I did not put this in politics because it is not about political policies. Just saying how he has excited unionized workers who cannot even vote in American elections.
			
			
			
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mmmm, okay for now..
But, others may see this as pure politics and want it moved..
I suppose it depends on what direction it takes..
But, we do have a thread titled "does Trump respect women" on the main page.
			 
			
			
				The Democrats are going to shed some blue collar votes to Trump. They are buying his populist rhetoric.
			
			
			
				What I like about Trump is that he dares to say things those in the Establishment won't. And he's a threat to they and their jobs because he threatens to upend the existing order. Still, that's a breath of fresh air from the stifling social order a la political correctness which has taken over and placed a muzzle on everybody's lips. In some ways, Trump is very much like that old style 1970s liberal era where anything went, and people said what they wanted to without fear of retribution. And I agree with him somewhat that we have to put down or at least subdue this 9 headed hydra beast called political correctness.
However, what I don't like about Trump is how he trashes Mexicans when there are a large number who went to Vietnam in his place while he back then as a young liberal Democrat when he partied hardy. Many of those Hispanics/chicanos never came back. And some of those who went weren't even American citizens but were doing it to acquire citizenship. A lot of them didn't even get what they were promised and some were eventually deported. Donald trump has never acknowledged their sacrifice. He should.
			
			
			
				Politics in general is not a popular conversation topic where I work, but it does happen..
I work in a unionized environment with only women..
I do not get the impression Trump impresses them..
They did not mention his politics, I think they don't like him personally.
			
			
			
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I work in a unionized environment with only women..
I do not get the impression Trump impresses them..
They did not mention his politics, I think they don't like him personally.
Most women do not like Trump personally. A lot of men do not like Hillary.
			 
			
			
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I work in a non unionized, but very blue collar industry. I have never seen these guys take interest in any politician from Canada, but they like Trump.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I work in a unionized environment with only women..
I do not get the impression Trump impresses them..
They did not mention his politics, I think they don't like him personally.
Most women do not like Trump personally. A lot of men do not like Hillary.
That is true, but neither Trump nor Clinton will make women's lives better or worse. They are disliked based on their personalities or lack of a personality.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
I work in a unionized environment with only women..
I do not get the impression Trump impresses them..
They did not mention his politics, I think they don't like him personally.
Most women do not like Trump personally. A lot of men do not like Hillary.
That is true, but neither Trump nor Clinton will make women's lives better or worse. They are disliked based on their personalities or lack of a personality.
They both have sky high unfavorable among US voters.
			 
			
			
				A bloody shit show. Most powerful position in the world and look at the fools we have to choose from
			
			
			
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:laugh: 
Donald Trump: "inappropriate question", "they were mean to me", "they were nasty to me", "it's so unfair", "I'm suing", "I'm boycotting"...
Trump's a pussy. And "dares to say" a bunch of nonsense and kooky conspiracy theories isn't exactly admirable.
Remember to go to a reputable dealer when you buy your next car.
			 
			
			
				
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Quote from: "JOE"
:laugh: 
Donald Trump: "inappropriate question", "they were mean to me", "they were nasty to me", "it's so unfair", "I'm suing", "I'm boycotting"...
Trump's a pussy. And "dares to say" a bunch of nonsense and kooky conspiracy theories isn't exactly admirable.
Remember to go to a reputable dealer when you buy your next car.
Bernie Sanders is at least as big a crybaby as Trump. As far as that goes, Clinton is no better than either of them.
			 
			
			
				Bernie Sanders is the biggest pussy whiner I have ever seen run for president.
			
			
			
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He's an even bigger fraud than Trump.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "Herman"
He's an even bigger fraud than Trump.
His ideas if made policy would kill the best paying jobs.
			 
			
			
				How Hillary Clinton could lose.
It's a terrifying moment for Democrats: Hillary Clinton's double-digit lead in national polls has evaporated and panic is beginning to set in. Polls now show Donald Trump ahead of Clinton, or at worst only a few points behind. During the insanity of the Republican primary, it was easy for them to believe that Trump could never be president—that in a general election, mainstream voters would regard him as an absurdity. But Clinton remains a shaky candidate with historically high negatives, an email scandal that keeps getting worse and a stubborn primary opponent whose supporters may yet become a midsummer nightmare in Philadelphia. Meanwhile, the Republicans, seemingly in all-out civil war just weeks ago, have quickly fallen in line. Democrats are resigning themselves to a tough, ugly, painful and expensive street fight.
The numbers offer some reassurance for Democrats—but also some bad news.
If you drill down enough, it's clear there are at least four paths to a loss, and any one of them poses a real risk for a candidate likely to follow her usual careful, calculating playbook. The cold math of a potential Clinton defeat is not to be found in national polls, but in the Electoral College—and within each state's unique demographics and culture. Trump won't dramatically remake the political map, but he doesn't need to. He just needs to squeeze a little more out of certain voters in certain states, while Clinton draws a little less.
If Clinton pushes away some of her potential supporters; fails to energize others to vote; and fires up Trump's base by pandering to her own—well, she just might be able to make the numbers work out for him. If he does pull off the election of the century, Trump's path to 270 Electoral College votes will begin with 164 practically in the bank, from 21 solid-red states generally considered sure things for the Republican nominee. And here's how Clinton could push more than enough additional states onto Trump's side of the ledger—Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Iowa, Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan—one mistake at a time.
Step 1: Take Hispanic enthusiasm for granted
It's been a matter of faith in Democratic circles: Trump's grotesque demonization of Latin-American immigrants will boost Hispanic turnout and Clinton's share of their vote. As a result, you're already hearing a lot less about Housing and Urban Development Secretary Julián Castro, once the odds-on favorite to become Clinton's vice presidential running mate. Castro was supposed to be part of a big Democratic push for Hispanic votes this year. Now, the thinking seems to be, those votes will take care of themselves.
Early evidence certainly supports that belief. Hispanic-Americans dislike Trump—strongly dislike him—in massive majorities, according to polls. Legal residents are rushing to become citizens, and citizens are registering to vote, just so they can cast a ballot against him in November. That has Clinton supporters believing that she'll win crucial victories in Florida—where 17 percent of the 2012 vote was Hispanic, according to exit polls—Colorado, Nevada and possibly even Arizona.
But it would be difficult for Trump to keep doing as poorly with Latino voters as he's done over the past year. And if he's able to keep his incendiary language to a minimum, there is no guarantee that Clinton's energy will hold for the many months until the election.
There is also reason to think Clinton's enthusiasm with Hispanic voters needs stoking. A new Fox Latino poll shows Clinton leading Trump by an impressive-sounding 39 points: 62 to 23. But there's a problem: That 39-point spread is actually less than the 44 by which Barack Obama beat Mitt Romney in 2012.
Florida, where Democratic confidence is sky-high, carries a critical 29 Electoral College votes. In 2012, according to exit polls, Hispanics made up a larger percentage of the state's vote than in previous years, and Obama won a higher percentage of them—60 percent—than any Democrat had before. That translated into a 285,600-vote advantage (20 percent) among Hispanic voters for Obama over Romney in the state, which Obama carried by just 73,000 votes overall.
The big question is: Can Clinton sustain that kind of historic lead? All Trump would have to do is roll back the Democratic advantage to 2008 levels, instead of 2012 levels, to reverse the tide. All else being equal, a return to 2008's numbers—when Hispanics were 14 percent of the vote, and Obama won them by a 15 percent margin rather than 20 percent—would mean Democrats losing 109,200 votes off their advantage. And that could turn Obama's 73,000-vote Florida victory into a 36,000-vote defeat.
Yes, their numbers are growing. But Hispanics simply don't like Clinton nearly as much as they like Obama: Her favorable/unfavorable is a net +15 in that Fox Latino poll, while Obama's is +46. Colorado, where the fast-growing Hispanic population gave 75 percent of its vote to Obama in 2008, is a similar story to Florida. So is Nevada, where all of the major analysts still rate the Senate race between Republican Joe Heck and Democrat Catherine Cortez Masto a tossup—suggesting that they aren't yet foreseeing a torrent of Democratic-voting Hispanics rush the polls in November.
Oh, and did we mention that Hispanic voters are disproportionately young—a staggering 44 percent of eligible Hispanic voters this year are millennials, compared with 27 percent of non-Hispanic whites, according to Pew—and that Sanders has been pulling large numbers of them away from Clinton, just as much as others their age.
Trump Wins: Arizona (11 electoral votes), Florida (29), and possibly Colorado (9) and Nevada (6)
Running total (in total Electoral College votes): Trump wins between 204 and 219
			
			
			
				Step 2: Alienate the young
Millennials, being both more numerous and less cynical than their Generation X predecessors, once seemed likely to usher in a substantial advantage for Democrats among young voters. Except then they stopped turning out. In 2012, the number of 18-to-29-year-old voters dropped by 1.8 million from the previous presidential election year. "It seems likely that the observed young-adult voting surge of 2004–2008 was temporary," a U.S. Census study concluded, "and not representative of a permanent shift towards greater young-adult engagement in presidential elections."
In 2016, this is likely to affect Clinton's performance in several college-heavy states that have had relatively high turnout—and high Democratic voting rates—among those age groups. That includes swing states such as Iowa, North Carolina, New Hampshire and Virginia. Just look at what happened in the past cycle. In Iowa, for example, 18-to-29-year-olds dropped from 17 percent of the 2008 vote to 15 percent in 2012—and were less likely to vote for Obama. The result was a net loss of close to 30,000 votes, in a contest Romney lost by less than 90,000 votes.
And that was with Obama, who did far better than Clinton with young voters.
During primary season, Sanders took a stunning 84 percent of the under-30 vote in the Iowa caucuses. Many of these young Sanders voters may come around to support Clinton over Trump in the general—just as Clinton's bitter supporters eventually came to support Obama in 2008. The question is, though: How many?
Maybe not enough. As Jennifer Duffy of the Cook Political Report notes, there is a big difference between 2008 and 2016: Then, Clinton's so-called PUMA die-hards were mostly middle-age suburban women, with long-standing ties to the Democratic Party. In other words: likely voters. Most young Sanders voters, on the other hand, are not yet regular voters, and certainly not the kind of committed Democrats Clinton can count on; her campaign will need a significant get-out-the-vote effort to persuade them to show up in November. That will be more difficult the more she takes the conservative path, pivoting to the center for the general election, and focusing on messages geared toward her core—older—voters.
To see how much young-voter turnout matters, look at North Carolina. In 2008, Obama had a net advantage there among 18-to-29-year-olds of 368,000 votes—and eked out a 14,000-vote victory overall. In 2012, with dampened enthusiasm, Obama's advantage in that age group dropped by 120,000, and Romney coasted to a 92,000-vote win. What's more, those young voters are especially likely to be swayed to third-party alternatives, which—see below—could become more enticing this time around.
Trump wins: Georgia (16), North Carolina (15) and Iowa (6), with a chance at Virginia (13)
Running total: Trump wins between 241 and 269
			
			
			
				Step 3: Let establishment Republicans find another place to go
The key to a Clinton landslide is turning red voters blue. And once it became clear that conservatives didn't have the guts to put forward a #NeverTrump protest candidate, "Republicans for Hillary" was beginning to have a bit of a ring to it. But there's another possibility: A plausible moderate-right candidate could emerge as a genuine alternative. 
Take, for example, former Massachusetts Republican Governor Bill Weld, whose history with Clinton goes back decades. Weld is exactly the type of GOP moderate Clinton has reportedly been wooing as Trump edged closer to the nomination. He endorsed Obama in 2008. He compares Trump's rhetoric to Nazism. And there are plenty of Republicans like him this year, particularly in the Northeast. Not too many years ago, you could imagine considerable appeal for Clinton among Weld-ian Republicans. But thanks to her primary run, a combination of issues—Sanders pushing her left on economic issues, her unsatisfactory answers on the email scandal—has made that a tougher sell.
And now, instead of endorsing Clinton, Weld has agreed to join Gary Johnson on a potential Libertarian Party ticket, which suddenly looks like a very friendly home for old-fashioned country-club Republicans. It's not a stretch to imagine Weld's friend and fellow former Massachusetts Republican Governor Romney, who is clearly disgusted with Trump, could endorse Johnson-Weld. Disgruntled Republican funders loath to back Trump—another demographic being wooed by Clinton—could follow.
Sure, the votes the Libertarian Party siphons off will be primarily those of Republicans. That's likely to pad Clinton's lead in some already blue states she doesn't need to worry about, such as Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York. However, the disaffected GOP voters it pulls away from Clinton are potentially critical for her in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and perhaps even Maine, where third-party candidates have a considerable disruptive history. And in the event that, say, John Kasich were to endorse Johnson-Weld, even Ohio could suddenly get shaken up. Sure, that one is a long shot, but even without a big-name endorsement, there's evidence that a plausible GOP alternative hurts Clinton more than Trump this year. A new Zogby poll of Ohio voters shows that in a four-way race including Johnson (pulling 6 percent) and Green Party nominee Jill Stein (3 percent), Clinton takes the bigger hit, and her lead in the state decreases.
We've seen this movie before: It was 1980, and independent candidate John Anderson pulled lots of votes in what we think of as blue states—15 percent in Massachusetts, 13 percent in New Hampshire, 11 percent in Colorado and Washington, 10 percent in Oregon and Maine. Anderson had been a Republican, but the votes he siphoned off would have gone more to Jimmy Carter than to Ronald Reagan—by 49 percent to 37 percent, according to exit polls. Every one of those states went for Reagan. In Maine, the margin was just 3 percentage points.
The emergence of a plausible moderate alternative also threatens to derail a larger piece of Democratic strategy: Clinton hoped to trot out aisle-crossing Republicans to boost her bipartisan credentials. Now, many Republican leaders will have a choice between Trump or Johnson, and not be forced to choose Clinton. Meanwhile, the other big constituency of anti-Trump Republicans—religious conservatives—has given up on finding its own protest candidate. Unlike establishment moderates, these Republicans would never go for Clinton—and will mostly end up boosting Trump's numbers in states such as Iowa, Georgia, North Carolina and Florida. If Clinton loses in November, her supporters are going to be kicking themselves for not locking in moderate Republicans sooner.
In 2012, Obama won New Hampshire by 40,000 votes, or about 5 percent of the vote. In the Granite State, that was a relative landslide: The margin has been less than 2 percent in three of the past six presidential elections. Should a Libertarian ticket pull an Anderson-like 13 percent of the vote there—and should the bulk of those voters be Never-Trumpers, some of whom would otherwise have gone to Clinton—then the third party could tip a typically close Granite State contest to Trump.
Trump wins: New Hampshire (4), one district of Maine (1) and—if union households desert Clinton over trade (see below)—possibly Pennsylvania (20)
Running total: Trump wins between 246 and 294
			
			
			
				Step 4: Fumble on trade
As soon as the votes were tallied in 2012, Richard Trumka of the AFL-CIO and Mary Kay Henry of SEIU were claiming unions had delivered Obama's victory. They argued, with justification, that Ohio, Wisconsin and Nevada got into the blue column because of a massive turnout effort from labor. But earlier this year, both Trumka and Henry expressed concerns that Trump could flip that script.
"Our members are responding to Trump's message," Henry said in one interview. "Donald Trump is tapping into the very real and very understandable anger of working people," Trumka said in a speech.
It's not just that these workers are drawn to the raw emotion of Trump's "you've been screwed" rhetoric. Polls show that union households tend to oppose free trade quite strongly. Sanders has made free trade a centerpiece of his primary campaign against Clinton. Trump, hoping to woo Sanders voters, frequently praises his position on that issue.
Union voters largely agree with Trump that trade deals—including those negotiated by Democratic Presidents Obama and Bill Clinton—have taken their jobs away. Hillary Clinton has yet to counter this attack in any meaningful way. Her history on trade has been careful and political, which has left her struggling to articulate a strong argument against Sanders, let alone Trump. She gave measured support at the time to her husband's controversial NAFTA deal, but later called it a mistake; voted in favor of most but not all trade deals as senator; and flip-flopped unconvincingly on the Trans-Pacific Partnership this year.
It's not hard to see how quickly this could start costing her Electoral College votes in the Rust Belt, where Trump hopes to improve on past Republican performance. (And where, you may remember, Clinton had to apologize for threatening to put coal companies out of business.) In Ohio, for example, 22 percent of 2012 voters came from union households, and 60 percent of them voted for Obama. In Wisconsin, a similar share of the electorate voted 2-to-1 for Obama over Romney. In 2016, both states went for Sanders over Clinton in their primaries. In Pennsylvania, where Trump is planning a major effort, union households provided Obama more than half his net margin.
Trump wins: Ohio (18) and Wisconsin (10), and maybe Michigan (16)
Running total: Trump wins between 274 and 338
The Final Tally
So there you have it. Trump survives a Latino surge in the South and West; Clinton fails to bring home young voters in the Southeast and Midwest; Libertarians give Trump a foothold in the Northeast; the Rust Belt puts the nail in the coffin—and with somewhere between 274 and 325 electoral votes, Donald J. Trump becomes the 45th president of the United States. Yes, the specifics could vary. But it's clear Trump can cross the 270 electoral-vote threshold even on the low end, with plenty of cushion on the high end to make up for a state that slips through his fingers here or there. 
For what it's worth, it's also possible Clinton wins in a landslide, as an increasingly unstable Trump shrinks deeper and deeper into racism, xenophobia and conspiracy theories. But what's clear is that Democrats can no longer count on a lopsided race that even a problematic candidate running a clumsy campaign can't lose.
Again: It's a long way to November, and Trump could always self-destruct. But he probably won't, and 2016 is shaping up as a contest that a careful Clinton campaign can easily lose, state by state, even as she piles up the popular vote in California and other sure-win places. Demographics are not destiny. In fact, they can be a disaster waiting to happen.
			
			
			
				This election is unusual in many ways and organized labour is no exception. Usually the Democrat candidate could count on their support. Not this time around.
			
			
			
				California alone has two million new voters registered. I am betting the majority are Hispanic. Are they going to vote Trump? Not likely.
			
			
			
				Trump has the balls to say things that others will not.  This alone has rocketed him into a position where perhaps he shouldn't even be.
We must first question why, why does the "atmosphere" become such, where a man like Trump could possibly hold the Presidential title?  THIS is what we must look at, in any democracy...
Now, would he make the best President?  Probably not...  Would he get my vote, if I lived South of the border?  He just might...  Food for thought!
			
			
			
				Quote from: "smell the glove"
We must first question why, why does the "atmosphere" become such, where a man like Trump could possibly hold the Presidential title?  THIS is what we must look at, in any democracy...
Now, would he make the best President?  Probably not...  Would he get my vote, if I lived South of the border?  He just might...  Food for thought!
He says a lot things he doesn't intend to put into action.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "smell the glove"
We must first question why, why does the "atmosphere" become such, where a man like Trump could possibly hold the Presidential title?  THIS is what we must look at, in any democracy...
Now, would he make the best President?  Probably not...  Would he get my vote, if I lived South of the border?  He just might...  Food for thought!
He says a lot things he doesn't intend to put into action.
A Trump press conference will be very different.
			 
			
			
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So does a drunk. 
You're not drunk every minute you're awake, right? Don't you have enough intelligence to see that Trump is all bullshit? His Muslim ban is now a "suggestion". His wall is now a "virtual" wall. 
What's the appeal in someone who thinks people like you are gullible fools?
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "smell the glove"
So does a drunk. 
You're not drunk every minute you're awake, right? Don't you have enough intelligence to see that Trump is all bullshit? His Muslim ban is now a "suggestion". His wall is now a "virtual" wall. 
What's the appeal in someone who thinks people like you are gullible fools?
Well Clinton has changed her positions enough times too.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Romero"
Quote from: "smell the glove"
So does a drunk. 
You're not drunk every minute you're awake, right? Don't you have enough intelligence to see that Trump is all bullshit? His Muslim ban is now a "suggestion". His wall is now a "virtual" wall. 
What's the appeal in someone who thinks people like you are gullible fools?
What the hell is Clinton doing with free trade? She can wriggle and wordsmith all she wants, but the reality is that her husband's most notable economic and diplomatic achievement was NAFTA, which she has routinely applauded. More recently, she was an enthusiast for President Obama's huge TPP trade agreement, until she was not.  
Bernie Sanders flip-flopped on liability for gun makers, sellers. All three of them think Americans are gullible fools.
			 
			
			
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He will doup these people like no tomorrow. They will be working alright. For pennies on the dollar. Make Merica great again. Bring the jobs home. What fucking bullshit.
			 
			
			
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He will doup these people like no tomorrow. They will be working alright. For pennies on the dollar. Make Merica great again. Bring the jobs home. What fucking bullshit.
Do you think Sanders and Clinton will not? That is not the point that all three of them are changing their positions to gain votes.  Trump has been better than Clinton at winning the hearts and minds of a lot of union and blue collar people.
			 
			
			
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He will doup these people like no tomorrow. They will be working alright. For pennies on the dollar. Make Merica great again. Bring the jobs home. What fucking bullshit.
Do you think Sanders and Clinton will not? That is not the point that all three of them are changing their positions to gain votes.  Trump has been better than Clinton at winning the hearts and minds of a lot of union and blue collar people.
One thing that appears to be true. Thanks Herman and Bro. He is wooing them for votes. Please tell me how Merican manufacturing jobs can compete with those in China. Cannot.  Tell me how he is going to bring the jobs home to make Merica great again. The only way is to bust the unions. Pay workers pennies on the dollar. Let these blue collar fools vote for him. Fat cats are licking their chops like never before. As most elections go these day, ones choice will be based on the lesser or two evils. The whole process makes me ill. Tell me how this arrogant Bafoon gets the support he seems to get?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
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Quote from: "Shen Li"
He will doup these people like no tomorrow. They will be working alright. For pennies on the dollar. Make Merica great again. Bring the jobs home. What fucking bullshit.
Do you think Sanders and Clinton will not? That is not the point that all three of them are changing their positions to gain votes.  Trump has been better than Clinton at winning the hearts and minds of a lot of union and blue collar people.
One thing that appears to be true. Thanks Herman and Bro. He is wooing them for votes. Please tell me how Merican manufacturing jobs can compete with those in China. Cannot.  Tell me how he is going to bring the jobs home to make Merica great again. The only way is to bust the unions. Pay workers pennies on the dollar. Let these blue collar fools vote for him. Fat cats are licking their chops like never before. As most elections go these day, ones choice will be based on the lesser or two evils. The whole process makes me ill. Tell me how this arrogant Bafoon gets the support he seems to get?
Believe it or not, China is losing manufacturing jobs too. Clinton is not going to bring back manufacturing jobs that are even leaving the country they left the US for. Sanders would be the biggest job killer of the three because of his irrational hatred to high paying jobs in the oil, gas and mining industries.  
But, you keep repeating the same thing without reading what I am saying. Unionized labor does not support NAFTA, TPP which Hillary Clinton does. Donald Trump opposes them, therefore he is popular with many blue collar types. Do you understand now? I would assume what you call "fat cats" would be in favor of free trade agreements, but not all. So, you have it backwards about who the elites support. They have their millions on Secretary Hillary.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Romero"
You're not drunk every minute you're awake, right? Don't you have enough intelligence to see that Trump is all bullshit? His Muslim ban is now a "suggestion". His wall is now a "virtual" wall. 
What's the appeal in someone who thinks people like you are gullible fools?
It's two-fold, Romero...
First off, for a nation that can consider Trump as a serious player in a democratic election tells me something not about Trump, but of the Nation itself.  Maybe when people truly want "change," they want it!  Good or bad!
Secondly, I know how Western governments work.  I can assure you that even if Trump is elected, it would be virtually impossible for him to implement any drastic change.  Hitler could, and did, and perhaps people still think about the "what if" scenario from the Nazi era.  I am fairly certain that could never be duplicated in any Western democracies today.
As a footnote, I find Trump quite entertaining.  American politics has all the others beat, as far as entertainment factors go!  Canadian politics is shit, respectively!
TRUMP FOR PREZ!
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
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Quote from: "Shen Li"
He will doup these people like no tomorrow. They will be working alright. For pennies on the dollar. Make Merica great again. Bring the jobs home. What fucking bullshit.
Do you think Sanders and Clinton will not? That is not the point that all three of them are changing their positions to gain votes.  Trump has been better than Clinton at winning the hearts and minds of a lot of union and blue collar people.
One thing that appears to be true. Thanks Herman and Bro. He is wooing them for votes. Please tell me how Merican manufacturing jobs can compete with those in China. Cannot.  Tell me how he is going to bring the jobs home to make Merica great again. The only way is to bust the unions. Pay workers pennies on the dollar. Let these blue collar fools vote for him. Fat cats are licking their chops like never before. As most elections go these day, ones choice will be based on the lesser or two evils. The whole process makes me ill. Tell me how this arrogant Bafoon gets the support he seems to get?
Believe it or not, China is losing manufacturing jobs too. Clinton is not going to bring back manufacturing jobs that are even leaving the country they left the US for. Sanders would be the biggest job killer of the three because of his irrational hatred to high paying jobs in the oil, gas and mining industries.  
But, you keep repeating the same thing without reading what I am saying. Unionized labor does not support NAFTA, TPP which Hillary Clinton does. Donald Trump opposes them, therefore he is popular with many blue collar types. Do you understand now? I would assume what you call "fat cats" would be in favor of free trade agreements, but not all. So, you have it backwards about who the elites support. They have their millions on Secretary Hillary.
Herman trump will screw the shit out working people regardless. Support right now saves no one or nothing. You are captivated by the press and what they report.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "Romero"
You're not drunk every minute you're awake, right? Don't you have enough intelligence to see that Trump is all bullshit? His Muslim ban is now a "suggestion". His wall is now a "virtual" wall. 
What's the appeal in someone who thinks people like you are gullible fools?
It's two-fold, Romero...
First off, for a nation that can consider Trump as a serious player in a democratic election tells me something not about Trump, but of the Nation itself.  Maybe when people truly want "change," they want it!  Good or bad!
Secondly, I know how Western governments work.  I can assure you that even if Trump is elected, it would be virtually impossible for him to implement any drastic change.  Hitler could, and did, and perhaps people still think about the "what if" scenario from the Nazi era.  I am fairly certain that could never be duplicated in any Western democracies today.
As a footnote, I find Trump quite entertaining.  American politics has all the others beat, as far as entertainment factors go!  Canadian politics is shit, respectively!
TRUMP FOR PREZ!
I don't care who wins the American election..
But, the rhetoric from Trump even if all empty talk is something I have never seen in North America..
Although, we have something kind of similar if Kevin O'Leary seeks the Conservative party leadership.
			 
			
			
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TD, you are not reading what I am saying or what Herm is saying. Neither of us are captivated by American press. :laugh:  
I am talking about what the three candidates are saying. Big labour hates Clinton's support of trade deals. They see NAFTA as screwing the shit out of working people. The blame her husband for implementing NAFTA. Trump and Sanders, although both are lying say they will scrap it along with withdrawing US support for the TPP. Do you understand now what we are saying about why working people see 
Trump and Sanders are both full of shit, but it is about what they are saying.
			 
			
			
				That news conference Trump gave was brutal. It was about the money he raised for vets. Man that guy is thin skinned.
			
			
			
				In Crooked Hillary's telepromter speech yesterday, she made up things that I said or believe but have no basis in fact. Not honest!
			
			
			
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Trump talking about Carly Fiorina's apprarance."Can you imagine that, the face of our next president? I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not supposed to say bad things
My point here is not to quote Trump because he contradicts himself on a daily basis.
			 
			
			
				Why would anyone quote Trump? He will reverse himself an hour later.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "seoulbro"
Correcto. Why does t Herman understand this?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Correcto. Why does t Herman understand this?
You read must be reading something Herman wrote some place else. Because on here he says anything Trump says should be taken with a pinch of salt.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
Correcto. Why does t Herman understand this?
You read must be reading something Herman wrote some place else. Because on here he says anything Trump says should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Of course. Trump is not stupid, but he is saying stupid things even after he locked up the GOP nod. The reason I believe is that the only reason he is in this race is to get his old friends, the Clintons back into the white house. He is a life long Democrat who used his money and influence to get Hillary elected senator in New York. In 2008, he supported Hillary for Democratic nominee for president. 
This is electoral fraud between Trump and the Clintons. Hillary is unlikeable and she knew she could never defeat Rubio or Kasich, so she gets her old friend Trump to run and win the GOP nomination and continue saying stupid things so she is guaranteed the white house. This US election is a frickin scam.
			 
			
			
				
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It is a joke Herman.
			 
			
			
				
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				Quote from: "Herman"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
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Quote from: "seoulbro"
Correcto. Why does t Herman understand this?
You read must be reading something Herman wrote some place else. Because on here he says anything Trump says should be taken with a pinch of salt.
Of course. Trump is not stupid, but he is saying stupid things even after he locked up the GOP nod. The reason I believe is that the only reason he is in this race is to get his old friends, the Clintons back into the white house. He is a life long Democrat who used his money and influence to get Hillary elected senator in New York. In 2008, he supported Hillary for Democratic nominee for president. 
This is electoral fraud between Trump and the Clintons. Hillary is unlikeable and she knew she could never defeat Rubio or Kasich, so she gets her old friend Trump to run and win the GOP nomination and continue saying stupid things so she is guaranteed the white house. This US election is a frickin scam.
Not only is Trump going to get Secretary Clinton elected, his comments about judge Curiel will cost the GOP down election votes and control of the senate. Man, Bill and Hillary are cunning.
			 
			
			
				It's official now, Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee for president. I expect Trump to say more stupid shit to deliberately hand the election over to Clinton. Two senior citizen sleazebags.
			
			
			
				Does anyone think Clinton would choose Sanders as her running mate? God help the global economy if Sanders has a say on policy.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Shen Li"
I doubt his name will appear on the ticket.
			 
			
			
				Is President Obama going to finally mention the words radical Islamic terrorism? If he doesn't he should immediately resign in disgrace!
			
			
			
				There could still be an open revolt against Trump at the Cleveland convention.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Herman"
If only. The other scenario thanks to the Bafoon is to put Hill and Bill back into the White House.
			 
			
			
				
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				Thank you Kid Rock.

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				Where is the outrage for this Disney book? Is this the 'Star of David' also? 

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You are having trouble convincing leading Republicans to speak at the convention.
			 
			
			
				In light of the horrible attack in Nice, France, I have postponed tomorrow's news conference concerning my Vice Presidential announcement
			
			
			
				What a difference between crooked Hillary Clinton and Mike Pence. Mike Pence will never be afraid to say the words Islamic terrorism.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "The Donald"
Two of the biggest planks in your platform are opposition to NAFTA and TPP. Your VP choice favours both just like Clinton does. Who will change, you or Pence?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "The Donald"
You sir will lose this election by a landslide to the most problematic candidate the jackass party has put forward in a looooong time.
			 
			
			
				
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I hear that the wife is some speech writer?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "The Donald"

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Your oldest son gave a great speech yesterday.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Shen Li"
Quote from: "The Donald"
You sir will lose this election by a landslide to the most problematic candidate the jackass party has put forward in a looooong time.
Hey Sweety. Maybe you can convince your friends here of just that. I wouldn't vote for this jackass. He will never win.
			 
			
			
				If Ivanka can speak as well as Don jr, I can see why the campaign team decided to give his kids a big role. We will see tonight.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "seoulbro"
Like your signature. I am not a doctrinaire libertarian, but still some truth to it.
			 
			
			
				I gave a great acceptance speech.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "The Donald"
I saw it brother, so do not bullshit me. You doubled down on your primary message. Your daughter reached out to swing voters, but you did not.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "The Donald"
You are going to be one busy president. That's a helluva lot of things you say you are going to "fix".
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "The Donald"
I am sure you think you did, but I did not watch it..
I am glad that convention is over, but now the other American party convention begins..
After a provincial election, a federal election, a Taiwanese presidential election and a by election in my riding, my stomach cannot handle watching an American presidential election..
Too much politics for me.
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				Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "The Donald"
I am sure you think you did, but I did not watch it..
I am glad that convention is over, but now the other American party convention begins..
After a provincial election, a federal election, a Taiwanese presidential election and a by election in my riding, my stomach cannot handle watching an American presidential election..
Too much politics for me.
 :yuk:
I can certainly understand that kid.
			 
			
			
				Ivanka pretty

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				Ivanka is breath taking. She has got three kids too.
			
			
			
				Wow, President Obama's brother, Malik, just announced that he is voting for me. Was probably treated badly by president-like everybody else!
			
			
			
				Michael Moore says I win.
5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/5-reasons-why-trump-will-_b_11156794.html
			
			
			
				
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				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
...I tend to agree. Even if he comes closer than Romney or McCain, Trump will still lose because they have not figured out how to tap into the minority and Latino vote. The White population, which is the majority of their supporters, is shrinking relative to Latinos and everybody else. They've allowed the Democrats to own the race issue. And that is their biggest mistake. They could've framed the immigration issuen differently by saying legal immigrants good, illegal immigrants no good. But they decided to label all Mexicans and Hispanics as criminals and rapists, etc. Donald trump even slighted Cruz and Rubio for their Hispanic origins.
Wasn't long ago when Hispanics supported the Republicans. They voted Reagan in droves and he carried California and the entire West Coast. Reagan understood the importance of the Latino vote and he left those people alone. But his successors didn't. Secretay Bill Bennett warned his fellow Republicans to leave the race issue alone back in 1994. But no one listened to him, so the Latin voters deserted them and became Democrats and the GOP has not carried California or any of the other West coast states since.
The GOP has to get their heads out of their asses and start appealing to Latinos. Those people should be in the Republican camp because they're religious, mostly Catholic and conservative.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Herman"
I guess any woman can look that good if they have a bevy of servents to take care of them, a billion dollars in the bank, a personal make up artist, hairdresser, etc.
But the average American woman doesn't have such luxuries.
No wonder she still looks that good.
Her middle class counterparts are typically stressed and burnt out from worry, stress and overwork / 60 plus work weeks.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Herman"
Remember when he first introduced her in the primaries? He say look how beautiful she is. Even I'd do her. Classy guy.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Herman"
Remember when he first introduced her in the primaries? He say look how beautiful she is. Even I'd do her. Classy guy.
Yet, he is running neck and neck with Hillary. Americans do not seem to care about foot in mouth disease as much as they used to.
			 
			
			
				
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That will change after the Democrat convention.
			 
			
			
				Larry_Kudlow - 'Donald Trump Is the middle-class growth candidate'
			
			
			
				Crooked Hillary said loudly, and for the world to see, that she "SHORT CIRCUITED" when answering a question on her e-mails. Very dangerous!
			
			
			
				Anybody whose mind "SHORT CIRCUITS" is not fit to be our president! Look up the word "BRAINWASHED."
			
			
			
				Quote from: "The Donald"
You are doing everything to ensure you lose this election. :sneaky2:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "The Donald"
You are doing everything to ensure you lose this election. :sneaky2:
If anyone had any doubts Trump was only in this to hand the white house to Hillary along with the senate and house to the other party, they need to look at the way he did everything to reverse his lead in the polls.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "The Donald"
You are doing everything to ensure you lose this election. :sneaky2:
If anyone had any doubts Trump was only in this to hand the white house to Hillary along with the senate and house to the other party, they need to look at the way he did everything to reverse his lead in the polls.
I hoped Trump was different. He was actually in the race for average working Americans. He did this for himself and Hillary Clinton.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Meathead"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Herman"
Remember when he first introduced her in the primaries? He say look how beautiful she is. Even I'd do her. Classy guy.
Yet, he is running neck and neck with Hillary. Americans do not seem to care about foot in mouth disease as much as they used to.
Looks like a lot has changed. What a shit show.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Meathead"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Herman"
Remember when he first introduced her in the primaries? He say look how beautiful she is. Even I'd do her. Classy guy.
Yet, he is running neck and neck with Hillary. Americans do not seem to care about foot in mouth disease as much as they used to.
Looks like a lot has changed. What a shit show.
He is deliberately trying to lose, you can see that right TD? Hillary has used public office to advance her foundation. She would be unelectable if she had to face a real opponent like say John Kasich who could prosecute the case against her. Remember, Donald Trump has been a major donor to the Clinton Foundation.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "seoulbro"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Meathead"
Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Herman"
Remember when he first introduced her in the primaries? He say look how beautiful she is. Even I'd do her. Classy guy.
Yet, he is running neck and neck with Hillary. Americans do not seem to care about foot in mouth disease as much as they used to.
Looks like a lot has changed. What a shit show.
He is deliberately trying to lose, you can see that right TD? Hillary has used public office to advance her foundation. She would be unelectable if she had to face a real opponent like say John Kasich who could prosecute the case against her. Remember, Donald Trump has been a major donor to the Clinton Foundation.
True about Trumps donations. She seems as fouled up as he does. This is the biggest shit show on earth, for the most important position on earth. We need more choices for both candidates and political parties.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "seoulbro"
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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Herman"
Remember when he first introduced her in the primaries? He say look how beautiful she is. Even I'd do her. Classy guy.
Yet, he is running neck and neck with Hillary. Americans do not seem to care about foot in mouth disease as much as they used to.
Looks like a lot has changed. What a shit show.
He is deliberately trying to lose, you can see that right TD? Hillary has used public office to advance her foundation. She would be unelectable if she had to face a real opponent like say John Kasich who could prosecute the case against her. Remember, Donald Trump has been a major donor to the Clinton Foundation.
True about Trumps donations. She seems as fouled up as he does. This is the biggest shit show on earth, for the most important position on earth. We need more choices for both candidates and political parties.
This election is rotten to it's very core. Two fraudulent candidates and they are both on the same side.
			 
			
			
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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"
Quote from: "Herman"
Remember when he first introduced her in the primaries? He say look how beautiful she is. Even I'd do her. Classy guy.
Yet, he is running neck and neck with Hillary. Americans do not seem to care about foot in mouth disease as much as they used to.
Looks like a lot has changed. What a shit show.
He is deliberately trying to lose, you can see that right TD? Hillary has used public office to advance her foundation. She would be unelectable if she had to face a real opponent like say John Kasich who could prosecute the case against her. Remember, Donald Trump has been a major donor to the Clinton Foundation.
True about Trumps donations. She seems as fouled up as he does. This is the biggest shit show on earth, for the most important position on earth. We need more choices for both candidates and political parties.
This election is rotten to it's very core. Two fraudulent candidates and they are both on the same side.
Clinton's mandate will be legal, but still illegitimate. The GOP will get make sure they are not infiltrated again and get a real candidate in 2020 and Hillary will be a one term bad memory.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Do you work in the Stupid Factory?
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Gay Boy Roberto"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Do you work in the Stupid Factory?
Roberto, it's called making a mistake..
I am sure meant 
 :001_rolleyes:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Gay Boy Roberto"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Do you work in the Stupid Factory?
Roberto, it's called making a mistake..
I am sure meant 
 :001_rolleyes:
Thanks Fash. Obviously, I typed the wrong word. But, if anyone could not see that than we know who really works on the assembly line of the stupid factory. As I have said before, I usually type on the fly while I'm waiting in a siding or at a switch.
Back to my point. Now that some working class people are starting to wake up to the fact Trump is in this for Hillary and not for them, they may stay home on election day. They know a corrupt Wall Street stooge like Clinton and her billionaire GOP backers are the problem not the solution.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "Fashionista"
Quote from: "Gay Boy Roberto"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Do you work in the Stupid Factory?
Roberto, it's called making a mistake..
I am sure meant 
 :001_rolleyes:
Thanks Fash. Obviously, I typed the wrong word. But, if anyone could not see that than we know who really works on the assembly line of the stupid factory. As I have said before, I usually type on the fly while I'm waiting in a siding or at a switch.
Back to my point. Now that some working class people are starting to wake up to the fact Trump is in this for Hillary and not for them, they may stay home on election day. They know a corrupt Wall Street stooge like Clinton and her billionaire GOP backers are the problem not the solution.
This Roberto guy has to be a troll.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Meathead"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
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Quote from: "Gay Boy Roberto"
Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Do you work in the Stupid Factory?
Roberto, it's called making a mistake..
I am sure meant 
 :001_rolleyes:
Thanks Fash. Obviously, I typed the wrong word. But, if anyone could not see that than we know who really works on the assembly line of the stupid factory. As I have said before, I usually type on the fly while I'm waiting in a siding or at a switch.
Back to my point. Now that some working class people are starting to wake up to the fact Trump is in this for Hillary and not for them, they may stay home on election day. They know a corrupt Wall Street stooge like Clinton and her billionaire GOP backers are the problem not the solution.
This Roberto guy has to be a troll.
Well, duh. He's not even a good troll either. A true smarmy asshole who did not come to his "friend" RW's side when she was group bashed by the bipolar Serb twat and her trained asskissers.
			 
			
			
				His blue collar supporters must feel let down now that Trump has unofficially thrown in the towel.
			
			
			
				Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) has endorsed Donald Trump for president, a stunning reversal after Cruz for months refused to back the GOP presidential nominee.
"Our country is in crisis. Hillary Clinton is manifestly unfit to be president, and her policies would harm millions of Americans. And Donald Trump is the only thing standing in her way," Cruz wrote in a Facebook post.
"A year ago, I pledged to endorse the Republican nominee, and I am honoring that commitment. And if you don't want to see a Hillary Clinton presidency, I encourage you to vote for him."
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/cruz-endorses-trump/ar-BBwyitx?li=AAggNb9&ocid=UE12DHP
			
			
			
				No Enthusiaism for Clinton
Gallup: Democrats who 'will definitely vote' at 16-year low
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gallu ... le/2602965
I happen to live in an area that is quite liberal (luckily they haven't ruined it yet)
In years past there were Obama signs, Kerry signs, Gore signs. This year almost nothing. There is no enthusiasm for Hillary whatsoever that I can see.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Yeah Right"
Gallup: Democrats who 'will definitely vote' at 16-year low
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gallu ... le/2602965
I happen to live in an area that is quite liberal (luckily they haven't ruined it yet)
In years past there were Obama signs, Kerry signs, Gore signs. This year almost nothing. There is no enthusiasm for Hillary whatsoever that I can see.
That doesn't surprise me. She doesn't energize the base.
			 
			
			
				This go round is vastly different than any before it
Because of both enthusiasm and lack of enthusiasm, and some other new factors we may well see very different results between day before polls and the final election day result
			
			
			
				Quote from: "Daisy May"
Because of both enthusiasm and lack of enthusiasm, and some other new factors we may well see very different results between day before polls and the final election day result
I don't care at all who wins the American election, I can't wait until it's over.
			 
			
			
				I urge all Americans to get out and vote GOP tomorrow. Let's stop the corrupt Clinton machine in it's tracks and make America great again.
			
			
			
				I have had a productive first few days on the job. I met with auto executives and labor leaders yesterday to discuss an American jobs strategy.
			
			
			
				Quote from: "The Donald"
Everybody at my union hall likes the direction your administration is taking right out of the gate. Keep it up Mr. President. :thumbup:
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
Quote from: "The Donald"
Everybody at my union hall likes the direction your administration is taking right out of the gate. Keep it up Mr. President. :thumbup:
I am overseeing workovers right now. A young service rig toolpush I was talking with is pretty excited and hoping the populist wave catches on here too.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "The Donald"
Can you please ignore what the media is saying and stop reacting to everything they say? I would really love it if you would just ignore them all. Also, can you please stop insisting on voter fraud. Just leave that alone and don't mention the inauguration crowd numbers again. You've got better things to attend to now.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Quote from: "The Donald"
Can you please ignore what the media is saying and stop reacting to everything they say? I would really love it if you would just ignore them all. Also, can you please stop insisting on voter fraud. Just leave that alone and don't mention the inauguration crowd numbers again. You've got better things to attend to now.
Amen to that AA.
			 
			
			
				Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Quote from: "The Donald"
Can you please ignore what the media is saying and stop reacting to everything they say? I would really love it if you would just ignore them all. Also, can you please stop insisting on voter fraud. Just leave that alone and don't mention the inauguration crowd numbers again. You've got better things to attend to now.
If he could stop the back and forth theatre with the mainstream media, he could be an effective leader. That shit is such a distraction.