As in other parts of the "enlightened world", the smacking of children has been frowned upon, or even declared an assault without any exemption or excuse.
Thus it was that a parent in Australia was charged with assaulting his child (Names suppressed for obvious reasons), for what amounted to a non injurious smack. Note that the offender was a male. I wonder if charges would have been forthcoming if it were a female.
Case thrown out. Reason prevailed. The judge stated that "it cannot be accepted that a parent commits a crime for smacking their own children".
That's one for common sense.
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http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/smacking-a-child-does-not-transform-a-parent-into-a-criminal-sa-supreme-court-rules/news-story/4189d20bb1760f05bb9189a55bfd6b63
That case has been done here ages ago.
Doesn't True Dope want to criminalize spanking?
I don't know but we've been through this before.
Justine is an idiot.
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It looks like Canada's "spanking law" may be destined for the history books. The Liberals have agreed to try to remove controversial section 43 of the Criminal Code, which allows parents and teachers to use reasonable physical force to discipline children.
http://www.todaysparent.com/blogs/on-our-minds/liberals-plan-to-make-spanking-illegal/
I was sure the Supreme Court already ruled on this issue.
If parliament creates a specific law, then courts must apply it.
This is crazy...
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This is crazy...
I haven't heard much about it. Justine mentioned in the election, but I don't know if it has been voted into law. I hope not, it's nuts.
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This is crazy...
Courts don't re-create laws outside of Supreme Court rulings.
It's part of the recommendations of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2444188/spanking-children-could-soon-be-illegal-in-canada/
One of the 96 recommendations is to remove Section 43 of the Canadian Criminal Code. This controversial section allows teachers and parents to use reasonable force under the circumstances to discipline children.
Section 43 of the Criminal Code reads as follows:
Every schoolteacher, parent or person standing in the place of a parent is justified in using force by way of correction toward a pupil or child, as the case may be, who is under his care, if the force does not exceed what is reasonable under the circumstances.
This so-called 'Spanking Law' was reviewed by the Supreme Court in 2004 – and upheld.
More than 40 countries worldwide have banned the physical punishment of children, including Sweden and New Zealand.
Dr. Gerald Robert Farthing at the University of Saskatchewan has been a child development psychologist for decades and says that while he doesn't think teachers should be able to punish children physically, parents under the right circumstances should.
"For me I think the context is very important," Farthing said. "If we have a loving parent relationship where along with it comes the instruction or the training or the talking, then spanking as a resource along the line can be a very effective strategy."
It's a divisive topic and there's still a ways to go. In order to remove the Section 43 of the Criminal Code a bill will need to be presented and passed in Parliament.
Trudeau wrote a blank cheque to Aboriginal leaders. Agreeing to implement all 94 recommendations without any concern for cost or anything else is stupid. Shows he doesn't know how to negotiate.
You elected a real chump.
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We sure did.
Speak for yourself! I didn't vote for him.
The election aside, I do not have a problem with making it illegal for teachers to use physical discipline..
At home children are exposed to many dangers and a spank on the bottom is sometimes necessary.
Unless a teacher has to physically restrain a child for safety reasons, there should be no touching in that manner.
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No school board in Canada allows corporal punishment anymore do they?
Smacking a child by a teacher was NEVER legal. It was considered acceptable.
But it will never be re-introduced. Imagine caning girls.
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But it will never be re-introduced. Imagine caning girls.
I remember getting the strap in primary school. That practice is long gone now.
What I've often wondered is where did those teachers get their canes?
Was their a Teacher's Emporium somewhere, where cane's were sold?
A black market for canes?
"How much is that cane, Emilio?"
"Oh, sir, that cane is $200...but it is top of the line. You can raise some lovely welts on hand or bottom with just a flick of the wrist. For you I will throw in the velvet handle...very soft...very nice..."
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Was their a Teacher's Emporium somewhere, where cane's were sold?
A black market for canes?
"How much is that cane, Emilio?"
"Oh, sir, that cane is $200...but it is top of the line. You can raise some lovely welts on hand or bottom with just a flick of the wrist. For you I will throw in the velvet handle...very soft...very nice..."
It was thick black piece of leather they used in Saskatchewan. I never seen it anywhere else except in primary schools all those decades ago.
See!!! Who makes these instruments of child torture???
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But it will never be re-introduced. Imagine caning girls.
When I was in year 4 we had a teacher banned from punishing girls with his cane after the parents of a student had objected to him caning her about the legs. He was still allowed to hit the boys, but not long after that it was decided that only the principal could administer the cane.
Well, I would consider e-instating corporal punishment if it included girls.
That will never happen...so its a dead issue.
Only...how come you LIKE being spanked?
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That will never happen...so its a dead issue.
Only...how come you LIKE being spanked?
I was punished as a child with a leather belt. I quickly realised that spanking was a lesser punishment, than being grounded. And I use other forms of punishment on my boys. Mainly because one of them has not only stamped my wooden spoon with his name, but also brought one to me when he was three and asked me to spank him rather than send him to bed. Needless to say, he was sent to bed. Without a spanking.
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But it will never be re-introduced. Imagine caning girls.
When I was in year 4 we had a teacher banned from punishing girls with his cane after the parents of a student had objected to him caning her about the legs. He was still allowed to hit the boys, but not long after that it was decided that only the principal could administer the cane.
We had paddling in primary school up to about the age of 10..
My children attend a private Christian school that still has it for very young children, but uses it sparingly.
When I went to Catholic school the nuns were particularly fond of whacking us with wooden rulers. Today if anyone were to lay hands on one of my kids, their lifeless body would be found in the weeds somewhere along the NJ Turnpike.
I've never had to use corporeal punishment on any of my daughters. A couple of them came close but thankfully they had enough sense not to push it.
As for when I was going up, I can only remember one time when my parents hit any of us. It was me, (surprise) I was 16 and I more than deserved it. Looking back they probably should have beat the fuck out of us. :laugh3:
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I've never had to use corporeal punishment on any of my daughters. A couple of them came close but thankfully they had enough sense not to push it.
As for when I was going up, I can only remember one time when my parents hit any of us. It was me, (surprise) I was 16 and I more than deserved it. Looking back they probably should have beat the fuck out of us. :laugh3:
Sixteen is far too old for physical discipline.
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I've never had to use corporeal punishment on any of my daughters. A couple of them came close but thankfully they had enough sense not to push it.
As for when I was going up, I can only remember one time when my parents hit any of us. It was me, (surprise) I was 16 and I more than deserved it. Looking back they probably should have beat the fuck out of us. :laugh3:
Sixteen is far too old for physical discipline.
There is a story behind it which I will not relate here but rest assured I deserved what I got. My parents were not the kind to smack their kids under any circumstance.
In fact my dad has a extreme aversion to physically punishing kids. As a child he was beaten with a belt and other diabolical shit regularly. Judging from the stories l've heard, what he and his brothers endured was full on abuse. He still has faint scares on his shoulders from being whipped with a switch. His father was an abusive alcoholic who beat his wife and kids just for the hell of it. My dad swore that if and when he had children, he would raise them without the threat of physical violence and he did. I'm the only one of the three of us that pushed him enough to get clocked.
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That will never happen...so its a dead issue.
Only...how come you LIKE being spanked?
I was punished as a child with a leather belt. I quickly realised that spanking was a lesser punishment, than being grounded. And I use other forms of punishment on my boys. Mainly because one of them has not only stamped my wooden spoon with his name, but also brought one to me when he was three and asked me to spank him rather than send him to bed. Needless to say, he was sent to bed. Without a spanking.
My dad is old school Korean. Belts, electric cords and even golf clubs were common attitude adjustment tools in my upbringing. I'm surprised I like golf so much.
I did not smack my boy when he was a kiddie. Now that he is 25 and a lazy mouthy entitled know it all, I am thinking about starting.
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That will never happen...so its a dead issue.
Only...how come you LIKE being spanked?
I was punished as a child with a leather belt. I quickly realised that spanking was a lesser punishment, than being grounded. And I use other forms of punishment on my boys. Mainly because one of them has not only stamped my wooden spoon with his name, but also brought one to me when he was three and asked me to spank him rather than send him to bed. Needless to say, he was sent to bed. Without a spanking.
My dad is old school Korean.
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I beated my Shen Li much hard. :laugh:
My mom didn't golf but I got the belt, wooden spoons broken on my [insert body part here], shoes thrown at me, tossed down stairs, hit in the head with ceramic phones and cupboard doors resulting in concussions. I was whipped with a skipping rope across my bare back causing welts that took hours for the skin to go back to normal (my father cried when he saw what my mom had done). I was pinned down with my face ground into the floor, slapped, punched, kicked. I had whip lash from having my hair pulled so hard. I was dragged out of seats and across rooms by my hair. I had so many bruises all the time they thought I had a bleeding disorder and was referred to an internist. I had to lie constantly so social services wouldn't take me away.
I would have begged for a simple spanking.
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Yeah it shows hahaha
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I would have begged for a simple spanking.
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I would have begged for a simple spanking.
Jesus Christ.....I have no words.
All I can say is that I pray that there is a extra special, extra nasty, room in hell for people who abuse children.
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I would have begged for a simple spanking.
Jesus Christ.....
All I can say is that I pray that there is a extra special, extra nasty, room in hell for people who abuse children.
I don't either Renee, only shock and disgust.
Oh and BTW, I hope there is also a special place in hell for those who make flippant comments about childern deserving abuse as well.
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I would have begged for a simple spanking.
Jesus Christ.....I have no words.
All I can say is that I pray that there is a extra special, extra nasty, room in hell for people who abuse children.
They die sad and lonely people. Funny thing is she barely hit my brother and didn't lay a hand on my sister.
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Beating my Shen Li is make joke Renee. Children not deserve the abuse. Please forgive my English poor and make joke. :sad:
So when the Liberals are going to play heros and change the spanking laws, I think their time and energy would be better spent in bolstering social services to combat serious child abuse.
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Beating my Shen Li is make joke Renee. Children not deserve the abuse. Please forgive my English poor and make joke. :sad:
Your joke was fine. We all know you didn't beat Shen.
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Beating my Shen Li is make joke Renee. Children not deserve the abuse. Please forgive my English poor and make joke. :sad:
No worries Priscilla.....my comments were not meant for you. ac_smile
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Beating my Shen Li is make joke Renee. Children not deserve the abuse. Please forgive my English poor and make joke. :sad:
Your joke was fine. We all know you didn't beat Shen.
Renee offended my joke.
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Beating my Shen Li is make joke Renee. Children not deserve the abuse. Please forgive my English poor and make joke. :sad:
No worries Priscilla.....my comments were not meant for you. ac_smile
Thank you. My joke fault is Google translate. ac_toofunny
There was a case of child abuse in my children's school in 2011 or 2012 involving a brother and sister..
Teachers noticed marks consistent with abuse on both children and reported it to the proper authorities..
The children were taken out of the school and my children never saw them again.
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Beating my Shen Li is make joke Renee. Children not deserve the abuse. Please forgive my English poor and make joke. :sad:
You seem like a sweet old gal. What happened to your kid? I know what Chinese hospitals are like. Any chance they accidentally switched daughters on you at the hospital? :wink:
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Beating my Shen Li is make joke Renee. Children not deserve the abuse. Please forgive my English poor and make joke. :sad:
You seem like
Noice, you silver tongued devil. :nea:
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Beating my Shen Li is make joke Renee. Children not deserve the abuse. Please forgive my English poor and make joke. :sad:
You seem like
Noice, you silver tongued devil. :nea:
This is as silver tongued as it gets for an old rig pig like me. But, Priscilla does seems like a nice person.
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Teachers noticed marks consistent with abuse on both children and reported it to the proper authorities..
The children were taken out of the school and my children never saw them again.
Which is why I kept my mouth shut.
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Teachers noticed marks consistent with abuse on both children and reported it to the proper authorities..
The children were taken out of the school and my children never saw them again.
Which is why I kept my mouth shut.
You were afraid of never seeing your friends again?
And my sister.
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You think they would separate you?
I wasn't going to risk it.
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That would be heartless.
They do things like that but my mom never abused my sister so likely it would have just been me who would have been taken away.
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Was she older or younger?
She's younger.
So, if only one child is being abused, only the abused child is removed? The other child should also be removed from the abusive home.
It was the 80s and it could have been all a load of crap. I don't know what would have happened. I did know kids who were put in foster care and they weren't happy kids.
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I don't want to pry but is this the same mom you keep in contact with?
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The devil you don't know can be even worse.
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I don't want to pry but is this the same mom you keep in contact with?
I forgave her ages ago but she has continued with her bullshit and recently flipped out on me saying she never wants to "fucking see me ever again" so I've decided to honour that.
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The devil you don't know can be even worse.
Exactly! What about you? Ever felt like running from the golf clubs?
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I don't want to pry but is this the same mom you keep in contact with?
I forgave her ages ago but she has continued with her bullshit and recently flipped out on me saying she never wants to "fucking see me ever again" so I've decided to honour that.
Told you to use sheep dip.
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I don't want to pry but is this the same mom you keep in contact with?
I forgave her ages ago but she has continued with her bullshit and recently flipped out on me saying she never wants to "fucking see me ever again" so I've decided to honour that.
Told you to use sheep dip.
Sheep dip?
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I don't want to pry but is this the same mom you keep in contact with?
I forgave her ages ago but she has continued with her bullshit and recently flipped out on me saying she never wants to "fucking see me ever again" so I've decided to honour that.
Told you to use sheep dip.
Sheep dip?
Lice..... Remember?
Oh right! Hahaha!
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The devil you don't know can be even worse.
Exactly! What about you? Ever felt like running from the golf clubs?
I never was put through the terror that you were. My dad is ex Korean military and used hitting as punishments not because he was angry. I only was hit on the palms of the hands, the back of the legs or on the ass. For example, I got a bad grade I would have to go get his belt and bring it to him then hold old the palms of my hands. If I went to get an extension cord it was the back of my legs. I retrieve a golf club and I am getting it on the ass. The problem is that he kept it up into my teens.
I have a good relationship with my dad now. We play golf together, we drink soju together. And unlike my mom he doesn't get on my case with the "when are you getting married, you have to get married right away" or my favourite "when are you having a son, you have to have a son right away".
I cannot relate to what you went through. My dad went a little overboard with the physical discipline, but you suffered real abuse.
My dad never really hit us. Worst I ever got was a spanking and that was maybe twice in my whole life but he wasn't around much.
The emotional abuse my mom inflicted was far worse than the physical and those scars run a lot deeper.
Regardless, the government should focus on real abuse rather than spanking legislation.
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The emotional abuse my mom inflicted was far worse than the physical and those scars run a lot deeper.
Regardless, the government should focus on real abuse rather than spanking legislation.
My dad is not a bad guy, but his actions were all he knew. He was trained for it. He is a very old man now and we get along great.
Until now, I never heard of a mom being an abuser. Your experiences are different than anything I know of or heard of.
When I was 13, I called my mom out once about abusing me and later that week she gave me a book titled "A Child Called It" so I would know what real abuse is. Here's the description:
I felt so much better. Haha
Sorry, I kinda barfed my life all over this thread haha
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No need to aplogize.
Hopefully it provided some small amount of social catharsis. ac_smile
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I felt so much better. Haha
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The book is even more horrifying Fash.
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That's great, physically and emotionally abuse your child and then rain even more emotional abuse on them by giving them some literature that relays the ominous message of "be gratefull for how you are being abused because
Wow, just wow. That is just immorally and diabolically special. :nea:
She abused me less than her mom abused her apparently.
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What you endured as a child is horrifying.
I'm not alone.
The thing that irks me is the government tackling "spanking" again which has already been through the Supreme Court. It should put time and resources into helping children who are being abused instead.
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Oh wow, that makes it all better. :laugh3:
Not really. :nea:
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Beating my Shen Li is make joke Renee. Children not deserve the abuse. Please forgive my English poor and make joke. :sad:
You seem like a sweet old gal. What happened to your kid? I know what Chinese hospitals are like. Any chance they accidentally switched daughters on you at the hospital? :wink:
Mommy is a true sweetipie. Everyone says I inherited Mommy's hips and Daddy's temper. :yahoo:
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The thing that irks me is the government tackling "spanking" again which has already been through the Supreme Court. It should put time and resources into helping children who are being abused instead.
They had no choice when they agreed to all 94 truth and reconciliation commission recommendations.
They HAD to accept all of them? I'm not buying that.
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I mean they promised to implement all of them.
Well they should have given them more thought.
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Yes, they should have.
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Uhg, I'm sorry RW. I can relate on some level because although my mom lost custody of me before I was old enough to really form memories, her crazy drunk ass still was part of the family. She was in and out. I've called her out recently for all the shit she put me through, her response? "Get over it, I have". When they do that shit it's the same emotionally abusive invalidation they've always done. Bitches. I still love her though, I just don't respect or trust her.
And now, get this, she hates the name we have chosen for the baby, Sophia Violet, and has chosen her OWN name for the baby and she will text me at random asking "so how is my little Ellie doing?". Mind you, she doesn't really give a shit how the baby is....she just tries really hard to push my buttons.
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"Sophia Violet" is a beautiful name, Dove.
BTW, how is it going, being an elderey primigravida and all? :laugh3:
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Wait....or is it elderly multigravida? I can't recall if Dove already has children.
She does.
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Uhg, I'm sorry RW. I can relate on some level because although my mom lost custody of me before I was old enough to really form memories, her crazy drunk ass still was part of the family. She was in and out. I've called her out recently for all the shit she put me through, her response? "Get over it, I have". When they do that shit it's the same emotionally abusive invalidation they've always done. Bitches. I still love her though, I just don't respect or trust her.
I'm terribly sorry about that Dove.
:sad:
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My reply to that would be, "We just had an ultrasound. SOPHIA was giving you the finger."
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We have a name picked out too,
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We have a name picked out too,
Won Hunglow? ac_biggrin
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We have a name picked out too,
Won Hunglow? ac_biggrin
I'm disappointed in you Renee. That's something Gordy would say. You are far more creative than that. Up your game Renee.
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We have a name picked out too,
Won Hunglow? ac_biggrin
I'm disappointed in you Renee. That's something Gordy would say. You are far more creative than that. Up your game Renee.
Oh I'm sorry to disappoint you.
But I'm afraid if I really up my game, you would come after me with a broken bottle or some shit.
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We have a name picked out too,
Won Hunglow? ac_biggrin
I'm disappointed in you Renee. That's something Gordy would say. You are far more creative than that. Up your game Renee.
Oh I'm sorry to disappoint you.
But I'm afraid if I really up my game, you would come after me with a broken bottle or some shit.
I believe that.
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My reply to that would be, "We just had an ultrasound. SOPHIA was giving you the finger."
Omg...so much yes! Lol. I'll really do it, too. Our last ultrasound, we got Sophia mid flip. It's so funny. I'll try to get a picture on my phone of it and post it ♡
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"Sophia Violet" is a beautiful name, Dove.
BTW, how is it going, being an elderey primigravida and all? :laugh3:
It's going. If my husband doesn't get his vasectomy this month...I'm moving out lol.
I love the name you picked out Dove.
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Thank you :)
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"Sophia Violet" is a beautiful name, Dove.
BTW, how is it going, being an elderey primigravida and all? :laugh3:
It's going. If my husband doesn't get his vasectomy this month...I'm moving out lol.
When are you due Dove?