Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 30, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 30, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
I particularly like how the findings of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists is disregarded, UNLESS they say something that sounds like it matches up with your preconceived viewpoint. In that case, everything else they say is garbage apart from that one thing. Either you defer to people who are experts in the field, or you don't. You can't pick and choose.
Kinda like how Christians say the bible isn't meant to be taken literally, unless it opposes something they don't like (gays, abortion, etc).
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Obvious Li on December 30, 2012, 11:10:28 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on December 30, 2012, 11:10:28 PM
Yeah it's great how cherry picking one sentence from a report can dramatically alter the expected conclusion. It's almost like someone has an agenda to push, hmmmm.Quote from: "BritishManwhore"
I particularly like how the findings of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists is disregarded, UNLESS they say something that sounds like it matches up with your preconceived viewpoint. In that case, everything else they say is garbage apart from that one thing. Either you defer to people who are experts in the field, or you don't. You can't pick and choose.
Kinda like how Christians say the bible isn't meant to be taken literally, unless it opposes something they don't like (gays, abortion, etc).
WTF are you babbling on about.......like every other issue......if you want to know who is lying ....follow the money............once climate scientists discovered there was an unlimited supply of grant funding if they sided with the man made global warming gang, then it was no holds barred....you want a report saying the earth was warming, the polar bears dying, the glaciers melting...no problem our university needs a new science wing....ok here's the money.......it became a spiral to the bottom of the bowl, each bogus report outdoing the other.....until they got caught....now they are switching to phrases like "climate change" "sustainability" and other bullshit words to try and deflect their lack of integrity....it's too late...the jig is up...we know
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 12:34:11 AM
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 12:34:11 AM
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 12:58:00 AM
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 12:58:00 AM
You didn't address my point tho. The report concludes that climate change is real. The sentence cherry picked in the article above doesn't change their conclusion. So why do you believe the wrong interpretation of that sentence, and disregard the rest of the report? There is logic to that, unless you're being deliberately misleading.
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Obvious Li on December 31, 2012, 06:15:41 AM
Post by: Obvious Li on December 31, 2012, 06:15:41 AM
Neither of you addressed my post, just went into a biased tirade haha. I don't have much of an opinion about climate change. I'm not a scientist and I'm guessing neither of you are. The idea that there is more money pushing climate change is probably the funniest thing I've read all day!Quote from: "BritishManwhore"
ya i guess you don't know a hell of a lot about the issue....and have little interest in learning...but really the funniest thing is people like you, who have an opinion on just about everything...with no knowledge to back it up......it is typical of your ilk and a pretty sad commentary on you personally .....if you want to discuss issues at least have the courtesy to pick up a newspaper or go online to educate yourself..........
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 11:45:48 AM
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Obvious Li on December 31, 2012, 11:52:40 AM
Post by: Obvious Li on December 31, 2012, 11:52:40 AM
Yeah I guess my problem is I believe scientists rather than conservative journalists. That's my bad I guess.Quote from: "BritishManwhore"
i don't know if it is your "bad" or not (whatever that is).... it means that when you read in the news or on the news that the climate mongers were caught lying and manipulating their data to alarm people /gvts. etc to raise funding from the hard core believers....and you still believe their data, what would you reasonably expect someone to think about your abilities to critically analyze an issue......i mean normally i would just call you a stupid cunt.....but this being the good forum i would merely encourage you to re-read the data available our there in the news universe....
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 12:12:48 PM
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 12:12:48 PM
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Obvious Li on December 31, 2012, 12:22:27 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on December 31, 2012, 12:22:27 PM
Again, because some journalist framed it that way doesn't mean I'm going to listen to them, or you. There is a scientific consensus. No amount of nitpicking and twisting words is going to change that. You can keep calling me names though if you think it makes your case somehow.Quote from: "BritishManwhore"
no your wrong...... i don't have a case to make.....the case is made....it is self evident........there can't be two people on the planet that think like Homero... so i presume you are posting under a new name....it is too much of a waste of my time dealing with one of you so austa la vista baby.....
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Romero on December 31, 2012, 01:44:08 PM
Post by: Romero on December 31, 2012, 01:44:08 PM
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Obvious Li on December 31, 2012, 04:42:55 PM
Post by: Obvious Li on December 31, 2012, 04:42:55 PM
The majority of people understand that global warming has been caused by man. One day you and Shen Li will too. Many deniers have finally accepted that the world is in fact warming.Quote from: "Romero"
ok homy i will toss out the easiest softball for you.......so please give it an honest response:
daily you will hear the "global warming caused by man" (GWCBM) proponents make the following comments.....
this is the warmest it has been since 1889
most hurricanes since 1877
most tornadoes since 1822
most ice cap melting since 1450
you get the point...............my question is this.....
by virtue of the fact that this has been the worst since means by definition that it was worse before that date......that is irrefutable......how is that possible if there were no people and no industry way back when.....pls explain
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 05:30:56 PM
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 05:30:56 PM
Yeah I guess my problem is I believe scientists rather than conservative journalists. That's my bad I guess.Quote from: "BritishManwhore"
You believe the scientists except for the thousands of scientists that know AGW is grossly exaggerated.
Western governments love sheeple like you.:lol:
Thousands of climate scientists think climate change is bullshit? Really? Where are these people, please point them out as presumably they have an organisation if they are that big
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 06:37:19 PM
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 06:37:19 PM
Maybe your problem is you treat all sources as equal, whether they are a conspiracy theory journalist with phd in biblical studies, or a climate scientist who has devoted his life to his studies?
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2012, 07:06:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on December 31, 2012, 07:06:02 PM
The op's article shows there are other causes of global temperature changes besides C02 produced by man. Also, this isn't the first time temperature has changed nor is it the most dramatic change. Rather than trying to stop climate change we should be learning to adapt to changing weather patterns. Trying to stop all fossil fuel usage globally is an exercise in futility.
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 07:23:29 PM
Post by: BritishManwhore on December 31, 2012, 07:23:29 PM
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Romero on December 31, 2012, 08:08:02 PM
Post by: Romero on December 31, 2012, 08:08:02 PM
ok homy i will toss out the easiest softball for you.......so please give it an honest response:Quote from: "Obvious Li"
daily you will hear the "global warming caused by man" (GWCBM) proponents make the following comments.....
this is the warmest it has been since 1889
most hurricanes since 1877
most tornadoes since 1822
most ice cap melting since 1450
you get the point...............my question is this.....
by virtue of the fact that this has been the worst since means by definition that it was worse before that date......that is irrefutable......how is that possible if there were no people and no industry way back when.....pls explain
There has always been natural climate change but current global warming is happening much more quickly, has no connection to anything natural and directly correlates with the rise in man-made greenhouse gases.
Nearly all climatologists, universities, national science academies and governments agree that global warming is caused by man.
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Romero on December 31, 2012, 08:21:38 PM
Post by: Romero on December 31, 2012, 08:21:38 PM
Jeesh dude, you really are ignorant of this subject aren't you? Well that is the kind of blind allegiance big government, big business, big labour and big NGO's are counting on.Quote from: "Shen Li"31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDshttp://www.petitionproject.org/
Romero and his big NGO friends don't want to acknowledge there are dissenting voices.
Already seen and debunked. A mere 0.5% have any background in climatology and atmospheric science. Most of the "scientists" are surgeons, architects, engineers etc. Many names have been found to be fake.
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Romero on December 31, 2012, 08:35:08 PM
Post by: Romero on December 31, 2012, 08:35:08 PM
Rather than trying to stop climate change we should be learning to adapt to changing weather patterns. Trying to stop all fossil fuel usage globally is an exercise in futility.Quote from: "seoulbro"
We will try to adapt but we should be trying to at least lessen climate change. We're already seeing some major costs from the storms, droughts, sea level rise... and this is only the beginning.
The world's permafrost is just starting to melt, resulting in the release of large amounts of methane which causes much more warming than CO2. Once it really gets going, we're going to be in real trouble.
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Romero on December 31, 2012, 08:44:07 PM
Post by: Romero on December 31, 2012, 08:44:07 PM
Since we began burning fossil fuels CO2 has gone up from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. It's off of the chart.
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: heinzy on January 03, 2013, 11:07:34 AM
Post by: heinzy on January 03, 2013, 11:07:34 AM
The majority of people understand that global warming has been caused by man.Quote from: "Romero"
Completely unfounded , invented assertion.
One day you and Shen Li will too. Many deniers have finally accepted that the world is in fact warming.Quote from: "Romero"
Muddlebrain can't even discern between different issues:
b) caused by man'
He just lumps two completely different issues into one , i.e. the one must by ideological necessity include the other.
And to suit his own leftist agenda he impudently asserts again , that clear thinking non-leftists deny both issues. This despite the fact hat
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: heinzy on January 03, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
Post by: heinzy on January 03, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
The majority of people understand that global warming has been caused by man.Quote from: "Romero"
I would hazard a guess, that most of the same understanding , majority of people have no clue about what 'anthropogenic' , 'red noise' and 'statistical fuzz' * means. Or climate models which are all computed with arbitrary , speak invented , data input ...to suit the outcome of desired results (which is of course very unscientific)
Most of the same understanding , majority of people also ignore the fact that there is a proven correlation between sunspot cycles and global warming. (Sunspots are not caused by man; except maybe in the phantasy world of hard core Leftists)
The same majority of understanding people also ignore the facts that
b) that global warming, according to the 'hockey stick graph', allegedly has really steeply shot up only since the 19th century ......that is , concomitantly with the industrial revolution
c) mankind reached the first billion around 1800
Ergo: to reverse today's
True leftist thinking , N'est-ce-pas ?
*
'anthropogenic'= related to man.
The phenomena of global warming has been recognised since the early 1930 due to glacial melting in Switzerland.
The U.N.O. -sponsored invention of 'anthropogenic' causality came 50 years later ....
'red noise' or 'noise' are mathematical expressions being used in computer generated climate models, they signal improbablities.
'fuzz' or 'hair' are expressions used to describe uneven , broken or hairy waveforms , also used in graphs in climate models.
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: heinzy on January 03, 2013, 11:17:24 AM
Post by: heinzy on January 03, 2013, 11:17:24 AM
.Quote from: "Romero"
Since we began burning fossil fuels CO2 has gone up from 280 ppm to 400 ppm. It's off of the chart.
See ???
See ???
He said the nonsense himself!
He forgot the time lag , but who cares ???
Title: Re: In Climate Change Debate The Truth Doesn't Matter
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2013, 03:44:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 09, 2013, 03:44:39 PM