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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: RW on January 18, 2016, 11:56:34 AM

Title: Learn English or Else!
Post by: RW on January 18, 2016, 11:56:34 AM
Do you think this is a valid means of curbing extremism?
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Learn English or else: U.K. sends message to Muslim women



Some migrants to Britain who cannot pass an English test within 2 1/2 years of arriving may not be allowed to stay, British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Monday in a move aimed at fostering greater integration by Muslim women.



Cameron said there were 190,000 British Muslim women who spoke little or no English and Britain needed to take on the "backward attitudes" of some men whom he said exerted damaging control over their wives, sisters and daughters.



"Someone can move to here with very basic English and there's no requirement to improve it over time. We will change that. We will now say: if you don't improve your fluency, that could affect your ability to stay in the U.K.," Cameron wrote in an article for the Times newspaper.



"This will help make it clear to those men who stop their partners from integrating that there are consequences."




The government will invest £20-million pounds ($28-million U.S.) in English classes for women in isolated communities, and from October this year will begin testing those who have come in to Britain on a spousal visa to check if their language skills have improved.



Cameron said while there was no direct causal link between poor English language skills and extremism, those who were not able to integrate into British society were at risk of being more susceptible to extremist ideologies.



"Separate development and accepting practices that go against our values only emphasize differences and can help prompt the search of something to belong to," he wrote.



But his comments were criticized by Muslim groups, who said the British leader was "denigrating" Muslims rather than working with communities to help tackle extremism.



"The Prime Minister David Cameron and his Conservative government are once again using British Muslims as a political football to score cheap points to appear tough," said Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation.



"Rather than focusing on the positive contribution of our faith and community, he focuses on the extreme minority of issues, which clearly is not representative."
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2016, 01:16:45 PM
Quote from: "RW"Do you think this is a valid means of curbing extremism?
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Learn English or else: U.K. sends message to Muslim women



Some migrants to Britain who cannot pass an English test within 2 1/2 years of arriving may not be allowed to stay, British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Monday in a move aimed at fostering greater integration by Muslim women.



Cameron said there were 190,000 British Muslim women who spoke little or no English and Britain needed to take on the "backward attitudes" of some men whom he said exerted damaging control over their wives, sisters and daughters.



"Someone can move to here with very basic English and there's no requirement to improve it over time. We will change that. We will now say: if you don't improve your fluency, that could affect your ability to stay in the U.K.," Cameron wrote in an article for the Times newspaper.



"This will help make it clear to those men who stop their partners from integrating that there are consequences."




The government will invest £20-million pounds ($28-million U.S.) in English classes for women in isolated communities, and from October this year will begin testing those who have come in to Britain on a spousal visa to check if their language skills have improved.



Cameron said while there was no direct causal link between poor English language skills and extremism, those who were not able to integrate into British society were at risk of being more susceptible to extremist ideologies.



"Separate development and accepting practices that go against our values only emphasize differences and can help prompt the search of something to belong to," he wrote.



But his comments were criticized by Muslim groups, who said the British leader was "denigrating" Muslims rather than working with communities to help tackle extremism.



"The Prime Minister David Cameron and his Conservative government are once again using British Muslims as a political football to score cheap points to appear tough," said Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation.



"Rather than focusing on the positive contribution of our faith and community, he focuses on the extreme minority of issues, which clearly is not representative."

I like the idea of integration, but I don't see how it will stop the growth of Islamism in the UK. All the foreign fighters from Britain that went to Syria can speak fluent English.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2016, 02:33:38 PM
Quote from: "RW"Do you think this is a valid means of curbing extremism?
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Learn English or else: U.K. sends message to Muslim women



Some migrants to Britain who cannot pass an English test within 2 1/2 years of arriving may not be allowed to stay, British Prime Minister David Cameron said on Monday in a move aimed at fostering greater integration by Muslim women.



Cameron said there were 190,000 British Muslim women who spoke little or no English and Britain needed to take on the "backward attitudes" of some men whom he said exerted damaging control over their wives, sisters and daughters.



"Someone can move to here with very basic English and there's no requirement to improve it over time. We will change that. We will now say: if you don't improve your fluency, that could affect your ability to stay in the U.K.," Cameron wrote in an article for the Times newspaper.



"This will help make it clear to those men who stop their partners from integrating that there are consequences."




The government will invest £20-million pounds ($28-million U.S.) in English classes for women in isolated communities, and from October this year will begin testing those who have come in to Britain on a spousal visa to check if their language skills have improved.



Cameron said while there was no direct causal link between poor English language skills and extremism, those who were not able to integrate into British society were at risk of being more susceptible to extremist ideologies.



"Separate development and accepting practices that go against our values only emphasize differences and can help prompt the search of something to belong to," he wrote.



But his comments were criticized by Muslim groups, who said the British leader was "denigrating" Muslims rather than working with communities to help tackle extremism.



"The Prime Minister David Cameron and his Conservative government are once again using British Muslims as a political football to score cheap points to appear tough," said Mohammed Shafiq, chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation.



"Rather than focusing on the positive contribution of our faith and community, he focuses on the extreme minority of issues, which clearly is not representative."

If you are not fluent in English in a short time, you can be deported?

 :shock:
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Bricktop on January 18, 2016, 05:52:29 PM
From my experience, Canada would be empty in short order if that were the case.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: RW on January 18, 2016, 05:58:58 PM
Coming from a man who think idea rhymes with rear.   :oeudC:
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Annie on January 18, 2016, 06:31:02 PM
I feel there's no excuse to not learn English in Canada. All over the lower mainland I see ad advertising FREE English lessons to newcomers.  If someone wanted to pay for me to learn a second language, I'd take it! I'd like to touch up on French and learn sign.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Bricktop on January 18, 2016, 07:20:53 PM
But the locals cannot speak English.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: easter bunny on January 18, 2016, 07:25:15 PM
Mandatory low self esteem for women, antisocial disorder, explosive disorder, psychopathy...



If it weren't so pathetic it'd be funny to watch our leaders tiptoeing around the tulips to avoid stating the obvious - that most if not all the defining factors of Islam are listed as mental disorders in the DSM.   :crazy:



I don't think anything can curb the existence of the extremely ill, but allowing them to blend in and pretending that such behaviour is acceptable is obviously not working. With the possible exception of the elderly and those suffering from extreme shyness, people who refuse to learn the language are sending a clear message that they want nothing to do with you or your culture.



Personally I think that any Muslim men who refuse to allow their sex slaves to integrate into society should be immediately deported, preferably to a small island near the north pole. We could declare one of them a sovereign nation.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2016, 07:29:48 PM
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"From my experience, Canada would be empty in short order if that were the case.

This forum too. :laugh3:
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: RW on January 18, 2016, 07:37:52 PM
Quote from: "easter bunny"Mandatory low self esteem for women, antisocial disorder, explosive disorder, psychopathy...



If it weren't so pathetic it'd be funny to watch our leaders tiptoeing around the tulips to avoid stating the obvious - that most if not all the defining factors of Islam are listed as mental disorders in the DSM.   :crazy:



I don't think anything can curb the existence of the extremely ill, but allowing them to blend in and pretending that such behaviour is acceptable is obviously not working. With the possible exception of the elderly and those suffering from extreme shyness, people who refuse to learn the language are sending a clear message that they want nothing to do with you or your culture.



Personally I think that any Muslim men who refuse to allow their sex slaves to integrate into society should be immediately deported, preferably to a small island near the north pole. We could declare one of them a sovereign nation.

^^^^ Works for me!
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2016, 07:46:44 PM
Does anyone find it ironic that Westminster is debating whether to ban Trump because of anti Muslim bias while at the same time Cameron is introducing this?
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Twenty Dollars on January 18, 2016, 07:55:16 PM
For what it's worth. My Spanish is pretty good. Not perfect. I feel good about it.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2016, 07:59:26 PM
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"For what it's worth. My Spanish is pretty good. Not perfect. I feel good about it.

Good for brother. I have lived in Ecuador and Colombia and Peru, but my Spanish is minimal. I am a unilingual language dunce.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: RW on January 18, 2016, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: "Herman"Does anyone find it ironic that Westminster is debating whether to ban Trump because of anti Muslim bias while at the same time Cameron is introducing this?

England is confused.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2016, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Herman"Does anyone find it ironic that Westminster is debating whether to ban Trump because of anti Muslim bias while at the same time Cameron is introducing this?

England is confused.

Some Brits are aware of the confusion.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Bricktop on January 18, 2016, 08:31:20 PM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"From my experience, Canada would be empty in short order if that were the case.

This forum too. :laugh3:


Well, except for you and I...and sometimes I wonder about your literacy...



 ac_unsure
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2016, 08:35:45 PM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"From my experience, Canada would be empty in short order if that were the case.

This forum too. :laugh3:

 :t1929:
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Bricktop on January 18, 2016, 08:37:48 PM
You no speak Engrish, mainrander...speak mandalin, no understand big words.



Stoopid chink. Why you no speak Engrish???
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Rambo Wong on January 18, 2016, 08:44:43 PM
Holy Angelina Jolie, Chinese have been here since the gold rush and built the railroad. if it weren't for the racist twirlybrain Chinese exclusion act Canada would be a Chinese territory. Chinese should have equal status as English and French. I believe that Justin Trudeau will do the right thing and make Chinese a founding language and this is why I voted for him and if he doesn't then it is a betrayal of the Chinese people who worked hard to make this country great. Chinese is the future and English and French is a wrong colonial legacy that must be fixed.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: RW on January 18, 2016, 08:49:43 PM
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"You no speak Engrish, mainrander...speak mandalin, no understand big words.



Stoopid chink. Why you no speak Engrish???

You won't be talking smack when she eats your dog.



Just sayin'...
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2016, 09:03:02 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"You no speak Engrish, mainrander...speak mandalin, no understand big words.



Stoopid chink. Why you no speak Engrish???

You won't be talking smack when she eats your dog.



Just sayin'...

It's hot in Adelaide right now, so I'll be eating hot dog. YUM YUM!!
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Bricktop on January 18, 2016, 09:07:30 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"You no speak Engrish, mainrander...speak mandalin, no understand big words.



Stoopid chink. Why you no speak Engrish???

You won't be talking smack when she eats your dog.



Just sayin'...

It's hot in Adelaide right now, so I'll be eating hot dog. YUM YUM!!


Barbaric, uncivilised fucking mainlander.



Taiwan is going to kick your ass.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2016, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"You no speak Engrish, mainrander...speak mandalin, no understand big words.



Stoopid chink. Why you no speak Engrish???

You won't be talking smack when she eats your dog.



Just sayin'...

It's hot in Adelaide right now, so I'll be eating hot dog. YUM YUM!!


Barbaric, uncivilised fucking mainlander.



Taiwan is going to kick your ass.

Oh my Mr. Crowley.

 :ohmy:
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Bricktop on January 18, 2016, 11:18:15 PM
Taiwan and Australia. A strong alliance.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2016, 11:45:25 PM
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Taiwan and Australia. A strong alliance.

Taiwan traitors have their heads up the ass of any country where whites are the majority. Look at the lady in red here. Her motto is "if it's white it can only be right".
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2016, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Taiwan and Australia. A strong alliance.

Taiwan traitors have their heads up the ass of any country where whites are the majority. Look at the lady in red here. Her motto is "if it's white it can only be right".

 :001_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Bricktop on January 19, 2016, 07:52:43 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Taiwan and Australia. A strong alliance.

Taiwan traitors have their heads up the ass of any country where whites are the majority. Look at the lady in red here. Her motto is "if it's white it can only be right".


And she is right!!!
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 19, 2016, 08:46:14 PM
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Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Bricktop on January 19, 2016, 09:21:50 PM
Stoopid mainlander.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Rambo Wong on January 20, 2016, 08:18:14 PM
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"Holy Angelina Jolie, Chinese have been here since the gold rush and built the railroad. if it weren't for the racist twirlybrain Chinese exclusion act Canada would be a Chinese territory. Chinese should have equal status as English and French. I believe that Justin Trudeau will do the right thing and make Chinese a founding language and this is why I voted for him and if he doesn't then it is a betrayal of the Chinese people who worked hard to make this country great. Chinese is the future and English and French is a wrong colonial legacy that must be fixed.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2016, 08:22:15 PM
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"Holy Angelina Jolie, Chinese have been here since the gold rush and built the railroad. if it weren't for the racist twirlybrain Chinese exclusion act Canada would be a Chinese territory. Chinese should have equal status as English and French. I believe that Justin Trudeau will do the right thing and make Chinese a founding language and this is why I voted for him and if he doesn't then it is a betrayal of the Chinese people who worked hard to make this country great. Chinese is the future and English and French is a wrong colonial legacy that must be fixed.

Hello the other RW.

 ac_hithere
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: RW on January 22, 2016, 05:42:52 PM
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"Holy Angelina Jolie, Chinese have been here since the gold rush and built the railroad. if it weren't for the racist twirlybrain Chinese exclusion act Canada would be a Chinese territory. Chinese should have equal status as English and French. I believe that Justin Trudeau will do the right thing and make Chinese a founding language and this is why I voted for him and if he doesn't then it is a betrayal of the Chinese people who worked hard to make this country great. Chinese is the future and English and French is a wrong colonial legacy that must be fixed.

You're nucking futs dude.
Title: Re: Learn English or Else!
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2016, 06:24:57 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"
Quote from: "Rambo Wong"Holy Angelina Jolie, Chinese have been here since the gold rush and built the railroad. if it weren't for the racist twirlybrain Chinese exclusion act Canada would be a Chinese territory. Chinese should have equal status as English and French. I believe that Justin Trudeau will do the right thing and make Chinese a founding language and this is why I voted for him and if he doesn't then it is a betrayal of the Chinese people who worked hard to make this country great. Chinese is the future and English and French is a wrong colonial legacy that must be fixed.

You're nucking futs dude.

I wound not hold my breath waiting for any Chinese dialect becoming an official language.