In my H2S Alive recert class everyone was white except for two Native guys and one black African. The African guy was late to come back from break which prompted the instructor to ask, "does anyone know where the colored guy is"?
The colored guy? It's 2016 and this instructor who is about my age I would guess describes black Africans as "colored guys." I am not a very pc guy, but I know that word died out many decades ago or so I thought.
The "colored guy," I cannot believe it.
Yeah everyone knows black isn't a colour.
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Do you call blacks colored?
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The colored guy? It's 2016 and this instructor who is about my age I would guess describes black Africans as "colored guys." I am not a very pc guy, but I know that word died out many decades ago or so I thought.
The "colored guy," I cannot believe it.
The instructor should be reprimanded or worse.
I could be really crude with this but it would ruffle too many feathers.
I'm desperately trying to restrain myself....there is so much material to work with here. :laugh3:
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Crude or offensive to racial groups?
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Crude or offensive to racial groups?
Both.
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Crude or offensive to racial groups?
Both.
I see Renee..
I agree with Herman, who talks like that?
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Why is saying "coloured" so offensive? The guy was probably trying to be as inoffensive as possible and that's what he went with. These terms change to the whims of PCism that it can be hard to keep up.
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That's right, it could have been a lot worse.
He could of said ......"where's my nigga?"
Oops, stand clear while I burst into flames. ac_blush
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An offensive reminder of a past where not so subtle racism was tolerated.
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That's right, it could have been a lot worse.
He could of said ......"where's my nigga?"
Oops, stand clear while I burst into flames. ac_blush
Oh my Renee.
:swoon:
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That's right, it could have been a lot worse.
He could of said ......"where's my nigga?"
Oops, stand clear while I burst into flames. ac_blush
Oh my Renee.
:swoon:
Sorry, I just couldn't let that go.
Please forgive me....I'm weak.
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That's right, it could have been a lot worse.
He could of said ......"where's my nigga?"
Oops, stand clear while I burst into flames. ac_blush
Oh my Renee.
:swoon:
Sorry, I just couldn't let that go.
Please forgive me....I'm weak.
No, you're not Renee..
Maybe I'm a little too sensitive about this.
Is "coloured" seriously THAT offensive?
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Yes, I think so..
You don't use that word do you?
Why is it so offensive?
The N word I understand but coloured? I don't get it.
I don't give a flying fuck what words anyone uses. It's the tone and intent that causes anger and offense.
From what Herm wrote, it seems that the instructor meant absolutely no offense.
Case closed!!
Personally I prefer the term "Pickaninny".
It's kinda cute. :nea: ac_biggrin
I love the blacks.
I can guarantee you if this occurred in Asia, and the missing person was caucasian, the instructor would have asked "Where is the white guy?".
Would anyone here have been offended in those circumstances?
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Would anyone here have been offended in those circumstances?
Or Africa or much of Latin America. All those places have words that have consequences.
Whilst in Malaysia, my host (from Singapore) keeps me from loitering too long in open public places.
Malaysian thugs target "white guys" to mug, and the cops take no interest.
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Malaysian thugs target "white guys" to mug, and the cops take no interest.
Most of the places in the world I have lived in or been in whites are fair game. But in this country, calling blacks "colored guys" is not on.
Explain to me why the term "coloured" is so offensive.
Take the NAACP for instance. The "C" in the organizations name stands for COLOURED (the P is for people).
It's antiquated and offensive in context but in this case it isn't. Why make a stink about nothing?
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It's antiquated and offensive in context but in this case it isn't. Why make a stink about nothing?
It is antiquated and is a throw back to Jim Crow era laws..
The NAACP still uses that word because it was the most positive description commonly used in 1909.
Non-whites have made an industry out of being offended by tags. If they are called anything that relates to their race, they get pissed. Yet I'm called an Aussie. You guys are Canucks. Brits are poms, or "rosbeef", French are froggies, Germans are krauts, Russians are russkis...who cares.
But call a Pakistani a "paki" and he or she goes mental. Being tagged according to our race is not, in and of itself, offensive unless spoken in a derogatory manner. Even "nigger" was simply a variation of "negro", which simply meant "black". Nothing more or less.
Minorities make an art form from being offended...moreso when they think they can score one over whitey.
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But call a Pakistani a "paki" and he or she goes mental. Being tagged according to our race is not, in and of itself, offensive unless spoken in a derogatory manner. Even "nigger" was simply a variation of "negro", which simply meant "black". Nothing more or less.
Minorities make an art form from being offended...moreso when they think they can score one over whitey.
It's up to me to tell a black Canadian they should not be offended by the word
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The colored guy? It's 2016 and this instructor who is about my age I would guess describes black Africans as "colored guys." I am not a very pc guy, but I know that word died out many decades ago or so I thought.
The "colored guy," I cannot believe it.
He should teach a class in the Jane/Finch corridor in Toronto.
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But call a Pakistani a "paki" and he or she goes mental. Being tagged according to our race is not, in and of itself, offensive unless spoken in a derogatory manner. Even "nigger" was simply a variation of "negro", which simply meant "black". Nothing more or less.
Minorities make an art form from being offended...moreso when they think they can score one over whitey.
It's up to me to tell a black Canadian they should not be offended by the word
Personally, I've never seen the need to distinguish a person by their skin tone.
Darkies?
I'm colored, not coloured.
Flippos!!!
Look, it's like Shen said......it's all in the tone and usage of the word.
For example: if you say......."Some fucking
Any questions? ac_biggrin
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For example: if you say......."Some fucking
Any questions? ac_biggrin
Renee, Shen Li does not care if anyone is offended anyway.
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Hello Azhya, I feel a strong impulse to edit the title of this thread to
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But call a Pakistani a "paki" and he or she goes mental. Being tagged according to our race is not, in and of itself, offensive unless spoken in a derogatory manner. Even "nigger" was simply a variation of "negro", which simply meant "black". Nothing more or less.
Minorities make an art form from being offended...moreso when they think they can score one over whitey.
It's up to me to tell a black Canadian they should not be offended by the word
The black guy wasn't in the room. He was late. It's whitie Herman who is all incensed by it.
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But call a Pakistani a "paki" and he or she goes mental. Being tagged according to our race is not, in and of itself, offensive unless spoken in a derogatory manner. Even "nigger" was simply a variation of "negro", which simply meant "black". Nothing more or less.
Minorities make an art form from being offended...moreso when they think they can score one over whitey.
It's up to me to tell a black Canadian they should not be offended by the word
The black guy wasn't in the room. He was late. It's whitie Herman who is all incensed by it.
My chin would drop a little too if I heard someone teaching a class use that word.
Mine wouldn't unless it was intended to be offensive.
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Does that matter? Rob Ford was pressured into apologizing for using the word "Oriental."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ford-apologizes-for-saying-oriental-but-stands-by-work-like-dogs-comment/article669859/
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But call a Pakistani a "paki" and he or she goes mental. Being tagged according to our race is not, in and of itself, offensive unless spoken in a derogatory manner. Even "nigger" was simply a variation of "negro", which simply meant "black". Nothing more or less.
Minorities make an art form from being offended...moreso when they think they can score one over whitey.
It's up to me to tell a black Canadian they should not be offended by the word
The black guy wasn't in the room. He was late. It's whitie Herman who is all incensed by it.
I am a very sensitive, impressionable young boy. I do not want to pick up language.
After thirty years on the rigs, I have learned to use only respectful words. :laugh3:
I hate that faux outrage, you hurt my widdle feelings with the obviously inintentionally offensive way you used a word. Boo fucking hoo.
I'm with the Iron Chink on this one.
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Hey, that's racist.
HAHAHAHA
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Shen Li, my parents are not offended by the word
But, to my generation that word means a rug and is offensive when applied to people.
Does it offend you Fash?
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Yes, of course it does.
Why?
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Yes, of course it does.
Gimme a fucking break. There are "Oriental" grocery stores in any city in Canada ffs!!
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Washington state prohibits the word
Why do you feel they did that?
Because orientals complained.
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Washington state prohibits the word
Why do you feel they did that?
SO?
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I'll bet it was just as likely to be white liberals who bitched.
Quit blaming whitey for your problems, chink!!
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It's you crackas that pass bullshit legislation.
I'm not a cracka!!! I'm a boomer!!!
Baby boomer, that is...
ac_toofunny
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Baby boomer, that is...
ac_toofunny
:laugh:
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Washington state prohibits the word
Why do you feel they did that?
What does that have to do with YOUR feelings?
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Washington state prohibits the word
Why do you feel they did that?
What does that have to do with YOUR feelings?
Why did they do that?
Because it is a slur.
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Washington state prohibits the word
Why do you feel they did that?
What does that have to do with YOUR feelings?
Why did they do that?
Because it is a slur.
So someone told you it was offensive?
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Washington state prohibits the word
Why do you feel they did that?
What does that have to do with YOUR feelings?
Why did they do that?
Because it is a slur.
So someone told you it was offensive?
Does someone tell an African American the
The N word has deep social and cultural meaning to black people. If they were asked, they could cite those reasons without any trouble.
You don't seem to be able to say why the term "Oriental" is offensive to you. Why is that?
Oriental simply means someone from the Orient, aka Asia.
The Oriental Express?
Orient watches?
Its not even remotely offensive in any connotation.
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Washington state prohibits the word
Why do you feel they did that?
Because most of that shitty ass backward state is run by transplanted, white, far left morons. They ignore their constituency that falls outside their little circle of faux intellectuality unless they happen to be a minority. And better yet, a small segment of a minority with a gripe who screams the loudest. They basically take all their sociopolitical cues directly from the Peoples Socialist Republic of California. The entire west cost of the lower 48 might just as well become one big far left progressive welfare state.
Its common knowledge that left-wing d-bags have an obsessive need to place people in little protected classes and then lable them and the only lables that are acceptable, are lables of their own choosing. Progs live simply to be offended by something and if they can't find something to be genuinely offended by, they make shit up. Without their feelings of offense and outrage over the silliest of issues, they have no reason to socially engineer society and therefore no reason to live.
Now there's a major league assumption if I ever saw one. ^^^^ Damned girl you fail.
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Washington state prohibits the word
Why do you feel they did that?
Because most of that shitty ass backward state is run by transplanted, white, far left morons. They ignore their constituency that falls outside their little circle of faux intellectuality unless they happen to be a minority. And better yet, a small segment of a minority with a gripe who screams the loudest. They basically take all their sociopolitical cues directly from the Peoples Socialist Republic of California. The entire west cost of the lower 48 might just as well become one big far left progressive welfare state.
Its common knowledge that left-wing d-bags have an obsessive need to place people in little protected classes and then lable them and the only lables that are acceptable, are lables of their own choosing. Progs live simply to be offended by something and if they can't find something to be genuinely offended by, they make shit up. Without their feelings of offense and outrage over the silliest of issues, they have no reason to socially engineer society and therefore no reason to live.
New York state did the same.
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You don't seem to be able to say why the term "Oriental" is offensive to you. Why is that?
Oriental also has deep social and cultural meaning to East Asian people..
People link the term to old stereotypes of East Asians and the era when the American and Canadian governments passed exclusion acts to keep Asian people from entering the country..
Given this, for many Asian North Americans, it's not just this term: It's about much more...It's about our legitimacy to be here..
On the old Asian American forums this issues of perpetual foreigner syndrome were common topics.
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Washington state prohibits the word
Why do you feel they did that?
Because most of that shitty ass backward state is run by transplanted, white, far left morons. They ignore their constituency that falls outside their little circle of faux intellectuality unless they happen to be a minority. And better yet, a small segment of a minority with a gripe who screams the loudest. They basically take all their sociopolitical cues directly from the Peoples Socialist Republic of California. The entire west cost of the lower 48 might just as well become one big far left progressive welfare state.
Its common knowledge that left-wing d-bags have an obsessive need to place people in little protected classes and then lable them and the only lables that are acceptable, are lables of their own choosing. Progs live simply to be offended by something and if they can't find something to be genuinely offended by, they make shit up. Without their feelings of offense and outrage over the silliest of issues, they have no reason to socially engineer society and therefore no reason to live.
New York state did the same.
The state of NY is run by the same kind of people and has been since Mario Cuomo ran the state into the ground back in the 1980s.
Don't worry, Andrew Cuomo is busy pandering to any little minority voting block he can and if deleting or forbidding some silly word from legislation gets a few extra votes for the democrats, they're going to do it.
Because after all, words hurt. But meanwhile approximately 25% of the state residents live at or below the poverty line. Thankfully they won't have to see the word "oriental" in any state legislation. :001_rolleyes:
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Washington state prohibits the word
Why do you feel they did that?
Because most of that shitty ass backward state is run by transplanted, white, far left morons. They ignore their constituency that falls outside their little circle of faux intellectuality unless they happen to be a minority. And better yet, a small segment of a minority with a gripe who screams the loudest. They basically take all their sociopolitical cues directly from the Peoples Socialist Republic of California. The entire west cost of the lower 48 might just as well become one big far left progressive welfare state.
Its common knowledge that left-wing d-bags have an obsessive need to place people in little protected classes and then lable them and the only lables that are acceptable, are lables of their own choosing. Progs live simply to be offended by something and if they can't find something to be genuinely offended by, they make shit up. Without their feelings of offense and outrage over the silliest of issues, they have no reason to socially engineer society and therefore no reason to live.
New York state did the same.
The state of NY is run by the same kind of people and has been since Mario Cuomo ran the state into the ground back in the 1980s.
Don't worry, Andrew Cuomo is busy pandering to any little minority voting block he can and if deleting or forbidding some silly word from legislation gets a few extra votes for the democrats, they're going to do it.
Because after all, words hurt. But meanwhile approximately 25% of the state residents live at or below the poverty line. Thankfully they won't have to see the word "oriental" in any state legislation. :001_rolleyes:
I don't know anything about New York's politics and economic situation.
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That's right, it could have been a lot worse.
He could of said ......"where's my nigga?"
Oops, stand clear while I burst into flames. ac_blush
Oh my Renee.
:swoon:
Sorry, I just couldn't let that go.
Please forgive me....I'm weak.
An assumming racsist? You're on a roll Renee.
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From what Herm wrote, it seems that the instructor meant absolutely no offense.
Case closed!!
Holy Angelina Jolie. Only a racist twirlybrained crap n' drool cyberbully like Shen Li doesn't know that coloured is an offensive term.
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You don't seem to be able to say why the term "Oriental" is offensive to you. Why is that?
Oriental also has deep social and cultural meaning to East Asian people..
Given this, for many Asian North Americans, it's not just this term: It's about much more...It's about our legitimacy to be here..
On the old Asian American forums this issues of perpetual foreigner syndrome were common topics.
I found the website you got this from BTW. I'm not saying you can't be offended by the term but I find it rather telling that you need a website to provide you with YOUR reasoning for being offended by it.
I did keep reading and I found that there's a rather significant split in whether or not Asians find the word offensive at all. Guess Shen's not the only one Rambo.
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You don't seem to be able to say why the term "Oriental" is offensive to you. Why is that?
Oriental also has deep social and cultural meaning to East Asian people..
Given this, for many Asian North Americans, it's not just this term: It's about much more...It's about our legitimacy to be here..
On the old Asian American forums this issues of perpetual foreigner syndrome were common topics.
I found the website you got this from BTW. I'm not saying you can't be offended by the term but I find it rather telling that you need a website to provide you with YOUR reasoning for being offended by it.
I did keep reading and I found that there's a rather significant split in whether or not Asians find the word offensive at all. Guess Shen's not the only one Rambo.
There are many sources like that RW..
It expresses how I feel about such an antiquated and derogatory term..
This was a big topic of discussion on the old Asian American forums..
John Kuo Wei Tchen, director of the Asian/Pacific/American Studies Program and Institute at New York University, said the basic critique of the term developed in the 1970s. Tchen has said, "With the anti-war movement in the '60s and early '70s, many Asian Americans identified the term ''Oriental'' with a Western process of racializing Asians as forever opposite 'others'."
I agree with him, Oriental does racialize us as outsiders.
The last time I heard a public official used the word "Oriental" they had to apologize for it. I am not saying Ford should have been forced to do that. He was actually being complimentary if you look at the full context. This is the society we live in though. Words matter. There's nothing you can do about, but go along.
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You don't seem to be able to say why the term "Oriental" is offensive to you. Why is that?
Oriental also has deep social and cultural meaning to East Asian people..
Given this, for many Asian North Americans, it's not just this term: It's about much more...It's about our legitimacy to be here..
On the old Asian American forums this issues of perpetual foreigner syndrome were common topics.
I found the website you got this from BTW. I'm not saying you can't be offended by the term but I find it rather telling that you need a website to provide you with YOUR reasoning for being offended by it.
I did keep reading and I found that there's a rather significant split in whether or not Asians find the word offensive at all. Guess Shen's not the only one Rambo.
There are many sources like that RW..
It expresses how I feel about such an antiquated and derogatory term..
This was a big topic of discussion on the old Asian American forums..
John Kuo Wei Tchen, director of the Asian/Pacific/American Studies Program and Institute at New York University, said the basic critique of the term developed in the 1970s. Tchen has said, "With the anti-war movement in the '60s and early '70s, many Asian Americans identified the term ''Oriental'' with a Western process of racializing Asians as forever opposite 'others'."
I agree with him, Oriental does racialize us as outsiders.
And the term "Asians" doesn't?
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Or people can stop apologizing for using words that aren't contextually derogatory and we can stop calling for them to do it because it's PC bullshit.
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Or people can stop apologizing for using words that aren't contextually derogatory and we can stop calling for them to do it because it's PC bullshit.
I tend to agree with you. Society has taken it to witch hunt extremes. It started as a good idea to make slurs socially unacceptable. But, we have taken it so far now that context does not seem to matter very much
When I was a kid, a former premier of Ontario was forced to apologize for saying a picture of himself made him look like a retard. That was David Peterson by the way.
If it's not one word it's another and then we ban that word and move to another and then that word becomes offensive and we move to another...
It's ridiculous.
Growing up in rural Saskatchewan everyone I knew used slurs for Natives. We used it to insult them, not them. It did not matter.
That was a long time ago. I have not heard old fashioned words like coloured in a long time. If someone called an openly gay guy a fruit or a fairy for everyone to hear, I would have been just as surprised.
And some people don't keep up on the PC word du jour. I don't find that surprising.
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You don't seem to be able to say why the term "Oriental" is offensive to you. Why is that?
Oriental also has deep social and cultural meaning to East Asian people..
People link the term to old stereotypes of East Asians and the era when the American and Canadian governments passed exclusion acts to keep Asian people from entering the country..
Given this, for many Asian North Americans, it's not just this term: It's about much more...It's about our legitimacy to be here..
On the old Asian American forums this issues of perpetual foreigner syndrome were common topics.
Do you have any fucking thoughts of your own on this or can you only repeat the type of shit that was on f44 and GS boards over a decade ago?
This thread has talked about the history of racism. Here's an interesting article by Thomas Sowell about the American Left's history of racism. Most of it I knew about.
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You can cherry-pick the evidence to reach that conclusion. But you can also cherry-pick the evidence to reach the opposite conclusion.
During the heyday of the Progressive movement in the early 20th century, people on the left were in the forefront of those promoting doctrines of innate, genetic inferiority of not only blacks but also of people from Eastern Europe and Southern Europe, as compared to people from Western Europe.
Liberals today tend to either glide over the undeniable racism of Progressive President Woodrow Wilson or else treat it as an anomaly of some sort. But racism on the left at that time was not an anomaly, either for President Wilson or for numerous other stalwarts of the Progressive movement.
An influential 1916 best-seller, "The Passing of the Great Race" — celebrating Nordic Europeans — was written by Madison Grant, a staunch activist for Progressive causes such as endangered species, municipal reform, conservation and the creation of national parks.
He was a member of an exclusive social club founded by Republican Progressive Theodore Roosevelt, and Grant and Franklin D. Roosevelt became friends in the 1920s, addressing one another in letters as "My dear Frank" and "My dear Madison." Grant's book was translated into German, and Adolf Hitler called it his Bible.
Progressives spearheaded the eugenics movement, dedicated to reducing the reproduction of supposedly "inferior" individuals and races. The eugenics movement spawned Planned Parenthood, among other groups. In academia, there were 376 courses devoted to eugenics in 1920.
Progressive intellectuals who crusaded against the admission of immigrants from Eastern Europe and Southern Europe, branding them as genetically inferior, included many prominent academic scholars — such as heads of such scholarly organizations as the American Economic Association and the American Sociological Association.
Southern segregationists who railed against blacks were often also Progressives who railed against Wall Street. Back in those days, blacks voted for Republicans as automatically as they vote for Democrats today.
Where the Democrats' President Woodrow Wilson introduced racial segregation into those government agencies in Washington where it did not exist at the time, Republican President Calvin Coolidge's wife invited the wives of black Congressmen to the White House. As late as 1957, civil rights legislation was sponsored in Congress by Republicans and opposed by Democrats.
Later, when the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was sponsored by Democrats, a higher percentage of Congressional Republicans voted for it than did Congressional Democrats. Revisionist histories tell a different story. But, as Casey Stengel used to say, "You could look it up" — in the Congressional Record, in this case.
Conservatives who took part in the civil rights marches, or who were otherwise for equal rights for blacks, have not made nearly as much noise about it as liberals do. The first time I saw a white professor, at a white university, with a black secretary, it was Milton Friedman at the University of Chicago in 1960 — four years before the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
She was still his secretary when he died in 2006. But, in all those years, I never once heard Professor Friedman mention, in public or in private, that he had a black secretary. By all accounts, she was an outstanding secretary, and that was what mattered.
Rudolph Giuliani, when he was the Republican mayor of New York, probably saved more black lives than any other human being, by promoting aggressive policing against hoodlums, which brought the murder rate down to a fraction of what it was before.
A lot depends on whether you judge by ringing words or judge by actual consequences.
http://westnewsmagazine.com/2016/03/23/65915/thomas-sowell-black-and-white-left-and-right
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You can cherry-pick the evidence to reach that conclusion. But you can also cherry-pick the evidence to reach the opposite conclusion.
During the heyday of the Progressive movement in the early 20th century, people on the left were in the forefront of those promoting doctrines of innate, genetic inferiority of not only blacks but also of people from Eastern Europe and Southern Europe, as compared to people from Western Europe.
Liberals today tend to either glide over the undeniable racism of Progressive President Woodrow Wilson or else treat it as an anomaly of some sort. But racism on the left at that time was not an anomaly, either for President Wilson or for numerous other stalwarts of the Progressive movement.
An influential 1916 best-seller, "The Passing of the Great Race" — celebrating Nordic Europeans — was written by Madison Grant, a staunch activist for Progressive causes such as endangered species, municipal reform, conservation and the creation of national parks.
He was a member of an exclusive social club founded by Republican Progressive Theodore Roosevelt, and Grant and Franklin D. Roosevelt became friends in the 1920s, addressing one another in letters as "My dear Frank" and "My dear Madison." Grant's book was translated into German, and Adolf Hitler called it his Bible.
Progressives spearheaded the eugenics movement, dedicated to reducing the reproduction of supposedly "inferior" individuals and races. The eugenics movement spawned Planned Parenthood, among other groups. In academia, there were 376 courses devoted to eugenics in 1920.
Progressive intellectuals who crusaded against the admission of immigrants from Eastern Europe and Southern Europe, branding them as genetically inferior, included many prominent academic scholars — such as heads of such scholarly organizations as the American Economic Association and the American Sociological Association.
Southern segregationists who railed against blacks were often also Progressives who railed against Wall Street. Back in those days, blacks voted for Republicans as automatically as they vote for Democrats today.
Where the Democrats' President Woodrow Wilson introduced racial segregation into those government agencies in Washington where it did not exist at the time, Republican President Calvin Coolidge's wife invited the wives of black Congressmen to the White House. As late as 1957, civil rights legislation was sponsored in Congress by Republicans and opposed by Democrats.
Later, when the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was sponsored by Democrats, a higher percentage of Congressional Republicans voted for it than did Congressional Democrats. Revisionist histories tell a different story. But, as Casey Stengel used to say, "You could look it up" — in the Congressional Record, in this case.
Conservatives who took part in the civil rights marches, or who were otherwise for equal rights for blacks, have not made nearly as much noise about it as liberals do. The first time I saw a white professor, at a white university, with a black secretary, it was Milton Friedman at the University of Chicago in 1960 — four years before the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
She was still his secretary when he died in 2006. But, in all those years, I never once heard Professor Friedman mention, in public or in private, that he had a black secretary. By all accounts, she was an outstanding secretary, and that was what mattered.
Rudolph Giuliani, when he was the Republican mayor of New York, probably saved more black lives than any other human being, by promoting aggressive policing against hoodlums, which brought the murder rate down to a fraction of what it was before.
A lot depends on whether you judge by ringing words or judge by actual consequences.
http://westnewsmagazine.com/2016/03/23/65915/thomas-sowell-black-and-white-left-and-right
So, it was between 1957 and 1964 that the black vote went from overwhelmingly Republican to Democrat. I thought it was earlier than that.
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You don't seem to be able to say why the term "Oriental" is offensive to you. Why is that?
Oriental also has deep social and cultural meaning to East Asian people..
Given this, for many Asian North Americans, it's not just this term: It's about much more...It's about our legitimacy to be here..
On the old Asian American forums this issues of perpetual foreigner syndrome were common topics.
I found the website you got this from BTW. I'm not saying you can't be offended by the term but I find it rather telling that you need a website to provide you with YOUR reasoning for being offended by it.
I did keep reading and I found that there's a rather significant split in whether or not Asians find the word offensive at all. Guess Shen's not the only one Rambo.
There are many sources like that RW..
It expresses how I feel about such an antiquated and derogatory term..
This was a big topic of discussion on the old Asian American forums..
John Kuo Wei Tchen, director of the Asian/Pacific/American Studies Program and Institute at New York University, said the basic critique of the term developed in the 1970s. Tchen has said, "With the anti-war movement in the '60s and early '70s, many Asian Americans identified the term ''Oriental'' with a Western process of racializing Asians as forever opposite 'others'."
I agree with him, Oriental does racialize us as outsiders.
And the term "Asians" doesn't?
I'm an Asian Canadian..
On the now defunct Asian boards we always promoted usage of the word Asian American as most posters lived in the USA.
Why aren't you just a Canadian? If "oriental" is a no no because it segregates you, how is using the word "Asian" any different?
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I don't mind you calling me a Canadian RW..
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If I am to be described I would prefer it not to be
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I don't mind you calling me a Canadian RW..
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If I am to be described I would prefer it not to be
If someone does, it SHOULD be a case of who fucking cares.
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Hippos! :laugh3:
I'm not offended by being referred to as "oriental."
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Would you prefer South East Asian Azhya?
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I don't mind you calling me a Canadian RW..
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If I am to be described I would prefer it not to be
That's a word that was before my time anyway. Honestly, I think of you as an Albertan.
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I don't mind you calling me a Canadian RW..
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If I am to be described I would prefer it not to be
That's a word that was before my time anyway. Honestly, I think of you as an Albertan.
Lol, I like that the best.
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Hippos! :laugh3:
Zippos!!!!
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Hippos! :laugh3:
Zippos!!!!
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The lighters?
Flip is an acronym.
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Would you prefer South East Asian Azhya?
I have no preference, Fash. Anyone can call me anything even Zippos because it won't matter anyway. :roll:
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Would you prefer South East Asian Azhya?
I have no preference, Fash. Anyone can call me anything even Zippos because it won't matter anyway. :roll:
Lol, that's funny Azhya.
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There is zero tolerance in the Alberta public service for anything that is considered an ethnic slur..
I don't know if
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I don't know if
They have employees walking on egg shells and fearing they may have a slip of the tongue. It's not much different at my company.
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I just don't get it. You can't say "coloured" but you can call people black, white, brown, etc. That makes no sense.
That and "colored" was one of the few DIGNIFIED titles blacks had back in the day.
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I just don't get it. You can't say "coloured" but you can call people black, white, brown, etc. That makes no sense.
That and "colored" was one of the few DIGNIFIED titles blacks had back in the day.
What you have at any company including my own is a few people dictating what is and isn't appropriate terms. I realize you've been out of the workforce a little while. Ask around though, especially people at large companies including the snivel service. They'll confirm this is reality now.
That is true Shen Li..
New employees are given training on this..
I believe it falls under the category of harassment free workplace, but I can't remember.
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I just don't get it. You can't say "coloured" but you can call people black, white, brown, etc. That makes no sense.
That and "colored" was one of the few DIGNIFIED titles blacks had back in the day.
What you have at any company including my own is a few people dictating what is and isn't appropriate terms. I realize you've been out of the workforce a little while. Ask around though, especially people at large companies including the snivel service. They'll confirm this is reality now.
I know the corporate drill. I used to work in an HR department and attend employee induction sessions.
I just don't understand what is offensive about some of these words. It shocks me how idiotic PCism is.
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I just don't get it. You can't say "coloured" but you can call people black, white, brown, etc. That makes no sense.
That and "colored" was one of the few DIGNIFIED titles blacks had back in the day.
What you have at any company including my own is a few people dictating what is and isn't appropriate terms. I realize you've been out of the workforce a little while. Ask around though, especially people at large companies including the snivel service. They'll confirm this is reality now.
I know the corporate drill. I used to work in an HR department and attended employee induction sessions.
I just don't understand what is offensive about some of these words. It shocks me how idiotic PCism is.
I don't like it either, but I have to go with it.
I don't see it as big deal. You adjust until the words that we are supposed to use are second nature.
Yeah but then they change and what was second nature becomes taboo.
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That's a good point, It's getting harder to adapt as I get older, but I will try to give the company what they expect. In 8 years I will be pensioned off. I hope the language will not change too much between now and then.
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I just don't get it. You can't say "coloured" but you can call people black, white, brown, etc. That makes no sense.
That and "colored" was one of the few DIGNIFIED titles blacks had back in the day.
What you have at any company including my own is a few people dictating what is and isn't appropriate terms. I realize you've been out of the workforce a little while. Ask around though, especially people at large companies including the snivel service. They'll confirm this is reality now.
I know the corporate drill. I used to work in an HR department and attend employee induction sessions.
I just don't understand what is offensive about some of these words. It shocks me how idiotic PCism is.
It is what it is. Government has has dictated how we will talk at work
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That's a good point, It's getting harder to adapt as I get older, but I will try to give the company what they expect. In 8 years I will be pensioned off. I hope the language will not change too much between now and then.
You never know...
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When it changes workers will change too..
It's not a big deal RW.
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That's a good point, It's getting harder to adapt as I get older, but I will try to give the company what they expect. In 8 years I will be pensioned off. I hope the language will not change too much between now and then.
You never know...
Stay tuned. :laugh:
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That's a good point, It's getting harder to adapt as I get older, but I will try to give the company what they expect. In 8 years I will be pensioned off. I hope the language will not change too much between now and then.
You got that right. Even the word retard is offensive now.
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That's a good point, It's getting harder to adapt as I get older, but I will try to give the company what they expect. In 8 years I will be pensioned off. I hope the language will not change too much between now and then.
You got that right. Even the word retard is offensive now.
It"s a slur for people with a disability.
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That's a good point, It's getting harder to adapt as I get older, but I will try to give the company what they expect. In 8 years I will be pensioned off. I hope the language will not change too much between now and then.
You got that right. Even the word retard is offensive now.
It's a slur for people with a disability.
I have worked with some people that act retarded, but I do not think any of them actually were.
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That's a good point, It's getting harder to adapt as I get older, but I will try to give the company what they expect. In 8 years I will be pensioned off. I hope the language will not change too much between now and then.
You got that right. Even the word retard is offensive now.
It"s a slur for people with a disability.
If you use it to describe someone with a disability. I don't understand the problem if you don't use it to describe someone without a disability.
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That's a good point, It's getting harder to adapt as I get older, but I will try to give the company what they expect. In 8 years I will be pensioned off. I hope the language will not change too much between now and then.
You got that right. Even the word retard is offensive now.
It"s a slur for people with a disability.
If you use it to describe someone with a disability. I don't understand the problem if you don't use it to describe someone without a disability.
The way I always used it growing up would be considered inappropriate today. The word we used for people with that disability was retard.
In a civilised country all people are created equal and we mustn't generalise.
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I want to punch your head in.
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I just don't get it. You can't say "coloured" but you can call people black, white, brown, etc. That makes no sense.
That and "colored" was one of the few DIGNIFIED titles blacks had back in the day.
But you can refer to them as "people of color" and that is acceptable.
Which reminds me of a biology test that I failed in my sophomore year of HS......
One of the questions was......What do you commonly find in cells? ac_umm
Apparently "black people"......was not an acceptable answer.
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I just don't get it. You can't say "coloured" but you can call people black, white, brown, etc. That makes no sense.
That and "colored" was one of the few DIGNIFIED titles blacks had back in the day.
But you can refer to them as "people of color" and that is acceptable.
Which reminds me of a biology test that I failed in my sophomore year of HS......
One of the questions was......What do you commonly find in cells? ac_umm
Apparently "black people"......was not an acceptable answer.
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