THeBlueCashew

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "RW"What do you think takes more physical capability - building a cart or making a baby?



You claim women are the "weaker sex".  We are smaller and feeble, etc.  I won't argue that as pound for pound, that's generally true.  But what I want to know is if we are so fair and feeble, why, throughout the ages, have you controlled us, beaten us, raped us, mutilated us, murdered us, refused to educate us, denied us rights and even burned us at the stake?  Why are you so threatened by us?



We brought you into this world.  Is that what has driven fear into your little hearts?  That no matter what you build or destroy, you can never bear or sustain human life using just your bodies?  Are you frightened by our biological voodoo?

Every time men highlight their superiority in certain human characteristics, you dames chime in with "but we have the babies".



Wow.



For maybe twice, or three times...perhaps even four, you go through a few hours of labour, and proclaim yourself to be goddesses. It is the same claim people offer for multiculturalism...you get a variety of restaurants.



BFD.



Squeezing a baby out pales in comparison to digging ditches by hand in 40 degree heat...or -40 degree heat. Or laying a new roof in high winds and rain. Or laying 10,000 bricks in your new house. Pouring concrete. Welding shed frames. Laying pipes. Only men do it day in, day out.



Yes, having a baby is a moment of great physical duress...but get real. In the grand scheme of things, its a rare event in your life. One, I might add, that you submit to willingly, if not ravenously.



The world you live in is MAN made...and you need to respect that. Maybe then, you can have your silly and rather pointless "Women's Day".

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Try creating life without males.



If you CAN do these things, why DON'T you do these things?



Oh, wait...you need a war...

Quote from: "easter bunny"I have a theory - that Snow White and the seven (intellectual) dwarfs was based on a true story.   ac_unsure

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "easter bunny"I have a theory - that Snow White and the seven (intellectual) dwarfs was based on a true story.   ac_unsure

Wouldn't that be the 7 (intellectual) "dwarves"?  ac_unsure



Dork, Dummy, Dunce, Dipshit, Dopey, Doofus and Dinky?  :sneaky2:

Quote from: "easter bunny"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "easter bunny"I have a theory - that Snow White and the seven (intellectual) dwarfs was based on a true story.   ac_unsure

Wouldn't that be the 7 (intellectual) "dwarves"?  ac_unsure



Dork, Dummy, Dunce, Dipshit, Dopey, Doofus and Dinky?  :sneaky2:

I wasn't sure so I looked it up. Apparently dwarfs is correct.  ac_unsure

 :laugh:

Quote from: "easter bunny"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "easter bunny"I have a theory - that Snow White and the seven (intellectual) dwarfs was based on a true story.   ac_unsure

Wouldn't that be the 7 (intellectual) "dwarves"?  ac_unsure



Dork, Dummy, Dunce, Dipshit, Dopey, Doofus and Dinky?  :sneaky2:

I wasn't sure so I looked it up. Apparently dwarfs is correct.  ac_unsure

 :laugh:

Quote from: "RW"I was talking to Crow about women's equality in today's society.  Yes, we have the same rights afforded to us and yes, we are typically paid the same as men for the same work, but I argued that we still do not have the same opportunities for advancement afforded to us.  It was claimed that we aren't as good when it comes to management or leadership roles.  I claimed it was harder to climb corporate heirarchy due to things like the Old Boys Network.



Here's an article as promised Crow: http://www.academia.edu/330707/Exploring_the_Nature_of_the_Old_Boys_Network_In_the_United_States_Using_Electronic_Networks_of_Practice_to_Understand_Gendered_Issues_In_HRD_



Here's an article outright refuting your claim that we suck as leaders:

http://www.businessinsider.com/study-women-are-better-leaders-2014-1

Quote from: "RW"Funny, studies show the opposite of your OPINION.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "RW"Funny, studies show the opposite of your OPINION.

Your fucking fool of a boyfriend talks like a man with a paper ass. He seems to think that managerial expertise is something genetic rather than a learned skill. Nothing could be further from the truth. The long winded diatribe he just puked up like a testosterone laced hairball is his opinion and nothing more.



He seems to forget that middle management in business today is rife with male dominated incompetence; perpetrated by individuals who achieved their professional positions by having the ability to swing a golf club and kiss ass.



No matter how much he stamps his feet and throws his dung around in his cage, he cannot escape the fact that men dominate this world because they oppress and kill whatever they perceive as a threat to their ego. This has nothing to do with their innate ability or intelligence. All it takes is aggression and muscle.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "RW"Funny, studies show the opposite of your OPINION.

Your fucking fool of a boyfriend talks like a man with a paper ass. He seems to think that managerial expertise is something genetic rather than a learned skill. Nothing could be further from the truth. The long winded diatribe he just puked up like a testosterone laced hairball is his opinion and nothing more.



He seems to forget that middle management in business today is rife with male dominated incompetence; perpetrated by individuals who achieved their professional positions by having the ability to swing a golf club and kiss ass.



No matter how much he stamps his feet and throws his dung around in his cage, he cannot escape the fact that men dominate this world because they oppress and kill whatever they perceive as a threat to their ego. This has nothing to do with their innate ability or intelligence. All it takes is aggression and muscle.

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you employed by your husband's company?



Was that on merit?



By the way, before you start making assumptions, I do NOT regard any competency as genetic, nor gender based. However, I strongly believe that men and women are NOT identical, and that difference frequently manifests itself in how we behave in the community.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "RW"Funny, studies show the opposite of your OPINION.

Your fucking fool of a boyfriend talks like a man with a paper ass. He seems to think that managerial expertise is something genetic rather than a learned skill. Nothing could be further from the truth. The long winded diatribe he just puked up like a testosterone laced hairball is his opinion and nothing more.



He seems to forget that middle management in business today is rife with male dominated incompetence; perpetrated by individuals who achieved their professional positions by having the ability to swing a golf club and kiss ass.



No matter how much he stamps his feet and throws his dung around in his cage, he cannot escape the fact that men dominate this world because they oppress and kill whatever they perceive as a threat to their ego. This has nothing to do with their innate ability or intelligence. All it takes is aggression and muscle.

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you employed by your husband's company?



Was that on merit?



By the way, before you start making assumptions, I do NOT regard any competency as genetic, nor gender based. However, I strongly believe that men and women are NOT identical, and that difference frequently manifests itself in how we behave in the community.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "RW"Funny, studies show the opposite of your OPINION.

Your fucking fool of a boyfriend talks like a man with a paper ass. He seems to think that managerial expertise is something genetic rather than a learned skill. Nothing could be further from the truth. The long winded diatribe he just puked up like a testosterone laced hairball is his opinion and nothing more.



He seems to forget that middle management in business today is rife with male dominated incompetence; perpetrated by individuals who achieved their professional positions by having the ability to swing a golf club and kiss ass.



No matter how much he stamps his feet and throws his dung around in his cage, he cannot escape the fact that men dominate this world because they oppress and kill whatever they perceive as a threat to their ego. This has nothing to do with their innate ability or intelligence. All it takes is aggression and muscle.

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you employed by your husband's company?



Was that on merit?



By the way, before you start making assumptions, I do NOT regard any competency as genetic, nor gender based. However, I strongly believe that men and women are NOT identical, and that difference frequently manifests itself in how we behave in the community.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"On every application for the Australian Government public service, there is a question. "Are you an aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander"

Quote from: "RW"So to put it out, this is the unbiased study I presented to Crow about sexism:



http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/



In the hiring of a lab manager, people hiring were given identical information on an application - one with a male name and one with a female name.  The females were rated much lower in hireability and competence.  They were also offered almost $4,000 less a year as a starting wage than their male counterparts.



"When scientists judged the female applicants more harshly, they did not use sexist reasoning to do so. Instead, they drew upon ostensibly sound reasons to justify why they would not want to hire her: she is not competent enough."



Sound familiar Crow?



"We are not talking about equality of outcomes here; this result shows bias thwarts equality of opportunity."



This ^^^ too should sound familiar because it's EXACTLY what I've been saying.  





http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "RW"So to put it out, this is the unbiased study I presented to Crow about sexism:



http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/



In the hiring of a lab manager, people hiring were given identical information on an application - one with a male name and one with a female name.  The females were rated much lower in hireability and competence.  They were also offered almost $4,000 less a year as a starting wage than their male counterparts.



"When scientists judged the female applicants more harshly, they did not use sexist reasoning to do so. Instead, they drew upon ostensibly sound reasons to justify why they would not want to hire her: she is not competent enough."



Sound familiar Crow?



"We are not talking about equality of outcomes here; this result shows bias thwarts equality of opportunity."



This ^^^ too should sound familiar because it's EXACTLY what I've been saying.  





http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/

I have heard the claims about women making 72 cents for every buck men make in Canada. However, I work in an extremely male dominated field and I have never experienced any such discrimination...and I'm also a visible minority.

Quote from: "RW"How do you know Shen?  Do you ask what your counterparts make an hour?  Do you know if you are overlooked for promotions or viewed as less competent than the guys you work with?

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "RW"How do you know Shen?  Do you ask what your counterparts make an hour?  Do you know if you are overlooked for promotions or viewed as less competent than the guys you work with?

I know because I AM management. We have a pay scale based on a combination of credentials and experience.



If anything, you should be asking have I ever discriminated against white males for promotion or salary. The answer of course is YES to both!!

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "RW"So to put it out, this is the unbiased study I presented to Crow about sexism:



http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/



In the hiring of a lab manager, people hiring were given identical information on an application - one with a male name and one with a female name.  The females were rated much lower in hireability and competence.  They were also offered almost $4,000 less a year as a starting wage than their male counterparts.



"When scientists judged the female applicants more harshly, they did not use sexist reasoning to do so. Instead, they drew upon ostensibly sound reasons to justify why they would not want to hire her: she is not competent enough."



Sound familiar Crow?



"We are not talking about equality of outcomes here; this result shows bias thwarts equality of opportunity."



This ^^^ too should sound familiar because it's EXACTLY what I've been saying.  





http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/

I have heard the claims about women making 72 cents for every buck men make in Canada. However, I work in an extremely male dominated field and I have never experienced any such discrimination...and I'm also a visible minority.

Have any of the ladies here ever experienced wage or hiring discrimination?



I haven't, but I have never worked in a professional capacity.

Quote from: "RW"So to put it out, this is the unbiased study I presented to Crow about sexism:



http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/unofficial-prognosis/study-shows-gender-bias-in-science-is-real-heres-why-it-matters/

Quote from: "RW"You're the very kind of person who perpetuates myths about female ability and competency.  You reguritard decades of absolute garbage and until your type learns to think for himself rather than being an insecure sheep, this bullshit will continue.



This debate is over #3.



3) Figure 2 is misleading because the y-axis does not start at zero. Therefore, I will reject everything else exposed by this study.



I KNEW you were going to pull the female card, which also happens to demonstrate EXACTLY what this study is saying.  It's invalid because a woman lead the study.  That says a woman is incapable of conducting a study on sexism.  If the person doing the study was a man, it would be valid?  You have used the very point you are trying to debunk to try to make yours and I suspect you might be too dense to even see it.



You've just had your ass handed to you Crow.  Take it like a man.

Quote from: "RW"I KNEW you were going to pull the female card, which also happens to demonstrate EXACTLY what this study is saying.  It's invalid because a woman lead the study.  That says a woman is incapable of conducting a study on sexism.  If the person doing the study was a man, it would be valid?  You have used the very point you are trying to debunk to try to make yours and I suspect you might be too dense to even see it.



You're the very kind of person who perpetuates myths about female ability and competency.  You reguritard decades of absolute garbage and until your type learns to think for himself rather than being an insecure sheep, this bullshit will continue.



This debate is over #3.



3) Figure 2 is misleading because the y-axis does not start at zero. Therefore, I will reject everything else exposed by this study.



You've just had your ass handed to you Crow.  Take it like a man.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "RW"I KNEW you were going to pull the female card, which also happens to demonstrate EXACTLY what this study is saying.  It's invalid because a woman lead the study.  That says a woman is incapable of conducting a study on sexism.  If the person doing the study was a man, it would be valid?  You have used the very point you are trying to debunk to try to make yours and I suspect you might be too dense to even see it.



You're the very kind of person who perpetuates myths about female ability and competency.  You reguritard decades of absolute garbage and until your type learns to think for himself rather than being an insecure sheep, this bullshit will continue.



This debate is over #3.



3) Figure 2 is misleading because the y-axis does not start at zero. Therefore, I will reject everything else exposed by this study.



You've just had your ass handed to you Crow.  Take it like a man.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Yeah, like YOU wouldn't like that "limp" wrist holding YOUR hand.



Green doesn't suit you buttercup.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"I don't need balls, when you display your idiocy for all to see.



Bias, discrimination and prejudice are part of the human condition. It ebbs and flows, and sways from side to side...but there is no doubt that in modern enlightened countries, female are the equivalent of males in all respects...as they should be.



That does NOT mean they have the same skills, aptitude and characteristics as males. We ARE different.



And discrimination now moves in the opposite direction...it is men that are being isolated and repressed.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Yeah, like YOU wouldn't like that "limp" wrist holding YOUR hand.



Green doesn't suit you buttercup.

Eeeew,  :beurk:



To be honest, I'd rather have my hand slammed in a car door.

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"I don't need balls, when you display your idiocy for all to see.



Bias, discrimination and prejudice are part of the human condition. It ebbs and flows, and sways from side to side...but there is no doubt that in modern enlightened countries, female are the equivalent of males in all respects...as they should be.



That does NOT mean they have the same skills, aptitude and characteristics as males. We ARE different.



And discrimination now moves in the opposite direction...it is men that are being isolated and repressed.

This just keeps getting more ridiculous.



I've made my point very clear and supported it.  You've supported it even further not only with your own attitude but with your posted research article.



Better luck next time, slappy.

Quote from: "RW"I've proved men haven't evolved far past knuckle dragging.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"What we evolve into?



Women?



Yeah, that might work. The entire population of the planet tearing their throats out because of total pre-menstrual tension.



All the world's media filled entirely with the current antics of celebrities, the latest diet scams and recipes nobody ever uses.



The most lucrative business to be in would be selling Kleenex, or shoes. A female inventor would come up with a way of combining both...developing a wedge heel that is also a tissue dispenser.



Human civilisation would be one giant bitch fest and fashion show.



Good luck with that.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Honey, if you idiots want to spend your hard earned on gossip magazines, $2000 handbags and dresses the celebrities wear, we are only to willing to accommodate your shallow and vapid lust in return for a healthy profit.



Darwin's Law, baby. The strong survive...the weak go shopping. And we know how you all looooove shopping.

Quote from: "CristinAldrete"happy happy! :yahoo: i had a metal detecting trip to the beach. nice trip!

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Honey, if you idiots want to spend your hard earned on gossip magazines, $2000 handbags, preposterous, outrageously priced footwear and dresses the celebrities wear, we are only to willing to accommodate your shallow and vapid lust in return for a healthy profit.



Darwin's Law, baby. The strong survive...the weak go shopping. And we know how you all looooove shopping.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"See!!



I'll bet dollars to donuts that Renee likes nothing more than to wander the mall, her glazed and lust filled eyes scanning clothes stores and shoe shops for the latest fashion fad, and a quick look at the bargain bin...you know...just in case. I can see her eyes gleam as a shoe salesMAN brings out some horridly carved and shaped hoof for her perusal and tryout.



"Do you think these heels make my ass look big?'

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "RW"I've proved men haven't evolved far past knuckle dragging.

Men can generally be classified as an evolutionary dead end. There primative aggressive behavior and their overall lack of empathy for their own kind and their steadfast refusal to evolve emotionally, has pretty much doomed us all.



The truly the sad part is that it's not that men can't evolve, it's that they won't. :sad:

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"See!!



I'll bet dollars to donuts that Renee likes nothing more than to wander the mall, her glazed and lust filled eyes scanning clothes stores and shoe shops for the latest fashion fad, and a quick look at the bargain bin...you know...just in case. I can see her eyes gleam as a shoe salesMAN brings out some horridly carved and shaped hoof for her perusal and tryout.



"Do you think these heels make my ass look big?'

WTF is your point?

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Fuck you.



No-one who knows me would EVER accuse me of sexism.



Read into that what you will.

Quote from: "RW"Construction seems to have the same issues as science.



"Women in the construction industry has remained shockingly low—under 3 percent—for decades, due in large part to the discrimination that blocks women from entering and staying in the field.  Sexual harassment and hostility, lack of mentors, and stereotyped assumptions about women's capabilities all contribute to the problem."



http://nwlc.org/resources/women-construction-still-breaking-ground/

Quote from: "RW"Construction seems to have the same issues as science.



"Women in the construction industry has remained shockingly low—under 3 percent—for decades, due in large part to the discrimination that blocks women from entering and staying in the field.  Sexual harassment and hostility, lack of mentors, and stereotyped assumptions about women's capabilities all contribute to the problem."



http://nwlc.org/resources/women-construction-still-breaking-ground/

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "RW"Construction seems to have the same issues as science.



"Women in the construction industry has remained shockingly low—under 3 percent—for decades, due in large part to the discrimination that blocks women from entering and staying in the field.  Sexual harassment and hostility, lack of mentors, and stereotyped assumptions about women's capabilities all contribute to the problem."



http://nwlc.org/resources/women-construction-still-breaking-ground/

Why do you keep citing American studies?



You live in Canada.



Why not cite studies in Saudi Arabia? Yemen?



We KNOW, and I have told you directly, that as usual the US lags behind the rest of the world. Cherry picking US studies that relate to very specific industries merely tells us that there are spot fires of ignorance and failure to comply with legislation.



You may as well say its not safe to walk the streets where you live because of all the rapes in Somalia.



I notice you don't cite discrimination against men in nursing, education, public relations, law, accounting and other fields, including politics.



Just selective and isolated examples of residual male resentment.



Its a typical feminist/leftist tactic to take an issue, find an isolated example, and then extrude that example to claim its the norm.



Pathetic.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"You women are asking for a complete reversal of human social behaviour established over centuries in the historic blink of an eye.



You whine about these holdout industries, or even smaller samples, while utterly failing to recognise the enormous changes already implemented such as affirmative action, female quotas and areas where females have reversed the discrimination.



Where do you get the idea that this world is perfect.



There will be examples of failure (although they seem to centred on one nation). If I were a construction worker, I'd be leery of bringing females into a male dominated social as well as vocational group, because there is a certain amount of physicality required, and men have been used to acting in a way that females would not enjoy.



You fail to mention how many females want to work in the construction industry. I'll bet the number of aspirants represent less than 1% of applications to become tradespeople. If that number increased, change would also increase in pace.



But no...pick a "paper" and say "There, I told you so" just like Romero.

Quote from: "RW"Why are women's claims of workplace sexism constantly brushed aside?



Women have been making a fuss again. The past few weeks have seen a spate of headlines about workplace sexism, from a soprano being judged on her body shape instead of her singing, to a row over sexism in football, to the sudden departure of Jill Abramson from the New York Times amid controversial claims of gender bias and unequal pay. (The claims are denied by publisher Arthur Sulzberger).



The stories are by no means unusual – the sexism faced by professional women seems to be hitting the headlines with ever-increasing frequency. Yet despite the emergence of an undeniably striking pattern, the response of dismissal, denial and disbelief persists.



Women allege that they experienced unwanted touching and sexual advances while working in politics. Commentators respond that they are oversensitive, "making a fuss about nothing" and should have been able to cope with it. A prime minister calls out the extreme sexist abuse she has faced on a regular basis during her time in office. Commentators accuse her of playing "the victim card". Richard Scudamore's emails are roundly criticised by women in sport, with Heather Rabbatts, chair of the FA's Inclusion Advisory Board, warning of "growing evidence of a closed culture of sexism". The largely middle-aged white men in charge of the Premier League investigate and declare there is: "No other evidence of wider discriminatory attitudes or inappropriate language or a general attitude of disrespect to women."

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Knock yourself out.



In my country, all pay is equal, discrimination is unlawful, and women have been elected prime minister.



Nit pick all you want. I would never deny there is still a way to go, but as with all zealots, you fail to see the wood for the trees.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Are you calling Rom a pussy???



 ac_toofunny

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Knock yourself out.



In my country, all pay is equal, discrimination is unlawful, and women have been elected prime minister.



Nit pick all you want. I would never deny there is still a way to go, but as with all zealots, you fail to see the wood for the trees.

That means sexism doesn't exist then.  LOL!  Even you yourself claim women are less competent in areas than men citing leadership in our discussion.  That's a sexist attitude and it's one that's shared amoung men and women.  Until out dated thinking like that stops, sexism will exist whether it's legislated or not.

Quote from: "RW"Fuck you we don't want to earn it.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "RW"Fuck you we don't want to earn it.

Case closed.



 :deadhorse:

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"See, this is how these stories are utter bullshit.



Women fail in male dominated vocations, and its the male's fault. Not theirs. Not their inability to operate in a hard, laborious and strenuous work environment. Nope. Men. Men who purportedly bully and harass, when they are probably trying to direct and guide females in tasks where lives are at risk. Where physical strength is essential. Where male aptitude flourishes.



And then they cite the saying "Ducks on the pond" when a female enters.



What fucking garbage. "Ducks on the pond" was male "code" for a female entering an all male domain, warning them to kerb their language lest they offend.



Nothing more.



Now, you want to see some discrimination? Apply for a job in a child day care centre as a male. See how many responses you get.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"So stereotyping males is OK, but its not OK to stereotype females.



Isn't that sexism.



I'm sorry, but your fatuous attempt to single out spot fires where some males haven't got the message (allegedly, I might point out) will not detract from the reality that in the vast majority of industries and employment, women get treated and paid equally.



You still seem unwilling to address the reverse discrimination in areas such as the public service, education, health and child care.



Oh, wait. You did. My mistake. Men are child molesters.

Quote from: "Renee"Yeah because attitudes and remarks like this which are all too common, are due to the "failure of women" in the workplace.



"THE DEAL: A female construction manager recalls a colleague's 'I want to fuck you' remark"



Somebody stuff a sock in that old relic's mouth. What an ancient piece of shit that old crow is and his attitude reflects it. It's a God damn travesty that in this day and age his kind of attitude still exists. :mad:

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"I look forward.



And you know there will never be a day men aren't discriminated against...but don't stop trying...

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"How many movie villains are males, as opposed to females?

QuoteHow often are males portrayed as bumbling buffoons, especially juxtaposed alongside a savvy, wise and always correct female?

QuoteHow many males are the victims of violence, compared to females (including so-called 'domestic' violence)?

QuoteHow many men have been ignored or overlooked on the basis of "affirmative action", one of the most flawed social policies yet devised?

QuoteThe discrimination against women, as I have stated, arose from the social, cultural and environmental imperatives of history; it was not programmed or deliberate...it simply evolved. That does not make it right, but it does mitigate against the proposal that men have deliberately set out to demean females.

QuoteBut now we experience deliberate, purposeful and malignant discrimination. That is not something women have suffered. Men are villified, insulted, demeaned and abused on a regular basis due to stereotyping, and it has to stop.

QuoteAnd if that means standing up to "feminism" and its conflagatory principles, I'm only to happy to do so.

Quote from: "RW"I don't believe in discrimination against males.  If you are basing the rest of your crap on the premise, you're off on the wrong foot.

Quote from: "keeper"This "argument" is absolutely retarded!!!!



I think we all have seen discrimination in one form or another for both males and females to some degree, i do know females get it more than males but we have it too. And truth be told it happen to me and to the females where i worked.



I have to say that women do get the shitty end of the stick though. BUT!!! to tell you a short story in my experience.



 I had trained a lady to do the same job i had done and when it was time for me to take holidays or if i was sick she would "do my job" BUT!!! she was never paid the same wage, i want to add that i have been doing that kind of job for over 23 years so i dont think my employer was ready to give someone the same wage for the same work with little experience. So in that situation i think it was fair for her to have to work up to that wage even though she was doing the same duties as i was.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"And again...



ONE incident, in which the offender was duly punished, and you fly your feminist flag.



How many times must I repeat that there are clearly areas that require improvement. But I again repeat that you are looking at spot fires and declaring a national emergency.



I would have thought $1.3M would signify that behaviour as described is not tolerated. What else would you like? A beheading?



Justice was done. When do males get their justice served?

Quote from: "RW"I think it's supposed to read that in his opinion it was discriminatory and hostile.



Could you imagine going into a building and having your fellow fight fighters refuse to turn the water on?!  WTF kind of evil shit is that?!?

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "keeper"This "argument" is absolutely retarded!!!!



I think we all have seen discrimination in one form or another for both males and females to some degree, i do know females get it more than males but we have it too. And truth be told it happen to me and to the females where i worked.



I have to say that women do get the shitty end of the stick though. BUT!!! to tell you a short story in my experience.



 I had trained a lady to do the same job i had done and when it was time for me to take holidays or if i was sick she would "do my job" BUT!!! she was never paid the same wage, i want to add that i have been doing that kind of job for over 23 years so i dont think my employer was ready to give someone the same wage for the same work with little experience. So in that situation i think it was fair for her to have to work up to that wage even though she was doing the same duties as i was.

Where were you discriminated in this story?

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Quote from: "keeper"This "argument" is absolutely retarded!!!!



I think we all have seen discrimination in one form or another for both males and females to some degree, i do know females get it more than males but we have it too. And truth be told it happen to me and to the females where i worked.



I have to say that women do get the shitty end of the stick though. BUT!!! to tell you a short story in my experience.



 I had trained a lady to do the same job i had done and when it was time for me to take holidays or if i was sick she would "do my job" BUT!!! she was never paid the same wage, i want to add that i have been doing that kind of job for over 23 years so i dont think my employer was ready to give someone the same wage for the same work with little experience. So in that situation i think it was fair for her to have to work up to that wage even though she was doing the same duties as i was.

Where were you discriminated in this story?

I didn't add my story. I added the females

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Quote from: "keeper"This "argument" is absolutely retarded!!!!



I think we all have seen discrimination in one form or another for both males and females to some degree, i do know females get it more than males but we have it too. And truth be told it happen to me and to the females where i worked.



I have to say that women do get the shitty end of the stick though. BUT!!! to tell you a short story in my experience.



 I had trained a lady to do the same job i had done and when it was time for me to take holidays or if i was sick she would "do my job" BUT!!! she was never paid the same wage, i want to add that i have been doing that kind of job for over 23 years so i dont think my employer was ready to give someone the same wage for the same work with little experience. So in that situation i think it was fair for her to have to work up to that wage even though she was doing the same duties as i was.

Where were you discriminated in this story?

I didn't add my story. I added the females

So where's your sexism story?

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Quote from: "RW"I think it's supposed to read that in his opinion it was discriminatory and hostile.



Could you imagine going into a building and having your fellow fight fighters refuse to turn the water on?!  WTF kind of evil shit is that?!?

That's men and their attitude toward women.



Let's face facts, what's the number one danger to women in this world.....I'll give you one guess and it ain't climate change.

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Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "RW"I think it's supposed to read that in his opinion it was discriminatory and hostile.



Could you imagine going into a building and having your fellow fight fighters refuse to turn the water on?!  WTF kind of evil shit is that?!?

That's men and their attitude toward women.



Let's face facts, what's the number one danger to women in this world.....I'll give you one guess and it ain't climate change.

See what I mean?



Anti-male rhetoric, but that doesn't count.



This attitude confronts males at every level. Now, coming from a bucket mouthed moron who is not only stupid but American as well, we can dismiss it as just another emotive outburst of the ignorant, as is the American way.



We may also speculate that marital disharmony underpins her jaundiced view.  



What it demonstrates very clerly, however, is that standing up to feminist bullying typically invokes the sort of empty headed vituperations you see above, rather than engaging in a sensible discussion.



Feminism has no interest in dialogue. Only dispute and confrontation.

Quote from: "RW"Divorce proceedings have DRASTICALLY changed over the years and it's common to see joint custody granted except in rare circumstances that usually involves abuse (physical, sexual, substance).  It changed because it was unfair to fathers...well those that want anything to do with their kids in the first place.



Great strides have be made in terms of paternal rights yet men are still shitting in women's work boots.  Why is that?

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Honey, I can see why you would think that way. Around you, any male would be reduced to a primal, screaming rage.



That's what ignorance does. It infuriates its victims.



Lets talk about Family Court matters...



""I have had countless male clients say they feel they are unfairly painted as the bad guy in every step of the separation or shared parenting process. They certainly feel there's a lack of balance in family law proceedings.



"From my perspective as a family lawyer I am very aware of a perceived attitude against men during divorce and custody negotiations which manifests in every step of the process, even in the Family Court.



"There's an obsession with the "child attachment theory" which holds that children prefer to be with their mums as the primary carer and the courts tend to agree with this view.



"Half of the people in a heterosexual relationship undergoing a divorce/ separation process are men, yet our popular culture focuses only on the woman's issues. We need to get back to a fair balance.



"Male clients feel they are regarded as the bad guy and someone who should pay for whatever caused the relationship to break down, no matter whose fault it may be."



It is well known and documented that Family Courts discriminate against males.



Now, I admit I'm writing volumes...but if the best you have to offer is moronic outburst of man-hate that merely underscores the point I am making, why not just go post some musical videos.



At least in that thread you are actually contributing SOMETHING.

Quote from: "RW"You asked why women got custody more?  Because studies at the time said children were better off staying with their mothers.  The research has changed and the courts have responded.



Do you know what Crow?  I'm tired of reading your bullshit excuses for why men behave badly towards women in the workplace.  They aren't valid reasons for treating women like shit.  The women on these work sites have the same training and have to demonstrate the SAME physical abilities.  



STOP BLAMING WOMEN FOR THE BAD BEHAVIOUR OF MEN.



Stupid assholes who shit in women's boots need to be SACKED and made a fucking example of.  No more excuses for these fuckers.

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So now we are reduced to pirating quotes from Facebook to bolster your outdated opinions? And from the "Father's Rights Movement" no less.  :laugh3: Not too biased is it?????? Yeah, shithead keep railing about feminism. :laugh3: I guess since we put too much stock in academia, Facebook is the way to go.  :laugh3:



You really are an old fool. I almost feel sorry for you......almost. Unfortunately for you I really do enjoy exposing you for the "know nothing" douche bag that you really are.



Why don't you go back to starting threads comparing the membership to bottle caps or garden tools or some other fluff shit like that? An old clown like you needs to be entertaining to be worth keeping around.



BTW, even if your post is a desperate attempt at proving your bankrupt opinion....at least have the academic integrity to cite it properly. Or are you trying to pass that pile of horseshit off as your own personal experience? Given the fact that all you have is your shriveled dick to hold onto in this debate; I wouldn't put it past you to use deception to further your cause.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "RW"You asked why women got custody more?  Because studies at the time said children were better off staying with their mothers.  The research has changed and the courts have responded.



Do you know what Crow?  I'm tired of reading your bullshit excuses for why men behave badly towards women in the workplace.  They aren't valid reasons for treating women like shit.  The women on these work sites have the same training and have to demonstrate the SAME physical abilities.  



STOP BLAMING WOMEN FOR THE BAD BEHAVIOUR OF MEN.



Stupid assholes who shit in women's boots need to be SACKED and made a fucking example of.  No more excuses for these fuckers.

POINT TO ANY POST WHERE I BLAME WOMEN FOR MISCONDUCT DIRECTED TOWARDS THEM BY MALES!!!

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "Renee"


So now we are reduced to pirating quotes from Facebook to bolster your outdated opinions? And from the "Father's Rights Movement" no less.  :laugh3: Not too biased is it?????? Yeah, shithead keep railing about feminism. :laugh3: I guess since we put too much stock in academia, Facebook is the way to go.  :laugh3:



You really are an old fool. I almost feel sorry for you......almost. Unfortunately for you I really do enjoy exposing you for the "know nothing" douche bag that you really are.



Why don't you go back to starting threads comparing the membership to bottle caps or garden tools or some other fluff shit like that? An old clown like you needs to be entertaining to be worth keeping around.



BTW, even if your post is a desperate attempt at proving your bankrupt opinion....at least have the academic integrity to cite it properly. Or are you trying to pass that pile of horseshit off as your own personal experience? Given the fact that all you have is your shriveled dick to hold onto in this debate; I wouldn't put it past you to use deception to further your cause.

Listen, you rancid bag of rotting rat crap, there are no quotes from Facebook. Here's the source.



http://www.qt.com.au/news/are-family-law-courts-biased-against-men/2720932/



At least I start threads, rather than lurk in the shadows waiting for a chance to jump in, feet first, and spew your bile rather than actually discuss.



Your schtick grows ever older. "I haven't got an original thought in my empty head, so I'll just abuse people I disagree with".



You talk so much shit, I bet you'd engage a proctologist if you needed a tonsilectomy.



Unlike you, I put my views on the line, disregarding the asinine and desperate disparagements you offer that typify the tantrum of a 6 year old with ADD. At least they would have an excuse. The last time you offered a post that was remotely interesting and worth the three seconds it took to read was when you declared you were leaving...again.



You've got the staying power of a fucking Syrian.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "Renee"


So now we are reduced to pirating quotes from Facebook to bolster your outdated opinions? And from the "Father's Rights Movement" no less.  :laugh3: Not too biased is it?????? Yeah, shithead keep railing about feminism. :laugh3: I guess since we put too much stock in academia, Facebook is the way to go.  :laugh3:



You really are an old fool. I almost feel sorry for you......almost. Unfortunately for you I really do enjoy exposing you for the "know nothing" douche bag that you really are.



Why don't you go back to starting threads comparing the membership to bottle caps or garden tools or some other fluff shit like that? An old clown like you needs to be entertaining to be worth keeping around.



BTW, even if your post is a desperate attempt at proving your bankrupt opinion....at least have the academic integrity to cite it properly. Or are you trying to pass that pile of horseshit off as your own personal experience? Given the fact that all you have is your shriveled dick to hold onto in this debate; I wouldn't put it past you to use deception to further your cause.

Listen, you rancid bag of rotting rat crap, there are no quotes from Facebook. Here's the source.



http://www.qt.com.au/news/are-family-law-courts-biased-against-men/2720932/



At least I start threads, rather than lurk in the shadows waiting for a chance to jump in, feet first, and spew your bile rather than actually discuss.



Your schtick grows ever older. "I haven't got an original thought in my empty head, so I'll just abuse people I disagree with".



You talk so much shit, I bet you'd engage a proctologist if you needed a tonsilectomy.



Unlike you, I put my views on the line, disregarding the asinine and desperate disparagements you offer that typify the tantrum of a 6 year old with ADD. At least they would have an excuse. The last time you offered a post that was remotely interesting and worth the three seconds it took to read was when you declared you were leaving...again.



You've got the staying power of a fucking Syrian.

Nice try shit for brains, keep quoting opinion pieces that have links to facebook; here's where you can also find your quoted bullshit.



//https://m.facebook.com/Fathers4kids/posts/1042671925763299



Sorry if I embarrassed you by pointing out your blatant stupidity and intellectual laziness. The fact is, throughout this entire debate you have railed against legitimate academia but yet you hang your hat on dubious sources that have their basis solely in opinion.  :nea:



You're a fucking joke and to think I once considered you almost worthy of my respect. WTF was I thinking?



Thanks for letting me slap you around again, Skippy.  I'll leave you alone to sulk now.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "Renee"


So now we are reduced to pirating quotes from Facebook to bolster your outdated opinions? And from the "Father's Rights Movement" no less.  :laugh3: Not too biased is it?????? Yeah, shithead keep railing about feminism. :laugh3: I guess since we put too much stock in academia, Facebook is the way to go.  :laugh3:



You really are an old fool. I almost feel sorry for you......almost. Unfortunately for you I really do enjoy exposing you for the "know nothing" douche bag that you really are.



Why don't you go back to starting threads comparing the membership to bottle caps or garden tools or some other fluff shit like that? An old clown like you needs to be entertaining to be worth keeping around.



BTW, even if your post is a desperate attempt at proving your bankrupt opinion....at least have the academic integrity to cite it properly. Or are you trying to pass that pile of horseshit off as your own personal experience? Given the fact that all you have is your shriveled dick to hold onto in this debate; I wouldn't put it past you to use deception to further your cause.

Listen, you rancid bag of rotting rat crap, there are no quotes from Facebook. Here's the source.



http://www.qt.com.au/news/are-family-law-courts-biased-against-men/2720932/



At least I start threads, rather than lurk in the shadows waiting for a chance to jump in, feet first, and spew your bile rather than actually discuss.



Your schtick grows ever older. "I haven't got an original thought in my empty head, so I'll just abuse people I disagree with".



You talk so much shit, I bet you'd engage a proctologist if you needed a tonsilectomy.



Unlike you, I put my views on the line, disregarding the asinine and desperate disparagements you offer that typify the tantrum of a 6 year old with ADD. At least they would have an excuse. The last time you offered a post that was remotely interesting and worth the three seconds it took to read was when you declared you were leaving...again.



You've got the staying power of a fucking Syrian.

Nice try shit for brains, keep quoting opinion pieces that have links to facebook; here's where you can also find your quoted bullshit.



//https://m.facebook.com/Fathers4kids/posts/1042671925763299



Sorry if I embarrassed you by pointing out your blatant stupidity and intellectual laziness. The fact is, throughout this entire debate you have railed against legitimate academia but yet you hang your hat on dubious sources that have their basis solely in opinion.  :nea:



You're a fucking joke and to think I once considered you almost worthy of my respect. WTF was I thinking?



Thanks for letting me slap you around again, Skippy.  I'll leave you alone to sulk now.

If brains could fart, you wouldn't be able to maufacture enough gas to cause bad breath.



You redefine dumb, and then insert it into a discussion in such a way as to remove any doubt that your one and only talent lies in denegration, 4th grade level.



The article quoted a lawyer's opinions based on his EXPERIENCE. Said opinion is not isolated to him, by any measure.



And then, of course, you cite "Legitimate academia". Is this the same "academia" that talks of global warming? The same "academia" that predicted swine flu would eradicated millions of people worldwide? If you, like your partner in crime, believe "academia" is both infallible AND honest, I guess you missed the news that academics were caught misrepresenting global temperature data to support global warming theory. I regard any feminist study carried out by females as suspect. You, on the other hand, probably believe that American wrestling is a sport.



Earning YOUR respect is something I'd rather avoid, thanks all the same twinky...it usually signifies that you think someone is as arrogant, misguided and bellicose as you.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "Renee"


So now we are reduced to pirating quotes from Facebook to bolster your outdated opinions? And from the "Father's Rights Movement" no less.  :laugh3: Not too biased is it?????? Yeah, shithead keep railing about feminism. :laugh3: I guess since we put too much stock in academia, Facebook is the way to go.  :laugh3:



You really are an old fool. I almost feel sorry for you......almost. Unfortunately for you I really do enjoy exposing you for the "know nothing" douche bag that you really are.



Why don't you go back to starting threads comparing the membership to bottle caps or garden tools or some other fluff shit like that? An old clown like you needs to be entertaining to be worth keeping around.



BTW, even if your post is a desperate attempt at proving your bankrupt opinion....at least have the academic integrity to cite it properly. Or are you trying to pass that pile of horseshit off as your own personal experience? Given the fact that all you have is your shriveled dick to hold onto in this debate; I wouldn't put it past you to use deception to further your cause.

Listen, you rancid bag of rotting rat crap, there are no quotes from Facebook. Here's the source.



http://www.qt.com.au/news/are-family-law-courts-biased-against-men/2720932/



At least I start threads, rather than lurk in the shadows waiting for a chance to jump in, feet first, and spew your bile rather than actually discuss.



Your schtick grows ever older. "I haven't got an original thought in my empty head, so I'll just abuse people I disagree with".



You talk so much shit, I bet you'd engage a proctologist if you needed a tonsilectomy.



Unlike you, I put my views on the line, disregarding the asinine and desperate disparagements you offer that typify the tantrum of a 6 year old with ADD. At least they would have an excuse. The last time you offered a post that was remotely interesting and worth the three seconds it took to read was when you declared you were leaving...again.



You've got the staying power of a fucking Syrian.

Nice try shit for brains, keep quoting opinion pieces that have links to facebook; here's where you can also find your quoted bullshit.



//https://m.facebook.com/Fathers4kids/posts/1042671925763299



Sorry if I embarrassed you by pointing out your blatant stupidity and intellectual laziness. The fact is, throughout this entire debate you have railed against legitimate academia but yet you hang your hat on dubious sources that have their basis solely in opinion.  :nea:



You're a fucking joke and to think I once considered you almost worthy of my respect. WTF was I thinking?



Thanks for letting me slap you around again, Skippy.  I'll leave you alone to sulk now.

If brains could fart, you wouldn't be able to maufacture enough gas to cause bad breath.



You redefine dumb, and then insert it into a discussion in such a way as to remove any doubt that your one and only talent lies in denegration, 4th grade level.



The article quoted a lawyer's opinions based on his EXPERIENCE. Said opinion is not isolated to him, by any measure.



And then, of course, you cite "Legitimate academia". Is this the same "academia" that talks of global warming? The same "academia" that predicted swine flu would eradicated millions of people worldwide? If you, like your partner in crime, believe "academia" is both infallible AND honest, I guess you missed the news that academics were caught misrepresenting global temperature data to support global warming theory. I regard any feminist study carried out by females as suspect. You, on the other hand, probably believe that American wrestling is a sport.



Earning YOUR respect is something I'd rather avoid, thanks all the same twinky...it usually signifies that you think someone is as arrogant, misguided and bellicose as you.

Quote from: "Renee"


That's right, deflect the fact that you've been caught with your pants down, old man. I'm very sorry that you are having a tantrum but it's not my fault that everything you have presented to support your fossilized view of gender equality is nothing but unsupported bullshit. That's all on you.



You go right ahead and deny the academic and legal sources that have been presented against your opinion based archaic sexist garbage. That's fine, it only proves that you are full of shit. But undoubtedly you don't see it that way because your age and your ego bloated head prevents you from seeing that the western world has really begun to reject your attitude. Thankfully for the rest of us, your next step in life is the nursing home and then the big sleep.



Not my problem that your way of thinking went out with the edsel; again that's all you. It's also not my problem that you aren't smart enough to recognize when you have been exposed for the old fool that you are.



BTW, nice pkb with the "arrogant" label. You can always tell when you have your opponent backed into a corner because they start spitting their own flaws back at you. That's called projection. So, what are you going to try to project onto me next....your intellectual impotency, or your erectile dysfunction?

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "Renee"


That's right, deflect the fact that you've been caught with your pants down, old man. I'm very sorry that you are having a tantrum but it's not my fault that everything you have presented to support your fossilized view of gender equality is nothing but unsupported bullshit. That's all on you.



You go right ahead and deny the academic and legal sources that have been presented against your opinion based archaic sexist garbage. That's fine, it only proves that you are full of shit. But undoubtedly you don't see it that way because your age and your ego bloated head prevents you from seeing that the western world has really begun to reject your attitude. Thankfully for the rest of us, your next step in life is the nursing home and then the big sleep.



Not my problem that your way of thinking went out with the edsel; again that's all you. It's also not my problem that you aren't smart enough to recognize when you have been exposed for the old fool that you are.



BTW, nice pkb with the "arrogant" label. You can always tell when you have your opponent backed into a corner because they start spitting their own flaws back at you. That's called projection. So, what are you going to try to project onto me next....your intellectual impotency, or your erectile dysfunction?

I guess I missed the part where my trousers were down. May I suggest that is merely a figment of your sordid imagination?



I'd also remind you that I am not necessarily rebutting these "studies" so much as challenging the conclusions that they reach.



Neither you nor the other feminazi have bothered to address anything I've posted. She keeps throwing up "studies" (by women) that even contradict themselves, and you keep flinging your shit in the manner of a shrieking chimpanzee, which only serves to prove that women are more about hysterics than history, and men's efforts to suppress gong beaters like you were not exactly misguided.



I'm also somewhat confused. Your hatred of men didn't prevent you fornicating at least 4 times with a male to produce children.



Still, I guess you don't give a fuck how...just as long as you get babies to make you feel you hold SOME value to the world.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"Another piece of her biased, opinion doggerel; https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2015/november/1446296400/jess-hill/suffer-children

Quote from: "RW"More excuses to disregard data.

Quote from: "Renee"Look at him come running with his jaws aflappin. What no superficial, sensationalistic statements regarding your personal bias against the US?



Newsflash stegosaurus, male violence against women and their attitudes regarding gender equality are intertwined. Figure it out, dumbass.

Quote from: "Mr Crowley"

Quote from: "RW"More excuses to disregard data.

Data can say many different things.



"Estimates", by the way, are not data. Anecdotes are not evidence. Comparing apples to aardvarks is not reason.



What this idiot, and most females fail to address, is what is the female contribution to violence?



But, may I ask what the subject is here? Equity, or violence?



Or women, just having a whinge?



Speaking of disregarding data, I've seen no response to the DATA that says more males then females are the victims of assaults and murders.