Chinese weigh in on Donald Trump's campaign
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/campaign-2016-chinese-weigh-in-on-donald-trumps-campaign/
BEIJING -- In China these days, just Donald Trump's picture triggers opinions.
"He's a little bit crazy," one man told CBS News. Another said he thinks Trump would be "much tougher" on China.
Guan Xin takes clips from the campaign trail and translates them into Chinese. Then he posts them online with subtitles for his 370,000 followers on Weibo -- China's version of Twitter.
He said when he is going through the comments, people are talking much more about Donald Trump than the other candidates -- and the opinions range greatly.
"From a total liar and bigot, to the only truth-telling candidate," Guan said.
Just last fall, some people couldn't tell us the difference between Trump and Jeb Bush. Now, Trump's name recognition in Beijing has increased after he took so many high-profile jabs at China.
"I think his business actually needs China. I don't know why he says something very mean," one woman told us.
But even 7,000 miles away, the politics of it all are pretty clear: "I think this is kind of a strategy so he can win and maybe get some more attention."
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Chinese weigh in on Donald Trump's campaign
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/campaign-2016-chinese-weigh-in-on-donald-trumps-campaign/
BEIJING -- In China these days, just Donald Trump's picture triggers opinions.
"He's a little bit crazy," one man told CBS News. Another said he thinks Trump would be "much tougher" on China.
Guan Xin takes clips from the campaign trail and translates them into Chinese. Then he posts them online with subtitles for his 370,000 followers on Weibo -- China's version of Twitter.
He said when he is going through the comments, people are talking much more about Donald Trump than the other candidates -- and the opinions range greatly.
"From a total liar and bigot, to the only truth-telling candidate," Guan said.
Just last fall, some people couldn't tell us the difference between Trump and Jeb Bush. Now, Trump's name recognition in Beijing has increased after he took so many high-profile jabs at China.
"I think his business actually needs China. I don't know why he says something very mean," one woman told us.
But even 7,000 miles away, the politics of it all are pretty clear: "I think this is kind of a strategy so he can win and maybe get some more attention."
It's funny how he has gone from being unknown to being a big news story..
A nationalistic state owned media is to thank for that.
:laugh:
Since China joined the WTO, Americans have witnessed the closure of more than 50,000 factories and the loss of tens of millions of jobs. It was not a good deal for America then and it's a bad deal now. It is a typical example of how politicians in Washington have failed our country.
The most important component of our China policy is leadership and strength at the negotiating table. We have been too afraid to protect and advance American interests and to challenge China to live up to its obligations. We need smart negotiators who will serve the interests of American workers – not Wall Street insiders that want to move U.S. manufacturing and investment offshore.
China is using Trump's rise to show how dangerous democracy is. :laugh3:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/china-uses-trump-make-case-against-democracy
China uses Trump to make case against democracy
The Chinese government does its best to limit the free exchange of ideas in its country, but there's no doubt that the Chinese people are aware of democracy's existence. Officials occasionally like to remind China, however, that the rival form of government is far more trouble than it's worth.
And occasionally, Republicans in the United States offer convenient fodder that makes China's job easier. When GOP members of Congress shut down the federal government a few years ago, for example, state-owned Chinese media ran reports that said, in effect, "See? Democracy leads to chaos and instability." When Republicans launched their debt-ceiling hostage crisis in 2011, and threatened to crash the economy on purpose, China once again was only too pleased to tell its people about the tumult democracy brings.
As the Washington Post reported this week, with Donald Trump faring well in the GOP presidential race, China has brand new evidence to bolster their anti-democratic pitch.
Mussolini and Hitler came to power through elections, China's Global Times reminded readers Monday. Now an "abusively racist and extremist" candidate is on the rise in the United States, it says. Maybe democracy isn't such a good idea after all.
In an editorial Monday, China's state-owned Global Times newspaper used Donald Trump's rise to gloat about the fault lines in U.S. society and to argue that democracy was both a waste of time – and downright scary.
From the rise of a "narcissistic and inflammatory candidate" to the violence that surrounded his planned rally in Chicago, the paper said it was shocking this could happen in a country that "boasts one of the most developed and mature democratic election systems" in the world.
The point wasn't subtle: Trump's rise is powerful proof, the argument goes, that democratic systems aren't all they're cracked up to be. The Global Times' report added that Trump may yet lose, but the fact that he's already done so well has "left a dent" in the American political process.
In case this isn't obvious, the Chinese newspaper's perspective is self-serving and incomplete, and the idea that democracy is flawed because buffoons sometimes win primaries is hard to take seriously. Yes, when free people are allowed to choose their leaders in free elections, sometimes the process is messy, but that's hardly an argument in support of one-party rule and an abandonment of civil liberties.
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China is using Trump's rise to show how dangerous democracy is. :laugh3:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/china-uses-trump-make-case-against-democracy
China uses Trump to make case against democracy
The Chinese government does its best to limit the free exchange of ideas in its country, but there's no doubt that the Chinese people are aware of democracy's existence. Officials occasionally like to remind China, however, that the rival form of government is far more trouble than it's worth.
And occasionally, Republicans in the United States offer convenient fodder that makes China's job easier. When GOP members of Congress shut down the federal government a few years ago, for example, state-owned Chinese media ran reports that said, in effect, "See? Democracy leads to chaos and instability." When Republicans launched their debt-ceiling hostage crisis in 2011, and threatened to crash the economy on purpose, China once again was only too pleased to tell its people about the tumult democracy brings.
As the Washington Post reported this week, with Donald Trump faring well in the GOP presidential race, China has brand new evidence to bolster their anti-democratic pitch.
Mussolini and Hitler came to power through elections, China's Global Times reminded readers Monday. Now an "abusively racist and extremist" candidate is on the rise in the United States, it says. Maybe democracy isn't such a good idea after all.
In an editorial Monday, China's state-owned Global Times newspaper used Donald Trump's rise to gloat about the fault lines in U.S. society and to argue that democracy was both a waste of time – and downright scary.
From the rise of a "narcissistic and inflammatory candidate" to the violence that surrounded his planned rally in Chicago, the paper said it was shocking this could happen in a country that "boasts one of the most developed and mature democratic election systems" in the world.
The point wasn't subtle: Trump's rise is powerful proof, the argument goes, that democratic systems aren't all they're cracked up to be. The Global Times' report added that Trump may yet lose, but the fact that he's already done so well has "left a dent" in the American political process.
In case this isn't obvious, the Chinese newspaper's perspective is self-serving and incomplete, and the idea that democracy is flawed because buffoons sometimes win primaries is hard to take seriously. Yes, when free people are allowed to choose their leaders in free elections, sometimes the process is messy, but that's hardly an argument in support of one-party rule and an abandonment of civil liberties.
I am not surprised Seoul..
China often showed fights in Taiwan's legislature as an example to make the same point.
I do not hate China, but the theft will not be allowed to continue when I am president.

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Is fatso here gonna be your VP?
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Is fatso here gonna be your VP?
:laugh:
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Is fatso here gonna be your VP?
I have not made a decision yet.
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Is fatso here gonna be your VP?
Of course not. That's a job for a playboy bunny
He would make a good AG
You know, I keep thinking ... if Hilarious were to win, shudder, how will the worlds most famous enabler deal with the most famous scene of debauchery, "the Oval Office" ..... and for sure it and her long history of multiple-enabling would be on the mind of every single world leader invited there
I'm guessin the cigar humidor with be noticeably absent :icon_wink:
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Is fatso here gonna be your VP?
Of course not. That's a job for a playboy bunny
He would make a good AG
You know, I keep thinking ... if Hilarious were to win, shudder, how will the worlds most famous enabler deal with the most famous scene of debauchery, "the Oval Office" ..... and for sure it and her long history of multiple-enabling would be on the mind of every single world leader invited there
I'm guessin the cigar humidor with be noticeably absent :icon_wink:
If Hilarious wins Bill will be the enabler. There will be more cigars and more young ladies with America's first [size=50]gay[/size] woman president.
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Is fatso here gonna be your VP?
Of course not. That's a job for a playboy bunny
He would make a good AG
You know, I keep thinking ... if Hilarious were to win, shudder, how will the worlds most famous enabler deal with the most famous scene of debauchery, "the Oval Office" ..... and for sure it and her long history of multiple-enabling would be on the mind of every single world leader invited there
I'm guessin the cigar humidor with be noticeably absent :icon_wink:
If Hilarious wins Bill will be the enabler. There will be more cigars and more young ladies with America's first [size=50]gay[/size] woman president.
Hello Jimmy.
ac_hithere
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It's funny how he has gone from being unknown to being a big news story..
A nationalistic state owned media is to thank for that.
:laugh:
Hi, Fash. I have always known Donald Trump because he has been making news for as long as I can remember, from his much-publicized divorce from Ivana to her entanglement with Marla Maples, he's been around so I don't consider him unknown.
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It's funny how he has gone from being unknown to being a big news story..
A nationalistic state owned media is to thank for that.
:laugh:
Hi, Fash. I have always known Donald Trump because he has been making news for as long as I can remember, from his much-publicized divorce from Ivana to her entanglement with Marla Maples, he's been around so I don't consider him unknown.
In Canada and the United States, he has been known for decades..
But in China, he was unknown a year ago..
It seems Peking feels his tough on trade with China rhetoric is a little worrisome.
:ohmy:
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Is fatso here gonna be your VP?
Chris Christy is capable and more than qualified, so I would hope so.
There are a number of good people on my short list for veep.
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As the Washington Post reported this week, with Donald Trump faring well in the GOP presidential race, China has brand new evidence to bolster their anti-democratic pitch.
Mussolini and Hitler came to power through elections, China's Global Times reminded readers Monday. Now an "abusively racist and extremist" candidate is on the rise in the United States, it says. Maybe democracy isn't such a good idea after all.
Ouch.
They make a good point.
But they fail to state that communism is hardly the answer.
No democratic government in modern times has run its citizens over with tanks, and shot unarmed civilians, nor imprisoned people who disagreed with the government.
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As the Washington Post reported this week, with Donald Trump faring well in the GOP presidential race, China has brand new evidence to bolster their anti-democratic pitch.
Mussolini and Hitler came to power through elections, China's Global Times reminded readers Monday. Now an "abusively racist and extremist" candidate is on the rise in the United States, it says. Maybe democracy isn't such a good idea after all.
Ouch.
They make a good point.
But they fail to state that communism is hardly the answer.
No democratic government in modern times has run its citizens over with tanks, and shot unarmed civilians, nor imprisoned people who disagreed with the government.
My parents when the KMT in Taiwan used to say our island would descend into chaos if the KMT allowed opposition parties and lifted martial law.
Korea was basically a military dictatorship during the cold war. They resisted civil liberties and human rights too.
The form of government that works best is one that is an extension of the culture of a nation.
This much. we've surely learned from western attempts to "democratise" other nations. It simply does not work.
Democracy is not the panacea of a countries ills in all cases. It requires a degree of stability, social and economic conditions that enable a certain level of trust and faith in the legal system.
When that faith breaks down, as we are witnessing in the US, democracy becomes a hindrance.
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The form of government that works best is one that is an extension of the culture of a nation.
This much. we've surely learned from western attempts to "democratise" other nations. It simply does not work.
Democracy is not the panacea of a countries ills in all cases. It requires a degree of stability, social and economic conditions that enable a certain level of trust and faith in the legal system.
When that faith breaks down, as we are witnessing in the US, democracy becomes a hindrance.
I fully agree MC. What works in Denmark cannot be reproduced in LA let alone in Africa or Asia.
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Quote from: "Mr Crowley"
The form of government that works best is one that is an extension of the culture of a nation.
This much. we've surely learned from western attempts to "democratise" other nations. It simply does not work.
Democracy is not the panacea of a countries ills in all cases. It requires a degree of stability, social and economic conditions that enable a certain level of trust and faith in the legal system.
When that faith breaks down, as we are witnessing in the US, democracy becomes a hindrance.
I fully agree MC. What works in Denmark cannot be reproduced in LA let alone in Africa or Asia.
Tell that to Bernie Sanders.
Quote from: "seoulbro"
China is using Trump's rise to show how dangerous democracy is. :laugh3:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/china-uses-trump-make-case-against-democracy
China uses Trump to make case against democracy
The Chinese government does its best to limit the free exchange of ideas in its country, but there's no doubt that the Chinese people are aware of democracy's existence. Officials occasionally like to remind China, however, that the rival form of government is far more trouble than it's worth.
And occasionally, Republicans in the United States offer convenient fodder that makes China's job easier. When GOP members of Congress shut down the federal government a few years ago, for example, state-owned Chinese media ran reports that said, in effect, "See? Democracy leads to chaos and instability." When Republicans launched their debt-ceiling hostage crisis in 2011, and threatened to crash the economy on purpose, China once again was only too pleased to tell its people about the tumult democracy brings.
As the Washington Post reported this week, with Donald Trump faring well in the GOP presidential race, China has brand new evidence to bolster their anti-democratic pitch.
Mussolini and Hitler came to power through elections, China's Global Times reminded readers Monday. Now an "abusively racist and extremist" candidate is on the rise in the United States, it says. Maybe democracy isn't such a good idea after all.
In an editorial Monday, China's state-owned Global Times newspaper used Donald Trump's rise to gloat about the fault lines in U.S. society and to argue that democracy was both a waste of time – and downright scary.
From the rise of a "narcissistic and inflammatory candidate" to the violence that surrounded his planned rally in Chicago, the paper said it was shocking this could happen in a country that "boasts one of the most developed and mature democratic election systems" in the world.
The point wasn't subtle: Trump's rise is powerful proof, the argument goes, that democratic systems aren't all they're cracked up to be. The Global Times' report added that Trump may yet lose, but the fact that he's already done so well has "left a dent" in the American political process.
In case this isn't obvious, the Chinese newspaper's perspective is self-serving and incomplete, and the idea that democracy is flawed because buffoons sometimes win primaries is hard to take seriously. Yes, when free people are allowed to choose their leaders in free elections, sometimes the process is messy, but that's hardly an argument in support of one-party rule and an abandonment of civil liberties.
Western style liberal democracy is bullshit. We are seeing the failures of it in Europe that won't even admit that the problem is Islam is incompatible with European values.
^^I wrote in another thread that democracy has become a little stale. It needs some modernizing tweaks. I am not sure what they are. But, it needs to be more respective of the wishes of taxpayers.
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^^I wrote in another thread that democracy has become a little stale. It needs some modernizing tweaks. I am not sure what they are. But, it needs to be more respective of the wishes of taxpayers.
Get rid of universal suffrage completely. Voting should NOT be a birth right.
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^^I wrote in another thread that democracy has become a little stale. It needs some modernizing tweaks. I am not sure what they are. But, it needs to be more respective of the wishes of taxpayers.
Get rid of universal suffrage completely. Voting should NOT be a birth right.
Interesting. What should the qualifications for the priviledge of voating be comprised of, in your opinion?
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Interesting. What should the qualifications for the priviledge of voating be comprised of, in your opinion?
If you do not have or ever had skin in the game you have not earned the right to decide how money is spent. In this country, only paid members of political parties can vote in leadership campaigns. Same fucking thing should apply in elections.
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Interesting. What should the qualifications for the priviledge of voating be comprised of, in your opinion?
If you do not have or ever had skin in the game you have not earned the right to decide how money is spent. In this country, only paid members of political parties can vote in leadership campaigns. Same fucking thing should apply in elections.
I disagree 100%. Voating here in America is a right of all citizens, minus those convicted of felonies and a few other exceptions. Paid politcal hacks are the last people who should be allowed to voated, but even they are. I would sooner see everyone in the nation voate instead of limiting it to those you name.
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Interesting. What should the qualifications for the priviledge of voating be comprised of, in your opinion?
If you do not have or ever had skin in the game you have not earned the right to decide how money is spent. In this country, only paid members of political parties can vote in leadership campaigns. Same fucking thing should apply in elections.
I disagree 100%. Voating here in America is a right of all citizens, minus those convicted of felonies and a few other exceptions. Paid politcal hacks are the last people who should be allowed to voated, but even they are. I would sooner see everyone in the nation voate instead of limiting it to those you name.
That's good you disagree because I never said it was the system in Canada. I said it should be. We elect people to spend our money, but people who don't contribute ever are allowed a say? You don't pay, you should not get a say. The West sets the bar waaaaay too low and leftist politicians want it even lower.
People who don't have skin in the game don't care how much shit costs because they don't pay anyway. Voting should be earned like it is in any organization including political parties themselves.
I can understand the rationale for restricting voting to past and present contributing members of society. Universal suffrage is the cornerstone of our democracy but maybe it's an ideal that could be tweaked.
The Chinese will never support a candidate as intolerant as Donald Trump.
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The Chinese will never support a candidate as intolerant as Donald Trump.
We can't even elect the government in our own country let alone the US dickhead.
This is yet anopther reason that Canada must not stop Chinese refugees from entering into and living in Canada.
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This is yet anopther reason that Canada must not stop Chinese refugees from entering into and living in Canada.
Chinese refugees? You mean the ones that pay snakeheads in Fujian province to bring them here on a death trip. They pretend they are Falun Gong practitioners and are persecuted by government. Are those the legit refugees you mean dickhead?
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This is yet anopther reason that Canada must not stop Chinese refugees from entering into and living in Canada.
Is it easy to obtain a visa to visit Canada? Some countries must be easier than others?
How difficult is it to get residency?
I went through the process here. Wasn't easy.
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This is yet anopther reason that Canada must not stop Chinese refugees from entering into and living in Canada.
Is it easy to obtain a visa to visit Canada? Some countries must be easier than others?
How difficult is it to get residency?
I went through the process here. Wasn't easy.
For some countries, a visitor visa is really difficult if you are working age and China is one of them.
Immigration has changed with the new government. Under the Conservatives, the focus was skills based. In other words, what can you do for us. Under the Liberals, it is family reunification. In other words, what can we do for you.
The Liberal Trudeau government will finally end the nazi immigration policies of the Harper administration. As Pierre Elliot Trudeau welcomed Chinese, east Indians and all other peoples who wanted to fulfull their dreams in Canada Justin will open the doors to all. Justin Trudeau is truely a progressive thinked.
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The Liberal Trudeau government will finally end the nazi immigration policies of the Harper administration. As Pierre Elliot Trudeau welcomed Chinese, east Indians and all other peoples who wanted to fulfull their dreams in Canada Justin will open the doors to all. Justin Trudeau is truely a progressive thinked.
Justine will spare no expense buying votes with our money.
I was expecting Trump to be more careful of what he says once he locked up the GOP nomination.
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Trump attacks 'Mexican' judge in Trump U lawsuit
Over the course of 12 minutes, Donald Trump used a campaign rally in San Diego on Friday night to lace into the judge overseeing a lawsuit over Trump University, calling him a "hater" and speculating about his ethnicity.
"The trial is going to take place sometime in November. There should be no trial. This should have been dismissed on summary judgment easily," Trump said. "Everybody says it, but I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump, a hater. He's a hater. His name is Gonzalo Curiel."
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-university-judge-gonzalo-curiel-223684
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I was expecting Trump to be more careful of what he says once he locked up the GOP nomination.
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Trump attacks 'Mexican' judge in Trump U lawsuit
Over the course of 12 minutes, Donald Trump used a campaign rally in San Diego on Friday night to lace into the judge overseeing a lawsuit over Trump University, calling him a "hater" and speculating about his ethnicity.
"The trial is going to take place sometime in November. There should be no trial. This should have been dismissed on summary judgment easily," Trump said. "Everybody says it, but I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump, a hater. He's a hater. His name is Gonzalo Curiel."
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-university-judge-gonzalo-curiel-223684
It might still happen.
North Korea's supreme leader, Kim Jong Un endorsed Donald Trump for president. If Trump is elected, they could hold a bad hair summit.
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North Korea's supreme leader, Kim Jong Un endorsed Donald Trump for president. If Trump is elected, they could hold a bad hair summit.
:laugh: