Title: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: J0E on January 04, 2016, 10:29:49 PM
Post by: J0E on January 04, 2016, 10:29:49 PM
I often hear secularists, scientists who are adamantly opposed to teaching a religious version of how the earth was created and how man came to be in public schools. The excuse used is that it is indoctrination and violates the principle of separateness of Church and State.
but is it?
Why couldn't a secular (evolution) and religious version(s) of creationism be taught in public schools? What's wrong with it? Personally, I don't care if they do, and then the student can make up their own minds whether they choose to believe on teaching of the other.
Since no living today was around when the world was created or humans came into existence, no one truly knows how it or we came to be. Therefore, technically speaking, anyone who makes a claim about the origins of the earth and mankind could be right. This is a case where no one has proven to be right and in fact where ALL parties putting forth their accounts, religious or scientific, could be wrong. There's no video footage, DNA samples/tracking, nor even a truly accurate estimate of how old the earth really is. It is just an estimate.
Anyways, what do you folks think? Should we bring back teaching creationism or biblical or some other religious account of our origins into the classroom? Especially if it's put forth as a comparative method of study?
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: keeper on January 04, 2016, 10:30:25 PM
Post by: keeper on January 04, 2016, 10:30:25 PM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 10:33:27 PM
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 10:33:27 PM
...are you for or against it?Quote from: "J0E"
I often hear secularists, scientists who are adamantly opposed to teaching a religious version of how the earth was created and how man came to be in public schools. The excuse used is that it is indoctrination and violates the principle of separateness of Church and State.
but is it?
Why couldn't a secular (evolution) and religious version(s) of creationism be taught in public schools? What's wrong with it? Personally, I don't care if they do, and then the student can make up their own minds whether they choose to believe on teaching of the other.
Since no living today was around when the world was created or humans came into existence, no one truly knows how it or we came to be. Therefore, technically speaking, anyone who makes a claim about the origins of the earth and mankind could be right. This is a case where no one is right and in fact where ALL parties putting forth their accounts are wrong. There's no video footage, DNA samples/tracking, nor even a truly accurate estimate of how old the earth really is. It is just an estimate.
Anyways, what do you folks think? Should we bring back teaching creationism or biblical or some other religious account of our origins into the classroom? Especially if it's put forth as a comparative method of study?
I would be okay with teaching creationism if it was learned as a part of language arts and fell under FICTION.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 10:34:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 10:34:39 PM
...are you for or against it?Quote from: "J0E"
I often hear secularists, scientists who are adamantly opposed to teaching a religious version of how the earth was created and how man came to be in public schools. The excuse used is that it is indoctrination and violates the principle of separateness of Church and State.
but is it?
Why couldn't a secular (evolution) and religious version(s) of creationism be taught in public schools? What's wrong with it? Personally, I don't care if they do, and then the student can make up their own minds whether they choose to believe on teaching of the other.
Since no living today was around when the world was created or humans came into existence, no one truly knows how it or we came to be. Therefore, technically speaking, anyone who makes a claim about the origins of the earth and mankind could be right. This is a case where no one is right and in fact where ALL parties putting forth their accounts are wrong. There's no video footage, DNA samples/tracking, nor even a truly accurate estimate of how old the earth really is. It is just an estimate.
Anyways, what do you folks think? Should we bring back teaching creationism or biblical or some other religious account of our origins into the classroom? Especially if it's put forth as a comparative method of study?
I don't care JOE because I would never send my children to public schools.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 10:37:07 PM
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 10:37:07 PM
Where are they going to do post secondary at though?
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 10:39:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 10:39:50 PM
Haha good answer Fash!Quote from: "RW"
Where are they going to do post secondary at though?
Whatever profession they choose at any institution of higher learning they choose.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: J0E on January 04, 2016, 10:44:23 PM
Post by: J0E on January 04, 2016, 10:44:23 PM
...are you for or against it?Quote from: "J0E"
I often hear secularists, scientists who are adamantly opposed to teaching a religious version of how the earth was created and how man came to be in public schools. The excuse used is that it is indoctrination and violates the principle of separateness of Church and State.
but is it?
Why couldn't a secular (evolution) and religious version(s) of creationism be taught in public schools? What's wrong with it? Personally, I don't care if they do, and then the student can make up their own minds whether they choose to believe on teaching of the other.
Since no living today was around when the world was created or humans came into existence, no one truly knows how it or we came to be. Therefore, technically speaking, anyone who makes a claim about the origins of the earth and mankind could be right. This is a case where no one is right and in fact where ALL parties putting forth their accounts are wrong. There's no video footage, DNA samples/tracking, nor even a truly accurate estimate of how old the earth really is. It is just an estimate.
Anyways, what do you folks think? Should we bring back teaching creationism or biblical or some other religious account of our origins into the classroom? Especially if it's put forth as a comparative method of study?
I would be okay with teaching creationism if it was learned as a part of language arts and fell under FICTION.
...I support teaching creationism and evolution on an equal plane. That in my mind, is true democracy.
And the other other thing, these so called scientists should stop lying to us that evolutionary theory is science. That's a load of bull. Science, as I understand it, is a way to recreate in lab settings, an experiment which can be reproduced over and over and over again without fail inside a lab or outside it.
For example: How long does it take for a drop of water with a volume of 1 gram take to evaporate at 20 degrees celsius? The results of this experiment can be measured and the conditions set up and repeated to within infintisimal accuracy. Can the conditions which explain evolution or the creation of the earth? No. And the other problem is that these evolutionary scientists are like a leopard which keeps on changing its spots. Their theories and explanations keep changing and what was said 20/30 years ago gets disregarded, and a new new new theory comes up which 'debunks' the old one and replaces it as the defacto standard.
I'm not saying that the creationists are right. What I'm saying, is that no one as of yet, has a firm grasp/grip regarding the creation of the earth nor the origins of man. It is a mystery and remains one and we will probably never no the answer. Therefore, anyone could be right, and everyone has the right to teach their own account and be heard in a publicly funded school.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 10:53:15 PM
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 10:53:15 PM
Haha good answer Fash!Quote from: "RW"
Where are they going to do post secondary at though?
Whatever profession they choose at any institution of higher learning they choose.
That will probably mean a public school *gasp*
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 10:55:53 PM
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 10:55:53 PM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 10:57:58 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 10:57:58 PM
Haha good answer Fash!Quote from: "RW"
Where are they going to do post secondary at though?
Whatever profession they choose at any institution of higher learning they choose.
That will probably mean a public school *gasp*
They probably will..
I got my administrative assistant diploma from a secular school. Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 11:01:54 PM
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 11:01:54 PM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 11:10:27 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 11:10:27 PM
I have no doubt you're children will do just fine in secular school...unlike us Catholics HahaQuote from: "RW"
I enjoyed my time at a vocational college.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 11:31:58 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2016, 11:31:58 PM
Me too :)Quote from: "RW"
I thought you went to a university?
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 11:35:43 PM
Post by: RW on January 04, 2016, 11:35:43 PM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 12:05:35 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 12:05:35 AM
I did a "year" at a college first.Quote from: "RW"
I see, I didn't know that.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Renee on January 05, 2016, 12:06:28 AM
Post by: Renee on January 05, 2016, 12:06:28 AM
I don't understand "teaching" creationism. Read them a couple chapters of Genesis and call it a day. The Bible is apparently infallible. The story is simple enough for a 3 year old to understand. What's there to teach/discuss?Quote from: "RW"
There is more to it than that. Apparently the fools that believe the creationist myth believe that man and dinosaurs shared the same time period in history. It's like they think the Flintstones is a documentary.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 12:26:27 AM
I don't understand "teaching" creationism. Read them a couple chapters of Genesis and call it a day. The Bible is apparently infallible. The story is simple enough for a 3 year old to understand. What's there to teach/discuss?Quote from: "RW"
There is more to it than that. Apparently the fools that believe the creationist myth believe that man and dinosaurs shared the same time period in history. It's like they think the Flintstones is a documentary.:oeudC:
How do bible believers explain dinosaurs?
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Renee on January 05, 2016, 12:40:54 AM
Post by: Renee on January 05, 2016, 12:40:54 AM
I don't understand "teaching" creationism. Read them a couple chapters of Genesis and call it a day. The Bible is apparently infallible. The story is simple enough for a 3 year old to understand. What's there to teach/discuss?Quote from: "RW"
There is more to it than that. Apparently the fools that believe the creationist myth believe that man and dinosaurs shared the same time period in history. It's like they think the Flintstones is a documentary.:oeudC:
How do bible believers explain dinosaurs?
I have no clue, nor do I want to know the nutty shit they would use to explain the unexplainable.
All I know is that there are so called creationist museums that depict man living side by side with all sorts of creatures that went extinct before the emergence of humans. Apparently they believe that the historical timeline used by the established scientific community is wrong.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 12:44:27 AM
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 12:44:27 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 01:00:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 01:00:02 AM
In Psalm 74:13 it says, "It was you who split open the sea by your power; you broke the heads of the monster in the waters." Isaiah 43:20 reads, "The beast of the field shall honor me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen" and he also writes about a monster (51:9)
The word dinosaur was not used until 1841.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 01:14:03 AM
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 01:14:03 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 01:14:42 AM
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 01:14:42 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: cc on January 05, 2016, 01:22:34 AM
Post by: cc on January 05, 2016, 01:22:34 AM
I don't believe dinosaurs are mentioned specifically in the bible. On one of the days God created all the beasts so I assume they would fall in there along with Mel, Odinson and Dinky Diana :DQuote from: "RW"
LOLOLOL
Apart from above mentioned, we just can't know what we can't know
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 01:38:06 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 01:38:06 AM
Generic terms to be all encompassing - like I said :)Quote from: "RW"
Well as I said, there was no word for dinosaur at the time.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 02:58:18 AM
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 02:58:18 AM
Generic terms to be all encompassing - like I said :)Quote from: "RW"
Well as I said, there was no word for dinosaur at the time.
Well, if God created all these animals and God influenced the writing of the gospel, wouldn't he have given the writer the word?
Makes you wonder, don't it?
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 03:25:13 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 03:25:13 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 03:27:59 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 03:27:59 AM
He eats grass like an ox.
16 See now, his strength is in his hips,
And his power is in his stomach muscles.
17 He moves his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
18 His bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.
19 He is the first of the ways of God;
Only He who made him can bring near His sword.
20 Surely the mountains yield food for him,
And all the beasts of the field play there.
21 He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.
22 The lotus trees cover him with their shade;
The willows by the brook surround him.
23 Indeed the river may rage,
Yet he is not disturbed;
He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth,
24 Though he takes it in his eyes,
Or one pierces his nose with a snare. - Job 40
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 03:57:32 AM
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 03:57:32 AM
Why do you ladies have to complicate things?
Jesus!
Oh wait...
Hahaha
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 03:59:48 AM
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 03:59:48 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Renee on January 05, 2016, 07:22:58 AM
Post by: Renee on January 05, 2016, 07:22:58 AM
I know this to be patently false because Noah didn't like dinosaurs. He purposely made the door to get into the ark too small for the dinosaurs to get in and they drowned.
Seriously though, the whole idea of dinosaurs and man coexisting is ludicrous. The two separate species live and lived MILLIONS of years apart from each other. The geological timeline of where dinosaur fossils have been discovered and the first evidence of man's existence aren't even remotely close.
And don't give me this creationist crap about carbon 14 dating being useless for dating dinosaur bones. Carbon 14 dating ISN'T even used to date specimens like dinosaur bones. Dinosaur bones are dated by looking at the isotope half-life of the surrounding and neighboring igneous rock which takes into account the half-life of elements like uranium 238 or 235 or potassium 40 which have half-lives of millions of years.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 09:07:59 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 09:07:59 AM
Dinosaurs were created too.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: J0E on January 05, 2016, 04:04:48 PM
Post by: J0E on January 05, 2016, 04:04:48 PM
However, the Powers That Be, simply won't let that be.
They don't want a competing mindset offering an alternative POV which could disrupt their 'forced unity'
We're as brainwashed to swallow their docrtine as the populus was to accept the docrtines of Christianity 200 years ago.
We need a balance, so teach both.
The main problem I have with the so-called scientific theory of evolution, is that it isn't terribly scientific.
They haven't proved with 100% accuracy that their POV is perfect or that it's even true.
Even if it's 80%, that's still not good enough.
To be credibly 'scientific' it has be true 100%.
It's proponents are nowhere close to that.
So what we've been forced to learn may not be true, or can change in an instant with some other new discovery.
We've been brainwashed to believe that we must accept these 'scientific theories'
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 04:29:46 PM
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 04:29:46 PM
Christians see the existence of dinosaurs as no barrier to their trust in the Bible...science and the Bible are not in conflict..Quote from: "Fashionista"
Dinosaurs were created too.
The dino debate isn't one that debunks God for me.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 04:33:08 PM
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 04:33:08 PM
I have no trouble with Creationism being taught in schools.Quote from: "J0E"
However, the Powers That Be, simply won't let that be.
They don't want a competing mindset offering an alternative POV which could disrupt their 'forced unity'
We're as brainwashed to swallow their docrtine as the populus was to accept the docrtines of Christianity 200 years ago.
We need a balance, so teach both.
The main problem I have with the so-called scientific theory of evolution, is that it isn't terribly scientific.
They haven't proved with 100% accuracy that their POV is perfect or that it's even true.
Even if it's 80%, that's still not good enough.
To be credibly 'scientific' it has be true 100%.
It's proponents are nowhere close to that.
So what we've been forced to learn may not be true, or can change in an instant with some other new discovery.
We've been brainwashed to believe that we must accept these 'scientific theories'
Actually Joe, to be credibly "scientific", things do NOT have to be 100% true.
The thing with science is that it's job is to prove itself wrong, which it is constantly doing. A theory is something that is accepted until it can be proven otherwise. That is not to say a theory isn't wildly tested because they are.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 05:25:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 05:25:22 PM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Bricktop on January 05, 2016, 06:00:14 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 05, 2016, 06:00:14 PM
...I support teaching creationism and evolution on an equal plane. That in my mind, is true democracy.
It, like religion, has nothing to do with democracy. It is proselytising, and nothing less. Thus it should not be taught.
However, should anyone provide ONE clear, verifiable and creditable shred of evidence that supports creationism, I'd be happy to revise my view.
But that would mean they would have to provide evidence of the existence of some higher being, or god. That will never happen.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 10:32:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2016, 10:32:02 PM
Christians see the existence of dinosaurs as no barrier to their trust in the Bible...science and the Bible are not in conflict..Quote from: "Fashionista"
Dinosaurs were created too.
The dino debate isn't one that debunks God for me.
That's fine, Christians don't expect secular people to have scripture speak to their hearts.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 11:25:36 PM
Post by: RW on January 05, 2016, 11:25:36 PM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: J0E on January 06, 2016, 01:40:38 AM
Post by: J0E on January 06, 2016, 01:40:38 AM
I have no trouble with Creationism being taught in schools.Quote from: "J0E"
However, the Powers That Be, simply won't let that be.
They don't want a competing mindset offering an alternative POV which could disrupt their 'forced unity'
We're as brainwashed to swallow their docrtine as the populus was to accept the docrtines of Christianity 200 years ago.
We need a balance, so teach both.
The main problem I have with the so-called scientific theory of evolution, is that it isn't terribly scientific.
They haven't proved with 100% accuracy that their POV is perfect or that it's even true.
Even if it's 80%, that's still not good enough.
To be credibly 'scientific' it has be true 100%.
It's proponents are nowhere close to that.
So what we've been forced to learn may not be true, or can change in an instant with some other new discovery.
We've been brainwashed to believe that we must accept these 'scientific theories'
Actually Joe, to be credibly "scientific", things do NOT have to be 100% true.
The thing with science is that it's job is to prove itself wrong, which it is constantly doing. A theory is something that is accepted until it can be proven otherwise. That is not to say a theory isn't wildly tested because they are.
I think what you're referring to 'Real, is the Scientific Method. But the official theories such as the 'Big Bang' haven't been proven to be scientifically accurate. They don't even conform to the Scientific Method. They're just guesswork. Like religious clerics who ask us to believe in creationism, scientists ask us to accept their account. "Trust us. Believe in us. It's true!" I don't see how these two groups are any different. Neither has presented any hard, irrefutable evidence to support their claims. They're both based on faith. So the fact is, neither can claim to be more right than the other since there were no eyewitness accounts or recorded evidence to verify them. Therefore, we should accept that both can be taught alongside one another in schools, without suppressing nor muzzling the other. Now that would be a truly democratic solution.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 01:56:19 AM
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 01:56:19 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Renee on January 06, 2016, 09:31:28 AM
Post by: Renee on January 06, 2016, 09:31:28 AM
Now compare that to the creationist theory of evolution (Flintstones Theory).....Show me one credible shred of provable evidence that man coexisted with dinosaurs or that dinosaurs were loaded onto the ark OR provable conclusive evidence of the freaking ark for that matter. Then and only then can you start teaching creationist theories in public schools with my blessing.
Under no circumstance will I agree with using tax dollars to teach children fairy-tales passed off as science. What is this, the fucking dark ages? Creationist theory belongs with other wonky subjects like crypto-zoology, the possibility of ancient astronauts, the "Theory of Atlantis" and other oddball, fringe element, subjects.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 09:39:46 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 09:39:46 AM
I can't explain it of course and I don't have any interest in it either..
I am ok with public schools teaching anything about anything because we would never take our children out of their school and put them in public schools where students perform poorly compared to where they are now..
Oh and the big bang theory is taught alongside intelligent design in my children's schools.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 11:42:46 AM
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 11:42:46 AM
What Joe is failing to admit to is that although scientific theory like the "Big Bang" is not yet entirely proven, the supporting theories and analysis are indeed provable. Scientific phenomenon such as the known galaxies moving away from each other can be observed and measured. Cosmic background radiation resulting from a rapid expansion can be observed and measured. Quasar drop-off during large red shifts can be measured and proven. The number of active quasar and galaxies collisions over time can be measured and accounted for. Spectra analysis of older stars can measure the abundance of primordial gas and elements in their composition. All these naturally occurring phenomena point to the concept of a hot universe and a sudden rapid expansion (Big Bang). In fact some of the phenomenon we have observed can ONLY be explain by a sudden and rapid expansion of cosmic material.Quote from: "Renee"http://www.astronomynotes.com/cosmolgy/s7.htm http://www.astronomynotes.com/cosmolgy/AncientUniverseWeb.pdf
Now compare that to the creationist theory of evolution (Flintstones Theory).....Show me one credible shred of provable evidence that man coexisted with dinosaurs or that dinosaurs were loaded onto the ark OR provable conclusive evidence of the freaking ark for that matter. Then and only then can you start teaching creationist theories in public schools with my blessing.
Under no circumstance will I agree with using tax dollars to teach children fairy-tales passed off as science. What is this, the fucking dark ages? Creationist theory belongs with other wonky subjects like crypto-zoology, the possibility of ancient astronauts, the "Theory of Atlantis" and other oddball, fringe element, subjects.
Like I said, teach it as fiction.
I don't believe in ignoring what such a large portion of the population believes in. I'm okay with saying, "this is what science believes but there's this large group over here that believes this is how it happened."
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 11:43:51 AM
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 11:43:51 AM
There are people with scientific backgrounds that believe in intelligent design..Quote from: "Fashionista"
I can't explain it of course and I don't have any interest in it either..
I am ok with public schools teaching anything about anything because we would never take our children out of their school and put them in public schools where students perform poorly compared to where they are now..
Oh and the big bang theory is taught alongside intelligent design in my children's schools.
How do you know students perform poorly compared to where they are?
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Renee on January 06, 2016, 12:03:31 PM
Post by: Renee on January 06, 2016, 12:03:31 PM
What Joe is failing to admit to is that although scientific theory like the "Big Bang" is not yet entirely proven, the supporting theories and analysis are indeed provable. Scientific phenomenon such as the known galaxies moving away from each other can be observed and measured. Cosmic background radiation resulting from a rapid expansion can be observed and measured. Quasar drop-off during large red shifts can be measured and proven. The number of active quasar and galaxies collisions over time can be measured and accounted for. Spectra analysis of older stars can measure the abundance of primordial gas and elements in their composition. All these naturally occurring phenomena point to the concept of a hot universe and a sudden rapid expansion (Big Bang). In fact some of the phenomenon we have observed can ONLY be explain by a sudden and rapid expansion of cosmic material.Quote from: "Renee"http://www.astronomynotes.com/cosmolgy/s7.htm http://www.astronomynotes.com/cosmolgy/AncientUniverseWeb.pdf
Now compare that to the creationist theory of evolution (Flintstones Theory).....Show me one credible shred of provable evidence that man coexisted with dinosaurs or that dinosaurs were loaded onto the ark OR provable conclusive evidence of the freaking ark for that matter. Then and only then can you start teaching creationist theories in public schools with my blessing.
Under no circumstance will I agree with using tax dollars to teach children fairy-tales passed off as science. What is this, the fucking dark ages? Creationist theory belongs with other wonky subjects like crypto-zoology, the possibility of ancient astronauts, the "Theory of Atlantis" and other oddball, fringe element, subjects.
Like I said, teach it as fiction.
I don't believe in ignoring what such a large portion of the population believes in. I'm okay with saying, "this is what science believes but there's this large group over here that believes this is how it happened."
That's fine, I guess. Maybe set it up as an elective course along with field trips to go search for Bigfoot.
But it shouldn't be taught as a science especially on the taxpayers dime.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 01:46:07 PM
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 01:46:07 PM
What Joe is failing to admit to is that although scientific theory like the "Big Bang" is not yet entirely proven, the supporting theories and analysis are indeed provable. Scientific phenomenon such as the known galaxies moving away from each other can be observed and measured. Cosmic background radiation resulting from a rapid expansion can be observed and measured. Quasar drop-off during large red shifts can be measured and proven. The number of active quasar and galaxies collisions over time can be measured and accounted for. Spectra analysis of older stars can measure the abundance of primordial gas and elements in their composition. All these naturally occurring phenomena point to the concept of a hot universe and a sudden rapid expansion (Big Bang). In fact some of the phenomenon we have observed can ONLY be explain by a sudden and rapid expansion of cosmic material.Quote from: "Renee"http://www.astronomynotes.com/cosmolgy/s7.htm http://www.astronomynotes.com/cosmolgy/AncientUniverseWeb.pdf
Now compare that to the creationist theory of evolution (Flintstones Theory).....Show me one credible shred of provable evidence that man coexisted with dinosaurs or that dinosaurs were loaded onto the ark OR provable conclusive evidence of the freaking ark for that matter. Then and only then can you start teaching creationist theories in public schools with my blessing.
Under no circumstance will I agree with using tax dollars to teach children fairy-tales passed off as science. What is this, the fucking dark ages? Creationist theory belongs with other wonky subjects like crypto-zoology, the possibility of ancient astronauts, the "Theory of Atlantis" and other oddball, fringe element, subjects.
Like I said, teach it as fiction.
I don't believe in ignoring what such a large portion of the population believes in. I'm okay with saying, "this is what science believes but there's this large group over here that believes this is how it happened."
That's fine, I guess. Maybe set it up as an elective course along with field trips to go search for Bigfoot.:001_rolleyes:
But it shouldn't be taught as a science especially on the taxpayers dime.
We talked to our kids about creationism as something a whole whack of people in the world believe as another option. No harm, no foul. I don't want them to be ignorant of things that do exist even if only in the minds of millions and millions of people.
Same as big foot. It's a thing if only in imaginations.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 03:37:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 03:37:49 PM
There are people with scientific backgrounds that believe in intelligent design..Quote from: "Fashionista"
I can't explain it of course and I don't have any interest in it either..
I am ok with public schools teaching anything about anything because we would never take our children out of their school and put them in public schools where students perform poorly compared to where they are now..
Oh and the big bang theory is taught alongside intelligent design in my children's schools.
How do you know students perform poorly compared to where they are?
Parents are given reports on how school our schools which is comprised of a primary, junior and senior high compares academically, athletically and social problems like drop outs to the city and the province..
We're proud of the results, but the staff still strives to do even better.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 04:18:53 PM
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 04:18:53 PM
There are people with scientific backgrounds that believe in intelligent design..Quote from: "Fashionista"
I can't explain it of course and I don't have any interest in it either..
I am ok with public schools teaching anything about anything because we would never take our children out of their school and put them in public schools where students perform poorly compared to where they are now..
Oh and the big bang theory is taught alongside intelligent design in my children's schools.
How do you know students perform poorly compared to where they are?
Parents are given reports on how school our schools which is comprised of a primary, junior and senior high compares academically, athletically and social problems like drop outs to the city and the province..
We're proud of the results, but the staff still strives to do even better.
You put kids in small class sizes with affluent parents and they are bound to do better than kids with a range of social/economic backgrounds. Schools like yours also typically do not have many kids with severe learning disabilities because public schools are better equipped and funded to do so.
You're really comparing an apple to an orange.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2016, 06:35:56 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2016, 06:35:56 PM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 06:40:14 PM
Post by: RW on January 06, 2016, 06:40:14 PM
ICK!
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 07:01:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 07:01:20 PM
Parents are given reports on how school our schools which is comprised of a primary, junior and senior high compares academically, athletically and social problems like drop outs to the city and the province..
We're proud of the results, but the staff still strives to do even better.
I don't doubt for one fucking second grades are much better at your kids' school than any inner-city public school. However, as fine as you think xtian education is, it has as much to do with the kids themselves as it does with curriculum. How many students at your kids' school come from single parent families? How many have substance abuse issues at home? How many students are from unemployed/uneducated/poor families? Not many I would think if they can afford the tuition fees.
I'm a supporter of private schooling, but let's not kid ourselves here. The success of private schooling has as much to do with the family backgrounds of students as it does with the quality of education. I know, I attended a poverty-stricken, inner city public school when we first came to Canada.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2016, 07:24:04 PM
I know, I attended a poverty-stricken, inner city public school when we first came to Canada.Quote from: "Shen Li"
And it shows.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2016, 07:24:33 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 06, 2016, 07:24:33 PM
Why would anyone want to listen to an atheist talk?Quote from: "RW"
ICK!
Why would anyone want to listen to a Xtian?
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 07:27:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 07:27:30 PM
I know, I attended a poverty-stricken, inner city public school when we first came to Canada.Quote from: "Shen Li"
And it shows.
:yahoo:
An shut up you.
Anyway, I really couldn't be bothered wasting my breath talking about religion with a devout believer. They are not going to change and neither am I. As long as they don't impose their religion on me as Islam does than they can believe in thousands of people swallowed by whales for all I care.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 10:34:43 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 10:34:43 PM
There are people with scientific backgrounds that believe in intelligent design..Quote from: "Fashionista"
I can't explain it of course and I don't have any interest in it either..
I am ok with public schools teaching anything about anything because we would never take our children out of their school and put them in public schools where students perform poorly compared to where they are now..
Oh and the big bang theory is taught alongside intelligent design in my children's schools.
How do you know students perform poorly compared to where they are?
Parents are given reports on how school our schools which is comprised of a primary, junior and senior high compares academically, athletically and social problems like drop outs to the city and the province..
We're proud of the results, but the staff still strives to do even better.
You put kids in small class sizes with affluent parents and they are bound to do better than kids with a range of social/economic backgrounds. Schools like yours also typically do not have many kids with severe learning disabilities because public schools are better equipped and funded to do so.
You're really comparing an apple to an orange.
Your assumption would be wrong RW..
My children's sister school has an excellent program for children with learning disabilities.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 12:40:53 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 12:40:53 AM
There are people with scientific backgrounds that believe in intelligent design..Quote from: "Fashionista"
I can't explain it of course and I don't have any interest in it either..
I am ok with public schools teaching anything about anything because we would never take our children out of their school and put them in public schools where students perform poorly compared to where they are now..
Oh and the big bang theory is taught alongside intelligent design in my children's schools.
How do you know students perform poorly compared to where they are?
Parents are given reports on how school our schools which is comprised of a primary, junior and senior high compares academically, athletically and social problems like drop outs to the city and the province..
We're proud of the results, but the staff still strives to do even better.
You put kids in small class sizes with affluent parents and they are bound to do better than kids with a range of social/economic backgrounds. Schools like yours also typically do not have many kids with severe learning disabilities because public schools are better equipped and funded to do so.
You're really comparing an apple to an orange.
Your assumption would be wrong RW..
My children's sister school has an excellent program for children with learning disabilities.
ac_smile
I'm glad to see they care as much about the souls of the developmentally challenged as they do about wealthy athletes.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 01:04:30 AM
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 01:04:30 AM
There are people with scientific backgrounds that believe in intelligent design..Quote from: "Fashionista"
I can't explain it of course and I don't have any interest in it either..
I am ok with public schools teaching anything about anything because we would never take our children out of their school and put them in public schools where students perform poorly compared to where they are now..
Oh and the big bang theory is taught alongside intelligent design in my children's schools.
How do you know students perform poorly compared to where they are?
Parents are given reports on how school our schools which is comprised of a primary, junior and senior high compares academically, athletically and social problems like drop outs to the city and the province..
We're proud of the results, but the staff still strives to do even better.
You put kids in small class sizes with affluent parents and they are bound to do better than kids with a range of social/economic backgrounds. Schools like yours also typically do not have many kids with severe learning disabilities because public schools are better equipped and funded to do so.
You're really comparing an apple to an orange.
Your assumption would be wrong RW..
My children's sister school has an excellent program for children with learning disabilities.
ac_smile
Interesting. I thought it was cost prohibitive. Well it is here but I don't think we get the same tax dollar allocations as you do in AB for Catholic schools.
Thanks for the correction :)
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 01:07:52 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 01:07:52 AM
There are people with scientific backgrounds that believe in intelligent design..Quote from: "Fashionista"
I can't explain it of course and I don't have any interest in it either..
I am ok with public schools teaching anything about anything because we would never take our children out of their school and put them in public schools where students perform poorly compared to where they are now..
Oh and the big bang theory is taught alongside intelligent design in my children's schools.
How do you know students perform poorly compared to where they are?
Parents are given reports on how school our schools which is comprised of a primary, junior and senior high compares academically, athletically and social problems like drop outs to the city and the province..
We're proud of the results, but the staff still strives to do even better.
You put kids in small class sizes with affluent parents and they are bound to do better than kids with a range of social/economic backgrounds. Schools like yours also typically do not have many kids with severe learning disabilities because public schools are better equipped and funded to do so.
You're really comparing an apple to an orange.
Your assumption would be wrong RW..
My children's sister school has an excellent program for children with learning disabilities.
ac_smile
Interesting. I thought it was cost prohibitive. Well it is here but I don't think we get the same tax dollar allocations as you do in AB for Catholic schools.
Thanks for the correction :)
Christian education has evolved and grown..
We can match just about any program offered by the public system when the demand is high enough.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 01:20:45 AM
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 01:20:45 AM
There are people with scientific backgrounds that believe in intelligent design..Quote from: "Fashionista"
I can't explain it of course and I don't have any interest in it either..
I am ok with public schools teaching anything about anything because we would never take our children out of their school and put them in public schools where students perform poorly compared to where they are now..
Oh and the big bang theory is taught alongside intelligent design in my children's schools.
How do you know students perform poorly compared to where they are?
Parents are given reports on how school our schools which is comprised of a primary, junior and senior high compares academically, athletically and social problems like drop outs to the city and the province..
We're proud of the results, but the staff still strives to do even better.
You put kids in small class sizes with affluent parents and they are bound to do better than kids with a range of social/economic backgrounds. Schools like yours also typically do not have many kids with severe learning disabilities because public schools are better equipped and funded to do so.
You're really comparing an apple to an orange.
Your assumption would be wrong RW..
My children's sister school has an excellent program for children with learning disabilities.
ac_smile
Interesting. I thought it was cost prohibitive. Well it is here but I don't think we get the same tax dollar allocations as you do in AB for Catholic schools.
Thanks for the correction :)
Christian education has evolved and grown..
We can match just about any program offered by the public system when the demand is high enough.
I live in...well you know where I live. It's too small to offer much of anything. We're lucky to have a Catholic school nevermind anything else.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 01:29:50 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 01:29:50 AM
There are people with scientific backgrounds that believe in intelligent design..Quote from: "Fashionista"
I can't explain it of course and I don't have any interest in it either..
I am ok with public schools teaching anything about anything because we would never take our children out of their school and put them in public schools where students perform poorly compared to where they are now..
Oh and the big bang theory is taught alongside intelligent design in my children's schools.
How do you know students perform poorly compared to where they are?
Parents are given reports on how school our schools which is comprised of a primary, junior and senior high compares academically, athletically and social problems like drop outs to the city and the province..
We're proud of the results, but the staff still strives to do even better.
You put kids in small class sizes with affluent parents and they are bound to do better than kids with a range of social/economic backgrounds. Schools like yours also typically do not have many kids with severe learning disabilities because public schools are better equipped and funded to do so.
You're really comparing an apple to an orange.
Your assumption would be wrong RW..
My children's sister school has an excellent program for children with learning disabilities.
ac_smile
Interesting. I thought it was cost prohibitive. Well it is here but I don't think we get the same tax dollar allocations as you do in AB for Catholic schools.
Thanks for the correction :)
Christian education has evolved and grown..
We can match just about any program offered by the public system when the demand is high enough.
I live in...well you know where I live. It's too small to offer much of anything. We're lucky to have a Catholic school nevermind anything else.
That's like when I lived in Kazakhstan, our only option would have been to send my daughter to a secular international school..
She was too young at the time though and we only stayed one year.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 01:32:44 AM
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 01:32:44 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: J0E on January 07, 2016, 01:34:45 AM
Post by: J0E on January 07, 2016, 01:34:45 AM
What Joe is failing to admit to is that although scientific theory like the "Big Bang" is not yet entirely proven, the supporting theories and analysis are indeed provable. Scientific phenomenon such as the known galaxies moving away from each other can be observed and measured. Cosmic background radiation resulting from a rapid expansion can be observed and measured. Quasar drop-off during large red shifts can be measured and proven. The number of active quasar and galaxies collisions over time can be measured and accounted for. Spectra analysis of older stars can measure the abundance of primordial gas and elements in their composition. All these naturally occurring phenomena point to the concept of a hot universe and a sudden rapid expansion (Big Bang). In fact some of the phenomenon we have observed can ONLY be explain by a sudden and rapid expansion of cosmic material.Quote from: "Renee"http://www.astronomynotes.com/cosmolgy/s7.htm http://www.astronomynotes.com/cosmolgy/AncientUniverseWeb.pdf
...but that still doesn't prove that the Big Bang Theory is correct. I might be inclined to believe it if a new technology allowed us to peer billions of light years away in a distant galaxy and photograph the sequence of events AS THEY HAPPENED. But there's no such proof or technology around yet which allows us to verify that theory the way it has been stated. All we have thus far is fragmentary rather than conclusive evidence to support claims of experts.
Likewise, there's no hard evidence to suggest that Lucy or some other primate was man's direct ancestor. For years we were taught that Lucy was the missing link, and then someone else has come along and said NO, it isn't Lucy, it's some other hominid species. I mean, c'mon, which one is it, folks!? It's similiar to the debunking of Piltdown man which was the jaw of some animal joined with another. There's no consistency here. And it doesn't even stand up to what we consider as the rigors of hard science.
Now compare that to the creationist theory of evolution (Flintstones Theory).....Show me one credible shred of provable evidence that man coexisted with dinosaurs or that dinosaurs were loaded onto the ark OR provable conclusive evidence of the freaking ark for that matter. Then and only then can you start teaching creationist theories in public schools with my blessing.Quote from: "Renee"
Under no circumstance will I agree with using tax dollars to teach children fairy-tales passed off as science. What is this, the fucking dark ages? Creationist theory belongs with other wonky subjects like crypto-zoology, the possibility of ancient astronauts, the "Theory of Atlantis" and other oddball, fringe element, subjects.
Noah's Ark may be an exaggeration, but historically it does correlate with a period of natural history in which the glaciers melted and sent the sea levels rising, which may have caused the formation of the Mediteranean Sea, and the conversion of the Black Sea from a small marshy fresh water lake into a much larger one comprised of sea water.
There are also many similar flooding legends around the world, which historians now believe correlate with this period of glacial melting. So it's not as far fetched for an ark to end up on the top of a hill or mountain as many might scoff it. As the sea levels went down again, it's quite possible that Noah's Ark could have ended up at much higher elevation than the subsided sea level waters.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 02:49:06 AM
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 02:49:06 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 02:55:58 AM
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 02:55:58 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 03:00:46 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 03:00:46 AM
Where'd the quatum vacuum come from and...there was no talking snake. ;)I found neither theory to be satisfactory so I had to come up with my own. I call it quantum fractal energy dissipation. In a nutshell, the universe is made of energy that's trying to dissipate, and it cycles through long periods of stability followed by a sudden brief period where gravity lets go and everything flies apart. Then it stabilizes again but at a lower energy level. That's where the three generations of particles come from. They're from previous quantum states when the energy was more concentrated. And it's been going onQuote from: "easter bunny"forever- long enough for snakes to learn how to talk. =P
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 03:01:44 AM
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 03:01:44 AM
hahaha
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 03:03:24 AM
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 03:03:24 AM
NERD!Quote from: "RW"
It's finally cool to be a nerd. I've waited so long..
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 03:06:52 AM
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 03:06:52 AM
Too far man.
hahahhaa
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 03:07:59 AM
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 03:07:59 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 03:10:23 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 03:10:23 AM
offs. We have the SAME evidence. It is interpreted differently depending on the world view. Science is NOT a world view, and is limited. It is an investigation of the natural world. And guess what? Evolution is totally irrational. We have never witnessed abiogenisus OR macro evolution, and the micro evolution used to be known as adaptation. In fact, the only thing we have seen evolve is the theory of evolution itself and its need to tamper with the 2ND law of thermodynamics in order to even make it somewhat possible. Maybe do some deep research on DNA and we can revisit this conversation. The day you see a tornado rip through a garbage dump and produce a 747....I'm sticking with ID.
...I support teaching creationism and evolution on an equal plane. That in my mind, is true democracy.
It, like religion, has nothing to do with democracy. It is proselytising, and nothing less. Thus it should not be taught.
However, should anyone provide ONE clear, verifiable and creditable shred of evidence that supports creationism, I'd be happy to revise my view.
But that would mean they would have to provide evidence of the existence of some higher being, or god. That will never happen.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 03:15:18 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 03:15:18 AM
Tell that to Eve, sister!Quote from: "RW"
hahaha
She knew.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 03:21:22 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 03:21:22 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2016, 03:50:38 AM
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2016, 03:50:38 AM
http://www.silverweapon.com/top5.html Crowley, give this link a good read.
I doubt I have ever read a more irrational, illogical, poorly constructed argument in rebuttal to atheism in all my years.
It utterly ignores the complete and fatal flaw of religion, particularly Christianity.
There is absolutely NO evidence...NONE AT ALL...that ANY deity of any colour or description exists. I have asked you many times over to provide a single, verifiable, empirical or even historical fact that your precious Yahweh exists, and you repeatedly fail to cite an example.
FYI, the bible is NOT evidence.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 04:05:59 AM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 04:05:59 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Renee on January 07, 2016, 07:25:57 AM
Post by: Renee on January 07, 2016, 07:25:57 AM
I found neither theory to be satisfactory so I had to come up with my own. I call it quantum fractal energy dissipation. In a nutshell, the universe is made of energy that's trying to dissipate, and it cycles through long periods of stability followed by a sudden brief period where gravity lets go and everything flies apart. Then it stabilizes again but at a lower energy level. That's where the three generations of particles come from. They're from previous quantum states when the energy was more concentrated. And it's been going onQuote from: "easter bunny"forever- long enough for snakes to learn how to talk. =P
Oh fuck......and I thought "Idjit Joe" was a problem.
We have a rogue egghead loose on the forum.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 11:59:04 AM
Post by: RW on January 07, 2016, 11:59:04 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 04:37:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 04:37:23 PM
I found neither theory to be satisfactory so I had to come up with my own. I call it quantum fractal energy dissipation. In a nutshell, the universe is made of energy that's trying to dissipate, and it cycles through long periods of stability followed by a sudden brief period where gravity lets go and everything flies apart. Then it stabilizes again but at a lower energy level. That's where the three generations of particles come from. They're from previous quantum states when the energy was more concentrated. And it's been going onQuote from: "easter bunny"forever- long enough for snakes to learn how to talk. =P
I didn't know you were a Pentecostal easter bunny?
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2016, 07:25:06 PM
Post by: Bricktop on January 07, 2016, 07:25:06 PM
Actually, you havent. As I stated, you actually don't know enough about the Bible to refute it. This will go down exactly the same way it does with every anti theist. A huge waste of time. Btw, you can't be an atheist, the position that there is no God is irrational. I'm sure you have no clue why, though. I fully expect you to reject any solid evidence widely accepted as bullshit because that's what anti theists do. The tantrum is the cherry on top. Try opening your mind and looking at the body of evidence. Why don't you go point by point with everything in that article and explain, with facts, why it's irrational to you. I laid down points. Refute them. *popcorn* FYI, no where in that article was the bible used.Quote from: "Dove"
Is there some reason I should waste valuable time and effort explaining my critique of that crap?
The link is there. The gang are perfectly able to visit and make up their own minds.
Now, as to your "solid evidence"...where the fuck is it? Again with the typical religious twist; "I claim that lemons are secret alien listening devices - prove me wrong".
It is NOT incumbent upon ME to prove your fairy tales are untrue. It is incumbent upon you, as the promulgator, to provide evidence that your god exists. You have never done so, and never will. He/she exists in your mind, and your mind alone.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 10:19:58 PM
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 10:19:58 PM
I found neither theory to be satisfactory so I had to come up with my own. I call it quantum fractal energy dissipation. In a nutshell, the universe is made of energy that's trying to dissipate, and it cycles through long periods of stability followed by a sudden brief period where gravity lets go and everything flies apart. Then it stabilizes again but at a lower energy level. That's where the three generations of particles come from. They're from previous quantum states when the energy was more concentrated. And it's been going onQuote from: "easter bunny"forever- long enough for snakes to learn how to talk. =P
I didn't know you were a Pentecostal easter bunny?
:laugh:
I didn't know either. What's a Pentecostal? I need to google that now...
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 10:33:08 PM
We have aQuote from: "Renee"rogue eggheadloose on the forum. :laugh3:
Funny you should say that.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 10:35:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 10:35:35 PM
I found neither theory to be satisfactory so I had to come up with my own. I call it quantum fractal energy dissipation. In a nutshell, the universe is made of energy that's trying to dissipate, and it cycles through long periods of stability followed by a sudden brief period where gravity lets go and everything flies apart. Then it stabilizes again but at a lower energy level. That's where the three generations of particles come from. They're from previous quantum states when the energy was more concentrated. And it's been going onQuote from: "easter bunny"forever- long enough for snakes to learn how to talk. =P
I didn't know you were a Pentecostal easter bunny?
:laugh:
I didn't know either. What's a Pentecostal? I need to google that now...:laugh:
I'm sorry easter bunny, I thought everyone knew what Pentecostalism was..
It's charismatic branch of Christianity, speaking in tongues and some smaller offshoots even handling serpents.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 10:59:45 PM
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 10:59:45 PM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 11:02:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 11:02:21 PM
Actually I don't belong to any church. I've always been a scientist at heart. The strange thing is that I took that route and ended up more or less in the same place, minus the magic. =)Quote from: "easter bunny"
I don't know why, but I assumed even secularists knew about Pentecostals and other charismatic movements.
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 11:05:33 PM
Post by: easter bunny on January 07, 2016, 11:05:33 PM
Actually I don't belong to any church. I've always been a scientist at heart. The strange thing is that I took that route and ended up more or less in the same place, minus the magic. =)Quote from: "easter bunny"
I don't know why, but I assumed even secularists knew about Pentecostals and other charismatic movements.
ac_unsure
No. I don't pay attention to that stuff. To me it just meant
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 11:06:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2016, 11:06:51 PM
Actually I don't belong to any church. I've always been a scientist at heart. The strange thing is that I took that route and ended up more or less in the same place, minus the magic. =)Quote from: "easter bunny"
I don't know why, but I assumed even secularists knew about Pentecostals and other charismatic movements.
ac_unsure
No. I don't pay attention to that stuff. To me it just meantfive times more expensiveor something. ac_dunno
lol
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: RW on January 08, 2016, 12:58:38 AM
Post by: RW on January 08, 2016, 12:58:38 AM
Title: Re: Teaching Creationism in public schools...
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 12:36:39 PM
Post by: Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 12:36:39 PM