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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 09:49:11 PM

Title: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen elected Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 09:49:11 PM
I'm so pleased that the pan greens will soon take back the presidency and we will have our first woman president.



http://news.yahoo.com/opposition-favorite-win-taiwans-presidential-election-110329028.html

TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — Voting began Saturday in Taiwan's presidential election in which the island's China-friendly Nationalist Party appears likely to lose power to the pro-independence opposition, amid concerns that the island's economy is under threat from China and broad opposition among voters to Beijing's demands for political unification.



The Democratic Progressive Party's Tsai Ing-wen is poised to become the self-governing island's first female president, returning the main opposition party to power after eight years under Nationalist President Ma Ying-jeou, who is constitutionally barred from another term.



The outcome of the contest for a majority in the 133-seat legislature remains uncertain, with independents and smaller parties posing a threat to both the Nationalists and the DPP.



A win for Tsai would introduce new uncertainty in the complicated relationship between Taiwan and mainland China, which claims the island as its own territory and threatens to use force if it declares formal independence.



"This is not about defeating the other party. This is about working to overcome the obstacles in Taiwan's path," Tsai told supporters gathered in the rain at a final rally Friday night in front of the presidential office building in the center of the capital, Taipei.



Tsai has pledged to maintain the status quo of de-facto independence for the island of 23 million, although she has refused to endorse the principle that Taiwan and China are parts of a single nation to be unified eventually.



Beijing has made that its baseline for continuing negotiations that have produced a series of pacts on trade, transport and exchanges. Observers say China is likely to adopt a wait-and-see approach to Tsai's presidency, but might use diplomatic and economy pressure if she is seen as straying too far from its unification agenda.



Taiwan was a Japanese colony from 1885 to 1945 and split again from China amid civil war in 1949.



Tsai's Nationalist opponent, Eric Chu, was a late entry in the race after the party ditched its original candidate, Hung Hsiu-chu, whose abrasive style was seen as alienating voters. He has trailed Tsai by double digits in the latest polls.



China has largely declined to comment on the polls, although its chief official for Taiwan affairs this month warned of potential major challenges in the relationship in the year ahead.



Tsai supporters appeared confident that ties with China would weather a change in government.



"As long as Tsai doesn't provoke the other side, it's OK," said former newspaper distribution agent Lenex Chang, 66, who attended Tsai's rally. "If mainland China democratizes someday, we could consider a tie-up," he added.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Renee on January 15, 2016, 09:59:27 PM
So Chinese politics doesn't belong in the political subforum? How does that work?
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 10:01:35 PM
This is how election events have been in and around our capital, Taipei.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2016/01/16/2003637316

Despite rain and a cold front, tens of thousands of people gathered in a stadium in New Taipei City's Banciao District (板橋) and on Ketagalan Boulevard in front of the Presidential Office Building in Taipei to attend the Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) presidential candidate Tsai Ing-wen's (蔡英文) twin election eve rallies.



"Over the past four years, I've traveled around Taiwan, I've seen the suffering of the people and I've heard the public's call for change," Tsai told the Banciao crowd, triggering rounds of cheers and calls for her to win the election. "The third rotation of power [in the nation's history] should further deepen democracy in Taiwan, fuel economic development and, most importantly, allow people to regain trust in politics. Democratic politics is responsible politics, if [a government] cannot do it well, then we change it."



Tsai promised that she would not let the public down, saying she hopes that years from now, when people think of this year's presidential election, they can proudly and loudly say that they voted for Tsai and voted for change in Taiwan with no regrets.



"I want everyone to go to polling stations with hope and expectations," Tsai said. "We need your vote for the nation's progress."



Following the rally in New Taipei City, Tsai and her running mate, Chen Chien-jen (陳建仁), traveled to Taipei to join the other tens of thousands of supporters awaiting them on Ketagalan Boulevard, asking her supporters in Banciao to follow.



"Please come with me to Ketagalan Boulevard, be my company on the last mile," Tsai said, followed by hundreds of supporters immediately departing for Taipei
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 10:03:55 PM
Quote from: "Renee"So Chinese politics doesn't belong in the political subforum? Who does that work?

This is Taiwanese politics though Renee..



I will move it, but after I get a reaction from a certain ultra nationalist mainland poster..

 :laugh:

I feel like provoking tonight.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Renee on January 15, 2016, 10:05:10 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Renee"So Chinese politics doesn't belong in the political subforum? Who does that work?

This is Taiwanese politics though Renee..



I will move it, but after I get a reaction from a certain ultra nationalist mainland poster..

 :laugh:

I feel like provoking tonight.


Smartass, I didn't think you had it in you.  :laugh3:
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 15, 2016, 10:08:16 PM
I don't know anything about Taiwanese politics - just Tsai Ing.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 10:09:05 PM
Quote from: "Renee"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Renee"So Chinese politics doesn't belong in the political subforum? Who does that work?

This is Taiwanese politics though Renee..



I will move it, but after I get a reaction from a certain ultra nationalist mainland poster..

 :laugh:

I feel like provoking tonight.


Smartass, I didn't think you had it in you.  :laugh3:

If I'm comfortable enough with a person I will do something like this, but only if I am comfortable with that person.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 10:11:15 PM
Quote from: "easter bunny"I don't know anything about Taiwanese politics - just Tsai Ing.

 Lol easter bunny..



Taiwanese democracy is so lively compared to Canada..



Even though I live here, I'm much more interested in Taiwanese politics than anything at any level in Canada.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 10:19:07 PM
at a campaign event in Taipei City

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Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 15, 2016, 10:30:24 PM
I've always known that they make good products in Taiwan. Turns out they make good people there too.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 10:31:50 PM
^The only fucking reason that splittist twat will probably win is because the conservative pan blue side are running two candidates. If the KMT's Chu and James Soong of the PFP had a unified ticket your lefty DPP wouldn't be so fucking smug.  :rules:



You think Taiwan's economy is struggling now? Tsai doesn't recognize the 92 consesnus. Good luck getting a single concession from Beijing. The international noose around your shitty little rogue province will get a lot fucking tighter. :t1929:
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Romero on January 15, 2016, 10:39:59 PM
Funny, I was just reading this article:


QuoteThis Death Metal Vocalist Is Running In Taiwan's General Election



From his campaign photos alone, you'd never guess Taiwanese parliamentary candidate Freddy Lim is the lead singer of Asia's hottest death metal band.



With his long hair pulled back, black eyeliner removed and tattoos covered up, the head-banging politician is vying for one of 113 seats in the nation's sixth presidential election on Saturday, which will choose a new legislature and new president.



Lim founded the small New Power Party following the Sunflower Movement of 2014, in which local students occupied parliament for three weeks to protest a trade agreement with China.



His campaign is geared toward first-time voters in Taiwan, where the voting age is 20. According to the Taiwan Alliance for the Advancement of Youth Rights and Welfare, 80 per cent of the island's youth want the age to be lowered to 18.



The 39-year-old rock star, who's also the former chair of Amnesty International Taiwan, has made no effort to conceal his criticism of the current Nationalist Party's relationship with Beijing. In an interview with CNN, he criticized Taiwan's dependence on the Chinese economy, saying Taiwan's youth don't agree with it.



His opponents are not amused by his nontraditional campaigning tactics, which included a concert and rally in the city of Taipei by his band Chthonic. Nationalist Party legislative candidate Lin Yu-fang reportedly called the hardcore sensation "mentally abnormal" and urged voters to keep Lim out of government.



//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/freddy-lim-taiwan-election_569955eae4b0778f46f953e6
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 10:41:47 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"^The only fucking reason that splittist twat will probably win is because the conservative pan blue side are running two candidates. If the KMT's Chu and James Soong of the PFP had a unified ticket your lefty DPP wouldn't be so fucking smug.  :rules:



You think Taiwan's economy is struggling now? Tsai doesn't recognize the 92 consesnus. Good luck getting a single concession from Beijing. The international noose around your shitty little rogue province will get a lot fucking tighter. :t1929:

Shen Li, how could Taiwan possibly have any less international recognition?



China has been poaching what few third world small nations that still officially recognize Taiwan for more than two decades..



We can't even get observer status at the World Health Organization..



Some encouraging signs though from an American presidential candidate.



http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2016/01/09/2003636798

Republican US presidential hopeful Marco Rubio said that, if elected, he would defend Taiwan should the nation be invaded by China.

Did you notice how senator Rubio referred to Taiwan as a nation?
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 10:50:57 PM
Quote from: "Romero"Funny, I was just reading this article:


QuoteThis Death Metal Vocalist Is Running In Taiwan's General Election



From his campaign photos alone, you'd never guess Taiwanese parliamentary candidate Freddy Lim is the lead singer of Asia's hottest death metal band.



With his long hair pulled back, black eyeliner removed and tattoos covered up, the head-banging politician is vying for one of 113 seats in the nation's sixth presidential election on Saturday, which will choose a new legislature and new president.



Lim founded the small New Power Party following the Sunflower Movement of 2014, in which local students occupied parliament for three weeks to protest a trade agreement with China.



His campaign is geared toward first-time voters in Taiwan, where the voting age is 20. According to the Taiwan Alliance for the Advancement of Youth Rights and Welfare, 80 per cent of the island's youth want the age to be lowered to 18.



The 39-year-old rock star, who's also the former chair of Amnesty International Taiwan, has made no effort to conceal his criticism of the current Nationalist Party's relationship with Beijing. In an interview with CNN, he criticized Taiwan's dependence on the Chinese economy, saying Taiwan's youth don't agree with it.



His opponents are not amused by his nontraditional campaigning tactics, which included a concert and rally in the city of Taipei by his band Chthonic. Nationalist Party legislative candidate Lin Yu-fang reportedly called the hardcore sensation "mentally abnormal" and urged voters to keep Lim out of government.



//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/freddy-lim-taiwan-election_569955eae4b0778f46f953e6

A celebutard from a fringe party?? Yeah, he'll restore the Asian dragon days. :laugh3:
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 15, 2016, 10:53:13 PM
China should forget about Taiwan and annex North Korea before that lunatic causes a nuclear war.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 10:55:38 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"


Some encouraging signs though from an American presidential candidate.



http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2016/01/09/2003636798

Republican US presidential hopeful Marco Rubio said that, if elected, he would defend Taiwan should the nation be invaded by China.

Did you notice how senator Rubio referred to Taiwan as a nation?

There isn't an ice cube's chance in a sauna chance that the next prez of the US will ever deviate from the one-China policy. There is only one possibility for Taiwan and it is with the motherland. Give up these childish dreams of ever having the world recognize an independent Taiwan.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 10:58:15 PM
Quote from: "easter bunny"China should forget about Taiwan and annex North Korea before that lunatic causes a nuclear war.

We will never forget about an integral part of our nation. China has always been weakest when we are divided.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Bricktop on January 15, 2016, 11:02:04 PM
So, the Taiwanese, who've lived beyond the jackassboot of Beijing's ruthless overlords for 60 odd years should just drop everything and run to the Politburo begging forgiveness and offering all their money as reparations?



Let us not forget that China is a dictatorship, and Taiwan is not.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 11:02:42 PM
Quote from: "easter bunny"I've always known that they make good products in Taiwan. Turns out they make good people there too.  :thumbup:

Thank you easter bunny, I'm so flattered.

 acc_hugz
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Bricktop on January 15, 2016, 11:04:19 PM
Quote from: "easter bunny"I've always known that they make good products in Taiwan. Turns out they make good people there too.  :thumbup:


Unlike the mainland, which turns out worker's party clones chanting their dogma day in and day out.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 11:06:44 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Fashionista"


Some encouraging signs though from an American presidential candidate.



http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2016/01/09/2003636798

Republican US presidential hopeful Marco Rubio said that, if elected, he would defend Taiwan should the nation be invaded by China.

Did you notice how senator Rubio referred to Taiwan as a nation?

There isn't an ice cube's chance in a sauna chance that the next prez of the US will ever deviate from the one-China policy. There is only one possibility for Taiwan and it is with the motherland. Give up these childish dreams of ever having the world recognize an independent Taiwan.

Not now, but perhaps in the future when the world will not need China's growth for their own..



A new generation has developed that sees themselves as Taiwanese..



I can't see any possibility of young Taiwanese ever giving their blessing to unification.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 11:09:44 PM
^You fucking treasonous, splittist cow. I wanna get in my vehicle, drive down to Calgary and slap the yellow off your back when you spew that traitor shit. :mad:  acc_angry  :t1929:
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 11:12:15 PM
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Quote from: "easter bunny"I've always known that they make good products in Taiwan. Turns out they make good people there too.  :thumbup:


Unlike the mainland, which turns out worker's party clones chanting their dogma day in and day out.

Will you stop fucking encouraging the traitor. Like too many people on that shitty little rogue island province, she has her head directly up the West's ass.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 15, 2016, 11:34:13 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "easter bunny"I've always known that they make good products in Taiwan. Turns out they make good people there too.  :thumbup:

Thank you easter bunny, I'm so flattered.

 acc_hugz

acc_hugz
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 15, 2016, 11:36:29 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "easter bunny"China should forget about Taiwan and annex North Korea before that lunatic causes a nuclear war.

We will never forget about an integral part of our nation. China has always been weakest when we are divided.

Why not let them have some autonomy the way they did for Hong Kong? That worked out okay didn't it?
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 11:44:46 PM
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "easter bunny"China should forget about Taiwan and annex North Korea before that lunatic causes a nuclear war.

We will never forget about an integral part of our nation. China has always been weakest when we are divided.

Why not let them have some autonomy the way they did for Hong Kong? That worked out okay didn't it?

That is what China has floated, but with even greater autonomy than Hong Kong..



Something like one country, three systems where Taiwan would even keep it's army..



But, it does not have support in Taiwan and even the KMT were forced to call it unacceptable..



The dragging their feet on direct democracy in Hong Kong only added to the skepticism about any form of union with China..



I really believe the only thing that will ever have the assent of Taiwanese is de jure recognition of our de facto independence..



We already are a nation, the only thing that would change would be changing our official name from Republic of China or ROC to ROT.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 15, 2016, 11:52:39 PM
^You won't even get that in the fucking future if this pan green twat causes Beijing to lose face just like Chen and Lee did. :mad:
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Bricktop on January 15, 2016, 11:54:43 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Quote from: "easter bunny"I've always known that they make good products in Taiwan. Turns out they make good people there too.  :thumbup:


Unlike the mainland, which turns out worker's party clones chanting their dogma day in and day out.

Will you stop fucking encouraging the traitor. Like too many people on that shitty little rogue island province, she has her head directly up the West's ass.


Better your head up the wests's ass, than under a PLA tank.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 12:11:41 AM
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"


Better your head up the wests's ass, than under a PLA tank.

If their new "prez" pushes China, the people of traitor island will get both.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 16, 2016, 12:12:09 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "easter bunny"China should forget about Taiwan and annex North Korea before that lunatic causes a nuclear war.

We will never forget about an integral part of our nation. China has always been weakest when we are divided.

Why not let them have some autonomy the way they did for Hong Kong? That worked out okay didn't it?

That is what China has floated, but with even greater autonomy than Hong Kong..



Something like one country, three systems where Taiwan would even keep it's army..



But, it does not have support in Taiwan and even the KMT were forced to call it unacceptable..



The dragging their feet on direct democracy in Hong Kong only added to the skepticism about any form of union with China..



I really believe the only thing that will ever have the assent of Taiwanese is de jure recognition of our de facto independence..



We already are a nation, the only thing that would change would be changing our official name from Republic of China or ROC to ROT.

That's the thing with freedom. Once people get a taste of it they never want to give it up. Beijing knows it too.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 12:18:28 AM
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "easter bunny"China should forget about Taiwan and annex North Korea before that lunatic causes a nuclear war.

We will never forget about an integral part of our nation. China has always been weakest when we are divided.

Why not let them have some autonomy the way they did for Hong Kong? That worked out okay didn't it?

That is what China has floated, but with even greater autonomy than Hong Kong..



Something like one country, three systems where Taiwan would even keep it's army..



But, it does not have support in Taiwan and even the KMT were forced to call it unacceptable..



The dragging their feet on direct democracy in Hong Kong only added to the skepticism about any form of union with China..



I really believe the only thing that will ever have the assent of Taiwanese is de jure recognition of our de facto independence..



We already are a nation, the only thing that would change would be changing our official name from Republic of China or ROC to ROT.

That's the thing with freedom. Once people get a taste of it they never want to give it up. Beijing knows it too.

You are precisely right easter bunny and I see proof of this when I talk with younger relatives in Taiwan who never knew the martial law of the KMT one party rule era..



The problem is now that China's economy is failing is that they have nothing left to offer Taiwan..



Might the stick be next now that the carrot is rotting?
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 16, 2016, 12:52:16 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"The problem is now that China's economy is failing is that they have nothing left to offer Taiwan..



Might the stick be next now that the carrot is rotting?

Hopefully not. That would be bad for everyone. =(
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 01:06:52 AM
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Fashionista"The problem is now that China's economy is failing is that they have nothing left to offer Taiwan..



Might the stick be next now that the carrot is rotting?

Hopefully not. That would be bad for everyone. =(

As is the case in every Taiwanese election, China has been making vague threats if Taiwanese make the wrong decision at the ballot box, which in their opinion means electing a pan green president which will almost certainly happen ..



We have always had to deal with a fast growing China, but now that the bubble has burst, will they get desperate?



If the economy really starts to sour I'm worried they might use Taiwan as a distraction from domestic turmoil and like you said easter bunny, that would be bad for everyone..



For now, I am excited to see Taiwanese elect their first woman president and a member of the Democratic Progressive Party.

:23tfup5:
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 16, 2016, 01:41:29 AM
Beijing has some huge problems to deal with, not the least of which is pollution. How is flexing their military muscle going to help? Maybe a few jobs, but that's about it. I think that would only make the domestic turmoil worse, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 01:49:54 AM
Quote from: "easter bunny"Beijing has some huge problems to deal with, not the least of which is pollution. How is flexing their military muscle going to help? Maybe a few jobs, but that's about it. I think that would only make the domestic turmoil worse, wouldn't it?

Pollution will not be an issue unless the economy falters even further..



There is a tacit understanding between the people of China and the communist party that serious challenges to their rule will not happen in exchange for continued high growth rates..



If Beijing cannot deliver the kind of growth that people have grown accustomed to, they will resort to nationalism to stop any perceived hemorrhage of support..



They have done this in the past with both the USA and Japan when they have experienced an occasional weak quarter of growth..



They will have no problem using Taiwan's new president as a nationalist distraction..



If they don't then people will start speaking with louder voices about problems like corruption, pollution, and rising unemployment.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 16, 2016, 02:00:49 AM
These growth rates are totally unsustainable. If the people expect that to continue they're in for a huge disappointment. A perfect storm of civil unrest could be on the horizon. I doubt Taiwan will be enough of a distraction.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 02:01:54 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "easter bunny"Beijing has some huge problems to deal with, not the least of which is pollution. How is flexing their military muscle going to help? Maybe a few jobs, but that's about it. I think that would only make the domestic turmoil worse, wouldn't it?

Pollution will not be an issue unless the economy falters even further..



There is a tacit understanding between the people of China and the communist party that serious challenges to their rule will not happen in exchange for continued high growth rates..



If Beijing cannot deliver the kind of growth that people have grown accustomed to, they will resort to nationalism to stop any perceived hemorrhage of support..



They have done this in the past with both the USA and Japan when they have experienced an occasional weak quarter of growth..



They will have no problem using Taiwan's new president as a nationalist distraction..



If they don't then people will start speaking with louder voices about problems like corruption, pollution, and rising unemployment.

You got that right and that is why they have wasted so much money propping up the stock market.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 16, 2016, 02:10:29 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "easter bunny"Beijing has some huge problems to deal with, not the least of which is pollution. How is flexing their military muscle going to help? Maybe a few jobs, but that's about it. I think that would only make the domestic turmoil worse, wouldn't it?

Pollution will not be an issue unless the economy falters even further..



There is a tacit understanding between the people of China and the communist party that serious challenges to their rule will not happen in exchange for continued high growth rates..



If Beijing cannot deliver the kind of growth that people have grown accustomed to, they will resort to nationalism to stop any perceived hemorrhage of support..



They have done this in the past with both the USA and Japan when they have experienced an occasional weak quarter of growth..



They will have no problem using Taiwan's new president as a nationalist distraction..



If they don't then people will start speaking with louder voices about problems like corruption, pollution, and rising unemployment.

You got that right and that is why they have wasted so much money propping up the stock market.
Well that means they're in...   :7283gm_th:   mode. Something tells me this isn't going to end well.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 02:12:40 AM
Quote from: "easter bunny"These growth rates are totally unsustainable. If the people expect that to continue they're in for a huge disappointment. A perfect storm of civil unrest could be on the horizon. I doubt Taiwan will be enough of a distraction.

Of course those high rates of growth are unsustainable and China knows that too..



But China will still likely grow perhaps six percent this year which would be amazing in Japan, or the West, but to Beijing that is practically a recession..



Under those economic circumstances Taiwan could be enough of a nationalistic distraction like it was when Lee Teng Hui was president and called for special state to state relations with Beijing..



But if growth were to tumble to 2 percent then even Japan capturing one hundred Chinese fishing boats will not be enough of a distraction to internal economic decline..



I should add, that as much as I dislike China's government, I don't want China's economy to fail..



That would have dire consequences for Taiwan in particular, but the world as well.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 02:21:26 AM
Quote from: "easter bunny"Well that means they're in...   :7283gm_th:   mode. Something tells me this isn't going to end well.

China is is the midst of a transition. They front loaded 15-20 years of infrastructure spending along with cheap manufacturing and while the first is all but gone, the second is also in decline. They are trying to become a consumer society just like the West, but the people prefer to save. Beijing encouraged people to invest in the stock market, but the problem is that it is not a true market like the Hang Seng. It's full of state owned enterprises(SOE's) that are not real transparent companies or even close to it. Hence, they were bad buys and the average Chinese got stung. That was the biggest mistake the government made and it has stunted growth even more.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 16, 2016, 02:38:38 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "easter bunny"These growth rates are totally unsustainable. If the people expect that to continue they're in for a huge disappointment. A perfect storm of civil unrest could be on the horizon. I doubt Taiwan will be enough of a distraction.

Of course those high rates of growth are unsustainable and China knows that too..



But China will still likely grow perhaps six percent this year which would be amazing in Japan, or the West, but to Beijing that is practically a recession..



Under those economic circumstances Taiwan could be enough of a nationalistic distraction like it was when Lee Teng Hui was president and called for special state to state relations with Beijing..



But if growth were to tumble to 2 percent then even Japan capturing one hundred Chinese fishing boats will not be enough of a distraction to internal economic decline..



I should add, that as much as I dislike China's government, I don't want China's economy to fail..



That would have dire consequences for Taiwan in particular, but the world as well.


China's economy won't fail, but there's not much room left for growth in exports now. Most of the growth is going to have to come from an increase in domestic demand. It's uncharted territory. It'll be interesting to see how they manage it. Will it be neat and organized or will it be messy?   :pop:
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 02:45:36 AM
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "easter bunny"These growth rates are totally unsustainable. If the people expect that to continue they're in for a huge disappointment. A perfect storm of civil unrest could be on the horizon. I doubt Taiwan will be enough of a distraction.

Of course those high rates of growth are unsustainable and China knows that too..



But China will still likely grow perhaps six percent this year which would be amazing in Japan, or the West, but to Beijing that is practically a recession..



Under those economic circumstances Taiwan could be enough of a nationalistic distraction like it was when Lee Teng Hui was president and called for special state to state relations with Beijing..



But if growth were to tumble to 2 percent then even Japan capturing one hundred Chinese fishing boats will not be enough of a distraction to internal economic decline..



I should add, that as much as I dislike China's government, I don't want China's economy to fail..



That would have dire consequences for Taiwan in particular, but the world as well.


China's economy won't fail, but there's not much room left for growth in exports now. Most of the growth is going to have to come from an increase in domestic demand. It's uncharted territory. It'll be interesting to see how they manage it. Will it be neat and organized or will it be messy?   :pop:

Actually, the bigger shock to the economy is from the slowdown in infrastructure spending..



Manufacturing has slowed a little, but infrastructure spending has nearly ground to a halt..



Domestic demand is the future for China, but Chinese are notorious savers and Beijing is having a hard time changing deeply ingrained social behaviour..



I believe the transition will be bumpy, but it will happen..



No country in the world wants a destabilized China.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 16, 2016, 02:46:44 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li" They are trying to become a consumer society just like the West, but the people prefer to save.

I wonder if that has something to do with the younger generation in the west being used to having everything so they don't feel the need to save like the older generation did.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Shen Li" They are trying to become a consumer society just like the West, but the people prefer to save.

I wonder if that has something to do with the younger generation in the west being used to having everything so they don't feel the need to save like the older generation did.

The way I understand it is even young Chinese are good savers compared to say Koreans who pile up debt for cosmetics.

 :ohmy:
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen elected Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 12:47:52 PM
I'm so happy my country elected a lady to be president and returned the Democratic Progressive Party to the nation's top elected position.






"With our votes, we proved that we are a sovereign and independent nation," DPP legislator-at-large-elect Hsu Kuo-yung (徐國勇), who was one of the hosts of last night's rally, told the crowd. "This is our nation."



At an international news conference at 8:30pm yesterday, Tsai spoke of her respect for Taiwanese, thanked her rivals and promised cross-party collaboration.



"Today, Taiwanese wrote history with their ballots and signaled the third transition of power since direct presidential suffrage was put in place, as well as the first transition of power in the legislature," Tsai said. "I would like to show my deepest respect to those who went to the polls."



As for her rivals, Chu and Soong, Tsai expressed her gratitude that they upheld democratic values so that the election could be completed.



She said that she would take their criticism as a reference for policymaking and would work with other parties to make the nation a better place.



Tsai said that in the four months leading up to her inauguration on May 20, she would work with the current government to complete the transition of power, with the goal of maintaining political stability.



Chu conceded defeat in the presidential election at about 7pm, apologizing to supporters for failing to live up to their expectations and fulfilling the KMT's obligation to safeguard the ROC.

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Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 16, 2016, 02:41:50 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Shen Li" They are trying to become a consumer society just like the West, but the people prefer to save.

I wonder if that has something to do with the younger generation in the west being used to having everything so they don't feel the need to save like the older generation did.

The way I understand it is even young Chinese are good savers compared to say Koreans who pile up debt for cosmetics.

 :ohmy:

Selflessness vs selfishness? Communism vs capitalism?  ac_umm
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen elected Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 07:09:55 PM
The people in Taiwan are some of the friendliest and most hospitable people in the far East. I always had a good time in Taiwan.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen likely to be new Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 07:51:43 PM
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Shen Li" They are trying to become a consumer society just like the West, but the people prefer to save.

I wonder if that has something to do with the younger generation in the west being used to having everything so they don't feel the need to save like the older generation did.

The way I understand it is even young Chinese are good savers compared to say Koreans who pile up debt for cosmetics.

 :ohmy:

Selflessness vs selfishness? Communism vs capitalism?  ac_umm

WTF??  Two different countries, different history, different social conditioning. You see everything through Western ideological eyes.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen elected Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 16, 2016, 08:54:18 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "easter bunny"
Quote from: "Shen Li" They are trying to become a consumer society just like the West, but the people prefer to save.

I wonder if that has something to do with the younger generation in the west being used to having everything so they don't feel the need to save like the older generation did.

The way I understand it is even young Chinese are good savers compared to say Koreans who pile up debt for cosmetics.

 :ohmy:

Selflessness vs selfishness? Communism vs capitalism?  ac_umm

WTF??  Two different countries, different history, different social conditioning. You see everything through Western ideological eyes.

Well I was raised in the west. I'm just thinking out loud right now, not really drawing any conclusions yet. It just seems to me that if you've been through tough times you'd be more likely to save your money. Most westerners (myself included) have never seen really tough times so it's a hard thing to imagine.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen elected Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 08:58:59 PM
^Ur getting warmer, but there's much more to it than that.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen elected Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 16, 2016, 09:46:33 PM
I'm listening. =)
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen elected Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 16, 2016, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: "easter bunny"I'm listening. =)

What, you want me to write 5000 years of history??
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen elected Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 16, 2016, 11:54:47 PM
Can you condense it to 140 characters? =P
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen elected Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2016, 12:03:50 AM
Quote from: "easter bunny"Can you condense it to 140 characters? =P

Can't do it so no hashtag.  Frugality is a virtue and it has nothing to do with Mao/commies. It been taught for thousands of years. The classic Chinese text Dao De Jing states that the three greatest treasures one can have are love, frugality, and generosity. Frugality is really an integral part of the Chinese culture.
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen elected Taiwanese president.
Post by: easter bunny on January 17, 2016, 12:13:34 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "easter bunny"Can you condense it to 140 characters? =P

Can't do it so no hashtag.  Frugality is a virtue and it has nothing to do with Mao/commies. It been taught for thousands of years. The classic Chinese text Dao De Jing states that the three greatest treasures one can have are love, frugality, and generosity. Frugality is really an integral part of the Chinese culture.

I like that.  ac_smile
Title: Re: DPP's Tsai Ing Wen elected Taiwanese president.
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2016, 12:17:23 AM
Quote from: "Herman"The people in Taiwan are some of the friendliest and most hospitable people in the far East. I always had a good time in Taiwan.

I've heard foreigners say that and I've also heard tourists say it is aesthetically disappointing.
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