Yep, a braindead ditz who advocates gun ownership for all, and insists guns are safe in the right hands was shot by her four year old.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/13/the-macabre-truth-of-gun-control-in-the-us-is-that-toddlers-kill-more-people-than-terrorists-do
Can America get any MORE stupid in relation to gun ownership?
No..please...CAN it?
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/13/the-macabre-truth-of-gun-control-in-the-us-is-that-toddlers-kill-more-people-than-terrorists-do
Can America get any MORE stupid in relation to gun ownership?
No..please...CAN it?
She left a loaded .45 calibre handgun in the back seat of her car. She's an irresponsible gun owner.
The right of self-defense doesn't stop at the end of your driveway. That's why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/13/the-macabre-truth-of-gun-control-in-the-us-is-that-toddlers-kill-more-people-than-terrorists-do
Can America get any MORE stupid in relation to gun ownership?
No..please...CAN it?
How terrible.
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I'm waiting for one of our yankee friends to justify this...
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Renee would not try to justify the carelessness of that young mother.
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Which one of us do you think would ever attempt to justify leaving a loaded weapon around a child. If you believe that an American that posts here would do that, then your just as stupid as the woman that was shot. Dumb ass...
I really don't see the problem with responsible people owning fire arms, as long as they follow the safety rules and have proper trigger locks.
This woman is clearly an idiot.
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Which one of us do you think would ever attempt to
That was unbelievably stupid.
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Which one of us do you think would ever attempt to justify leaving a loaded weapon around a child. If you believe that an American that posts here would do that, then your just as stupid as the woman that was shot. Dumb ass...
Right.
Several million guns in the US because you dumbshits think that's a good thing...and every gun owner is responsible, diligent and safty conscious?
This is NOT an isolated incident.
If you think this is about ONE woman and her child, you're as stupid as every other American that believes gun ownership is essential to a safe and healthy society.
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I will repeat it in bold for comprehension purposes. Read it slowly, it could help, (stranger things and all that). Seems you were somewhat confused with your previous answer. It didn't address my post at all.
*sigh*...why do I bother...
When the acquisition of firearms proliferates, then the number of injuries and deaths by firearm goes up.
If that idiot had NO firearms, then the child would not have shot her.
Is that too hard a concept for you to grasp?
I happily concede that this idiot, a rather vocal firearms ownership supporter who insists guns are safe, was both irresponsible and culpable. It highlights yet again that NO firearms ownership is "safe".
Why do you bother??? That's an easy one. Extreme hatred of America/Americans. I will however call you on exactly what I quoted. It was a stupid post on your part but you made it. I just questioned it.
I was not debating any of your age old arguments. Been there done that long long time ago. Not gonna do it again. I know how you feel and no matter how many times I say it you hear only what you want to hear when it comes to how I or any other American may feel.
Sometimes restrictions are put in place for the benefit of idiots and they ruin things for those who are responsible. Either way, I don't think you can deny that more guns in your midst translates to more accidents as well.
I think if your kid shoots someone, you are not only charged with criminal negligence but you're never allowed to own a gun ever again. There should be STRICT penalties for this shit.
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I was not debating any of your age old arguments. Been there done that long long time ago. Not gonna do it again. I know how you feel and no matter how many times I say it you hear only what you want to hear when it comes to how I or any other American may feel.
Here we go again.
To criticise America and to highlight the idiocy of its citizens is "hatred".
Son, are you going to deny that America is a violent nation, that exports its violence to other countries for no lawful reason? Are you going to deny that America's gun culture is to blame for thousands of unnecessary deaths of innocent people?
These are not arguments. These are statements that I submit as fact. I do not have to "hate" America to make these statements. I presume that if you "love" America you must therefore ignore its vices and villainy?
Tell me this, sparky? Do you LOVE your country...and by default, all it stands for?
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I was not debating any of your age old arguments. Been there done that long long time ago. Not gonna do it again. I know how you feel and no matter how many times I say it you hear only what you want to hear when it comes to how I or any other American may feel.
Here we go again.
To criticise America and to highlight the idiocy of its citizens is "hatred".
Son, are you going to deny that America is a violent nation, that exports its violence to other countries for no lawful reason?
These are not arguments. These are statements that I submit as fact. I do not have to "hate" America to make these statements. I presume that if you "love" America you must therefore ignore its vices and villainy?
Tell me this, sparky? Do you LOVE your country...and by default, all it stands for?
I believe kiebers is saying that stupidity and not culture is the reason the woman was shot.
I believe what Crowley is saying is that if it wasn't for gun culture this woman wouldn't have been able to stupidly get shot.
If she was taught proper gun safety she wouldn't have got shot either.
Gun lock- get one!
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She would find a way to get herself or someone else seriously injured..
She is the type of person who would leave her vehicle running and unlocked, with her son inside while she went into a convenience store for a package of cigarettes.
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Gun lock- get one!
What good is training if stubborn people won't use what they have learned keeper?
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Gun lock- get one!
The more people who have guns means the more idiots that will have guns too.
Agreed, there will always be that .
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I believe kiebers is saying that stupidity and not culture is the reason the woman was shot.
Actually Fash, I am not saying anything about the actual incident or about our proliferation of guns. Not saying anything about the laws. Not entering into any kind of debate that will only repeat itself the next time. Yes I realize there will be other times. In a country with over 300 million there will always be Darwin. I can sit here and acknowledge whatever he says is right, but the next time, the same things will be brought up and the 3 or 4 of us that are American will get accused/slandered all over again. Won't matter that I have listened to the same arguments for 15 years. All of it will be repetitive. It does not matter if I believed the same thing he does, he would continuously beat us over the head with it. How many threads have been started/derailed about this?
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I believe kiebers is saying that stupidity and not culture is the reason the woman was shot.
Actually Fash, I am not saying anything about the actual incident or about our proliferation of guns. Not saying anything about the laws. Not entering into any kind of debate that will only repeat itself the next time. Yes I realize there will be other times. In a country with over 300 million there will always be Darwin. I can sit here and acknowledge whatever he says is right, but the next time, the same things will be brought up and the 3 or 4 of us that are American will get accused/slandered all over again. Won't matter that I have listened to the same arguments for 15 years. All of it will be repetitive. It does not matter if I believed the same thing he does, he would continuously beat us over the head with it. How many threads have been started/derailed about this?
Oh I see now kiebers and I understand.
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Here we go again.
Son, are you going to deny that America is a violent nation, that exports its violence to other countries for no lawful reason? Are you going to deny that America's gun culture is to blame for thousands of unnecessary deaths of innocent people?
These are not arguments. These are statements that I submit as fact. I do not have to "hate" America to make these statements. I presume that if you "love" America you must therefore ignore its vices and villainy?
Tell me this, sparky? Do you LOVE your country...and by default, all it stands for?
I will leave this thread to you so you can rail, bleat, beat your drum and your dead horse to your hearts content. I have already heard all you have to say on the subject over and over and over and over.
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Here we go again.
Son, are you going to deny that America is a violent nation, that exports its violence to other countries for no lawful reason? Are you going to deny that America's gun culture is to blame for thousands of unnecessary deaths of innocent people?
These are not arguments. These are statements that I submit as fact. I do not have to "hate" America to make these statements. I presume that if you "love" America you must therefore ignore its vices and villainy?
Tell me this, sparky? Do you LOVE your country...and by default, all it stands for?
I will leave this thread to you so you can rail, bleat, beat your drum and your dead horse to your hearts content. I have already heard all you have to say on the subject.
I can certainly understand your frustration in not wanting to repeat the same debate again and again kiebers..
It's like discussing the sovereignty of Taiwan with Shen Li.
ac_unsure
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I believe kiebers is saying that stupidity and not culture is the reason the woman was shot.
Actually Fash, I am not saying anything about the actual incident or about our proliferation of guns. Not saying anything about the laws. Not entering into any kind of debate that will only repeat itself the next time. Yes I realize there will be other times. In a country with over 300 million there will always be Darwin. I can sit here and acknowledge whatever he says is right, but the next time, the same things will be brought up and the 3 or 4 of us that are American will get accused/slandered all over again. Won't matter that I have listened to the same arguments for 15 years. All of it will be repetitive. It does not matter if I believed the same thing he does, he would continuously beat us over the head with it. How many threads have been started/derailed about this?
No.
You never say anything.
You just wave the "You Hate America" flag and that is your one and only argument.
You don't have the pride and integrity to admit that your country is morally broken, universally loathed and widely regarded as the greatest threat to world peace of ALL nations.
This is purely because you are addicted to violence, and firepower at both the macro and micro level. I contend that gun ownership within the community contributes not only to individual deaths and injuries, but also infiltrates the psyche of America at the national level, which says that nuclear missiles, tanks and attack fighters are good things to have and use.
I don't HAVE to hate America to see what goes on in the world, and form my opinion based on that knowledge and observation. Frankly, I am more than happy to talk to Americans...my daughter was partnered with one for a few years, and he had no reason to feel discriminated against.
I don't "hate" Americans, you buffoon.
I hate what America represents, and does. Maybe if you had a brain that functioned, you would to.
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I can certainly understand your frustration in not wanting to repeat the same debate again and again kiebers..
ac_unsure
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I believe kiebers is saying that stupidity and not culture is the reason the woman was shot.
Actually Fash, I am not saying anything about the actual incident or about our proliferation of guns. Not saying anything about the laws. Not entering into any kind of debate that will only repeat itself the next time. Yes I realize there will be other times. In a country with over 300 million there will always be Darwin. I can sit here and acknowledge whatever he says is right, but the next time, the same things will be brought up and the 3 or 4 of us that are American will get accused/slandered all over again. Won't matter that I have listened to the same arguments for 15 years. All of it will be repetitive. It does not matter if I believed the same thing he does, he would continuously beat us over the head with it. How many threads have been started/derailed about this?
No.
You never say anything.
You just wave the "You Hate America" flag and that is your one and only argument.
You don't have the pride and integrity to admit that your country is morally broken, universally loathed and widely regarded as the greatest threat to world peace of ALL nations.
This is purely because you are addicted to violence, and firepower at both the macro and micro level. I contend that gun ownership within the community contributes not only to individual deaths and injuries, but also infiltrates the psyche of America at the national level, which says that nuclear missiles, tanks and attack fighters are good things to have and use.
I don't HAVE to hate America to see what goes on in the world, and form my opinion based on that knowledge and observation. Frankly, I am more than happy to talk to Americans...my daughter was partnered with one for a few years, and he had no reason to feel discriminated against.
I don't "hate" Americans, you buffoon.
I hate what America represents, and does. Maybe if you had a brain that functioned, you would to.
I have heard all of this from you. Too funny...
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See, there we have it.
A four year old shooting his mother is funny.
Invading Iraq was funny.
Bombing hospitals in Afghanistan is funny.
And you wonder why Americans are as popular as turds in a spa.
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Invading Iraq was funny.
Bombing hospitals in Afghanistan is funny.
And you wonder why Americans are as popular as turds in a spa.
Kiebers said she was dumb just like I did.
Let me see if I can clear things up for you
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A four year old shooting his mother is funny.
[size=120]I never said that[/size]
Invading Iraq was funny.
[size=120]I never said that[/size]
Bombing hospitals in Afghanistan is funny.
[size=120]I never said that[/size]
And you wonder why Americans are as popular as turds in a spa.
Let me be perfectly clear here for you. Although I doubt you will be able to comprehend.
I was laughing [size=150]at[/size] you.
Gun violence in America. More at 11
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Invading Iraq was funny.
Bombing hospitals in Afghanistan is funny.
And you wonder why Americans are as popular as turds in a spa.
Kiebers said she was dumb just like I did.
What else can be said. She is dumb as a fencepost.
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Let me be perfectly clear here for you. Although I doubt you will be able to comprehend.
I was laughing [size=150]at[/size] you.
Well, there's no surprise there.
Deflect, rather than stand up for your nation.
You're the only one laughing, dumbshit. The rest of us don't find your propensity for violence remotely amusing.
I will, however, admit to a certain wry smile when I saw the "You Hate America" card on the table. Nothing new there.
Now, go vote Trump in. The entire world could use a good laugh.
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Let me be perfectly clear here for you. Although I doubt you will be able to comprehend.
I was laughing [size=150]at[/size] you.
Well, there's no surprise there.
Deflect, rather than stand up for your nation.
You're the only one laughing, dumbshit. The rest of us don't find your propensity for violence remotely amusing.
I will, however, admit to a certain wry smile when I saw the "You Hate America" card on the table. Nothing new there.
Now, go vote Trump in. The entire world could use a good laugh.
Kiebers is not laughing and he has no
:001_rolleyes:
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Let me be perfectly clear here for you. Although I doubt you will be able to comprehend.
I was laughing [size=150]at[/size] you.
Well, there's no surprise there.
Deflect, rather than stand up for your nation.
You're the only one laughing, dumbshit.
The rest of us don't find your propensity for violence remotely amusing.
I will, however, admit to a certain wry smile when I saw the "You Hate America" card on the table. Nothing new there.
Now, go vote Trump in. The entire world could use a good laugh.
Why can't people hate America?
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Many Taiwanese hate China, almost all Chinese hate Japan, Britain and France are hated all over the world..
Why can't we all just get along.
ac_dunno
We can't.
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Nothing I said indicates otherwise. Anyone can hate all they want. That was never my point. Do you believe that myself, Renee or DSM would try to justify placing a loaded weapon close to a child?
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Nothing I said indicates otherwise. Anyone can hate all they want. That was never my point.
Never kiebers.
No, I don't think any of you would condone that action directly. Of course not.
But do you see how your gun laws allow for this level of stupidity?
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Nothing I said indicates otherwise. Anyone can hate all they want. That was never my point. Do you believe that myself, Renee or DSM would try to justify placing a loaded weapon close to a child?
Kindly leave my name out of this. I'm not interested in getting embroiled in a ridiculous argument about some ignorant bitch who hasn't got got brain one and paid the price for it.
Nor am I interested in dealing with some equally ignorant Aussie douche who thinks he can paint all Americans with the same kangaroo shit covered brush. Both are losers in my humble opinion and not worth wasting time on.
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But do you see how your gun laws allow for this level of stupidity?
Again, I am not here to debate anything. I was calling him out on the one statement. In a country of 300+ million I expect x amount of stupidity.
Right. I forgot who I was talking to.
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This Anti-Hunter Was Accidentally Shot in the Face While Trying to Save Ducks
This duck hunting protester in Australia was wading through a duck hunt in order to save hit ducks. She was then accidentally shot in the face.
A duck protestor in Australia was wading through a duck hunt attempting to "save" the ducks that were shot down.
A shot at a low-flying duck resulted in her accidental shooting.
http://www.wideopenspaces.com/duck-hunting-protester-gets-accidentally-shot-face-video/
Restrictive gun laws did not protect this stupid broad.
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Nothing I said indicates otherwise. Anyone can hate all they want. That was never my point. Do you believe that myself, Renee or DSM would try to justify placing a loaded weapon close to a child?
How about justifying American violence at home and abroad?
Go on...I fucking dare you...
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Personally, it doesn't matter to me if a people hate America. Cause I'll hate them right back.
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Nothing I said indicates otherwise. Anyone can hate all they want. That was never my point. Do you believe that myself, Renee or DSM would try to justify placing a loaded weapon close to a child?
How about justifying American violence at home and abroad?
Go on...I fucking dare you...
This was not directed at me, but I'll say this:
Violence is normally not a good response to anything, no matter where it occurs. Whether black on black, white on white, or any mix you care to imagine. Disagreements are just that as long as no one raises a hand against another.
Having said that, if faced with violence, I believe in giving better than you get. If someone comes to my house with a screwdriver as a weapon, threatening me and mine, I will bring out by aluminum bat and skullify the person. If someone comes at me or mine with a weapon, I will gladly bring out my .50cal and we can play that way.
As far as nation against nation, wars and violence are brought on by those who will not be doing the fighting. If we make the politicians, the decision-makers do the fighting, there will be an almost immediate ceasing of hostilities.If we - Americans - are not invaded or our people attacked, there is no cause. If we are attacked, again I believe in giving better than getting. There is no turning the other cheek. When young, I went to war and it is something no one should have to do. I did it because I was young, dumb, and full of patriotism. I came back cured of those diseases, after seeing how fellow soldiers were treated during and after fighting for our country. Politicians are the curse of all people everywhere. Do away with them and there will be much less violence.
I cannot disagree with you about giving better than what you get. Anybody that comes to my farm to cause harm will live to regret it. Well, I cannot guarantee they would live.