Every year, I say "never again", yet somehow it falls on us and we relent.
Next year, there will be NO Xmas!!!
			
			
			
				Pawn it off on the kids next year.
			
			
			
				Do it for the kids...
			
			
			
				Give them a potato  ac_biggrin We do this as a gag gift
			
			
			
				Grannie, that's inspired!!!
Cooked, or raw?
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Next year, there will be NO Xmas!!!
I go to my parents house for the day, so all the work is on them.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "short studd"
Without kids, X-mas is not the same magic.
			 
			
			
				Very true.
			
			
			
				I second that RW.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Next year, there will be NO Xmas!!!
I go to my parents house for the day, so all the work is on them.
I AM the fucking parents!!!
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Next year, there will be NO Xmas!!!
I go to my parents house for the day, so all the work is on them.
I AM the fucking parents!!!
You must love having the family around for Christmas.
			 
			
			
				You'd think so...but when you have a worn and weary three year old who's social adjustment is a work in progress, and a 91 year old that was never socially adjusted in the first place, that love gets thin by the end of the day.
			
			
			
				That's patience not love ya git.
			
			
			
				I ran out of patience when the dinner was served and the 91 year decided it was time to "wash her hands" for 30 fucking minutes.
			
			
			
				Then do what smart parents do and pawn Christmas dinner off on an adult child.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Now you know the frustration those of us over 20 years your junior feel when dealing with you and your bullshit. ac_biggrin
			 
			
			
				I had fun, but I like when things go back to normal too.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Now you know the frustration those of us over 20 years your junior feel when dealing with you and your bullshit. ac_biggrin
As long as I can still aggravate YOU, life is worth living.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Next year, there will be NO Xmas!!!
I go to my parents house for the day, so all the work is on them.
I AM the fucking parents!!!
That's what my parents said too, but in Korean. :laugh3:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Next year, there will be NO Xmas!!!
But it's for the older folks to create a Christmas for the little ones.
			 
			
			
				We sub contract to Santa.
			
			
			
				With our kids being adults, it's more of spending time together and sharing fond memories. We did give each other useful gifts. This year we decided to retire the potato.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "GrAnnie"
And Christmas will change again once you have grandchildren GrAnnie.
			 
			
			
				Oh I know Fash, I'm already re visiting toy sections when I shop  ac_smile  I can't wait to give coloring books and crayons, get down on the floor with her and color outside the lines!  :yahoo:
			
			
			
				Colouring books?
Annie, you're 30 years out of date.
Its sketch apps on iPads now!!!
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Next year, there will be NO Xmas!!!
Mr. Crowley, we're still in the Christmas Holiday Season.
It don't end until at least January 1st.
...Not over 'til its over!
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Annie, you're 30 years out of date.
Its sketch apps on iPads now!!!
They still sell colouring books and crayons.
			 
			
			
				Bah, humbug.
			
			
			
				Oh hell no, my Grand babies aint gettin no ipads!
			
			
			
				Quote from: "GrAnnie"
That brings up a good question GrAnnie....at what age should we introduce babies to personal electronic devices?
And, as Mr. Crowley implied is there still room for traditional learning tools like colouring books?
			 
			
			
				My kids didn't get a cell phone until 16. I don't know what technology will be around when she's a teen.  We had the old n64 for years to play. We didn't get a playstation until our son was 17 and he bought it himself.  I imagine he will parent her the same.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "GrAnnie"
My daughter is fourteen and has a cell phone..
My son is ten and wants one, but for now he will have to settle with his MS surface that used to be mine.
			 
			
			
				Who knows by the time my grand daughter is a teen there could be internet micro chips imbedded in our brains by then...
			
			
			
				Quote from: "GrAnnie"
In the mean time True Dope's Liberals have the long form census to spy on us
			 
			
			
				I think I saw a guy on the show Shark Tank or something that he invented a cell that could surgically implanted in your head. It was too futuristic but quite incredible.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "GrAnnie"
 :ohmy:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "GrAnnie"
I saw that too. No one would invest in it because of the medical liability. They were afraid that people would get electrocuted in the shower.  :laugh3:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "GrAnnie"
My daughter is fourteen and has a cell phone..
My son is ten and wants one, but for now he will have to settle with his MS surface that used to be mine.
Our daughter was nine.
It was very much an issue of safety, and providing a communication channel should she need assistance.
Why people deny their children technology on some antiquated "it was good enough for me, so its good enough for you" claptrap astonishes me.
Why the fuck deny your children modern conveniences, just because you didn't have them, or more likely, you have no clue how to use them amazes me. 
Did your parents make you play vinyl albums because that's what THEY did? Or did you have to watch B&W TV because that's all THEY had? How about other forms of technology? Bio-tech with new and better drugs? Safer cars? 
The absurd notion that children should not have access to tech because it will stunt their growth is mind boggling in its irrationality. That's like denying teaching a baby to walk because they might bump into something.
			 
			
			
				My kid is still not getting a Play Station.
			
			
			
				Cell phones are fine but all that other stuff like ipads and what not are so not necessary. When I was a kid we had this thing called "playing outside". lol
			
			
			
				Quote from: "GrAnnie"
When I was a kid, there was no such thing as television.
Yet I still fail to see the rationale behind kids "playing outside"...as if that will prepare them for life moreso than technology.
Kids will play and socialise as they see fit, and compelling them to "play outside" (what, exactly, should they be playing? Cowboys and indians?) will make no difference.
Encouraging them to play sport is the best option, but above all else, kids seek activities that DRIVE THEIR IMAGINATION. 
Playstations, smart phones and iPads are no less detrimental to a child's development than radio and TV was to us when we were growing up, and were astonished to see moving images on a box in our sitting room. 
Parental obsession with "outside" is an irrational lie to children, particularly when the parents themselves remain INSIDE.
			 
			
			
				Playing outside = exercise.
			
			
			
				Thank gawd my kids were like me and couldn't sit still for long, always on the go.  I hear of some kids and their parents who have every imagined electronic new wave thing they could possibly have and it baffles me.  If technology was to be suddenly taken away (other than basic phone) our world would self destruct. It would be pandemonium!
			
			
			
				Quote from: "RW"
I want my son out side tobogganing in winter, riding his bike and skateboard in summer..
And of course playing hockey and soccer too.
			 
			
			
				Kids will almost invariably reflect their parents' behaviour.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
My husband likes soccer, so yes I agree.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Quote from: "GrAnnie"
When I was a kid, there was no such thing as television.
Yet I still fail to see the rationale behind kids "playing outside"...as if that will prepare them for life moreso than technology.
Kids will play and socialise as they see fit, and compelling them to "play outside" (what, exactly, should they be playing? Cowboys and indians?) will make no difference.
Encouraging them to play sport is the best option, but above all else, kids seek activities that DRIVE THEIR IMAGINATION. 
Playstations, smart phones and iPads are no less detrimental to a child's development than radio and TV was to us when we were growing up, and were astonished to see moving images on a box in our sitting room. 
Parental obsession with "outside" is an irrational lie to children, particularly when the parents themselves remain INSIDE.
Studies show that children who participate in outside activities, such as sports or free form p!ay with others are more adjusted and better prepared for real world face to face situations. They are also more socially adapt at performing real world activities that require teamwork and interpersonal communication skills. They also tend to be more empathic toward other people because it teaches kids that everyone is a person with an identity and feelings. Studies also show that childern who spend all their time playing video games and other forms of electronic media tend to be narcissistic, self-centered and selfish.
 There is NO electronic or digital substitute for personal face to face contact.
Children who play for at least two hours a day outside are also less likely to be overweight and even if they are overweight, they are in better physical, metabolic and emotional condition than children who spend inordinate amounts of time on the computer or in front of the TV.
 Go ahead, make some lame joke. It will just illustrate what an ass you can be, as if we needed another reminder. :laugh3: 
If nothing else, it is the physical and emotional health components that should be encouraged. For such a smart guy, how you fail to see that rational, is a mystery.  :001_rolleyes:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Quote from: "GrAnnie"
When I was a kid, there was no such thing as television.
Yet I still fail to see the rationale behind kids "playing outside"...as if that will prepare them for life moreso than technology.
Kids will play and socialise as they see fit, and compelling them to "play outside" (what, exactly, should they be playing? Cowboys and indians?) will make no difference.
Encouraging them to play sport is the best option, but above all else, kids seek activities that DRIVE THEIR IMAGINATION. 
Playstations, smart phones and iPads are no less detrimental to a child's development than radio and TV was to us when we were growing up, and were astonished to see moving images on a box in our sitting room. 
Parental obsession with "outside" is an irrational lie to children, particularly when the parents themselves remain INSIDE.
Studies show that children who participate in outside activities, such as sports or free form p!ay with others are more adjusted and better prepared for real world face to face situations. They are also more socially adapt at performing real world activities that require teamwork and interpersonal communication skills. They also tend to be more empathic toward other people because it teaches kids that everyone is a person with an identity and feelings. Studies also show that childern who spend all their time playing video games and other forms of electronic media tend to be narcissistic, self-centered and selfish.
 There is NO electronic or digital substitute for personal face to face contact.
 Go ahead, make some lame joke. It will just illustrate what an ass you can be, as if we needed another reminder. :laugh3: 
If nothing else, it is the physical and emotional health components that should be encouraged. For such a smart guy, how you fail to see that rational, is a mystery.  :001_rolleyes:
Is Spec actually suggesting exercise is bad for kidz??
			 
			
			
				Nah.
That just her little way of distorting my words to suit her diatribes.
What I am saying is that children will frequently mirror their parents. In her case, that does not auger well for their future.
I fully support  sport. I played it for most years of my life. Sadly, when I hear a parent say "Go play outside", what I often hear is "I don't want you inside".
			
			
			
				I don't want them inside!  I want them out interacting with other kids and running around like little fools.  Play is important for them to develop physical skills.  It's just a bonus that it means they aren't messing up the house.
			
			
			
				Funny, how most kids work that out for themselves.
Ever wondered why some don't, and prefer to work in the cyber realm??
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Ever wondered why some don't, and prefer to work in the cyber realm??
I'm wondering why you are abusing the poor comma like that.
Most kids these days would rather sit in front of their Playstations because it doesn't require any effort.
			 
			
			
				If kids have a good balance of technology and "playing outside" then I think they'll be very prepared for the world.  A couple hours in a week playing video games won't hurt them, it's when that's all they do is what will hurt in the long run.
			
			
			
				I agree. I'm pleased that both of my sons have busy social calendars. That shows me that they're not always playing video games although they do play that too. I think they have a reasonable dose of both.
			
			
			
				Everything is ok in moderation.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Ever wondered why some don't, and prefer to work in the cyber realm??
I'm wondering why you are abusing the poor comma like that.
Most kids these days would rather sit in front of their Playstations because it doesn't require any effort.
The last time that old fuck had any dealings with kids, their favorite indoor activity was painting pictures of animals on the cave walls.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
That just her little way of distorting my words to suit her diatribes.
What I am saying is that children will frequently mirror their parents. In her case, that does not auger well for their future.
I fully support  sport. I played it for most years of my life. Sadly, when I hear a parent say "Go play outside", what I often hear is "I don't want you inside".
And your kids only hope is that you were an absentee parent. 
The stupid shit that comes across your keyboard is astounding.
			 
			
			
				Speak for yourself, sausage fingers.
You're in one of your destabilised states at the moment. 
Time for another sequester?
			
			
			
				I must be feeling better because you guys are almost funny again hahaha
			
			
			
				Getting away for Christmas is the way to go for us. We don't have little kids or grandchildren.
			
			
			
				I'm feeling a little sluggish at work today..
It might take me until the end of the week to get back into a normal work and family routine again.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Fashionista"
It might take me until the end of the week to get back into a normal work and family routine again.
Those of us that are not snivel serpents do not have the luxury of waiting a week to do our jobs properly. :sneaky2: