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General Discussion => The Flea Trap => Topic started by: Blurt on May 04, 2016, 10:16:26 AM

Title: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Blurt on May 04, 2016, 10:16:26 AM
ac_crying



Hope you all make it out safe and sound.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2016, 10:17:24 AM
Quote from: "Blurt"ac_crying



Hope you all make it out safe and sound.

Me too Blurt and nice to see you again..



Shen Li owns a condo up there.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2016, 10:38:38 AM
Over 60, 000 people have had to flee the city.

 :ohmy:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/fort-mcmurray-wildfire-remains-out-of-control-after-city-evacuated-1.3563977
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2016, 12:14:52 PM
Holy crap   ac_crying



God help them all.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Renee on May 04, 2016, 01:38:09 PM
Wow, scary stuff.  :ohmy:



Thoughts and prayers go out to the displaced.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: keeper on May 04, 2016, 07:35:39 PM
More jobs for Alberta
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 04, 2016, 07:44:24 PM
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Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2016, 09:16:46 PM
Quote from: "Keeper"More jobs for Alberta

You mean rebuilding?
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2016, 11:29:50 PM
This makes last year's Saskatchewan fires look like a small prairie grass fire. I know people that have had to flee.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Annie on May 05, 2016, 02:28:57 AM
We have friends up there too. Been following the news stories on this. It's the worst fire in history there. People weren't able to get home to retrieve their pets when they were evacuated and now there's been a deadly crash on a highway many were travelling to escape  ac_crying

On a side note, there are a lot of people getting supplies together for the people stranded on the highways etc. I hope their houses are safe  ac_crying
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2016, 11:43:51 AM
Cars abandoned on highway 63 because they did not have enough fuel to make the 460 km trip to Edmonton..



One of the worst disasters I have seen, even worse than the Alberta floods.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: keeper on May 05, 2016, 11:47:02 AM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Keeper"More jobs for Alberta

You mean rebuilding?


Yes, rebuilding. jobs jobs jobs



with that said, i hope everyone is safe.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2016, 11:51:47 AM
Quote from: "Keeper"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Keeper"More jobs for Alberta

You mean rebuilding?


Yes, rebuilding. jobs jobs jobs



with that said, i hope everyone is safe.

I am reluctant to ask, but has anyone been injured or worse?



I have not been reading the news much lately.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 05, 2016, 11:55:45 AM
Two people died yesterday in a crash on Hwy 881 but they don't know if it's fire related or not.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2016, 11:58:34 AM
Quote from: "RW"Two people died yesterday in a crash on Hwy 881 but they don't know if it's fire related or not.

That's terrible..



That little highway cannot handle a heavy volume of traffic.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: keeper on May 05, 2016, 12:00:20 PM
I dont have TV so i havent watched any news just a few youtubes
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2016, 12:02:43 PM
Quote from: "Keeper"I dont have TV so i havent watched any news just a few youtubes

I was surprised how quickly the decision to evacuate came.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: cc on May 05, 2016, 07:34:21 PM
So sad, however so far have not heard of casualties ..  too good to be true, but I'll take it



Here's a whole pile of dash-cam videos  ... surreal  .. but all too real



//http://mashable.com/2016/05/05/dashcam-wildfire-fort-mcmurray/#ocnPmH0WXiqk



A wildfire moves towards the town of Anzac from Fort McMurray, Alberta., on Wednesday May 4, 2016.

My God!!!

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Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2016, 11:12:39 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"So sad, however so far have not heard of casualties ..  too good to be true, but I'll take it



Here's a whole pile of dash-cam videos  ... surreal  .. but all too real



//http://mashable.com/2016/05/05/dashcam-wildfire-fort-mcmurray/#ocnPmH0WXiqk



A wildfire moves towards the town of Anzac from Fort McMurray, Alberta., on Wednesday May 4, 2016.

My God!!!

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I saw some of these videos. Burning embers raining down on the highway. Surreal, but real indeed.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Annie on May 06, 2016, 12:56:47 AM
That's scary as heck. I'm amazed people are remaining calm.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2016, 01:14:33 AM
Quote from: "Annie"That's scary as heck. I'm amazed people are remaining calm.

We don't know that for sure. How calm can anyone really be in that nightmare situaution?
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Annie on May 06, 2016, 01:24:32 AM
I know I'd be freaking out if I was in that situation. I read some personal stories about how people were remaining calm for their kids.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2016, 01:46:28 AM
Quote from: "Annie"I know I'd be freaking out if I was in that situation. I read some personal stories about how people were remaining calm for their kids.

People try to be as calm as possible.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2016, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: "Annie"I know I'd be freaking out if I was in that situation. I read some personal stories about how people were remaining calm for their kids.

I would try to put on a calm face too..



I know it is not the same, but we had to evacuate for a few days during the Southern Alberta floods.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
Last I heard the fire is now 85,000 hectares in size.  :shock:
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2016, 01:33:37 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"Last I heard the fire is now 85,000 hectares in size.  :shock:

To put that in perspective, I checked and Calgary is 82, 500 hectares.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: keeper on May 06, 2016, 03:37:59 PM
Can you imagine all the animals that have died....
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: cc on May 06, 2016, 04:20:42 PM
ac_crying  The animals



"Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch  .. and in so many ways



And this fire storm is nature in its ruthless  natural action exactly as it has always been. Whether people or animals are there or not is of no concern to the cycles of nature.



Since forests and / or long grass first exited .... trees grew,  got old,  dropped limbs, undergrowth filled in and lightning struck ... infernos grew and moved according to the winds, and often lightning from within the hot clouds of the closed environment of the firestorm  starting new sections burning, huge areas at a time burned  ... then silence ... just black with no food for animals ... then sprigs start to grow and a new cycle begins all over again and repeats that cycle over and over again endlessly .. and each cycle always ending in total destruction



And yes, animals die when the wind is high and they cannot outrun the fires or outguess the wind's turns of direction ... or the infernos  own-created winds throw more curves at them and unexpectedly create  new wind / fire / smoke directions that vary greatly from the "outside" wind.



 "Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch that never stops its killing cycles
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: cc on May 06, 2016, 05:12:51 PM
Thankfully, or at least as far as I know, the people got away at Ft Mac
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: cc on May 06, 2016, 05:32:13 PM
Quote from: "Annie"That's scary as heck. I'm amazed people are remaining calm.

I have on occasion  lived in "frontier" areas. The people who go there are a different animal . .a different breed of cat.



In general, they are very brave and able to handle themselves under duress by their very  nature



The people of Ft Mac and "the Ft Macs" are wonderful people.



I think I'd pee myself if I was in those cars taking those dash-cam vids. Absolutely amazing that they all got out
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2016, 05:55:32 PM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"Last I heard the fire is now 85,000 hectares in size.  :shock:

Wow....over 200,000 acres.  Over 320 square miles.  Nine survey townships...



Pardon my awe,,, we Yanks aren't used to thinking in hectares.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: cc on May 06, 2016, 06:52:24 PM
So, what I have been afraid to ask.



Anyone! As I have not heard of casualties being mentioned  in any regard to date, Does that mean there actually are no serious casualties? .
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2016, 01:55:48 AM
Quote from: "cc la femme"ac_crying  The animals



"Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch  .. and in so many ways



And this fire storm is nature in its ruthless  natural action exactly as it has always been. Whether people or animals are there or not is of no concern to the cycles of nature.



Since forests and / or long grass first exited .... trees grew,  got old,  dropped limbs, undergrowth filled in and lightning struck ... infernos grew and moved according to the winds, and often lightning from within the hot clouds of the closed environment of the firestorm  starting new sections burning, huge areas at a time burned  ... then silence ... just black with no food for animals ... then sprigs start to grow and a new cycle begins all over again and repeats that cycle over and over again endlessly .. and each cycle always ending in total destruction



And yes, animals die when the wind is high and they cannot outrun the fires or outguess the wind's turns of direction ... or the infernos  own-created winds throw more curves at them and unexpectedly create  new wind / fire / smoke directions that vary greatly from the "outside" wind.



 "Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch that never stops its killing cycles

That vile slob Elizabeth May is exploiting this tragedy for political purposes. Climate change is the culprit she moans. If Fort McMurray's main industry was taxpayer subsidized artificial industry instead of crude oil there would be no massive wild fire. :001_rolleyes:
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2016, 01:57:07 AM
Quote from: "cc la femme"
Quote from: "Annie"That's scary as heck. I'm amazed people are remaining calm.

I have on occasion  lived in "frontier" areas. The people who go there are a different animal . .a different breed of cat.



In general, they are very brave and able to handle themselves under duress by their very  nature



The people of Ft Mac and "the Ft Macs" are wonderful people.



I think I'd pee myself if I was in those cars taking those dash-cam vids. Absolutely amazing that they all got out

I do not consider Fort McMurray frontier areas. I consider it what it is, a city.



Zama and Rainbow Lake are frontier areas.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "cc la femme"ac_crying  The animals



"Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch  .. and in so many ways



And this fire storm is nature in its ruthless  natural action exactly as it has always been. Whether people or animals are there or not is of no concern to the cycles of nature.



Since forests and / or long grass first exited .... trees grew,  got old,  dropped limbs, undergrowth filled in and lightning struck ... infernos grew and moved according to the winds, and often lightning from within the hot clouds of the closed environment of the firestorm  starting new sections burning, huge areas at a time burned  ... then silence ... just black with no food for animals ... then sprigs start to grow and a new cycle begins all over again and repeats that cycle over and over again endlessly .. and each cycle always ending in total destruction



And yes, animals die when the wind is high and they cannot outrun the fires or outguess the wind's turns of direction ... or the infernos  own-created winds throw more curves at them and unexpectedly create  new wind / fire / smoke directions that vary greatly from the "outside" wind.



 "Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch that never stops its killing cycles

That vile slob Elizabeth May is exploiting this tragedy for political purposes. Climate change is the culprit she moans. If Fort McMurray's main industry was taxpayer subsidized artificial industry instead of crude oil there would be no massive wild fire. :001_rolleyes:

A sleazy politician being a sleazy politician..



But, I am somewhat surprised at the leadership Rachel Notley has shown so far.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 07, 2016, 09:50:43 AM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "cc la femme"ac_crying  The animals



"Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch  .. and in so many ways



And this fire storm is nature in its ruthless  natural action exactly as it has always been. Whether people or animals are there or not is of no concern to the cycles of nature.



Since forests and / or long grass first exited .... trees grew,  got old,  dropped limbs, undergrowth filled in and lightning struck ... infernos grew and moved according to the winds, and often lightning from within the hot clouds of the closed environment of the firestorm  starting new sections burning, huge areas at a time burned  ... then silence ... just black with no food for animals ... then sprigs start to grow and a new cycle begins all over again and repeats that cycle over and over again endlessly .. and each cycle always ending in total destruction



And yes, animals die when the wind is high and they cannot outrun the fires or outguess the wind's turns of direction ... or the infernos  own-created winds throw more curves at them and unexpectedly create  new wind / fire / smoke directions that vary greatly from the "outside" wind.



 "Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch that never stops its killing cycles

That vile slob Elizabeth May is exploiting this tragedy for political purposes. Climate change is the culprit she moans. If Fort McMurray's main industry was taxpayer subsidized artificial industry instead of crude oil there would be no massive wild fire. :001_rolleyes:


Nothing to do with global warming? Canada must be exempt? News coverage shows lots of devastation.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2016, 10:01:13 AM
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "cc la femme"ac_crying  The animals



"Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch  .. and in so many ways



And this fire storm is nature in its ruthless  natural action exactly as it has always been. Whether people or animals are there or not is of no concern to the cycles of nature.



Since forests and / or long grass first exited .... trees grew,  got old,  dropped limbs, undergrowth filled in and lightning struck ... infernos grew and moved according to the winds, and often lightning from within the hot clouds of the closed environment of the firestorm  starting new sections burning, huge areas at a time burned  ... then silence ... just black with no food for animals ... then sprigs start to grow and a new cycle begins all over again and repeats that cycle over and over again endlessly .. and each cycle always ending in total destruction



And yes, animals die when the wind is high and they cannot outrun the fires or outguess the wind's turns of direction ... or the infernos  own-created winds throw more curves at them and unexpectedly create  new wind / fire / smoke directions that vary greatly from the "outside" wind.



 "Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch that never stops its killing cycles

That vile slob Elizabeth May is exploiting this tragedy for political purposes. Climate change is the culprit she moans. If Fort McMurray's main industry was taxpayer subsidized artificial industry instead of crude oil there would be no massive wild fire. :001_rolleyes:


Nothing to do with global warming? Canada must be exempt? News coverage shows lots of devastation.

The fire was not caused by lightning strikes and the most likely caused by people being careless with fires as most wild fires..



Herman is right, Elizabeth May is a politician with an agenda and not interested in facts.



Fort McMurray wildfire likely caused by humans: U of A professor

http://globalnews.ca/news/2684741/fort-mcmurray-wildfire-likely-caused-by-humans/



No, nature is not to blame for the Fort McMurray fire. If only it were that simple

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/colby-cosh-no-nature-is-not-to-blame-for-the-fort-mcmurray-fire-if-only-it-were-that-simple
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 07, 2016, 10:04:09 AM
News agencies are reporting lightning strikes. Must be very dry for that to occur.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2016, 10:07:55 AM
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"News agencies are reporting lightning strikes. Must be very dry for that to occur.

There were no lightning strikes in the area prior to the fire..



That city has grown faster than almost any other smaller city in Canada and it was likely caused by careless human activity in the area..



And yes it is a dry El Nino year in Western Canada.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 07, 2016, 10:26:20 AM
Same dry scenario in Centeral America. If this year brings little rain, it will be 3 dry years in a row. I understand that this fire has burned an area as big as New York City.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2016, 10:52:20 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "cc la femme"ac_crying  The animals



"Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch  .. and in so many ways



And this fire storm is nature in its ruthless  natural action exactly as it has always been. Whether people or animals are there or not is of no concern to the cycles of nature.



Since forests and / or long grass first exited .... trees grew,  got old,  dropped limbs, undergrowth filled in and lightning struck ... infernos grew and moved according to the winds, and often lightning from within the hot clouds of the closed environment of the firestorm  starting new sections burning, huge areas at a time burned  ... then silence ... just black with no food for animals ... then sprigs start to grow and a new cycle begins all over again and repeats that cycle over and over again endlessly .. and each cycle always ending in total destruction



And yes, animals die when the wind is high and they cannot outrun the fires or outguess the wind's turns of direction ... or the infernos  own-created winds throw more curves at them and unexpectedly create  new wind / fire / smoke directions that vary greatly from the "outside" wind.



 "Nature" is a ruthless and heatless son of  bitch that never stops its killing cycles

That vile slob Elizabeth May is exploiting this tragedy for political purposes. Climate change is the culprit she moans. If Fort McMurray's main industry was taxpayer subsidized artificial industry instead of crude oil there would be no massive wild fire. :001_rolleyes:


Nothing to do with global warming? Canada must be exempt? News coverage shows lots of devastation.

The fire was not caused by lightning strikes and the most likely caused by people being careless with fires as most wild fires..



Herman is right, Elizabeth May is a politician with an agenda and not interested in facts.



Fort McMurray wildfire likely caused by humans: U of A professor

http://globalnews.ca/news/2684741/fort-mcmurray-wildfire-likely-caused-by-humans/



No, nature is not to blame for the Fort McMurray fire. If only it were that simple

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/colby-cosh-no-nature-is-not-to-blame-for-the-fort-mcmurray-fire-if-only-it-were-that-simple

Just so you know Fash, even Elizabeth May was forced to concede that no such single event can be said to have been caused by climate change. She's a still a scumbag and I am sure she wishes Fort McMurray was destroyed permanently.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2016, 10:15:36 PM
As big as the wildfire is now I heard on the news it could double in size by tomorrow.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2016, 12:48:48 AM
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"As big as the wildfire is now I heard on the news it could double in size by tomorrow.

Man, they need some heavy rain there.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2016, 08:56:24 AM
The fire could grow to 300,000 square kilometres and could take months to extinguish.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: easter bunny on May 08, 2016, 01:21:15 PM
The fleas expect to have the dog under control as soon as it goes to sleep.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on May 08, 2016, 08:45:07 PM
The first nations communities need to start their rain dance.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 08, 2016, 11:06:24 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"The fire could grow to 300,000 square kilometres and could take months to extinguish.

It could last until the snow flies.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2016, 12:45:32 PM
Some extremist politicians cannot resist the urge to exploit the fires around Fort McMurray. This time it is a town of Taber I.T. manager and former provincial NDP candidate who called it "cosmic payback"  and "Karmic"for the city's oilsands-based economy adding to climate change. He has since deleted and apologized for the stupid and dishonest tweet, but he has been suspended from his job with the town of Taber.



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/tom-moffatt-karmic-tweet-fort-mcmurray-fire-suspension-1.3573156
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: cc on May 14, 2016, 09:16:03 PM
I'm not a great cat person, but here's a good story from the Ft City



Fort McMurray cat rides out raging wildfire inside toppled stove (//https)



For one Fort McMurray cat, it turned out the best place to ride out a raging wildfire was inside a stove.



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Jody Lishchynsky says that's where firefighters found her black cat Tux when they were going through the rubble of what used to be her house.



From what she understands, firefighters are speculating an explosion in the home might have blown out the stove glass, and Tux crawled inside. Then another blast or something else caused the appliance to topple onto its side, trapping Tux while simultaneously protecting him from the flames



............ "We gathered for about 15 minutes. We had a nice pile of photos in the kitchen, ready to go," she says. But then, "the wind shifted, and it jumped the highway. It came down over our hill in minutes. We had to run. We weren't expecting it at all."



She, her son, her roommate and her brother jumped into their truck, along with the family dog, with only what they had in their arms. The photos, the documents and four cats all had to be left behind.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:50:47 AM
I am not a cat person either ceec, but that is a hell of a story.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 03:50:38 PM
Quote from: "cc la femme"I'm not a great cat person, but here's a good story from the Ft City



Fort McMurray cat rides out raging wildfire inside toppled stove (//https)



For one Fort McMurray cat, it turned out the best place to ride out a raging wildfire was inside a stove.



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Jody Lishchynsky says that's where firefighters found her black cat Tux when they were going through the rubble of what used to be her house.



From what she understands, firefighters are speculating an explosion in the home might have blown out the stove glass, and Tux crawled inside. Then another blast or something else caused the appliance to topple onto its side, trapping Tux while simultaneously protecting him from the flames



............ "We gathered for about 15 minutes. We had a nice pile of photos in the kitchen, ready to go," she says. But then, "the wind shifted, and it jumped the highway. It came down over our hill in minutes. We had to run. We weren't expecting it at all."



She, her son, her roommate and her brother jumped into their truck, along with the family dog, with only what they had in their arms. The photos, the documents and four cats all had to be left behind.

A great feel good story cc la femme and a beautiful kitty too.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2016, 09:01:08 AM
Was just now doing some housekeeping on another forum and found this piece which I had first posted a couple of years ago.



In view of the Ft. Mac fire, it seems still to be of interest.



//http://www.desmog.ca/2014/07/15/new-map-shows-dramatic-time-lapse-tar-sands-deforestation
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2016, 11:36:15 AM
^^Blaming the victim. Posting information from the one of many foreign funded anti Canadian oil blogs and sites? :crazy:  



That part of Alberta has planted tens of millions of trees. Save for the new clear cuts where cities now exist, it is has more trees today than a century ago. I will let you in on a little secret Canadians already know; when you see the inaccurate term "tarsands", you are reading propaganda. Our other heavy industries and workers are facing similar big money smear campaigns. Keep this in mind before you post Tom Steyer and Rockefeller financed dishonesty.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: kiebers on May 23, 2016, 02:17:26 PM
Wonder if a squadron of these would have helped???
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 10:17:50 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"^^Blaming the victim. Posting information from the one of many foreign funded anti Canadian oil blogs and sites? :crazy:  



That part of Alberta has planted tens of millions of trees. Save for the new clear cuts where cities now exist, it is has more trees today than a century ago. I will let you in on a little secret Canadians already know; when you see the inaccurate term "tarsands", you are reading propaganda. Our other heavy industries and workers are facing similar big money smear campaigns. Keep this in mind before you post Tom Steyer and Rockefeller financed dishonesty.


The term "tar sands" has been in general use for well over a century.  While it isn't technically accurate, it's hardly enough different from "bitumen sands" to be a valid revelator of the user's opinions on ecological issues.  I've seen it used here and there by people in the extraction business, the emissions business, and virtually any other sort of resources-oriented business one might think of.



Please advise me how I am to find Tom Steyer's money trail, or the Rockefellers' money trail, to this blog article, and then I may consider your ad hominems (and other efforts to impeach the source) as something other than the fulminations of someone who seems to have an unstated agenda.



As to the article itself, I'm already aware that forest fires are a natural balancing mechanism in many instances -- and this ought to provide a grain of salt for anyone reading the article.  



But altogether...if you seek to educate an educable man, you can do it more effectively than by smearing my motives for posting a piece which you seem to be rejecting without any clear proof of its dishonesty.  However, if your only aim is to prescribe to me what I'm to be allowed to post on this forum, I'm afraid you're wasting your time.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 10:41:45 AM
The oil sands are a mixture of inorganic matter, silt, clay, water and viscous oil called bitumen. Tar, in contrast, is a modified pitch produced primarily from wood and roots. They serve completely different purposes and therefore deserve different names.



Canada's heaviest grades of oil have a smaller land footprint per barrel than light sweet crude. It uses much less land per energy produced than wind power. North East Alberta has not been deforested despite having it's population grow by leaps and bounds.



The claims in your article were bullshit, but we in Canada have come to expect that from all the big money groups in the US and the Middle East that do not want any competition.



I realize you do not give a damn about accuracy or more importantly honesty, but I will defend Canadian jobs and industry from any and all direct attacks. Especially one as blatantly dishonest as the one you posted.



We do things right in this country. I realize there are well financed vested interests beyond our borders that want to disparage us, but not really the time to falsely accuse the victim.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 11:00:51 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"The oil sands are a mixture of inorganic matter, silt, clay, water and viscous oil called bitumen. Tar, in contrast, is a modified pitch produced primarily from wood and roots. They serve completely different purposes and therefore deserve different names.



Canada's heaviest grades of oil have a smaller land footprint per barrel than light sweet crude. It uses much less land per energy produced than wind power. North East Alberta has not been deforested despite having it's population grow by leaps and bounds.



[size=150]The claims in your article were bullshit[/size], but we in Canada have come to expect that from all the big money groups in the US and the Middle East that do not want any competition.

I am still willing to hear any sort of rational refutation, or even an identification, of the (offensive) claims you label simply as "bullshit."  As I've already said, I'm an educable man who has no predetermined agenda in this matter.  




Quote
[size=150]I realize you do not give a damn about accuracy or more importantly honesty[/size], but I will defend Canadian jobs and industry from any and all direct attacks. Especially one as blatantly dishonest as the one you posted.



We do things right in this country. I realize there are well financed vested interests beyond our borders that want to disparage us, but not really the time to falsely accuse the victim.

Sir, I have posted a two year old article and observed that I found it interesting.  If I had discerned any "blatant dishonesty" in the article, I would have said so or simply not posted it.  



You are going a bit overboard in impugning my honesty and character, and I take umbrage at it.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 11:03:09 AM
Peaches, what do you think Seoul just did?



He exposed your dishonest editorial for the lies it is.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
QuoteI am still willing to hear any sort of rational refutation, or even an identification, of the (offensive) claims you label simply as "bullshit." As I've already said, I'm an educable man who has no predetermined agenda in this matter.

No, you are not or you would not be posting propaganda from Tides funded stooges.



Twelve million new trees planted despite booming population growth and deforestation. Fash and Shen Li live in that province. Herman has worked for years in the area. Did you really think you were going to fall as easily and as hard for this kind of ubiquitous misinformation as you have?
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: kiebers on May 24, 2016, 11:31:13 AM
Funny thing about the strictest definition of "tar", all along the Gulf Coast the sticky balls of black substance that are on the beaches are called "tar" and have been all of my 62 years of life and is how my parents and grand parents referred to it. These, of course, are from oil. I think most of us are aware that the dictionary does not always have all definitions of a word.



Oil formed from the decay of organic materials, so "tarsands" is as accurate as anything else.



Seems people are rather sensitive today if this thread was moved to RR.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 24, 2016, 11:37:27 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"Peaches, what do you think Seoul just did?



He exposed your dishonest editorial for the lies it is.

Um, not really.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 24, 2016, 11:39:06 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
QuoteI am still willing to hear any sort of rational refutation, or even an identification, of the (offensive) claims you label simply as "bullshit." As I've already said, I'm an educable man who has no predetermined agenda in this matter.

No, you are not or you would not be posting propaganda from Tides funded stooges.



Twelve million new trees planted despite booming population growth and deforestation. Fash and Shen Li live in that province. Herman has worked for years in the area. Did you really think you were going to fall as easily and as hard for this kind of ubiquitous misinformation as you have?

You realise Alberta is a fair size province and there is quite the distance between Calgary and the oil patch right?  There is a lesser distance but still once between Edmonton and the patch and even a bigger one between Saskatchewan and the patch.



Link up bro.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 24, 2016, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"^^Blaming the victim. Posting information from the one of many foreign funded anti Canadian oil blogs and sites? :crazy:  



That part of Alberta has planted tens of millions of trees. Save for the new clear cuts where cities now exist, it is has more trees today than a century ago. I will let you in on a little secret Canadians already know; when you see the inaccurate term "tarsands", you are reading propaganda. Our other heavy industries and workers are facing similar big money smear campaigns. Keep this in mind before you post Tom Steyer and Rockefeller financed dishonesty.


So I checked into things and here's what the Alberta Government has to say on this issue:



Mining disturbance in Alberta's oil sands region has significant land impacts. Industry is legally obligated to reclaim all disturbed land to a productive state, and return it to the Government of Alberta. Mines are often in operation for decades and reclamation activities on these sites can subsequently take decades to complete.



As the oil sands industry has matured, reclamation efforts are accelerating. As of December 31, 2013, about 82 square kilometres are under active reclamation, and significant investment by industry and government enables continual improvement in reclamation technology and techniques.



The oil sands underlie a 142,200 km2 area in northeastern Alberta. The oil sands surface mining area is limited to a 4,800 km2 region near Fort McMurray – 813 km2 was cleared, disturbed, or ready for reclamation as of December 31, 2013 (~0.2 per cent of Alberta's boreal forest).

About 82km2 is under active reclamation.



Industry has planted more than 12 million tree seedlings towards reclamation efforts.



80 per cent of the oil sands are accessible by in situ methods only (bitumen is separated from the sand underground and pumped to the surface).



In situ's land disturbance is 10 to 15 per cent of a similar sized mining operation and produces no tailings ponds.



http://www.oilsands.alberta.ca/reclamation.html



Now THIS is how you respond to an article rather than getting defensively shrill.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 11:46:05 AM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"Peaches, what do you think Seoul just did?



He exposed your dishonest editorial for the lies it is.

Um, not really.

Yes, he did and he was right too..



And I have been to North East Alberta..



I drove to an open camp North of Fort McMurray to meet my husband when he was on a job in the area..



Shen Li knows that area like the back of her hand..



I believe Herman has worked in that area too, but I'm not sure..



What does Peaches have?



A dishonest blog that receives funding and expertise from a giant US clearing house that takes advantage of our charitable status loopholes?



I too did not know whether to laugh or shake my head at his post.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: kiebers on May 24, 2016, 11:52:16 AM
Quote from: "RW"
Now THIS is how you respond to an article rather than getting defensively shrill.

Exactly.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 24, 2016, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "Fashionista"Peaches, what do you think Seoul just did?



He exposed your dishonest editorial for the lies it is.

Um, not really.

Yes, he did and he was right too..



And I have been to North East Alberta..



I drove to an open camp North of Fort McMurray to meet my husband when he was on a job in the area..



Shen Li knows that area like the back of her hand..



I believe Herman has worked in that area too, but I'm not sure..



What does Peaches have?



A dishonest blog that receives funding and expertise from a giant US clearing house that takes advantage of our charitable status loopholes?



I too did not know whether to laugh or shake my head at his post.

Did you bother to follow the research path before you called off on said blog?  Have you bothered to look into it rather than just be a typical defensive Albertan who writes off every single environmental agency because they don't pat the oil sands on the back?



You oil types really have to stop getting all up in arms about anything anyone says that isn't sunshine and light about your precious oil sands.  It's an UGLY scar on the land and northern Alberta.  That's what industry looks like.  The FACT is they have cut down trees to carry out their operations, which they clearly do or there would be no need for reclamation projects.  This is all CONFIRMED by your own government.  



What is there to be up in arms about?
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: kiebers on May 24, 2016, 11:54:08 AM
Quote from: "RW"
What is there to be up in arms about?

That's what I wondered about as well. Get all bent out of shape instead of discussing rationally.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 11:56:38 AM
QuoteMining disturbance in Alberta's oil sands region has significant land impacts.

All mining has a big land disturbance. But, mining in that industry has land footprint about half the size of the city of Edmonton.



The reason that solar power, wind power, and ethanol are so expensive is that they are derived from very diffuse energy sources. It takes a lot of energy collectors such as solar cells, wind turbines, or corn stalks covering many square miles of land to produce the same amount of power that traditional coal, natural gas, or nuclear plants can on just a few acres.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 24, 2016, 11:57:02 AM
Quote from: "kiebers"
Quote from: "RW"
What is there to be up in arms about?

That's what I wondered about as well. Get all bent out of shape instead of discussing rationally.

There is NO rational discussion when it comes to talking to Albertans about the damn oil patch.



I grew up in an industry town.  I KNOW first hand what the environmental (and human) consequences are of not maintaining a close eye on mining related industry.  Why anyone fights stewardship is beyond me.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 24, 2016, 11:57:54 AM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
QuoteMining disturbance in Alberta's oil sands region has significant land impacts.

All mining has a big land disturbance. But, mining in that industry has land footprint about half the size of the city of Edmonton.



The reason that solar power, wind power, and ethanol are so expensive is that they are derived from very diffuse energy sources. It takes a lot of energy collectors such as solar cells, wind turbines, or corn stalks covering many square miles of land to produce the same amount of power that traditional coal, natural gas, or nuclear plants can on just a few acres.

Okay, so you are agreeing that mining has a big land disturbance, thus SUPPORTING what Peaches posted.



 :001_rolleyes:  :001_rolleyes:  :001_rolleyes:  :001_rolleyes:  :001_rolleyes:  :001_rolleyes:
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: kiebers on May 24, 2016, 12:03:03 PM
:laugh:  :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 12:06:12 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "kiebers"
Quote from: "RW"
What is there to be up in arms about?

That's what I wondered about as well. Get all bent out of shape instead of discussing rationally.

There is NO rational discussion when it comes to talking to Albertans about the damn oil patch.



I grew up in an industry town.  I KNOW first hand what the environmental (and human) consequences are of not maintaining a close eye on mining related industry.  Why anyone fights stewardship is beyond me.

We are not talking about the oil patch..



We are asking why would Peaches post a blatantly dishonest editorial from a source that receives funding to tar and feather an industry of Canada?



It is like Elizabeth May using the tragedy to for political purposes..



But, there is not rational discussion with British Columbians when it the darn environment.



Besides, this is really not the time for such thoughtless agendas..



Our opposition leader in the Alberta legislature said the temporary shut down of production in that area shaved about one half of one per cent off of our GDP.



Would a wild fire that temporarily halted production of cars in Ontario have politicians and billionaire funded non government organizations writing editorials saying they brought it on themselves while people are suffering?
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 12:09:13 PM
QuoteWould a wild fire that temporarily halted production of cars in Ontario have politicians and billionaire funded non government organizations writing editorials saying they brought it on themselves while people are suffering?

Hell no. The praise of that industry would flow. Which is ironic because they are dependent on the petrochemical industry.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 24, 2016, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "kiebers"
Quote from: "RW"
What is there to be up in arms about?

That's what I wondered about as well. Get all bent out of shape instead of discussing rationally.

There is NO rational discussion when it comes to talking to Albertans about the damn oil patch.



I grew up in an industry town.  I KNOW first hand what the environmental (and human) consequences are of not maintaining a close eye on mining related industry.  Why anyone fights stewardship is beyond me.

We are not talking about the oil patch..



We are asking why would Peaches post a blatantly dishonest editorial from a source that receives funding to tar and feather an industry of Canada?



It is like Elizabeth May using the tragedy to for political purposes..



But, there is not rational discussion with British Columbians when it the darn environment.



Besides, this is really not the time for such thoughtless agendas..



Our opposition leader in the Alberta legislature said the temporary shut down of production in that area shaved about one half of one per cent off of our GDP.



Would a wild fire that temporarily halted production of cars in Ontario have politicians and billionaire funded non government organizations writing editorials saying they brought it on themselves while people are suffering?

And he did that how?  By posting an article linked to RESEARCH about trees in the oil patch?



Playing the "think of the fire victims" card is just dishonest.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 12:26:49 PM
^^You would say something like that.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 24, 2016, 12:27:23 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"^^You would say something like that.

What?  The truth?



Of course I would.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 12:29:40 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "seoulbro"^^You would say something like that.

What?  The truth?



Of course I would.

Tides funded truth about deforestation. What an idiot. :laugh3:
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 24, 2016, 12:30:23 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "seoulbro"^^You would say something like that.

What?  The truth?



Of course I would.

Tides funded truth about deforestation. What an idiot. :laugh3:

Show me where Tides funded said research.



Your own government agrees with it.



DERP.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 12:34:34 PM
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "seoulbro"^^You would say something like that.

What?  The truth?



Of course I would.

Tides funded truth about deforestation. What an idiot. :laugh3:

Show me where Tides funded said research.



Your own government agrees with it.



DERP.

Not that I need to show a snake like you anything, but that blog receives money from Tides.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 24, 2016, 12:35:06 PM
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "RW"
Quote from: "seoulbro"^^You would say something like that.

What?  The truth?



Of course I would.

Tides funded truth about deforestation. What an idiot. :laugh3:

Show me where Tides funded said research.



Your own government agrees with it.



DERP.

Not that I need to show a snake like you anything, but that blog receives money from Tides.

A snake like me?  Okay soon.



LOL!
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: "Fashionista"Peaches, what do you think Seoul just did?



He exposed your dishonest editorial for the lies it is.


It is a blog entry, not an editorial.  Still, by definition, that makes it an opinion piece.



However, it is not "my" piece and I have not endorsed it beyond saying that two years ago I found it interesting, and still do.



Yet...if you imagine that your calling it "dishonest" and "lies" actually makes it so, I will just point out that you've not bothered to disprove or refute a single word of it with anything but your own opinion.  No facts, no links, just hot air.



The same thing Seoul is trying to do.




Quote from: "seoulbro"
No, you are not or you would not be posting propaganda from Tides funded stooges.

Put up or step off, is all I've got for you.  Your insults are unwarranted and still unsupported.




Quote from: "kiebers"
Seems people are rather sensitive today if this thread was moved to RR.

If I were modding, I'd have split the thread starting with my post and moved all the hurt feelings to the flame board, unless RR **IS** the flame board.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 04:14:31 PM
I work on the in-situ side of oilsands production. Well, I did anyway until very recently. We have a much smaller land disturbance than conventional oil. In fact, at our facility we plant 3.5 trees for every one harvested. Hydroelectrucity and agriculture destroy more forests than oil and gas development.



The boreal forest has suffered little deforestation, defined as the permanent conversion of forest area to non-forest due to activities associated with agriculture, urban or recreational development, oil and gas development, and flooding. Canada as a whole has 91% of the forest cover that existed at the dawn of European settlement.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 24, 2016, 04:34:12 PM
Quote from: "Shen Li"I work on the in-situ side of oilsands production. Well, I did anyway until very recently. We have a much smaller land disturbance than conventional oil. In fact, at our facility we plant 3.5 trees for every one harvested. Hydroelectrucity and agriculture destroy more forests than oil and gas development.



The boreal forest has suffered little deforestation, defined as the permanent conversion of forest area to non-forest due to activities associated with agriculture, urban or recreational development, oil and gas development, and flooding. Canada as a whole has 91% of the forest cover that existed at the dawn of European settlement.


Thank you.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: RW on May 24, 2016, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: "Peaches"
Quote from: "Fashionista"Peaches, what do you think Seoul just did?



He exposed your dishonest editorial for the lies it is.


It is a blog entry, not an editorial.  Still, by definition, that makes it an opinion piece.



However, it is not "my" piece and I have not endorsed it beyond saying that two years ago I found it interesting, and still do.



Yet...if you imagine that your calling it "dishonest" and "lies" actually makes it so, I will just point out that you've not bothered to disprove or refute a single word of it with anything but your own opinion.  No facts, no links, just hot air.



The same thing Seoul is trying to do.




Quote from: "seoulbro"
No, you are not or you would not be posting propaganda from Tides funded stooges.

Put up or step off, is all I've got for you.  Your insults are unwarranted and still unsupported.




Quote from: "kiebers"
Seems people are rather sensitive today if this thread was moved to RR.

If I were modding, I'd have split the thread starting with my post and moved all the hurt feelings to the flame board, unless RR **IS** the flame board.


 :thumbup:
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Blurt on May 25, 2016, 05:41:40 AM
Well, regardless of political issues, my thoughts are still with those up in Fort Mac.



Losing your shit in real life is always worse than losing your shit in the world of ideas.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 25, 2016, 11:58:54 AM
Quote from: "Shen Li"I work on the in-situ side of oilsands production. Well, I did anyway until very recently. We have a much smaller land disturbance than conventional oil. In fact, at our facility we plant 3.5 trees for every one harvested. Hydroelectrucity and agriculture destroy more forests than oil and gas development.



The boreal forest has suffered little deforestation, defined as the permanent conversion of forest area to non-forest due to activities associated with agriculture, urban or recreational development, oil and gas development, and flooding. Canada as a whole has 91% of the forest cover that existed at the dawn of European settlement.

I remember you wrote you owned a condo up there. Is it still there?



Good to see you back.
Title: Re: My thoughts are with those up in Fort Mac.
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2016, 12:53:10 AM
Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Shen Li"I work on the in-situ side of oilsands production. Well, I did anyway until very recently. We have a much smaller land disturbance than conventional oil. In fact, at our facility we plant 3.5 trees for every one harvested. Hydroelectrucity and agriculture destroy more forests than oil and gas development.



The boreal forest has suffered little deforestation, defined as the permanent conversion of forest area to non-forest due to activities associated with agriculture, urban or recreational development, oil and gas development, and flooding. Canada as a whole has 91% of the forest cover that existed at the dawn of European settlement.

I remember you wrote you owned a condo up there. Is it still there?



Good to see you back.

Thanx.



As is stand we can go back up there as of June 1. We had it rented to a co worker of my husband. He will go up and see how it looks.
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