was new orleans stripper and a heroin addict. He thinks he can corrupt me?
I was a cop.
You're easy meat.
That sounds extra dirty btw.
			 
			
			
				Sheesh...can't I say ANYTHING without you making it sound sordid???
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
What can I say?  You got to me years ago.  There's no going back.
 :evilthoughts2:
			 
			
			
				Don't blame me for your debasement...you were like that when I got here...
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Not if you ask them over on MB.  I was an angel.  Well like and respected.  Now look at what I've become.   :shock:
			 
			
			
				Would you like for me to tell the fans what the first thing you said to me was?
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
That was NOT the FIRST thing I said to you.  YOU PMed me first.  Let that stand for the record.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Was it - do you shave your balls in the shower?
			 
			
			
				That was the first thing I said to you.
Hahaha
			
			
			
				Quote from: "RW"
Hahaha
No it wasn't lol.
But my reply to you was, have you ever seen a foot with no toes.  :sneaky2:
			 
			
			
				It took me a minute to get that.  I guess Crow hasn't fully corrupted me yet.
Hahaha
			
			
			
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Quote from: "RW"
Hahaha
No it wasn't lol.
But my reply to you was, have you ever seen a foot with no toes.  :sneaky2:
Correct me if I'm wrong but it think a foot with no toes is called a flipper or is it a hoof? 
OMG! WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME?!! :shock:
			 
			
			
				A paddle.
BUAHAHAHA!
			
			
			
				Reference PP for my knee surgery xray :wink:
			
			
			
				Quote from: "RW"
Hahaha
I think you're safe