Title: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 12, 2016, 09:45:40 PM
Post by: JOE on May 12, 2016, 09:45:40 PM
U.S. immigration officials are planning a month-long series of raids in May and June to deport hundreds of Central American mothers and children found to have entered the country illegally, according to sources and an internal document seen by Reuters.
The operation would likely be the largest deportation sweep targeting immigrant families by the administration of President Barack Obama this year after a similar drive over two days in January that focused on Georgia, Texas, and North Carolina.
Those raids, which resulted in the detention of 121 people, mostly women and children, sparked an outcry from immigration advocates and criticism from some Democrats, including the party's presidential election frontrunner Hillary Clinton.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has now told field offices nationwide to launch a 30-day "surge" of arrests focused on mothers and children who have already been told to leave the United States, the document seen by Reuters said. The operation would also cover minors who have entered the country without a guardian and since turned 18 years of age, the document said. Two sources confirmed the details of the plan.
The exact dates of the latest series of raids were not known and the details of the operation could change.
The operation in January marked a departure for ICE, part of the Department of Homeland Security, from one-off deportations to high-profile raids meant to deter migrants from coming to the United States.
An ICE spokeswoman said the agency does not "confirm or deny the existence of specific ongoing or future law enforcement actions." The spokeswoman said immigrants who arrived illegally after Jan. 1, 2014 are priorities for removal.
Federal resources were strained in 2014 under a wave of illegal migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, especially women and children fleeing violence in Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala.
The planned new raids are in response to a renewed surge of illegal entries by Central American women traveling with their children.
From October 2015 through March 2016, the U.S. Border Patrol apprehended more than 32,000 family "units", defined as mothers and children traveling together, for crossing illegally into the United States. Over the same period in 2014-2015, there were about 14,000 such apprehensions; in 2013-2014, about 19,800.
(Graphic on immigration patterns of Central American migrants: tmsnrt.rs/1qglGZG)
Many of those apprehended for unlawful entry are put into deportation proceedings in court but do not show up for their scheduled appearance before a judge or ignore court orders to leave the country.
The surge in illegal border crossings has put Obama in a tough spot in a presidential election year in which he wants to see a fellow Democrat elected as his successor.
Obama has said criminal immigrants and those who have recently entered the country are priorities for deportation. He is regularly hammered by Republicans over the presence of more than 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country.
But Hispanic-Americans tend to vote for Democrats, who are more sympathetic to the plight of the undocumented.
Clinton raised concerns about the January raids at the time, saying they had "sown fear and division in immigrant communities."
The presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has pledged to build a wall along the Mexican border to prevent illegal immigration.
Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson told a U.S. Senate panel in March that the January raids had helped to deter Central Americans from migrating illegally. Border Patrol reported fewer illegal entries between January and March 2016 compared to October and December 2015, but there were more apprehended than over the same time period in early 2015.
A separate document seen by Reuters said Johnson was concerned about the most recent uptick in border crossings.
Immigration advocates say they have asked Johnson to abandon plans for future raids.
"Raids are not the answer," said Marielena Hincapie, executive director of the National Immigration Law Center, a legal aide and advocacy group for migrants.
"This is a humanitarian challenge," she said.
(Editing by Kevin Drawbaugh and Stuart Grudgings)
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 09:47:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 09:47:02 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 12, 2016, 09:50:06 PM
Post by: JOE on May 12, 2016, 09:50:06 PM
Good for the INS. They are finally doing their job.Quote from: "Herman"
I think they should legalize all the domestics and burger flippers, but limit them to those jobs and nothing else.
Nor can they sponsor anyone on such visas.
And if they want access to education for themselves or children,health services they pay for it.
Also, make it clear to them, that such visas can never be upgraded to anything higher, and that the only way a person can gain path to citizenship is a minimum of 7 years in the military or death in combat, whichever comes first.
they've got free trade visas for working professionals, so why not a lower class of workers?
If they pay the taxes, but are documented, it could be a win-win. just my two bits tho
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 09:53:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 09:53:17 PM
Good for the INS. They are finally doing their job.Quote from: "Herman"
I think they should legalize all the domestics and burger flippers, but limit them to those jobs and nothing else.
Nor can they sponsor anyone on such visas.
And if they want access to education for themselves or children,health services they pay for it.
Also, make it clear to them, that such visas can never be upgraded to anything higher, and that the only way a person can gain path to citizenship is a minimum of 7 years in the military or death in combat, whichever comes first.
they've got free trade visas for working professionals, so why not a lower class of workers?
If they pay the taxes, but are documented, it could be a win-win. just my two bits tho
No way should any illegal be allowed to stay in that country without going home first and doing a thorough back ground check.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 10:03:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 10:03:53 PM
Good for the INS. They are finally doing their job.Quote from: "Herman"
I think they should legalize all the domestics and burger flippers, but limit them to those jobs and nothing else.
Nor can they sponsor anyone on such visas.
And if they want access to education for themselves or children,health services they pay for it.
Also, make it clear to them, that such visas can never be upgraded to anything higher, and that the only way a person can gain path to citizenship is a minimum of 7 years in the military or death in combat, whichever comes first.
they've got free trade visas for working professionals, so why not a lower class of workers?
If they pay the taxes, but are documented, it could be a win-win. just my two bits tho
The United States needs those undocumented workers. The agricultural industry especially.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 10:22:06 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 10:22:06 PM
Good for the INS. They are finally doing their job.Quote from: "Herman"
I think they should legalize all the domestics and burger flippers, but limit them to those jobs and nothing else.
Nor can they sponsor anyone on such visas.
And if they want access to education for themselves or children,health services they pay for it.
Also, make it clear to them, that such visas can never be upgraded to anything higher, and that the only way a person can gain path to citizenship is a minimum of 7 years in the military or death in combat, whichever comes first.
they've got free trade visas for working professionals, so why not a lower class of workers?
If they pay the taxes, but are documented, it could be a win-win. just my two bits tho
The United States needs those undocumented workers. The agricultural industry especially.
I know that. But, ideally national security should never be compromised.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on May 12, 2016, 10:35:16 PM
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on May 12, 2016, 10:35:16 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 11:06:01 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 11:06:01 PM
The United States needs to be more tolerant. They should allow all Mexicans and Central Americans in and give them all $10, 000 dollars each to get established in their new country.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
You should send them your social assistance cheques Joak.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 11:08:44 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 11:08:44 PM
Good for the INS. They are finally doing their job.Quote from: "Herman"
I think they should legalize all the domestics and burger flippers, but limit them to those jobs and nothing else.
Nor can they sponsor anyone on such visas.
And if they want access to education for themselves or children,health services they pay for it.
Also, make it clear to them, that such visas can never be upgraded to anything higher, and that the only way a person can gain path to citizenship is a minimum of 7 years in the military or death in combat, whichever comes first.
they've got free trade visas for working professionals, so why not a lower class of workers?
If they pay the taxes, but are documented, it could be a win-win. just my two bits tho
The United States needs those undocumented workers. The agricultural industry especially.
That is true. And the US cannot possibly deport the millions of undocumented aliens. This problem has been ongoing for many decades. It will not be fixed over night despite what Trump says.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: cc on May 12, 2016, 11:28:25 PM
Post by: cc on May 12, 2016, 11:28:25 PM
This is the 3rd time the admin said something like this and it went nowhere.
O ain't gonna do nuthin on this .. . ever
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 11:30:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 11:30:11 PM
Joe you re such a sap .. and to the extent of creating a thread in 2 forums on such drivelQuote from: "cc la femme"
This is the 3rd time the admin said something like this and it went nowhere.
O ain't gonna do nuthin .. .ever
Can you please cc la femme?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: cc on May 12, 2016, 11:31:57 PM
Post by: cc on May 12, 2016, 11:31:57 PM
if not that, then I'm not sure what you meant Fash
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 11:35:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 12, 2016, 11:35:00 PM
maybe you misunderstood me - by Admin I meant the US AdministrationQuote from: "cc la femme"
otherwise, I'm not sure what you meant Fash
Oh okay cc, that makes sense..
I thought you meant myself or RW said something to JOE..
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: cc on May 12, 2016, 11:36:40 PM
Post by: cc on May 12, 2016, 11:36:40 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: ELPHUPPHY on May 13, 2016, 09:02:18 AM
Post by: ELPHUPPHY on May 13, 2016, 09:02:18 AM
Good for the INS. They are finally doing their job.Quote from: "Herman"
I think they should legalize all the domestics and burger flippers, but limit them to those jobs and nothing else.
Nor can they sponsor anyone on such visas.
And if they want access to education for themselves or children,health services they pay for it.
Also, make it clear to them, that such visas can never be upgraded to anything higher, and that the only way a person can gain path to citizenship is a minimum of 7 years in the military or death in combat, whichever comes first.
they've got free trade visas for working professionals, so why not a lower class of workers?
If they pay the taxes, but are documented, it could be a win-win. just my two bits tho
The United States needs those undocumented workers. The agricultural industry especially.
I know that. But, ideally national security should never be compromised.
The US does NOT need illegal immigrants. And that's the correct term, not undocumented. They are here illegally, and I applaud the efforts to find them and ship them the fuck back where they came.
I'm all for LEGAL immigrants coming here and working at whatever they can. Glad to have them here, put out the welcome mat, etc. etc. etc. Illegals can be rounded up and shot for all I care.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 09:06:30 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 09:06:30 AM
But, do they not do jobs Americans will not do?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: ELPHUPPHY on May 13, 2016, 09:10:28 AM
Post by: ELPHUPPHY on May 13, 2016, 09:10:28 AM
They are in the USA illegally ELPHPPHY..Quote from: "Fashionista"
But, do they not do jobs Americans will not do?
They may very well do jobs that Americans do not do. That doesn't change the fact they are here illegally and are breaking the law.
Those jobs that the illegals do now should be assigned to people on wlefare/unemployment. Let them earn their money, and if they don't like the jobs they do, maybe that will help them find other work they like better.
In any case, let's not overlook the main issue here. ILLEGALS are here ILLEGALLY and need to go.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 09:22:41 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 09:22:41 AM
They are in the USA illegally ELPHPPHY..Quote from: "Fashionista"
But, do they not do jobs Americans will not do?
They may very well do jobs that Americans do not do.That doesn't change the fact they are here illegally and are breaking the law.
Those jobs that the illegals do now should be assigned to people on wlefare/unemployment. Let them earn their money, and if they don't like the jobs they do, maybe that will help them find other work they like better.
In any case, let's not overlook the main issue here. ILLEGALS are here ILLEGALLY and need to go.
I think that is the point Herman is making too ELPHUPPHY..
That and the security risk posed by illegal immigration.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: ELPHUPPHY on May 13, 2016, 09:24:09 AM
Post by: ELPHUPPHY on May 13, 2016, 09:24:09 AM
They are in the USA illegally ELPHPPHY..Quote from: "Fashionista"
But, do they not do jobs Americans will not do?
They may very well do jobs that Americans do not do.That doesn't change the fact they are here illegally and are breaking the law.
Those jobs that the illegals do now should be assigned to people on wlefare/unemployment. Let them earn their money, and if they don't like the jobs they do, maybe that will help them find other work they like better.
In any case, let's not overlook the main issue here. ILLEGALS are here ILLEGALLY and need to go.
I think that is the point Herman is making too ELPHUPPHY..
That and the security risk posed by illegal immigration.
A point I whole-heartedly agree with.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 13, 2016, 09:54:18 AM
Post by: Renee on May 13, 2016, 09:54:18 AM
As the old joke goes......What's does a fat blonde chick and a brick have in common?.......Sooner or later they're both going to get laid by a Mexican.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 11:45:38 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 11:45:38 AM
I'm kinda bummed about this. The INS is cutting down on my potential dating pool.Quote from: "Renee":negative:
As the old joke goes......What's does a fat blonde chick and a brick have in common?.......Sooner or later they're both going to get laid by a Mexican.ac_biggrin
That is a good one.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 13, 2016, 01:26:58 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 13, 2016, 01:26:58 PM
Good for the INS. They are finally doing their job.Quote from: "Herman"
I think they should legalize all the domestics and burger flippers, but limit them to those jobs and nothing else.
Nor can they sponsor anyone on such visas.
And if they want access to education for themselves or children,health services they pay for it.
Also, make it clear to them, that such visas can never be upgraded to anything higher, and that the only way a person can gain path to citizenship is a minimum of 7 years in the military or death in combat, whichever comes first.
they've got free trade visas for working professionals, so why not a lower class of workers?
If they pay the taxes, but are documented, it could be a win-win. just my two bits tho
The United States needs those undocumented workers. The agricultural industry especially.
Think about that $12. Bottle of good Sonoma valley wine costing $30. cause US citizens pick the grapes. Trumps gonna fix all that, along with busting unions and demanding skilled workers work for less. Bring our jobs home Daddy. To me Latinos legal or not are essential to to the Western states economy. If you don't think so you are in denial.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 04:15:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 04:15:19 PM
Good for the INS. They are finally doing their job.Quote from: "Herman"
I think they should legalize all the domestics and burger flippers, but limit them to those jobs and nothing else.
Nor can they sponsor anyone on such visas.
And if they want access to education for themselves or children,health services they pay for it.
Also, make it clear to them, that such visas can never be upgraded to anything higher, and that the only way a person can gain path to citizenship is a minimum of 7 years in the military or death in combat, whichever comes first.
they've got free trade visas for working professionals, so why not a lower class of workers?
If they pay the taxes, but are documented, it could be a win-win. just my two bits tho
The United States needs those undocumented workers. The agricultural industry especially.
Think about that $12. Bottle of good Sonoma valley wine costing $30. cause US citizens pick the grapes. Trumps gonna fix all that, along with busting unions and demanding skilled workers work for less. Bring our jobs home Daddy. To me Latinos legal or not are essential to to the Western states economy. If you don't think so you are in denial.
As I said to you before you have Trump confused with Hillary. He has the endorsement of at least one trade union and he is opposed to trade deals that Hillary favors and organized labor opposes. Look it up if you do not believe me.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 13, 2016, 05:41:38 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 13, 2016, 05:41:38 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 13, 2016, 07:27:43 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 13, 2016, 07:27:43 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 09:10:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 09:10:49 PM
Herman that doesn't make him right. He will bust every Union in the land. Why don't you see this. A Chinese person paid a lot less can make it for a lot less than a worker in California, New York, Ohio. How in the fuck can American worker compete? There is no way, unless wages are cut drastically. Almost all goods come from Asia. My bloody surf trunks I wear with Merican logos come from China. I have an epoxy surfboard make in China. Herman you are in denial. It just doesn't work out mathematically. He will pummel the working person. Herman he can't bring jobs home like he says.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
There is no point in discussing this when you obviously have not read either of their platforms. It is Hillary not Trump that has policies that unions oppose.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 14, 2016, 09:13:54 AM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 14, 2016, 09:13:54 AM
Herman that doesn't make him right. He will bust every Union in the land. Why don't you see this. A Chinese person paid a lot less can make it for a lot less than a worker in California, New York, Ohio. How in the fuck can American worker compete? There is no way, unless wages are cut drastically. Almost all goods come from Asia. My bloody surf trunks I wear with Merican logos come from China. I have an epoxy surfboard make in China. Herman you are in denial. It just doesn't work out mathematically. He will pummel the working person. Herman he can't bring jobs home like he says.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
There is no point in discussing this when you obviously have not read either of their platforms. It is Hillary not Trump that has policies that unions oppose.
Again Herman it doesn't work out on paper. A pay check with benefits for US workers will be a thing of the past, as this Bafoon promises to bring back jobs. Lets change the discussion to the Mexican wall. What are the chances? Your problem Herm is that you believe what he says, and he'll tell you anything. We're finding out now he acted as his press secretary a few years ago.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 14, 2016, 09:55:43 AM
Post by: JOE on May 14, 2016, 09:55:43 AM
The United States needs to be more tolerant. They should allow all Mexicans and Central Americans in and give them all $10, 000 dollars each to get established in their new country.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
More like....the United States should charge unskilled Mexicans and Central Americans an entrance fee for coming to their country and on top of that pay for all the services they use. A couple thousand dollars or more for each one could be a cash cow for the US.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 10:09:08 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 10:09:08 AM
The United States needs to be more tolerant. They should allow all Mexicans and Central Americans in and give them all $10, 000 dollars each to get established in their new country.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
More like....the United States should charge unskilled Mexicans and Central Americans an entrance fee for coming to their country and on top of that pay for all the services they use. A couple thousand dollars or more for each one could be a cash cow for the US.
I thought some states don't allow illegal aliens driver's licenses.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 10:15:42 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 10:15:42 AM
Herman that doesn't make him right. He will bust every Union in the land. Why don't you see this. A Chinese person paid a lot less can make it for a lot less than a worker in California, New York, Ohio. How in the fuck can American worker compete? There is no way, unless wages are cut drastically. Almost all goods come from Asia. My bloody surf trunks I wear with Merican logos come from China. I have an epoxy surfboard make in China. Herman you are in denial. It just doesn't work out mathematically. He will pummel the working person. Herman he can't bring jobs home like he says.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
There is no point in discussing this when you obviously have not read either of their platforms. It is Hillary not Trump that has policies that unions oppose.
Take everything TD says reverse it and then it is closer to reality.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 11:02:27 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 11:02:27 AM
Why Labor Union Members Like Trump
Why a billionaire Republican is winning a working class, historically Democratic constituency
The success of Donald Trump's blustery, ill-tempered and unpolished campaign for president has left the political class scratching its collective head, but there's at least one unlikely factor that unites many of the billionaire's GOP supporters: union membership.
There is deep economic anxiety among our members and the people we're trying to organize that I believe Donald Trump's message is tapping into," said Mary Kay Henry, president of the mostly-female, racially diverse and otherwise leftist Service Employee's International Union.
Though Trump's fierce anti-illegal immigration rhetoric and bombastic policy proposals—such as the building of a tall wall along the Mexican border to be paid for by Mexico—speak to the anxiety of many working class people who contend that illegal immigrants create an oversupply of unskilled labor that depresses wages, immigration isn't the only policy area where the Donald resonates with workers.
On Meet the Press last fall, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka, a democratic power broker, conceded of Trump's vague lambasting of bad trade agreements between the U.S. and other countries, that "probably every [union member] that hears him say it's a bad trade deal...they say amen that bad trade deals are bad for the country." Trump opposes the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade deal between the U.S. and other Pacific rim countries, a position he shares with few in the Republican establishment but many in the labor movement.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 14, 2016, 12:55:39 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 14, 2016, 12:55:39 PM
I'm kinda bummed about this. The INS is cutting down on my potential dating pool.Quote from: "Renee":negative:
As the old joke goes......What's does a fat blonde chick and a brick have in common?.......Sooner or later they're both going to get laid by a Mexican.ac_biggrin
That's a good one.. Probably heard this one before.
What's the slowest thing in the world. A Mexican funeral with one set of jumper cables.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 14, 2016, 01:04:53 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 14, 2016, 01:04:53 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 14, 2016, 01:09:14 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 14, 2016, 01:09:14 PM
Herman that doesn't make him right. He will bust every Union in the land. Why don't you see this. A Chinese person paid a lot less can make it for a lot less than a worker in California, New York, Ohio. How in the fuck can American worker compete? There is no way, unless wages are cut drastically. Almost all goods come from Asia. My bloody surf trunks I wear with Merican logos come from China. I have an epoxy surfboard make in China. Herman you are in denial. It just doesn't work out mathematically. He will pummel the working person. Herman he can't bring jobs home like he says.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
There is no point in discussing this when you obviously have not read either of their platforms. It is Hillary not Trump that has policies that unions oppose.
Take everything TD says reverse it and then it is closer to reality.:laugh3:
Please set me straight. How is all this bullshit going to work?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 14, 2016, 01:29:43 PM
Post by: JOE on May 14, 2016, 01:29:43 PM
Back to reality. How are US workers going to compete with Chinese workers? Will US workers work for less? Just don't see this happening. So how else can these manufacturing jobs come back? I don't care who the unions support. Please someone set me straight and tell me how this will work. How's that wall going get built?Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
One remedy might be the creation of a transnational labor code.
If they have laws for cases of international child custody and abduction, why not for labor standards as well?
So...corporations exporting jobs would be taxed for every job they send overseas and they would also pay for every worker they lay off due to outsourcing. In addition, they would not only pay exit fees from the nation they depart, they would pay entrance fees to the workers where they are setting up shop. And they would also be required to pay a fair living wage according to the purchasing power in those countries too.
So, they get hit twice in the pocketbook. One for leaving and one for entering. The reason many of these sleazy corporations get away with what they're doing is that the general population is too dumb and unaware to speak out against them. Apple computers is one of the biggest abusers of outsourced labor, and successive presidential administrations let them get away with what is essentially highway robbery. Many workers in China toil 12 hour days at meagre wages which has allowed Apple to become the biggest hitech company in the world. This isn't fair to the American worker nor companies such as GM and Ford which pay their workers a living wage with benefits.
So we definitely need a transnational labor code. If they're gonna shove TPP down our throats then the American and Canadian public should also demand new transnational labor laws which all trading nations should be signatories of. Right now, the corporations are getting away with highway robbery which is of course squeezing the Western worker and the Middle Class.
If all nations had to play on a level playing field with regards to labor and working condtions, there wouldn't be so much outsourcing. But we allow them to get away with what they do, so they abuse their power and the governments pony up to them and offer few or no protection for the workers in their own countries.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: cc on May 14, 2016, 01:33:36 PM
Post by: cc on May 14, 2016, 01:33:36 PM
I know you put a lot into it and it's a pretty theory.
Sorry, it won't even get a start let alone actually work
Only tariffs and "real" rules for Western American companies trying to operate from overseas will keep our people working real jobs
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 14, 2016, 03:30:57 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 14, 2016, 03:30:57 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: cc on May 15, 2016, 12:43:39 AM
Post by: cc on May 15, 2016, 12:43:39 AM
Back to reality. How are US workers going to compete with Chinese workers? Will US workers work for less? Just don't see this happening. So how else can these manufacturing jobs come back? I don't care who the unions support. Please someone set me straight and tell me how this will work. How's that wall going get built?Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
They are right. You don't "get it"
Think tariffs Mon' Amie. And also think "real money", not China's temporary "funny money" game that makes it work only for THEM ... and only for a while
Yes, producing our goods here it will cost consumers more for goods. Selling our souls for cheap goods is not working. Our true economies are being crushed sending country debt off the charts. That chicken will come home to roost, and soon. If not fixed quick, and when further compounded by interest rates increasing back toward normal, the entire silly game ends with a crash.
I'll gladly pay a lot more for goods if it keeps our people working ... and most important, gives us a "real" economy and decreasing debt .. keeping buckeroos here and gaining from taxes on resident goods producers and from a greatly increased number of "real" workers being paid "real" wages which they are not today in our phony upside-down ... sell our souls ... "cheap goods" economy
Improved economic prosperity always works out best for any country ... just ask China, eh?
if you can't afford new shorts and boards in a real world that functions as it should, tough. Pay your share or get a job in a prosperous economy ... or do without ... or repair .... like a big boy ... your choice.
and that doesn't even address the gross "funny money" game played by China to keep it going .... to keep suckers buying ... for a while ... until it all comes crashing down on it ... and on us with no more goods at all let alone cheap goods. Knowingly allowing them to play that "funny money" game is immoral, unethical and should be criminal. Pay up or suffer the irreversible consequences of this silly .. greedy .. but deadly short term game
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 07:51:40 AM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 07:51:40 AM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 08:29:47 AM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 08:29:47 AM
So making Merica great again WILL cost more, but your description of how CC wishes it could be sounds more like Econ in Disneyland. Like most households, most goods in our homes came from China. You really didn't answer my question or set me straight. Howz Merica gonna be great again? I didn't say I couldn't afford my toys. Merely pointing out that everything manufactured comes from China. I do believe the US would welcome manufacturing jobs back. Wages will need to be less and the public will pay more. One more thing a tariff is a tax. I live in a country where almost everything is imported, and taxed. Bad for this small economy and the bad for its citizens. It opens the door for corruption and degradation. Coming soon to To Merica as it seems.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Where do you live???
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 09:00:09 AM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 09:00:09 AM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 09:19:27 AM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 09:19:27 AM
Grew up in the SF Bay Area. Living n Costa Rica for the last 12 years.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Why do you live there?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 09:49:47 AM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 09:49:47 AM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 09:55:09 AM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 09:55:09 AM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 10:12:01 AM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 10:12:01 AM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:22:14 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:22:14 AM
Dollar is pretty strong at the moment. Thanks ObamaQuote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Thank weakness in Europe and Asia.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:27:43 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:27:43 AM
So making Merica great again WILL cost more, but your description of how CC wishes it could be sounds more like Econ in Disneyland. Like most households, most goods in our homes came from China. You really didn't answer my question or set me straight. Howz Merica gonna be great again? I didn't say I couldn't afford my toys. Merely pointing out that everything manufactured comes from China. I do believe the US would welcome manufacturing jobs back. Wages will need to be less and the public will pay more. One more thing a tariff is a tax. I live in a country where almost everything is imported, and taxed. Bad for this small economy and the bad for its citizens. It opens the door for corruption and degradation. Coming soon to To Merica as it seems.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I don't think anyone believes Trump is going to make America great again. His positions change so often it is hard to know what he stands for. That's not what we're saying. We're saying you have not read their platforms. You have Hillary's platform confused with Trump's.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:28:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:28:19 AM
I choose to?Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I looked into it about 30 years ago. Not a bad move, but will one that sorta games on the diplomatic relationship between the US and CR...without criticizing it.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:31:32 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:31:32 AM
So making Merica great again WILL cost more, but your description of how CC wishes it could be sounds more like Econ in Disneyland. Like most households, most goods in our homes came from China. You really didn't answer my question or set me straight. Howz Merica gonna be great again? I didn't say I couldn't afford my toys. Merely pointing out that everything manufactured comes from China. I do believe the US would welcome manufacturing jobs back. Wages will need to be less and the public will pay more. One more thing a tariff is a tax. I live in a country where almost everything is imported, and taxed. Bad for this small economy and the bad for its citizens. It opens the door for corruption and degradation. Coming soon to To Merica as it seems.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I don't think anyone believes Trump is going to make America great again. His positions change so often it is hard to know what he stands for. That's not what we're saying. We're saying you have not read their platforms. You have Hillary's platform confused with Trump's.:laugh3:
Seems pointless to be talking about Trump's "platform" as if it meant anything at all, when you just said it doesn't...in so many words.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:55:23 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:55:23 AM
So making Merica great again WILL cost more, but your description of how CC wishes it could be sounds more like Econ in Disneyland. Like most households, most goods in our homes came from China. You really didn't answer my question or set me straight. Howz Merica gonna be great again? I didn't say I couldn't afford my toys. Merely pointing out that everything manufactured comes from China. I do believe the US would welcome manufacturing jobs back. Wages will need to be less and the public will pay more. One more thing a tariff is a tax. I live in a country where almost everything is imported, and taxed. Bad for this small economy and the bad for its citizens. It opens the door for corruption and degradation. Coming soon to To Merica as it seems.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
I don't think anyone believes Trump is going to make America great again. His positions change so often it is hard to know what he stands for. That's not what we're saying. We're saying you have not read their platforms. You have Hillary's platform confused with Trump's.:laugh3:
Seems pointless to be talking about Trump's "platform" as if it meant anything at all, when you just said it doesn't...in so many words.
Of course Peaches, but my point is that it looks like TD read both Clinton and Trump's sites and got confused which one is which.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 01:42:45 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 01:42:45 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 02:09:36 PM
I respect everyone's point of view. I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Of course. No different than the hope and change of the US election eight years ago.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 02:15:27 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 02:15:27 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: The Donald on May 15, 2016, 03:12:22 PM
Post by: The Donald on May 15, 2016, 03:12:22 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
And when I am president I will stop the raping of America by parasites who make their money in America and spend it in other countries.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 03:29:37 PM
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 03:29:37 PM
So making Merica great again WILL cost more, but your description of how CC wishes it could be sounds more like Econ in Disneyland. Like most households, most goods in our homes came from China. You really didn't answer my question or set me straight. Howz Merica gonna be great again? I didn't say I couldn't afford my toys. Merely pointing out that everything manufactured comes from China. I do believe the US would welcome manufacturing jobs back. Wages will need to be less and the public will pay more. One more thing a tariff is a tax. I live in a country where almost everything is imported, and taxed. Bad for this small economy and the bad for its citizens. It opens the door for corruption and degradation. Coming soon to To Merica as it seems.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Where do you live???
Didn't you know? $20 has been posting under the handle of SeaMajor in the other forum for several months. I think he's mentioned countless times that he lives in Costa Rica. Sometimes you're really slow and stodgy in the head, K. Oh well.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 03:42:44 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 03:42:44 PM
Didn't you know? $20 has been posting under the handle of SeaMajor in the other forum for several months. I think he's mentioned countless times that he lives in Costa Rica. Sometimes you're really slow and stodgy in the head, K. Oh well.
I knew that long before you did
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 03:44:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 03:44:16 PM
Didn't you know? $20 has been posting under the handle of SeaMajor in the other forum for several months. I think he's mentioned countless times that he lives in Costa Rica. Sometimes you're really slow and stodgy in the head, K. Oh well.
I knew that long before you didJ0E. Just taking care with PI. You know the "P" in "PI" just like the "P" in "PM" means "PRIVATE". I know that has confused you in the past. Perhaps get a sticky note and put it on your monitor to remind you of that.
Were you a member of BF kiebers?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 03:54:28 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 03:54:28 PM
Were you a member of BF kiebers?
Nope. Barely knew about it. Have not belonged to as many forums as some. The red ones are now defunct.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 03:59:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 03:59:41 PM
Were you a member of BF kiebers?
Nope. Barely knew about it. Have not belonged to as many forums as some. The red ones are now defunct.VF, Blurtsome, Blue Cashew and Consumption Junction, Banned Allstars #1, Deviant Mafia, Jerk Circus, Banned Allstars #2,Pretty much the order that I joined. Starting in 1998 I believe. Bastard Vortex.
Some of these I have heard of and of course I am a regular contributing member of Blurtsome..
Most of the forums I have posted on in the past are defunct too..
What is B@stard Vortex?
Is it an offshoot of BF? Is it still around?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 04:09:34 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 04:09:34 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 04:18:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 04:18:17 PM
It was an offshoot. Started after everyone came to VF. It was a great place. Wish it was still around.Quote from: "kiebers"
Oh ok, it was hosted on mmb..
Hey, I believe Mr Crowley has talked about Consumption Junction..
Wasn't Dinky Dianna/Freud a member of that board?
I have heard he was on most troll boards.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 04:28:02 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 04:28:02 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
No it was not hosted on MMB, Kat has one on MMB. This other wasQuote from: "kiebers"http://bastardvortex.com/ . Leo was on CJ. Don't remember Freud being there. There are a couple of folks around that were at CJ.
Oh I'm sorry about that kiebers..
I confused it with Kat's forum..
I have heard of Consumption Junction and I thought it was one of the forums Freud trolled on.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 04:45:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 04:45:13 PM
No it was not hosted on MMB, Kat has one on MMB. This other wasQuote from: "kiebers"http://bastardvortex.com/ . Leo was on CJ. Don't remember Freud being there. There are a couple of folks around that were at CJ.
Oh I'm sorry about that kiebers..
I confused it with Kat's forum..
I have heard of Consumption Junction and I thought it was one of the forums Freud trolled on.
And now VF has turned into a refugee centre for trolls like Freud and the kissy meats from defunct forums
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 04:52:23 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 04:52:23 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 04:56:48 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 04:56:48 PM
Still some good people there.Quote from: "kiebers"
That is true, but the most active posters are now trolls and I do not find trolling entertaining. That is why I do not register there.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 04:58:28 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 04:58:28 PM
Still some good people there.Quote from: "kiebers"
Yes, there are and you are one of them kiebers.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 05:06:55 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 05:06:55 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
That's a lot of cake leaving the country.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 05:50:56 PM
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 05:50:56 PM
Still some good people there.Quote from: "kiebers"
Thats a matter of opinion.
I say one or two at best.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 06:13:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 06:13:15 PM
Still some good people there.Quote from: "kiebers"
Thats a matter of opinion.
I say one or two at best.
I haven't looked at it for so long, I don't even know which of the old regulars is still there.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 06:22:26 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 06:22:26 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 06:29:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 06:29:05 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
He was asking a question and you did not answer it either.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 06:34:19 PM
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 06:34:19 PM
Another factor is the cost of living and the level of corruption by government officials in your country and others. Don't you think there's a high level of waste and pocketing of taxpayer funds? In Canada, we award bountiful salaries to our elected officials and their friends, which they don't really deserve. In yours its the American taxpayer who funds the Military Industrial Complex, largely subsidized by the middle class even though it benefits the wealthy and large corporations. Ie - why should the middle class American taxpayer pay the US navy to rescue some ship hijacked by Somali pirates when it mostly benefits some rich tycoon? And he pays a relative drop in the bucket for this service subsidized by the middle class? These corporations should foot the bill, because all those armies america sends overseas largely protect the corporate interests. If they send their assets into dangerous territory, then they should be prepared to pay the bill as a recognized cost of doing business.
In addition, much of the middle class in America and Canada are struggling to get by, real estate is astronomicaly high in Canada, much of the populus is broke while government officials and corporations line their pockets, do nothing for us. Rich and getting rich, poor get poorer. Given this reality, is it any wonder that many citizens of these nations are choosing to live elsewhere? I've seen met many seniors in both countires who are still working don't have much in their pockets, so its logical that they would seek a better standard of living to get more for their retirement dollar.
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: cc on May 15, 2016, 06:36:47 PM
Post by: cc on May 15, 2016, 06:36:47 PM
Still some good people there.Quote from: "kiebers"
Thats a matter of opinion.
I say one or two at best.
I haven't looked at it for so long, I don't even know which of the old regulars is still there.
ac_dunno
Joe and I are the only ones I can think of who go there on occasion. I like to challenge some of the crazy things for the heck of it ... some might say "shit disturb", but of course that would not be me
I think Keibs still posts there, although I think not often .. and I'm not sure if he still does or not.
I don't go over every thread like I do here as I don't take most there as serious posters .. more issue picking / cherry-picking and challenging wonky claims than actually formuming .. so I only see a small portion of what goes on
I keep thinking I will never go back, but the shit- disturber in me is my undoing
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 06:40:10 PM
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 06:40:10 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
Wow, stamp your feet much? That's the reaction of a 10 year old to some very valid observations. Did I say "10 year old"? On second thought maybe that was a insult to 10 year olds.
TD it seems you're not only impaired intellectually but you apparently have all the emotional maturity of a small child.
Everybody take a good look.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 06:51:37 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 06:51:37 PM
In addition, much of the middle class in America and Canada are struggling to get by, real estate is astronomicaly high in Canada, much of the populus is broke while government officials and corporations line their pockets, do nothing for us. Rich and getting rich, poor get poorer.Quote
False, the middle class in Canada enjoyed solid gains from 2005. There's a thread about it in the politics sub. But none of this answers the question asked of Twenty Dollars by kiebers.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 06:54:58 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 06:54:58 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
Wow, the reaction of a 10 year old to some very valid observations. Did I say "10 year old"? On second thought maybe that was a insult to 10 year olds. TD is not only dumb but he apparently has the emotional maturity of a small child.
Everybody take a good look.
Take a good look at what? The good country that I come from allows me the freedom to live where I choose. Please tell me how I rape the US economy? I don't use any services, I don't pay for. So in other words I'm still paying for you. Little benefit there. This is further evidenced by the fact that my taxes don't have to be filed in June, and I get a $95,000 deduct off the top. Think I bullshit? Go look. I'm dumb. Duh
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 06:56:57 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 06:56:57 PM
In addition, much of the middle class in America and Canada are struggling to get by, real estate is astronomicaly high in Canada, much of the populus is broke while government officials and corporations line their pockets, do nothing for us. Rich and getting rich, poor get poorer.Quote
False, the middle class in Canada enjoyed solid gains from 2005. There's a thread about it in the politics sub. But none of this answers the question asked of Twenty Dollars by kiebers.
What else is there to answer?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 07:02:40 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 07:02:40 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy.You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicarebut the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
I know you are a citizen and I stated that you paid taxes. I am no more judgmental, in fact probably less, than you. Now, most of the retired US citizens spend their money here except for vacations in other countries. The US economy benefits from them. You are paying taxes to another country and spending your disposable income there. I was simply using your choice of words when I indicated that perhaps it was you that was doing the raping. Had you chose different wording I probably would have as well.
So let me see if what I indicated was correct.
You are a US citizen.
You vote in national elections.
You pay US taxes on your retirement income.
You live and spend the rest of your disposable income in another country, with a very small
percentage possibly being spent in the US when you visit the US.
Which one of those statements are wrong???
Want an apology for saying you rape the US? No problem, right after you apologize for saying you are being raped.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 07:08:44 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 07:08:44 PM
*snip*Quote from: "JOE"
If you cannot comprehend my post perhaps you should not comment on it.
This should be your av.
Course this is the long version.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 07:12:51 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 07:12:51 PM
Please tell which statement is inaccurate as it pertains to you.
Lives in Houston
60 lbs overweight
Little self control.
Jealous and butt hurt.
Assumes too much about folks he doesn't know.
Apologies to who?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:13:34 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:13:34 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy.You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicarebut the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
I know you are a citizen and I stated that you paid taxes. I am no more judgmental, in fact probably less, than you. Now, most of the retired US citizens spend their money here except for vacations in other countries. The US economy benefits from them. You are paying taxes to another country and spending your disposable income there. I was simply using your choice of words when I indicated that perhaps it was you that was doing the raping. Had you chose different wording I probably would have as well.
So let me see if what I indicated was correct.
You are a US citizen.
You vote in national elections.
You pay US taxes on your retirement income.
You live and spend the rest of your disposable income in another country, with a very small
percentage possibly being spent in the US when you visit the US.
Which one of those statements are wrong???
Want an apology for saying you rape the US? No problem, right after you apologize for saying you are being raped.
I agree TD is not being raped. But, I have eight years left with the railway. I want to get out of Winnipeg and Canada when I retire. It won't be CR, but it will be in the Caribbean/Central American region.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 07:26:53 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 07:26:53 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 07:28:56 PM
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 07:28:56 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
Wow, the reaction of a 10 year old to some very valid observations. Did I say "10 year old"? On second thought maybe that was a insult to 10 year olds. TD is not only dumb but he apparently has the emotional maturity of a small child.
Everybody take a good look.
Take a good look at what? The good country that I come from allows me the freedom to live where I choose. Please tell me how I rape the US economy? I don't use any services, I don't pay for. So in other words I'm still paying for you. Little benefit there. This is further evidenced by the fact that my taxes don't have to be filed in June, and I get a $95,000 deduct off the top. Think I bullshit? Go look. I'm dumb. Duh
And since I pay into S.S and medicare, I'm obviously still paying for YOU.
Why does everything have to be explained to you a dozen times?.....Yes you are dumb.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:31:16 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:31:16 PM
Truly I have no issue with TD living there, or anyone else doing the same thing. More power to him/you/them. But saying you are being raped while living that way? I'm probably going to say something.Quote from: "kiebers"
And I don't blame you for saying something. When I retire from CP in eight years I will have lived 55 years in Winnipeg. I will have served my sentence.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: cc on May 15, 2016, 07:35:57 PM
Post by: cc on May 15, 2016, 07:35:57 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:36:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:36:40 PM
Truly I have no issue with TD living there, or anyone else doing the same thing. More power to him/you/them. But saying you are being raped while living that way? I'm probably going to say something.Quote from: "kiebers"
And I don't blame you for saying something. When I retire from CP in eight years I will have lived 55 years in Winnipeg. I will have served my sentence.:laugh3:
My brother is stationed in a small town in Manitoba with the RCMP iron horse jockey.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 07:41:03 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 07:41:03 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
Wow, the reaction of a 10 year old to some very valid observations. Did I say "10 year old"? On second thought maybe that was a insult to 10 year olds. TD is not only dumb but he apparently has the emotional maturity of a small child.
Everybody take a good look.
Take a good look at what? The good country that I come from allows me the freedom to live where I choose. Please tell me how I rape the US economy? I don't use any services, I don't pay for. So in other words I'm still paying for you. Little benefit there. This is further evidenced by the fact that my taxes don't have to be filed in June, and I get a $95,000 deduct off the top. Think I bullshit? Go look. I'm dumb. Duh
And since I pay into S.S and medicare, I'm obviously still paying for YOU.
Why does everything have to be explained to you a dozen times?.....Yes you are dumb.
Dumb? How the fuck long did I pay into it? As a matter of fact business owners that are not corps pay double. Did you know that? Why so bloody butthurt all the time? Mrs. Miserable.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:41:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:41:30 PM
That is a long sentence and absolute proof of how unfair life isQuote from: "cc la femme"
ac_smile
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 07:43:21 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 07:43:21 PM
That is a long sentence and absolute proof of how unfair life isQuote from: "cc la femme"
ac_smile
You do know CC you can make it work out. Ignore and move forward.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 07:45:10 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 07:45:10 PM
My rape reference was aimed at the fool who is bringing jobs back to the US. making it great again. You are someone else who assumes to much.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Please tell which statement is inaccurate as it pertains to you.
Lives in Houston
60 lbs overweight
Little self control.
Jealous and butt hurt.
Assumes too much about folks he doesn't know.
Apologies to who?
Meh, you got 1 right. I live in Houston.
You are a US citizen.
You vote in national elections.
You pay US taxes on your retirement income.
You live and spend the rest of your disposable income in another country, with a very small
percentage possibly being spent in the US when you visit the US.
Something tells me there is not a single incorrect "assumption" there.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:51:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:51:49 PM
My rape reference was aimed at the fool who is bringing jobs back to the US. making it great again. You are someone else who assumes to much.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Please tell which statement is inaccurate as it pertains to you.
Lives in Houston
60 lbs overweight
Little self control.
Jealous and butt hurt.
Assumes too much about folks he doesn't know.
Apologies to who?
Meh, you got 1 right. I live in Houston.Which of these are wrong?This is all I said. I didn't get all butt hurt and start throwing insults.
You are a US citizen.(not an insult)
You vote in national elections.(not an insult)
You pay US taxes on your retirement income.(not an insult)
You live and spend the rest of your disposable income in another country, with a very small
percentage possibly being spent in the US when you visit the US.(not an insult)
Something tells me there is not a single incorrect "assumption" there.
TD is stupid and nasty and his response to your legitimate question proves it.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 07:56:02 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 07:56:02 PM
who cares?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:58:38 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 07:58:38 PM
He has always been a respected member where ever he has posted and that applies here too..
If someone has a problem with him, they are the one with the problem not kiebers.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 08:04:41 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 15, 2016, 08:04:41 PM
I will not participate in back and forth name calling, but I will say that I have known kiebers from a few forums for a few years now..Quote from: "Fashionista"
He has always been a respected member where ever he has posted and that applies here too..
If someone has a problem with him, they are the one with the problem not kiebers.
Message received.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 08:29:56 PM
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 08:29:56 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
Wow, the reaction of a 10 year old to some very valid observations. Did I say "10 year old"? On second thought maybe that was a insult to 10 year olds. TD is not only dumb but he apparently has the emotional maturity of a small child.
Everybody take a good look.
Take a good look at what? The good country that I come from allows me the freedom to live where I choose. Please tell me how I rape the US economy? I don't use any services, I don't pay for. So in other words I'm still paying for you. Little benefit there. This is further evidenced by the fact that my taxes don't have to be filed in June, and I get a $95,000 deduct off the top. Think I bullshit? Go look. I'm dumb. Duh
And since I pay into S.S and medicare, I'm obviously still paying for YOU.
Why does everything have to be explained to you a dozen times?.....Yes you are dumb.
Dumb? How the fuck long did I pay into it? As a matter of fact business owners that are not corps pay double. Did you know that? Why so bloody butthurt all the time? Mrs. Miserable.
Don't try to school me on business taxes. I know how payroll taxes and business taxes work for an LLC. As the owner of my husband's contracting business, I lived and dealt with it for years.
No one here is "butt hurt" where you got that from is another one of your misguided assumptions.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 08:51:20 PM
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 08:51:20 PM
So He's not a burden on you or kiebers.
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
Wow, the reaction of a 10 year old to some very valid observations. Did I say "10 year old"? On second thought maybe that was a insult to 10 year olds. TD is not only dumb but he apparently has the emotional maturity of a small child.
Everybody take a good look.
Take a good look at what? The good country that I come from allows me the freedom to live where I choose. Please tell me how I rape the US economy? I don't use any services, I don't pay for. So in other words I'm still paying for you. Little benefit there. This is further evidenced by the fact that my taxes don't have to be filed in June, and I get a $95,000 deduct off the top. Think I bullshit? Go look. I'm dumb. Duh
And since I pay into S.S and medicare, I'm obviously still paying for YOU.
Why does everything have to be explained to you a dozen times?.....Yes you are dumb.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 09:13:33 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 09:13:33 PM
Actually Renee, I've read yours and kiebers' arguments, and if $20 is still paying taxes, but not using the American medical system, nor its state or municipal services, he's not costing you a thing. In fact, he's a net benefit to the US economy if he pays to support it but draws few or no services from it.Quote from: "JOE"
So He's not a burden on you or kiebers.
You did not read what I posted, or the rest of the posts he and I made, if you had you would never have said that. I explained everything already. It was just that simple.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 09:36:42 PM
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 09:36:42 PM
Actually Renee, I've read yours and kiebers' arguments, and if $20 is still paying taxes, but not using the American medical system, nor its state or municipal services, he's not costing you a thing. In fact, he's a net benefit to the US economy if he pays to support it but draws few or no services from it.Quote from: "JOE"
So He's not a burden on you or kiebers.
You did not read what I posted, or the rest of the posts he and I made, if you had you would never have said that. I explained everything already. It was just that simple.
...In all sincerity, k, I just don't think your argument carries any weight.
It seems to rest on the assumption that because he's not consuming or buying anythin in the US when he's in Costa Rica that $20 is a burden. But in reality he's not. If he pays taxes but doesn't use your country's services, then he's actually a net gain for the US economy. Those other retirees who live in the US might actually be a drain on the system if they use medicare and other entitlements at the state level.
And if you and reneee came to Canada, you'd shit yer pants out of disgust I'm sure. In canada you can go away as a retiree, pay no taxes if you spend 6 months in some sun spot complete with medical healthcare paid by the government. Extended is extra, but still that's subsidized by the Canadian medical system. Plus these retirees called Snowbirds get their regular pension cheques. If you're an American you might think this is like getting your cake and being able to eat it. Compared to Us retirement, it probably is.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 10:27:45 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 15, 2016, 10:27:45 PM
Oh and
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 10:46:14 PM
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 10:46:14 PM
Actually Renee, I've read yours and kiebers' arguments, and if $20 is still paying taxes, but not using the American medical system, nor its state or municipal services, he's not costing you a thing. In fact, he's a net benefit to the US economy if he pays to support it but draws few or no services from it.Quote from: "JOE"
So He's not a burden on you or kiebers.
Joe, you're a fucking shit stirring moron but I'm sure you're used to hearing that. But it still beats me why you don't take the hint.
I never said he was a burden. What I said is that he is taking US tax dollars that I and every other taxpayer and business owner in the US pays and he is dumping it into a foreign economy.
That is all I said. It's you and your idiot friend that have turned this into an argument over who is or isn't a burden on the taxpayer. Now please kindly STFU.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 10:48:47 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 10:48:47 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 10:58:25 PM
Post by: Renee on May 15, 2016, 10:58:25 PM
Many Canadian retirees spend about six months a year in places like Arizona and Florida.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Can you blame them?
What old person really wants to be up to their ass in snow and sub zero temperatures?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:03:13 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:03:13 PM
Many Canadian retirees spend about six months a year in places like Arizona and Florida.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Can you blame them?
What old person really wants to be up to their ass in snow and sub zero temperatures?
It's no fun at any age.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 11:33:39 PM
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 11:33:39 PM
So basically all you are speaking of is government services. I am speaking about the economy as a whole. If no one buy groceries, cars, homes, toys, technology and everything else that we consume on a daily basis then there will be no taxes paid or government services available. Even in a poor economy some form of that goes on. Get rid of the tunnel vision and look at the whole picture based on the information available. Do the math. Economics 101...get some.Quote from: "kiebers"
Oh andI have no problem with him living there, might even envy him a little and wish I could do it.
I suppose you have a point. US is a very consumer driven economy where people buy buy buy & still buy some more! Gasp! But I think the US guv's are aware of the issues you've raised & they probably do calculate the net cost of retirees like $20. If it was a drain, they probably would not hesitate to close as many loopholes as they could.
As for yer Costa Rica envy, I don't think I'd wanna live there all year round. Too hot for my tastes, and too many reptiles, scorpions and snakes. There was a recent story in the news about a Vancouver man who went walking in the forest and he stepped on something, came home and his leg started to swell up. Turned out he'd been bitten by a poisonous snake. They had to rush him to the hospital and the closest antivenom available was Washington state, USA. That must've cost the provincial medical system a lot of money to have to rely upon the Americans like that. Anyways, he got the serum and was saved.
If I had a choice to live somewhere else, it'd likely be Hawaii or Northern California as in the Redwood forests. Man, those places are like paradise, almost perfect, no poisonous snakes, low crime rates. So pristine and beautiful. Americans are lucky to have natural jewels like that.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
Post by: JOE on May 15, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
All those people from frigid provinces like Ontario, Quebec and Saskatchewan head down South to places like Scottsdale, Las Vegas and Hawaii. Dont' you think that's a drain on the Canadian economy too? I'm sure with all the Canadians who flock to America's sunspots, that it more than makes up for the deficit/gap which $20 has deprived you with/left behind.
Actually there was once a proposal by the islands of Turks and Caicos in the Caribbean to become part of Canada. They wanted to join us. But the Conservative government of the time turned them down. Recently however, the socialist party, the NDP, endorsed annexing the islands at its convention. Might not be such a bad idea, given all that tourist money which is flowing out of Canada and into the pockets of American, Mexican and Costa Rican tourist operators during our long, cold hard winters, eh?
Actually Renee, I've read yours and kiebers' arguments, and if $20 is still paying taxes, but not using the American medical system, nor its state or municipal services, he's not costing you a thing. In fact, he's a net benefit to the US economy if he pays to support it but draws few or no services from it.Quote from: "JOE"
So He's not a burden on you or kiebers.
Joe, you're a fucking shit stirring moron but I'm sure you're used to hearing that. But it still beats me why you don't take the hint.ac_unsure
I never said he was a burden. What I said is that he is taking US tax dollars that I and every other taxpayer and business owner in the US pays and he is dumping it into a foreign economy.
That is all I said. It's you and your idiot friend that have turned this into an argument over who is or isn't a burden on the taxpayer. Now please kindly STFU.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:57:33 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2016, 11:57:33 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 16, 2016, 12:06:54 AM
Post by: Renee on May 16, 2016, 12:06:54 AM
Well we have the same problem in Canada too, Renn.Quote from: "JOE"
All those people from frigid provinces like Ontario, Quebec and Saskatchewan head down South to places like Scottsdale, Las Vegas and Hawaii. Dont' you think that's a drain on the Canadian economy too? I'm sure with all the Canadians who flock to America's sunspots, that it more than makes up for the deficit/gap which $20 has deprived you with/left behind.
Actually there was once a proposal by the islands of Turks and Caicos in the Caribbean to become part of Canada. They wanted to join us. But the Conservative government of the time turned them down. Recently however, the socialist party, the NDP, endorsed annexing the islands at its convention. Might not be such a bad idea, given all that tourist money which is flowing out of Canada and into the pockets of American, Mexican and Costa Rican tourist operators during our long, cold hard winters, eh?
Didn't I tell you to STFU? Is English a second language for you?
Christ on a fucking cross, can't you post like a normal person? Why do you have to do everything fucking backwards? Is it because you spend most of your life looking at the rearview mirror of your God damn cab?
BTW, I don't care if your snowbirds drain your economy or not. I just want them and their freaking trailers off the Garden State Parkway when I'm coming home from work.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 16, 2016, 12:21:54 AM
Post by: JOE on May 16, 2016, 12:21:54 AM
Oh Hen don' be a Renn,
Henning & Henning away like you do...
Oh don' be sad & blue, oh don' be sad and blue,
Don' be sad & blure, Renn my friend
.....anyways, I've got the tune figgered out, an' as soon as I can git access to a keyboard, I'll record it just for you,Renn.
I've even made a song about fashionista and Real Woman.
I'll add those to Songs of the Reject Rodeo when I have time, eh Renn?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 16, 2016, 12:31:51 AM
Post by: Renee on May 16, 2016, 12:31:51 AM
Oh Renn, yer such a hen,Quote from: "JOE"
Oh Hen don' be a Renn,
Henning & Henning away like you do...
Oh don' be sad & blue, oh don' be sad and blue,
Don' be sad & blure, Renn my friend
.....anyways, I've got the tune figgered out, an' as soon as I can git access to a keyboard, I'll record it just for you,Renn.
I've even made a song about fashionista and Real Woman.
I'll add those to Songs of the Reject Rodeo when I have time, eh Renn?
Yeah right after you add your drawings to the Art sub.
Fuck off Joe.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 16, 2016, 12:42:30 AM
Post by: JOE on May 16, 2016, 12:42:30 AM
Wherever I am,
Wherever you go,
I'll always be with you,
In our cyberspace....
Fashionista....fashionista...
You came into my life,
Like a light on the Internet forum,
Fashionista...fashionista...
Oh Please don't go
Don't leave this forum
Go spread your joy
And leave your mark..
Here.... at the Blue Cashew....
...etc.
Oh Renn, yer such a hen,Quote from: "JOE"
Oh Hen don' be a Renn,
Henning & Henning away like you do...
Oh don' be sad & blue, oh don' be sad and blue,
Don' be sad & blure, Renn my friend
.....anyways, I've got the tune figgered out, an' as soon as I can git access to a keyboard, I'll record it just for you,Renn.
I've even made a song about fashionista and Real Woman.
I'll add those to Songs of the Reject Rodeo when I have time, eh Renn?
Yeah right after you add your drawings to the Art sub.:laugh:
Fuck off Joe.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 06:58:41 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 06:58:41 AM
Many Canadian retirees spend about six months a year in places like Arizona and Florida.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Can you blame them?
What old person really wants to be up to their ass in snow and sub zero temperatures?
It's no fun at any age.
I know. I am so out of here in eight years. I can hardly wait.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 16, 2016, 08:18:54 AM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 16, 2016, 08:18:54 AM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
Wow, the reaction of a 10 year old to some very valid observations. Did I say "10 year old"? On second thought maybe that was a insult to 10 year olds. TD is not only dumb but he apparently has the emotional maturity of a small child.
Everybody take a good look.
Take a good look at what? The good country that I come from allows me the freedom to live where I choose. Please tell me how I rape the US economy? I don't use any services, I don't pay for. So in other words I'm still paying for you. Little benefit there. This is further evidenced by the fact that my taxes don't have to be filed in June, and I get a $95,000 deduct off the top. Think I bullshit? Go look. I'm dumb. Duh
And since I pay into S.S and medicare, I'm obviously still paying for YOU.
Why does everything have to be explained to you a dozen times?.....Yes you are dumb.
Dumb? How the fuck long did I pay into it? As a matter of fact business owners that are not corps pay double. Did you know that? Why so bloody butthurt all the time? Mrs. Miserable.
Don't try to school me on business taxes. I know how payroll taxes and business taxes work for an LLC. As the owner of my husband's contracting business, I lived and dealt with it for years.
No one here is "butt hurt" where you got that from is another one of your misguided assumptions.:laugh3:
Good Morning. I thought hubby shit canned you Mrs. Miserable?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 16, 2016, 08:28:10 AM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 16, 2016, 08:28:10 AM
Well we have the same problem in Canada too, Renn.Quote from: "JOE"
All those people from frigid provinces like Ontario, Quebec and Saskatchewan head down South to places like Scottsdale, Las Vegas and Hawaii. Dont' you think that's a drain on the Canadian economy too? I'm sure with all the Canadians who flock to America's sunspots, that it more than makes up for the deficit/gap which $20 has deprived you with/left behind.
Actually there was once a proposal by the islands of Turks and Caicos in the Caribbean to become part of Canada. They wanted to join us. But the Conservative government of the time turned them down. Recently however, the socialist party, the NDP, endorsed annexing the islands at its convention. Might not be such a bad idea, given all that tourist money which is flowing out of Canada and into the pockets of American, Mexican and Costa Rican tourist operators during our long, cold hard winters, eh?
Didn't I tell you to STFU? Is English a second language for you?
Christ on a fucking cross, can't you post like a normal person? Why do you have to do everything fucking backwards? Is it because you spend most of your life looking at the rearview mirror of your God damn cab?:laugh:
BTW, I don't care if your snowbirds drain your economy or not. I just want them and their freaking trailers off the Garden State Parkway when I'm coming home from work.
Is this something that makes you miserable? God, it's like you eat dog do for breakfast. Do you enjoy being with yourself? Try eating fresh pineapple for a change. Just trying to help.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 16, 2016, 12:37:08 PM
Post by: Renee on May 16, 2016, 12:37:08 PM
I respect everyone's point of view.I just hate being lied to before being raped. What I am hearing is, it's all a bunch of lies and bullshit anyway. So wtf?
I try to as well, but how are you being raped? You don't live here. You take most if not all of your retirement income from the US and spend it in another country which robs the US's economy. You do pay income taxes and perhaps SS and medicare but the US loses the rest to a foreign economy. Sounds to me like you are doing the raping of the US economy.
True you are a drop in the bucket but there are so many drops that bucket is over flowing. World bank estimates 120 billion last year was sent by all immigrants to their home country. Some estimates out there for illegal immigrants go as high as 50 billion.
Listen you uninformed so n so. I am U.S citizen. I file and pay taxes every year. Pay taxes here as well. I vote in national elections. I guess Im mostly here because of judgemental fools like you. What the fuck do you care? That you can't?
Wow, the reaction of a 10 year old to some very valid observations. Did I say "10 year old"? On second thought maybe that was a insult to 10 year olds. TD is not only dumb but he apparently has the emotional maturity of a small child.
Everybody take a good look.
Take a good look at what? The good country that I come from allows me the freedom to live where I choose. Please tell me how I rape the US economy? I don't use any services, I don't pay for. So in other words I'm still paying for you. Little benefit there. This is further evidenced by the fact that my taxes don't have to be filed in June, and I get a $95,000 deduct off the top. Think I bullshit? Go look. I'm dumb. Duh
And since I pay into S.S and medicare, I'm obviously still paying for YOU.
Why does everything have to be explained to you a dozen times?.....Yes you are dumb.
Dumb? How the fuck long did I pay into it? As a matter of fact business owners that are not corps pay double. Did you know that? Why so bloody butthurt all the time? Mrs. Miserable.
Don't try to school me on business taxes. I know how payroll taxes and business taxes work for an LLC. As the owner of my husband's contracting business, I lived and dealt with it for years.
No one here is "butt hurt" where you got that from is another one of your misguided assumptions.:laugh3:
Good Morning. I thought hubby shit canned you Mrs. Miserable?
Try the other way around, dumbass.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 16, 2016, 12:43:29 PM
Post by: Renee on May 16, 2016, 12:43:29 PM
Well we have the same problem in Canada too, Renn.Quote from: "JOE"
All those people from frigid provinces like Ontario, Quebec and Saskatchewan head down South to places like Scottsdale, Las Vegas and Hawaii. Dont' you think that's a drain on the Canadian economy too? I'm sure with all the Canadians who flock to America's sunspots, that it more than makes up for the deficit/gap which $20 has deprived you with/left behind.
Actually there was once a proposal by the islands of Turks and Caicos in the Caribbean to become part of Canada. They wanted to join us. But the Conservative government of the time turned them down. Recently however, the socialist party, the NDP, endorsed annexing the islands at its convention. Might not be such a bad idea, given all that tourist money which is flowing out of Canada and into the pockets of American, Mexican and Costa Rican tourist operators during our long, cold hard winters, eh?
Didn't I tell you to STFU? Is English a second language for you?
Christ on a fucking cross, can't you post like a normal person? Why do you have to do everything fucking backwards? Is it because you spend most of your life looking at the rearview mirror of your God damn cab?:laugh:
BTW, I don't care if your snowbirds drain your economy or not. I just want them and their freaking trailers off the Garden State Parkway when I'm coming home from work.
Is this something that makes you miserable? God, it's like you eat dog do for breakfast. Do you enjoy being with yourself? Try eating fresh pineapple for a change. Just trying to help.
Yeah and you try eating a bag of dicks.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 16, 2016, 01:32:30 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 16, 2016, 01:32:30 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 01:35:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 01:35:20 PM
Many Canadian retirees spend about six months a year in places like Arizona and Florida.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Can you blame them?
What old person really wants to be up to their ass in snow and sub zero temperatures?
It's no fun at any age.
I know. I am so out of here in eight years. I can hardly wait.
Retiring abroad is fine if you are healthy. I know someone who had to come back to Canada because a major illness would have wiped out her savings.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 08:25:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 08:25:15 PM
Many Canadian retirees spend about six months a year in places like Arizona and Florida.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Can you blame them?
What old person really wants to be up to their ass in snow and sub zero temperatures?
It's no fun at any age.
I know. I am so out of here in eight years. I can hardly wait.
Retiring abroad is fine if you are healthy. I know someone who had to come back to Canada because a major illness would have wiped out her savings.
It is a major step Velvet..
It is not something that should be done without thorough consideration.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 08:26:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 08:26:46 PM
And here's one for Fashonista:Quote from: "JOE"
Wherever I am,
Wherever you go,
I'll always be with you,
In our cyberspace....
Fashionista....fashionista...
You came into my life,
Like a light on the Internet forum,
Fashionista...fashionista...
Oh Please don't go
Don't leave this forum
Go spread your joy
And leave your mark..
Here.... at the Blue Cashew....
...etc.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 08:57:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 16, 2016, 08:57:40 PM
Well we have the same problem in Canada too, Renn.Quote from: "JOE"
All those people from frigid provinces like Ontario, Quebec and Saskatchewan head down South to places like Scottsdale, Las Vegas and Hawaii. Dont' you think that's a drain on the Canadian economy too? I'm sure with all the Canadians who flock to America's sunspots, that it more than makes up for the deficit/gap which $20 has deprived you with/left behind.
Actually there was once a proposal by the islands of Turks and Caicos in the Caribbean to become part of Canada. They wanted to join us. But the Conservative government of the time turned them down. Recently however, the socialist party, the NDP, endorsed annexing the islands at its convention. Might not be such a bad idea, given all that tourist money which is flowing out of Canada and into the pockets of American, Mexican and Costa Rican tourist operators during our long, cold hard winters, eh?
Didn't I tell you to STFU? Is English a second language for you?
Christ on a fucking cross, can't you post like a normal person? Why do you have to do everything fucking backwards? Is it because you spend most of your life looking at the rearview mirror of your God damn cab?:laugh:
BTW, I don't care if your snowbirds drain your economy or not. I just want them and their freaking trailers off the Garden State Parkway when I'm coming home from work.
Is this something that makes you miserable? God, it's like you eat dog do for breakfast. Do you enjoy being with yourself? Try eating fresh pineapple for a change. Just trying to help.
What a moron.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 17, 2016, 01:46:50 AM
Post by: JOE on May 17, 2016, 01:46:50 AM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 11:44:07 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 11:44:07 AM
Y'know, I git the sense here, that a number of fellow citizens are jealous of $20 good fortune to live where he want and do what he wants when he wants. I guess they're envious cuz they'd like ta be doin the same thing. When someone has more money, more opportunity, it must steam them up a bit.Quote from: "JOE"
Not at all.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 11:54:34 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 11:54:34 AM
Y'know, I git the sense here, that a number of fellow citizens are jealous of $20 good fortune to live where he want and do what he wants when he wants. I guess they're envious cuz they'd like ta be doin the same thing. When someone has more money, more opportunity, it must steam them up a bit.Quote from: "JOE"
Not at all.
Obviously. I plan on living abroad too in 7 years and 10 months. Someone acts like a jerk, they get called on it.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 17, 2016, 12:04:49 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 17, 2016, 12:04:49 PM
Y'know, I git the sense here, that a number of fellow citizens are jealous of $20 good fortune to live where he want and do what he wants when he wants. I guess they're envious cuz they'd like ta be doin the same thing. When someone has more money, more opportunity, it must steam them up a bit.Quote from: "JOE"
Not at all.
Obviously. I plan on living abroad too in 7 years and 10 months. Someone acts like a jerk, they get called on it.
You sound excited about it. You need to know 75% of those wanting to live in a foreign country can't make it work and don't last. Many times after a large investment has been made. I would think long and hard on it. Then try it out for 6 months or a year. You might find its not your cup of tea. I see this happening here. When they bail and start selling stuff. Good for the rest of us. Think hard about it.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 12:08:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 12:08:31 PM
You did your research and I am sure iron horse jockey will do his..
But still, unforeseen things can happen.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 12:18:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 12:18:20 PM
The pitfalls have been mentioned Twenty Dollars..Quote from: "Fashionista"
You did your research and I am sure iron horse jockey will do his..
But still, unforeseen things can happen.
By the time I am retired, I will have saved, researched, planned and prepared for retirement abroad for about 18 years.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 17, 2016, 02:43:46 PM
Post by: JOE on May 17, 2016, 02:43:46 PM
I suppose no place is perfect, but then again, even the Garden of Eden had a snake...or two
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 17, 2016, 03:37:29 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 17, 2016, 03:37:29 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 17, 2016, 05:21:45 PM
Post by: kiebers on May 17, 2016, 05:21:45 PM
For those with Costa Rica envy, here's the story about the Canadian tourist who stepped on a snake while visiting that country:Quote from: "JOE"
I suppose no place is perfect, but then again, even the Garden of Eden had a snake...or two
As someone that lives in an area (the USA) that has poisonous snakes, that has seen and killed many varieties, I tend to keep an eye out for them. Coral snakes, water moccasins, copper heads, different varieties of rattle snakes have all been where they shouldn't have been at one time or another. Here is a pretty copper head in the wrong place at the wrong time. Struck at, but missed, my best friend less than 2 weeks ago on the front porch of his house. I will give you a little advise. Not all poisonous snakes have a rattle to warn you. One should always be observant.
Knock Knock
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 12:24:36 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 12:24:36 AM
For those with Costa Rica envy, here's the story about the Canadian tourist who stepped on a snake while visiting that country:Quote from: "JOE"
I suppose no place is perfect, but then again, even the Garden of Eden had a snake...or two
As someone that lives in an area (the USA) that has poisonous snakes, that has seen and killed many varieties, I tend to keep an eye out for them. Coral snakes, water moccasins, copper heads, different varieties of rattle snakes have all been where they shouldn't have been at one time or another. Here is a pretty copper head in the wrong place at the wrong time. Struck at, but missed, my best friend less than 2 weeks ago on the front porch of his house. I will give you a little advise. Not all poisonous snakes have a rattle to warn you. One should always be observant.(//%3C/s%3E%3CIMGUR%20id=%22u9EmQJM%22%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i.imgur.com/u9EmQJM.jpg?1%22%3Ehttp://i.imgur.com/u9EmQJM.jpg?1%3C/URL%3E%3C/IMGUR%3E%3Ce%3E)
Knock Knock
Common sense stuff. I was going to buy property abroad, but I decided to farm in Saskatchewan instead. Snakes were not the reason I decided to stay home. Though I think JOE is a little wuss and scared of his own shadow.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 18, 2016, 12:33:57 AM
Post by: kiebers on May 18, 2016, 12:33:57 AM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 12:39:27 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 12:39:27 AM
Got a text this evening from him. He killed that one last Tuesday. Got it's mate today. Always been said that they travel in two's.Quote from: "kiebers"
Glad he got it.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 11:01:59 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 11:01:59 AM
For those with Costa Rica envy, here's the story about the Canadian tourist who stepped on a snake while visiting that country:Quote from: "JOE"
I suppose no place is perfect, but then again, even the Garden of Eden had a snake...or two
As someone that lives in an area (the USA) that has poisonous snakes, that has seen and killed many varieties, I tend to keep an eye out for them. Coral snakes, water moccasins, copper heads, different varieties of rattle snakes have all been where they shouldn't have been at one time or another.Here is a pretty copper head in the wrong place at the wrong time. Struck at, but missed, my best friend less than 2 weeks ago on the front porch of his house.I will give you a little advise. Not all poisonous snakes have a rattle to warn you. One should always be observant. (//%3C/s%3E%3CIMGUR%20id=%22u9EmQJM%22%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i.imgur.com/u9EmQJM.jpg?1%22%3Ehttp://i.imgur.com/u9EmQJM.jpg?1%3C/URL%3E%3C/IMGUR%3E%3Ce%3E)
Knock Knock
Oh my kiebers.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2016, 11:54:58 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2016, 11:54:58 AM
For those with Costa Rica envy, here's the story about the Canadian tourist who stepped on a snake while visiting that country:Quote from: "JOE"
I suppose no place is perfect, but then again, even the Garden of Eden had a snake...or two
As someone that lives in an area (the USA) that has poisonous snakes, that has seen and killed many varieties, I tend to keep an eye out for them. Coral snakes, water moccasins, copper heads, different varieties of rattle snakes have all been where they shouldn't have been at one time or another. Here is a pretty copper head in the wrong place at the wrong time. Struck at, but missed, my best friend less than 2 weeks ago on the front porch of his house. I will give you a little advise. Not all poisonous snakes have a rattle to warn you. One should always be observant.(//%3C/s%3E%3CIMGUR%20id=%22u9EmQJM%22%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i.imgur.com/u9EmQJM.jpg?1%22%3Ehttp://i.imgur.com/u9EmQJM.jpg?1%3C/URL%3E%3C/IMGUR%3E%3Ce%3E)
Knock Knock
It does not look dangerous.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 20, 2016, 12:52:16 AM
Post by: JOE on May 20, 2016, 12:52:16 AM
Common sense stuff. I was going to buy property abroad, but I decided to farm in Saskatchewan instead. Snakes were not the reason I decided to stay home. Though I think JOE is a little wuss and scared of his own shadow.Quote from: "Herman"
Gotta confess, I don't like snakes, lizards, crocodiles, alligators or other reptiles much. They're hideous. Nothing I'd like to keep around the house.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2016, 12:59:50 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2016, 12:59:50 AM
Common sense stuff. I was going to buy property abroad, but I decided to farm in Saskatchewan instead. Snakes were not the reason I decided to stay home. Though I think JOE is a little wuss and scared of his own shadow.Quote from: "Herman"
Gotta confess, I don't like snakes, lizards, crocodiles, alligators or other reptiles much. They're hideous. Nothing I'd like to keep around the house.
I am not crazy about any of them either. But, I will not wimp out of going abroad because of them.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 20, 2016, 07:43:00 AM
Post by: Renee on May 20, 2016, 07:43:00 AM
My sister has a ball python that she has had since she was 17. When she was younger she was very heavily into goth shit and the snake just came along as part of the lifestyle, I guess. It's quite tame and has never bitten anyone to my knowledge. She feeds it live mice and me being an animal lover, I find it horrifying. Recently I think she has passed most of the care of the damn thing on to my oldest nephew. I done think she ever expected it to live this long.
What I cant stand are insects. Especially things like centipides and large spiders and big crickets. Just the thought of them, makes my skin crawl.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 20, 2016, 08:55:06 AM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 20, 2016, 08:55:06 AM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: kiebers on May 20, 2016, 09:39:44 AM
Post by: kiebers on May 20, 2016, 09:39:44 AM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 20, 2016, 09:48:16 AM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on May 20, 2016, 09:48:16 AM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 20, 2016, 10:04:52 AM
Post by: Renee on May 20, 2016, 10:04:52 AM
What about Scorpians? Little bastards can sting the shit outta ya.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
We don't have scorpions here and I don't want any either. We don't have African bees or fire ants either. Don't want any of those either.
What we have is an overabundance of are those God Damn Asian stink bugs. They don't bite and they are small but when you swat them, they smell almost like dry cleaning fluid. They leave small brown stains on anything they squirt their fluid on.
They also fly but they're shitty at it. Last summer one flew down my shirt while I was cutting the lawn. I bailed off the ride-on while it was still running and practically ripped my shirt off in the middle of the front yard. Scared the neighbors so bad they almost moved.
In the fall they swarm on any light colored surface like the side of your house and find ways to get under the siding and into the eves. I also found out that the cold doesn't kill them. They just go into a form of semi-hibernation. So that way you can enjoy them all year long.
Sneaky little Asian bastards.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2016, 10:10:29 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2016, 10:10:29 AM
I don't mind reptiles as long as I see them first. It's the ones that sneak up on you that freak me out, like the little garter and black snakes that used to like to swim in our pool. They would always find me.Quote from: "Renee":ohmy:
My sister has a ball python that she has had since she was 17. When she was younger she was very heavily into goth shit and the snake just came along as part of the lifestyle, I guess. It's quite tame and has never bitten anyone to my knowledge. She feeds it live mice and me being an animal lover, I find it horrifying. Recently I think she has passed most of the care of the damn thing on to my oldest nephew. I done think she ever expected it to live this long.:laugh3:
What I cant stand are insects. Especially things like centipides and large spiders and big crickets. Just the thought of them, makes my skin crawl.:yuk:
We don't have any poisonous insects and insects where I live.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2016, 12:48:41 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2016, 12:48:41 PM
What about Scorpians? Little bastards can sting the shit outta ya.Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
We don't have scorpions here and I don't want any either. We don't have African bees or fire ants either. Don't want any of those either.
What we have is an overabundance of are those God Damn Asian stink bugs. They don't bite and they are small but when you swat them, they smell almost like dry cleaning fluid. They leave small brown stains on anything they squirt their fluid on.
They also fly but they're shitty at it. Last summer one flew down my shirt while I was cutting the lawn. I bailed off the ride-on while it was still running and practically ripped my shirt off in the middle of the front yard. Scared the neighbors so bad they almost moved.:laugh3:
In the fall they swarm on any light colored surface like the side of your house and find ways to get under the siding and into the eves. I also found out that the cold doesn't kill them. They just go into a form of semi-hibernation. So that way you can enjoy them all year long.:mad: Sneaky little Asian bastards.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 20, 2016, 09:12:52 PM
Post by: JOE on May 20, 2016, 09:12:52 PM
Common sense stuff. I was going to buy property abroad, but I decided to farm in Saskatchewan instead. Snakes were not the reason I decided to stay home. Though I think JOE is a little wuss and scared of his own shadow.Quote from: "Herman"
Gotta confess, I don't like snakes, lizards, crocodiles, alligators or other reptiles much. They're hideous. Nothing I'd like to keep around the house.
I am not crazy about any of them either. But, I will not wimp out of going abroad because of them.
Heck Herman, I don't even venture out in the Canadian Wilderness anymore. I had an incident with a Wild animal while working up North which nearly cost me my life. So now I have this eerie feeling that someone's looking over my shoulder, tapping on it, and saying to me, "You've used up your nine lives, Pal. This one's on me. But the next time, y'aint gonna be so lucky." I've often felt I should've died that time & sometimes I wonder if I belong here. Hopefully I can stay alive for a while, enjoy life, the Natural Beauty of this earth in some place - safe, ifya know what I mean, eh?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2016, 10:18:20 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 20, 2016, 10:18:20 PM
Common sense stuff. I was going to buy property abroad, but I decided to farm in Saskatchewan instead. Snakes were not the reason I decided to stay home. Though I think JOE is a little wuss and scared of his own shadow.Quote from: "Herman"
Gotta confess, I don't like snakes, lizards, crocodiles, alligators or other reptiles much. They're hideous. Nothing I'd like to keep around the house.
I am not crazy about any of them either. But, I will not wimp out of going abroad because of them.
Heck Herman, I don't even venture out in the Canadian Wilderness anymore. I had an incident with a Wild animal while working up North which nearly cost me my life. So now I have this eerie feeling that someone's looking over my shoulder, tapping on it, and saying to me, "You've used up your nine lives, Pal. This one's on me. But the next time, y'aint gonna be so lucky." I've often felt I should've died that time & sometimes I wonder if I belong here. Hopefully I can stay alive for a while, enjoy life, the Natural Beauty of this earth in some place - safe, ifya know what I mean, eh?
Do you like "living" like that?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 21, 2016, 12:05:07 AM
Post by: JOE on May 21, 2016, 12:05:07 AM
If you enter, do so at your own risk.
....it is a completely different world from 'civilization'.
Common sense stuff. I was going to buy property abroad, but I decided to farm in Saskatchewan instead. Snakes were not the reason I decided to stay home. Though I think JOE is a little wuss and scared of his own shadow.Quote from: "Herman"
Gotta confess, I don't like snakes, lizards, crocodiles, alligators or other reptiles much. They're hideous. Nothing I'd like to keep around the house.
I am not crazy about any of them either. But, I will not wimp out of going abroad because of them.
Heck Herman, I don't even venture out in the Canadian Wilderness anymore. I had an incident with a Wild animal while working up North which nearly cost me my life. So now I have this eerie feeling that someone's looking over my shoulder, tapping on it, and saying to me, "You've used up your nine lives, Pal. This one's on me. But the next time, y'aint gonna be so lucky." I've often felt I should've died that time & sometimes I wonder if I belong here. Hopefully I can stay alive for a while, enjoy life, the Natural Beauty of this earth in some place - safe, ifya know what I mean, eh?
Do you like "living" like that?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2016, 01:19:15 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2016, 01:19:15 AM
....the wilderness or the wild....is a dangerous place.Quote from: "JOE"
If you enter, do so at your own risk.
....it is a completely different world from 'civilization'.
What a wimp.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 21, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 22, 2016, 04:56:34 AM
Post by: JOE on May 22, 2016, 04:56:34 AM
....the wilderness or the wild....is a dangerous place.Quote from: "JOE"
If you enter, do so at your own risk.
....it is a completely different world from 'civilization'.
What a wimp.:roll:
Well, ifya say so, Herm.
But at least it showed or taught me, there are ways a person should never want to die.
The first is being murdered by someone.
The second, equally or more terrifying is to be ripped apart by a wild animal.
I knew that some who weren't so lucky as I was. They were mauled to death or else severely maimed for life.
I'm glad I made it out alive. Its that moment of terror before I thought I was going to die that I'll never forget. Probably the same feeling an animal has when its going to get run over by a car.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 22, 2016, 09:00:03 AM
Post by: Renee on May 22, 2016, 09:00:03 AM
Common sense stuff. I was going to buy property abroad, but I decided to farm in Saskatchewan instead. Snakes were not the reason I decided to stay home. Though I think JOE is a little wuss and scared of his own shadow.Quote from: "Herman"
Gotta confess, I don't like snakes, lizards, crocodiles, alligators or other reptiles much. They're hideous. Nothing I'd like to keep around the house.
I am not crazy about any of them either. But, I will not wimp out of going abroad because of them.
Heck Herman, I don't even venture out in the Canadian Wilderness anymore. I had an incident with a Wild animal while working up North which nearly cost me my life. So now I have this eerie feeling that someone's looking over my shoulder, tapping on it, and saying to me, "You've used up your nine lives, Pal. This one's on me. But the next time, y'aint gonna be so lucky." I've often felt I should've died that time & sometimes I wonder if I belong here. Hopefully I can stay alive for a while, enjoy life, the Natural Beauty of this earth in some place - safe, ifya know what I mean, eh?
Wild animal? What, some strung out stripper caught you perving on her in the rearview mirror?
I'll bet she beat the shit out of you.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2016, 09:29:16 AM
Post by: Anonymous on May 22, 2016, 09:29:16 AM
....the wilderness or the wild....is a dangerous place.Quote from: "JOE"
If you enter, do so at your own risk.
....it is a completely different world from 'civilization'.
What a wimp.:roll:
Well, ifya say so, Herm.
But at least it showed or taught me, there are ways a person should never want to die.
The first is being murdered by someone.
The second, equally or more terrifying is to be ripped apart by a wild animal.
I knew that some who weren't so lucky as I was. They were mauled to death or else severely maimed for life.
I'm glad I made it out alive. Its that moment of terror before I thought I was going to die that I'll never forget. Probably the same feeling an animal has when its going to get run over by a car.
I am hardly Survivorman myself, but don't be afraid of camping, fishing and other fun outdoor stuff.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: JOE on May 22, 2016, 09:10:05 PM
Post by: JOE on May 22, 2016, 09:10:05 PM
Wild animal? What, some strung out stripper caught you perving on her in the rearview mirror?Quote from: "Renee"
I'll bet she beat the shit out of you.:laugh3:
Ya got it wrong, Renn.
If anythin' its the stripper who'll bat an eyelash or two ta draw their potential customers in.
The kind you're referring are better known as a 'couga'. Usually these are middle-aged women around 40 who are bored with their husbands, their careers and lives in general. They sport bright lipstick and are caked in perfume and heavy makeup. Plus they wear these sharp stiletto heels along with razor sharp tallons disguised as nails. And their flashy smiles hide the fangs lest any undesireables get too close or stare too long.
Cougas are known to roam in herds, where they congregate with other cougas. Their known habitat can be found at nightclubs during 'Ladies' Night Out' or in Shopping centers such as Macy's or Nordstrom's.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on May 26, 2016, 08:30:07 PM
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on May 26, 2016, 08:30:07 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2016, 10:34:24 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2016, 10:34:24 PM
I can't understand for the life of me why they don't just leave these people alone to follow their dreams of a better life in America.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
Who do you mean? Illegal migrants?
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: cc on May 26, 2016, 10:43:18 PM
Post by: cc on May 26, 2016, 10:43:18 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2016, 10:53:51 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 26, 2016, 10:53:51 PM
Can't for the life of me understand people not getting the illegal" In illegalQuote from: "cc la femme"
Make em legal and they will vote for that person/party.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 27, 2016, 01:49:47 PM
Post by: Renee on May 27, 2016, 01:49:47 PM
I can't understand for the life of me why they don't just leave these people alone to follow their dreams of a better life in America.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
I can't understand for the life me why someone hasn't beaten you to death.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2016, 03:16:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 27, 2016, 03:16:32 PM
I can't understand for the life of me why they don't just leave these people alone to follow their dreams of a better life in America.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
I can't understand for the life me why someone hasn't beaten you to death.
I am willing to do it.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on May 28, 2016, 12:08:32 PM
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on May 28, 2016, 12:08:32 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Renee on May 28, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
Post by: Renee on May 28, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
You are being very immature. This is Canada in the 21st century where violence is not called for. Violence is not who we are. You must refrain from violence.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
STFU troll, your obnoxious prog act is getting very old.
Honesty, I'd like to see someone twist your head right off your pencil neck. In fact I'd pay real money to see it happen.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2016, 01:35:23 PM
Post by: Anonymous on May 28, 2016, 01:35:23 PM
You are being very immature. This is Canada in the 21st century where violence is not called for. Violence is not who we are. You must refrain from violence.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
STFU troll, your obnoxious prog act is getting very old.
Honesty, I'd like to see someone twist your head right off your pencil neck. In fact I'd pay real money to see it happen.
How much will you pay me? What am I saying, I would do it for free. it would be a public service.
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on July 11, 2016, 03:56:10 PM
Post by: Lance Leftardashian on July 11, 2016, 03:56:10 PM
Title: Re: Exclusive: U.S. plans new wave of immigrant deportation raids
Post by: Anonymous on July 11, 2016, 07:10:50 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 11, 2016, 07:10:50 PM
I can't believe the immaturity of some of the posters on this forum.Quote from: "Lance Leftardashian"
That is fucking rich.