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Last year was the earth's hottest in 136 years of record-keeping, NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Wednesday.
In two separate analyses, the agencies agreed that 2015 was a record-breaker. NASA found that 2015 was 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the late 19th century, while NOAA found 2015 was 1.62 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the 20th century average.
"Globally averaged temperatures in 2015 shattered the previous mark set in 2014 by 0.23 degrees Fahrenheit (0.13 Celsius)," NASA reported. "Only once before, in 1998, has the new record been greater than the old record by this much."
The previous hottest year, 2014, had an average global temperature of 58.24 degrees Fahrenheit. That was already 1.24 degrees above the 20th century average.
"Climate change is the challenge of our generation, and NASA's vital work on this important issue affects every person on Earth," NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said in a statement. "Today's announcement not only underscores how critical NASA's Earth observation program is, it is a key data point that should make policy makers stand up and take notice -- now is the time to act on climate."
//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/2015-hottest-year_us_568e9101e4b0a2b6fb6ef5eb
			 
			
			
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California  Taking On ExxonMobil's Climate Cover-Up
California's attorney general has joined New York state in investigating Exxon Mobil's decades-long climate change cover-up, probing what it knew about global warming, as well as what—and when—the oil giant disclosed to its shareholders and the public, according to the LA Times on Wednesday.
According to "a person close to the investigation," the office of Attorney General Kamala Harris is looking into "whether Exxon Mobil Corp. repeatedly lied to the public and its shareholders about the risk to its business from climate change—and whether such actions could amount to securities fraud and violations of environmental laws," the Times writes. 
Reporting in the fall of 2015 revealed that Exxon scientists and management knew since the late 1970s that the company's product was helping drive catastrophic global warming, and responded by spending millions to disseminate disinformation and fund climate denial campaigns. Environmentalist and 350.org co-founder Bill McKibben has described it as "the most consequential lie in human history."
And in November, New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman catapulted 'Exxon Knew' into "the category of truly serious scandals," as McKibben put it, by issuing the corporation an 18-page subpoena seeking four decades of documents, research findings, and communications related to climate change.
Meanwhile, earlier this week, a group of ExxonMobil shareholders urged the corporation to detail the resilience of its business model to climate change.
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Forget what global warming activists would lead you to believe – 2015 was not even close to the hottest year on record.
Satellite temperature readings going back to 1979 show 1998 was by far the warmest year in the satellite era, followed by 2010. 2015 comes in third. And these results are only for the period since 1979.
2015 should have been warmer. This past year saw what is likely the most powerful El Nino during the satellite temperature record. With a record El Nino, we should have experienced record high temperatures. Yet we didn't.
A record El Nino resulting in less-than-record temperatures is another sign that global warming is not all that activists crack it up to be. Indeed, if a record strong El Nino cannot bring global temperatures back to the warmth of 1998, what can – and when will that be? 18 years after 1998, global warming still has not created the runaway warming we were told to expect.

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Of course, it is not too difficult for activists to paint a picture of an exceptionally warm world – record El Nino or not – when they conveniently define "the record" as merely extending back to the late 1800s. Global warming activists do not extend "the record" back any further, they say, because it has only been since the late 1800s that we have had a global network of mercury thermometers. But we do have other reliable indicators of temperatures before the late 1800s, and the evidence shows temperatures have been warmer than today for most of the past several thousand years, including warmer-than-present temperatures for most of the human civilization time period.
Scientists measuring oxygen isotopes from ice cores drilled in Greenland and Antarctica (among other methods) report that temperatures were significantly warmer than today for most of the past 10,000 years. With the exception of the Little Ice Age, which lasted from approximately 1300-1850 and which almost ushered in a full-blown new ice age epoch, current temperatures remain cooler than almost all other time periods in human history.
So how do global warming activists get away with raising constant alarm and making such outrageous claims as 2015 being the hottest ever? The answer is misleading head-fakes, doctored temperature records, and a compliant media that is more than willing to push the agenda of global warming activists.
No, Virginia, 2015 was not the hottest year on record. In fact, it wasn't even close.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2016/01/14/2015-was-not-even-close-to-hottest-year-on-record/#2715e4857a0b56c68cd123c6
			 
			
			
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Forget what global warming activists would lead you to believe – 2015 was not even close to the hottest year on record.
Satellite temperature readings going back to 1979 show 1998 was by far the warmest year in the satellite era, followed by 2010. 2015 comes in third. And these results are only for the period since 1979.
2015 should have been warmer. This past year saw what is likely the most powerful El Nino during the satellite temperature record. With a record El Nino, we should have experienced record high temperatures. Yet we didn't.
A record El Nino resulting in less-than-record temperatures is another sign that global warming is not all that activists crack it up to be. Indeed, if a record strong El Nino cannot bring global temperatures back to the warmth of 1998, what can – and when will that be? 18 years after 1998, global warming still has not created the runaway warming we were told to expect.

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Of course, it is not too difficult for activists to paint a picture of an exceptionally warm world – record El Nino or not – when they conveniently define "the record" as merely extending back to the late 1800s. Global warming activists do not extend "the record" back any further, they say, because it has only been since the late 1800s that we have had a global network of mercury thermometers. But we do have other reliable indicators of temperatures before the late 1800s, and the evidence shows temperatures have been warmer than today for most of the past several thousand years, including warmer-than-present temperatures for most of the human civilization time period.
Scientists measuring oxygen isotopes from ice cores drilled in Greenland and Antarctica (among other methods) report that temperatures were significantly warmer than today for most of the past 10,000 years. With the exception of the Little Ice Age, which lasted from approximately 1300-1850 and which almost ushered in a full-blown new ice age epoch, current temperatures remain cooler than almost all other time periods in human history.
So how do global warming activists get away with raising constant alarm and making such outrageous claims as 2015 being the hottest ever? The answer is misleading head-fakes, doctored temperature records, and a compliant media that is more than willing to push the agenda of global warming activists.
No, Virginia, 2015 was not the hottest year on record. In fact, it wasn't even close.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2016/01/14/2015-was-not-even-close-to-hottest-year-on-record/#2715e4857a0b56c68cd123c6
			 
			
			
				Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate
http://il-rs.org.br/ingles/arquivos/NIPCC.pdf
			
			
			
				Why is this so difficult to measure and report on accurately?  I don't understand such a contrast in reporting....
			
			
			
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This makes 2015 the third warmest year globally (+0.27 deg C) in the satellite record (since 1979), behind 1998 (+0.48 deg C) and 2010 (+0.34 deg. C). Since 2016 should be warmer than 2015 with the current El Nino, there is a good chance 2016 will end up as a record warm year...it all depends upon how quickly El Nino wanes later in the year.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/01/uah-v6-global-temperature-update-for-dec-2015-0-44-deg-c/
			 
			
			
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Satellite Data Shows 2015 Wasn't Even Close To Being The Hottest Year On Record
http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/06/satellite-data-shows-2015-wasnt-even-close-to-being-the-hottest-year-on-record/
			 
			
			
				I don't know about you, but old El Nino has really cranked the thermostat up in Oz.
			
			
			
				NASA and NOAA are telling the truth, the deniers are lying and misleading.
See the graph Shen Li posted? It's based on "temperature departure from 1981 - 2010 average". It's cherry picking temperature variations. It's not showing actual temperature readings.
Why not show the actual temperatures? Because it looks like this:

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(NASA)
Shen Li and the deniers will tell you the Earth is cooling one day then tell you it's warming "but not caused by man" the next day. Why the confusion? Is it cooling or warming? They can't make up their minds because they're just winging it.
			 
			
			
				Shen Li, I moved all your politics threads into the right sub forum where it belongs..
Not all of use are interested in American partisan politics..
But then again I started a thread about Taiwanese politics..
 ac_umm 
Well anyway, we'll keep the threads about any changes in temperatures..
I know politics is involved in it, but in theory it is supposed to be scientific.
			
			
			
				Hw can anyone seriously say that a year is the hottest year' on record based on hundredths of a degree temperature difference. It's a fancy way of saying the global warming 'pause' is continuing. You would think temperatures would move more than they did considering what a strong El Nino year it has been.
And then collecting weather data has not been around for thousands of years. Even comparing 1970 to today is problematic.
I am not saying man does not contribute to climate. I believe it does. But, to say it never happened before is a lie. And the solutions governments are using to try and combat it are a waste of money.
			
			
			
				Why the fuck is an ignorant, lying, dunce like Dicaprio addressing the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland? He doesn't even know what a chinook is and he's lecturing international bodies?? The guy has a carbon footprint like 10 times bigger than the CEO's of Canada's top 5 energy companies combined and he calls corporations greedy?  :crazy: 
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Leo's done it again.
Shortly after tripping over his own tongue concerning Alberta's chinooks, Hollywood hotshot Leonardo DiCaprio is slamming the province's most precious resource.
And Alberta's oilpatch says it's time for a tutorial on the energy industry.
That's the word from the body lobbying for Canada's oilpatch in the wake of DiCaprio's condemning the energy sector as a greedy assassin of the world's climate.
"We simply cannot afford to let the corporate greed of the coal, oil and gas industries to determine the future of humanity," DiCaprio told an audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, Tuesday.
"Studies also show us those who deny climate change will become less economically successful."
DiCaprio also alluded to companies such as the then-Exxon, who are being investigated for allegedly covering up knowledge the firm unearthed 35 years ago their industry was contributing to climate change. But DiCaprio, who toured the oilsands while making his Oscar-nominated film The Revenant in Alberta, is ignoring environmental advances made in that industry, said Chelsie Klassen, spokeswoman for the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers.
"It clearly shows the lack of understanding of the oilsands," she said. "Since the 1990s, there's been a 30% decrease in the intensity of greenhouse gas emissions per barrel."
She said CAPP would gladly meet with DiCaprio to discuss climate change and the progress the industry has made.  
http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/01/21/leo-dicaprio-takes-another-shot-at-oil-industry
			 
			
			
				These dipshits need to fuck off already.  They'll happily pump Saudi fucking Arbia with terrorism money while lecturing us on environmental stewardship.
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So how does one deny that climate change is upon us and that 2015 was by far the hottest year on record? What misinformation will be disseminated to confuse the public?
One technique of denial involves "cherry-picking", best described as wilfully ignoring a mountain of inconvenient evidence in favour of a small molehill that serves a desired purpose. Cherry-picking is already in full swing in response to the record-breaking temperatures of 2015.
Political operatives such as James Taylor of the Heartland Institute – which once compared acceptance of the science of climate change to the Unabomber in an ill-fated billboard campaign – have already denied 2015 set a record by pointing to satellite data, which ostensibly shows no warming for the last umpteen years and which purportedly relegates 2015 to third place.
So what about the satellite data?
If you cannot remember when you last checked the satellites to decide whether to go for a picnic, that's probably because the satellites don't actually measure temperature. Instead, they measure the microwave emissions of oxygen molecules in very broad bands of the atmosphere, for example ranging from the surface to about 18km above the earth. Those microwave soundings are converted into estimates of temperature using highly-complex models.
There is nothing wrong with using models, such as those required to interpret satellite data, for their intended purpose – namely to detect a trend in temperatures at high altitudes, far away from the surface.
And if you just look at the surface-based climate data with your own eyes, then you will see that NASA, the US NOAA, the UK Met Office, the Berkeley Earth group, the Japan Meteorological Agency, and many other researchers around the world, all independently arrived at one consistent and certain end result – namely that 2015 was by far the hottest year globally since records began more than a century ago.
Enter denial strategy two: that if every scientific agency around the world agrees on global warming, they must be engaging in a conspiracy! Far from being an incidental ornament, conspiratorial thinking is central to denial. When a scientific fact has been as thoroughly examined as global warming being caused by greenhouse gases or the link between HIV and AIDS, then no contrary position can claim much intellectual or scholarly respectability because it is so overwhelmingly at odds with the evidence.
That's why politicians such as Republican Congressman Lamar Smith need to accuse the NOAA of having "altered the [climate] data to get the results they needed to advance this administration's extreme climate change agenda". If the evidence is against you, then it has to be manipulated by mysterious forces in pursuit of a nefarious agenda.
//http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/we-just-had-the-hottest-year-on-record-where-does-that-leave-climate-denial/
			 
			
			
				Without falling on either side of the argument, although 2015 did seem very hot to us, the problem with "cherry picking" the web is that there is a proliferation of web sites all proponents of various views and opinions, and these sites often get cited as a valid source.
Raw Story is not a valid source.
			
			
			
				Do you believe NASA, NOAA, the UK Met Office and the Japan Meteorological Agency are not valid sources?
			
			
			
				Unfortunately, alarmists look at the headline and not at the data.
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Land temperatures broke the all-time warmest record," said Thomas Karl, director of NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Information, adding that the record for warmest month was broken in 10 of the last 12 months.
However, Karl also stated that 2015 was not the hottest year in the lower troposphere, the lowest section of the Earth's atmosphere, despite what could be an historically strong El Nino causing warmer-than-average temperatures. 
According to satellite data that measures temperatures in the lower troposhere, 2015 was only the third warmest year on record, he said.
"We expected about 50 percent stronger response in the atmosphere because of El Nino," Karl told reporters, explaining that there was "very little response in the satellite and weather balloon data."
"There's no record in general in the lower atmosphere... but stay tuned for 2016," he said, explaining that "warmth occurs after the beginning of a subsequent calendar year."
Gavin Schmidt, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, concurred, adding that because 2016 started with "a very strong El Nino, we expect it to be an exceeding warm year."
An analysis of the satellite data by John Christy, director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama/Huntsville, and his colleague, Roy Spencer, also found that 2015 was just the third warmest year on record - behind 1998 and 2010.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/nasanoaa-2015-warmest-year-record-except-earths-lower-atmosphere

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Why the fuck is an ignorant, lying, dunce like Dicaprio addressing the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland? 
Is that true??
			 
			
			
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Why the fuck is an ignorant, lying, dunce like Dicaprio addressing the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland? 
Is that true??
Yep. He was calling other people greedy too just like he did when he addressed the UN. You see, it's ok for ultra-rich celebutards to live opulent lifestyles with massive carbon footprints, but if you take a couple of trips a year you are greedy.
			 
			
			
				That's a good, and serious question.
My simple answer is...I don't know.
There seems to be some doubt over the methodologies used to measure the temperature of the planet. Geologists debate that it cannot be measured by space based instruments. 
NASA claims it to be most accurate.
Yet so much doubt exists.
I won't argue with their conclusions, simply because I am completely unqualified to do so. I will agree, anecdotally, that this summer in Oz has been a searing bitch!!!
			
			
			
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Why the fuck is an ignorant, lying, dunce like Dicaprio addressing the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland? 
Is that true??
He makes movies, so of course the World Economic Forum wants him to speak.
			 
			
			
				You don't know if the world's foremost scientific and meteorological agencies are valid sources?
Do you know of any valid sources on this subject or are you just going with your gut feeling?
			
			
			
				Ten Years Ago This Week, Al Gore Gave The Earth Ten Years To Do What He Says
Ten grim (but highly profitable) years ago, Al Gore gave us all a deadline. Now we have to live with what we've done. Or, more precisely, what we haven't done. At least we won't have long to live with our regrets as a species.
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Former Vice President Al Gore is not all that comfortable being a star of the Sundance Film Festival. He's far more concerned that the celebrity watchers hear what he has to say.
The former vice president came to town for the premiere of "An Inconvenient Truth," a documentary chronicling what has become his crusade since losing the 2000 presidential election: Educating the masses that global warming is about to toast our ecology and our way of life...
And politicians and corporations have been ignoring the issue for decades, to the point that unless drastic measures to reduce greenhouse gases are taken within the next 10 years, the world will reach a point of no return, Gore said.
President of the Environment Al Gore did his best, but by his own metric, he has failed utterly. It's too late now. All his efforts have been for naught.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/26/ten-years-ago-this-week-al-gore-gave-the-earth-ten-years-to-do-what-he-says/

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There seems to be some doubt over the methodologies used to measure the temperature of the planet. Geologists debate that it cannot be measured by space based instruments. 
NASA claims it to be most accurate.
NOAA doesn't use space based instruments.  They most likely have the most complete and accurate database sets in the world for land and ocean temperatures.  NASA saying it is one thing, NOAA another, and both independently coming to the same conclusion using completely different methodologies...?
			 
			
			
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Ten Years Ago This Week, Al Gore Gave The Earth Ten Years To Do What He Says
Ten grim (but highly profitable) years ago, Al Gore gave us all a deadline. Now we have to live with what we've done. Or, more precisely, what we haven't done. At least we won't have long to live with our regrets as a species.
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Former Vice President Al Gore is not all that comfortable being a star of the Sundance Film Festival. He's far more concerned that the celebrity watchers hear what he has to say.
The former vice president came to town for the premiere of "An Inconvenient Truth," a documentary chronicling what has become his crusade since losing the 2000 presidential election: Educating the masses that global warming is about to toast our ecology and our way of life...
And politicians and corporations have been ignoring the issue for decades, to the point that unless drastic measures to reduce greenhouse gases are taken within the next 10 years, the world will reach a point of no return, Gore said.
President of the Environment Al Gore did his best, but by his own metric, he has failed utterly. It's too late now. All his efforts have been for naught.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/26/ten-years-ago-this-week-al-gore-gave-the-earth-ten-years-to-do-what-he-says/

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Last year was a strong El Nino year, no doubt about it. The first half of this year will be a continuation of last. Expect in January of 2017 there will be stats claiming this was the hottest year on record and man made activity is responsible for it.
			 
			
			
				What I want to know is why is there so much debate and skepticism around climate science?  It has a "the earth is flat" feel to it.
			
			
			
				^^One would think 2015 would be a warmer year than what is was when you consider how the strength of this El Nino.
			
			
			
				Because we're just SO over science.  Now is the golden age of the conspiracy theory.  NOAA and NASA?  They are in league with the lizardmen who want to take away my freedom to pour sufuric acid into my local streams and ponds!  This random graph I finded on the interwebz is the real source fo TRUTH!!11
			
			
			
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Because we're just SO over science.  Now is the golden age of the conspiracy theory.  NOAA and NASA?  They are in league with the lizardmen who want to take away my freedom to pour sufuric acid into my local streams and ponds!  This random graph I finded on the interwebz is the real source fo TRUTH!!11
Hello reel, it's nice to see you here again.
 ac_hithere
			 
			
			
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Because we're just SO over science.  Now is the golden age of the conspiracy theory.  NOAA and NASA?  They are in league with the lizardmen who want to take away my freedom to pour sufuric acid into my local streams and ponds!  This random graph I finded on the interwebz is the real source fo TRUTH!!11
I absolutely believe man is contributing at least to some degree to changes in climate. But, it's not the first time this has happened . The solutions proposed will solve nothing, but place a burden on working Canadians. There's nothing Canada can do to reverse any changes in the climate.
			 
			
			
				As part of an ecosystem we obviously have an impact on it.  I don't know why that's still even a debatable point.
			
			
			
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As part of an ecosystem we obviously have an impact on it.  I don't know why that's still even a debatable point.
With real pollution like soil erosion we can say with certainty exactly what man's impact is. But, with something like C02 we can't do that.
			 
			
			
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European Summers Are The Warmest They've Been In Two Millennia, Study Says
Since the turn of the century, most of Europe has experienced record-hot summer months that at times were deadly.
Just last year – now known as the world's hottest year on record — France had to take measures to prevent the catastrophe it experienced during the summer of 2003, when a heat wave killed between 15,000 and 19,000 people. Madrid and many German cities also set their all-time heat records. Even parts of the Arctic state of Sweden saw temperatures reach almost 90 degrees Fahrenheit last July.
These summer heat waves were called historic more than once. Yet following a new study of ancient climate published Thursday in Environmental Research Letters, scientists say we may have underestimated just how hot today's European summers are, compared to the region's history.
"The past 30 summers — 1986-2015 — were warmer than any other 30-year period since at least 138 BC," said Nick McKay, a researcher from the School of Earth Sciences and Environmental Sustainability at Northern Arizona University, in an email to ThinkProgress. McKay, who was not part of the study, added the study is "the most state-of-the-art" attempt to reconstruct European summer temperatures over the past 2,000 years.
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				Wasn't me but instead of bitching why don't you just edit it?
			
			
			
				I didn't bitch. I only asked why it was changed. It was the complete opposite from my original title.
			
			
			
				If I was to guess, maybe the thread Shen started with the exact opposite title got merged with yours and the janky forum software changed the title perhaps?
			
			
			
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Quote from: "RW"
As part of an ecosystem we obviously have an impact on it.  I don't know why that's still even a debatable point.
With real pollution like soil erosion we can say with certainty exactly what man's impact is. But, with something like C02 we can't do that.
Canadians are being lied to. Carbon taxes, any cuts we make to our C02 emissions, and expensive green energy initiatives will not alter climate. They will take a lot of money out of our pockets though. If there are changes in weather patterns either from El Nino, changes in sun spots or from man we adapt to it and move on. Why do we keep choosing the most expensive and useless solutuons,
			 
			
			
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Scientists are floored by what's happening in the Arctic right now

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New data from NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration suggest that January of 2016 was, for the globe, a truly extraordinary month. Coming off the hottest year ever recorded (2015), January saw the greatest departure from average of any month on record, according to data provided by NASA.
But as you can see in the NASA figure above, the record breaking heat wasn't uniformly distributed — it was particularly pronounced at the top of the world, showing temperature anomalies above 4 degrees Celsius (7.2 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than the 1951 to 1980 average in this region.
Global warming has long been known to be particularly intense in the Arctic — a phenomenon known as "Arctic amplification" — but even so, lately the phenomenon has been extremely pronounced.
This unusual Arctic heat has been accompanied by a new record low level for Arctic sea ice extent during the normally ice-packed month of January, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center — over 400,000 square miles below average for the month. And of course, that is closely tied to warm Arctic air temperatures.
"We've looked at the average January temperatures, and we look at what we call the 925 millibar level, about 3,000 feet up in the atmosphere," says Mark Serreze, the center's director. "And it was, I would say, absurdly warm across the entire Arctic Ocean." The center reports temperature anomalies at this altitude of "more than 6 degrees Celsius (13 degrees Fahrenheit) above average" for the month.
//https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/02/18/scientists-are-floored-by-whats-happening-in-the-arctic-right-now/
I found this article to be informative so I decided to post it.
			 
			
			
				Stop driving. Stop eating. Stop farting. Stop breathing
Buck up and do your part
			
			
			
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As part of an ecosystem we obviously have an impact on it.  I don't know why that's still even a debatable point.
With real pollution like soil erosion we can say with certainty exactly what man's impact is. But, with something like C02 we can't do that.
Canadians are being lied to. Carbon taxes, any cuts we make to our C02 emissions, and expensive green energy initiatives will not alter climate. They will take a lot of money out of our pockets though. If there are changes in weather patterns either from El Nino, changes in sun spots or from man we adapt to it and move on. Why do we keep choosing the most expensive and useless solutuons,
This is a bit naive.  Canadians are being lied to by NASA and NOAA?  To what end?  Green energy initiatives may be expensive now, but if we adopt them intelligently as an industry, that's a good thing for us and the cost will also gradually come down.  Carbon taxes in BC have demonstrably altered consumer energy consumption.  Alternatives create a great deal of innovation.  
How do you know that we keep choosing expensive and useless solutions?  I recently designed an LNG power plant with battery back-up for a class of ships that permits one of the two engines to be shut down throughout 90% of the operating profile.  It's around 30% fuel savings vs. keeping the second engine constantly at idle (otherwise required for safety) and will have an ROI of under 2 years.  It's only possible due to developments in battery technology driven by alternative energy research.  They are local transport ships, so the owner, if he so chooses can pass the fuel savings on to you.  Will that take money out of your pocket?
			 
			
			
				The word "intelligently" is important and that's where I start losing faith.
			
			
			
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The word "intelligently" is important and that's where I start losing faith.
Don't.  Many ideas are thrown around, researched by idealists and venture capitalists, or misrepresented by silly media, but the ones that make it through to application are, for the most part, intelligent.  If they weren't, no one would pay for them.
The BC Ferries fleet is converting to LNG.  I guarantee you that they would not be doing that purely as a PR move, yet it will substantially reduce their CO2 output.
			 
			
			
				I do worry because things start out as good ideas then get perverted by greed.
			
			
			
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I do worry because things start out as good ideas then get perverted by greed.
Mostly the good ideas get rejected by greed and we maintain the status quo.  The ones that go ahead are the good ideas that align with greed, but that doesn't necessarily make them perverted.  Watered down, less effective, slightly disappointing maybe but that's the idealogical purist in me speaking.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "reel"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "RW"
As part of an ecosystem we obviously have an impact on it.  I don't know why that's still even a debatable point.
With real pollution like soil erosion we can say with certainty exactly what man's impact is. But, with something like C02 we can't do that.
Canadians are being lied to. Carbon taxes, any cuts we make to our C02 emissions, and expensive green energy initiatives will not alter climate. They will take a lot of money out of our pockets though. If there are changes in weather patterns either from El Nino, changes in sun spots or from man we adapt to it and move on. Why do we keep choosing the most expensive and useless solutuons,
This is a bit naive.  Canadians are being lied to by NASA and NOAA?  To what end?  Green energy initiatives may be expensive now, but if we adopt them intelligently as an industry, that's a good thing for us and the cost will also gradually come down.  Carbon taxes in BC have demonstrably altered consumer energy consumption.  Alternatives create a great deal of innovation.  
How do you know that we keep choosing expensive and useless solutions?  I recently designed an LNG power plant with battery back-up for a class of ships that permits one of the two engines to be shut down throughout 90% of the operating profile.  It's around 30% fuel savings vs. keeping the second engine constantly at idle (otherwise required for safety) and will have an ROI of under 2 years.  It's only possible due to developments in battery technology driven by alternative energy research.  They are local transport ships, so the owner, if he so chooses can pass the fuel savings on to you.  Will that take money out of your pocket?
I think the Seoul brother nailed it. He's not saying no to alternative market solutions. I think he supports conservation and innovation.
If you take a look at the politics thread, you'll get an idea of what he and I are talking about. Is NASA saying if Canada has a carbon tax it will stop climate change. That's what our government plans to do.