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Rob Pincus, who owns the popular firearm instruction company I.C.E. Training, paced across a conference room stage as he repeatedly warned against the threat of violent home invasions. After establishing that filling one's home with weapons is the only solution, he then recommended that gun owners store firearms in their kids' rooms for easy access.
"Why would you consider staging a firearm inside a child's room?" he told the few hundred NRA members in attendance. "It's the first place I'm going to go! As I've said...many times, if your kid is going to break into the safe just because it's in their room, you have a parenting issue, not a home defense issue."
//http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/05/31/3782497/nra-kids-shooting/
A gun safe??? What's the point if you have to get the key, open the safe and load the ammo? Does he think the home invaders are just going to wait?
No, the firearm would have to be easily accessible, armed and ready to fire. Obviously.
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Rob Pincus, who owns the popular firearm instruction company I.C.E. Training, paced across a conference room stage as he repeatedly warned against the threat of violent home invasions. After establishing that filling one's home with weapons is the only solution, he then recommended that gun owners store firearms in their kids' rooms for easy access.
"Why would you consider staging a firearm inside a child's room?" he told the few hundred NRA members in attendance. "It's the first place I'm going to go! As I've said...many times, if your kid is going to break into the safe just because it's in their room, you have a parenting issue, not a home defense issue."
//http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/05/31/3782497/nra-kids-shooting/
A gun safe??? What's the point if you have to get the key, open the safe and load the ammo? Does he think the home invaders are just going to wait?
No, the firearm would have to be easily accessible, armed and ready to fire. Obviously.
Are said guns not loaded in these safes? Most use combinations, not keys.
I just can't imagine living in a place that requires a firearm as "the ONLY solution" for safety in my home.
Why doe anyone care what he said? ac_dunno
It's a comment piece.
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I understand that.
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Rob Pincus, who owns the popular firearm instruction company I.C.E. Training, paced across a conference room stage as he repeatedly warned against the threat of violent home invasions. After establishing that filling one's home with weapons is the only solution, he then recommended that gun owners store firearms in their kids' rooms for easy access.
"Why would you consider staging a firearm inside a child's room?" he told the few hundred NRA members in attendance. "It's the first place I'm going to go! As I've said...many times, if your kid is going to break into the safe just because it's in their room, you have a parenting issue, not a home defense issue."
//http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/05/31/3782497/nra-kids-shooting/
A gun safe??? What's the point if you have to get the key, open the safe and load the ammo? Does he think the home invaders are just going to wait?
No, the firearm would have to be easily accessible, armed and ready to fire. Obviously.
Ah yes "think progress" the progressive's clueless Bible.
Let's look at the real figures and not the far left propaganda that Rohammad loves to puke up.
"An estimated 3.7 million household burglaries occurred each year on average from 2003 to 2007. In about 28% of these burglaries, a household member was present during the burglary. In 7% of all household burglaries, a household member experienced some form of violent victimization"
//http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt
So let's look at the numbers 28% of 3.7 MIL= 1,036,000
7% of that 28% = 72,520.
So much for the smoke and mirrors assertion from thinkproggy that claims violent home invasions are nothing to be concerned about.
So I guess to the idiots at think progress (a contradiction in terms of there ever was one)....72 thousand victims a year of violent home invasions are somehow less important than their far left agenda. That's what this hatchet job boils down to.
There are so many erroneous statements in that article that it if it wasn't so gut churningly ignorant, I would be on the floor laughing.
I'd like to know who the clueless fools running the event were who let the vile creatures from "thinkproggy" through the door. I assure you if it were me...thinkprogs wouldn't even be welcome in the parking lot.
Now as for Rob Pincus...he's an idiot and an extremist and he has been marketing himself as a firearms and tactical expert for years. He has been hawking his courses like an "as seen on TV" hussler to the point of annoyance. Well he's a fool. I didn't think anyone even listened to his harebrained bullshit anymore. I guess PT Barnum was right about suckers and their birth rate.
As to your own vacuous musings about gun safes and the accessibility of a firearm in the case of an emergency.....ever hear of a bio-lock? A hard mounted safe with a bio-lock that only responds to the gun owners finger prints, is safe to place in any room and it also makes the firearm instantly available if needed.
This is a case of the clueless leading the clueless and it's no surprise to find Romero following right along like a good little proggy. Let's all pat him on the head and give him a participation trophy for the effort.
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//http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt
So let's look at the numbers 28% of 3.7 MIL= 1,036,000
7% of that 28% = 72,520.
So much for the smoke and mirrors assertion from thinkproggy that claims violent home invasions are nothing to be concerned about.
Those are
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necessarily include intent on the part of the offender.
Situations reported by the media as home invasion include--
*An offender forcibly enters a home to rob the household of
specific items, including cash, drugs, or other items--
specific households or residents may become a target either to
"settle a score" or because residents are perceived as
vulnerable, such as persons with disabilities and the elderly.
So, home invasions are more like 1%. Why would you believe they were so much more common? A home invasion involves much more risk to the home invaders than the average household burglary.
ThinkProgress never claimed violent home invasions are nothing to be concerned about. Liar!
Now that you're done deflecting, do you think it's a good idea to store firearms in children's bedrooms?
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//http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt
So let's look at the numbers 28% of 3.7 MIL= 1,036,000
7% of that 28% = 72,520.
So much for the smoke and mirrors assertion from thinkproggy that claims violent home invasions are nothing to be concerned about.
Those are
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necessarily include intent on the part of the offender.
Situations reported by the media as home invasion include--
*An offender forcibly enters a home to rob the household of
specific items, including cash, drugs, or other items--
specific households or residents may become a target either to
"settle a score" or because residents are perceived as
vulnerable, such as persons with disabilities and the elderly.
So, home invasions are more like 1%. Why would you believe they were so much more common? A home invasion involves much more risk to the home invaders than the average household burglary.
ThinkProgress never claimed violent home invasions are nothing to be concerned about. Liar!
Now that you're done deflecting, do you think it's a good idea to store firearms in children's bedrooms?
Can you read????? Apparently not. :laugh3:
What part of "3.7 million HOUSEHOLD burglaries", 28% while a resident is in the home, 7% violent victimization.....translated into actual numbers....don't you fucking get?
I knew the math would confuse you. It's my own fault. :oeudC:
You do understand that a home burglary is the same thing as a home invasion, right?????
Or are you just being purposely deceptive, as usual?
These are numbers from the US Justice Bureau not some left wing political special interest. I'm sorry if they run afoul of your dribbling, leftard agenda but that's too fucking bad.
A home burglary is not the same as a home invasion, according to your own link.
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"settle a score" or because
vulnerable, such as persons with disabilities and the elderly.
If they're the same thing, why are they called two separate terms?
What makes that twit-twat resort to the "L"(iar) word so often? Others don't do that
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At present, is there a discernable distinction?
I do want to clear this up having taken criminology and all that:
A burglary is breaking into a home with the intent to steal contents within the home.
A home invasion is breaking into a home with the intent to commit a crime, usually violent, against the occupants.
The majority of break and enter crimes are with the intent to steal and are generally done when the occupants are not home.
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I agree, but thinkbullshit is not ignorant. They don't tell the whole story and they count on the likes of Rohammad and Peaches to try and sell it as the word of God.
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I agree, but thinkbullshit is not ignorant. They don't tell the whole story and they count on the likes of Rohammad and Peaches to try and sell it as the word of God.
NO media tells the full story Herman. Not one.
The Gun Debate for home safety...
Now, Canadian case law has dictated that I can sleep with a loaded weapon under my pillow. Yes, it is true. I'm sure some will argue the legalities of this, but trust me to have studied case law for many hours before you do so. Of course, this is in my scenario, where there are no children present in the home, and the theft of said firearm is low from any invited adult guests.
Now, MY case is unique, as is everyone else's... Where do you live? Is it a high crime area? DO you have children in the home? DO you have a lot of guests that could have access to said firearms?
A loaded firearm in my house poses very little threat to anyone other than me. The real issue is, time and time again, is firearms that are taken by people that aren't the rightful owner.
Now, on to the second point... A firearm for home protection/invasion purposes generally is of little use to the homeowner in most cases... Home invasion/burglary type invasions happen fast, in seconds. If the firearm isn't within reach and loaded at the exact time, it is likely it'll do you no good.
So, what I prefer to do, to satisfy my personal protection, as well as not having loaded guns all over the place, is I have dog/bear/mace spray sitting on my nightstand. This is more effective than you may think, as a blinded intruder is yours to deal with. It's fast, and doesn't need loading. Just point and spray.
The best part is, shooting someone in any country, regardless of how "gun happy" the State is, will nonetheless lead to expensive legal repercussions for trials and whatnot. That is why I will utilize spray. A lot less to explain, should I need to incapacitate someone.
Now, again, everyone is different, and lives in different places, but one must weight the pros and cons of keeping loaded firearms handy (unloaded firearms rarely can be loaded in time during a night time home invasion), or keeping another suitable deterrent within reach.
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Now, Canadian case law has dictated that I can sleep with a loaded weapon under my pillow. Yes, it is true. I'm sure some will argue the legalities of this, but trust me to have studied case law for many hours before you do so. Of course, this is in my scenario, where there are no children present in the home, and the theft of said firearm is low from any invited adult guests.
Now, MY case is unique, as is everyone else's... Where do you live? Is it a high crime area? DO you have children in the home? DO you have a lot of guests that could have access to said firearms?
A loaded firearm in my house poses very little threat to anyone other than me. The real issue is, time and time again, is firearms that are taken by people that aren't the rightful owner.
Now, on to the second point... A firearm for home protection/invasion purposes generally is of little use to the homeowner in most cases... Home invasion/burglary type invasions happen fast, in seconds. If the firearm isn't within reach and loaded at the exact time, it is likely it'll do you no good.
So, what I prefer to do, to satisfy my personal protection, as well as not having loaded guns all over the place, is I have dog/bear/mace spray sitting on my nightstand. This is more effective than you may think, as a blinded intruder is yours to deal with. It's fast, and doesn't need loading. Just point and spray.
The best part is, shooting someone in any country, regardless of how "gun happy" the State is, will nonetheless lead to expensive legal repercussions for trials and whatnot. That is why I will utilize spray. A lot less to explain, should I need to incapacitate someone.
Now, again, everyone is different, and lives in different places, but one must weight the pros and cons of keeping loaded firearms handy (unloaded firearms rarely can be loaded in time during a night time home invasion), or keeping another suitable deterrent within reach.
Since you live alone you are allowed to keep a loaded handgun under your pillow?
:shock:
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Now, Canadian case law has dictated that I can sleep with a loaded weapon under my pillow. Yes, it is true. I'm sure some will argue the legalities of this, but trust me to have studied case law for many hours before you do so. Of course, this is in my scenario, where there are no children present in the home, and the theft of said firearm is low from any invited adult guests.
Now, MY case is unique, as is everyone else's... Where do you live? Is it a high crime area? DO you have children in the home? DO you have a lot of guests that could have access to said firearms?
A loaded firearm in my house poses very little threat to anyone other than me. The real issue is, time and time again, is firearms that are taken by people that aren't the rightful owner.
Now, on to the second point... A firearm for home protection/invasion purposes generally is of little use to the homeowner in most cases... Home invasion/burglary type invasions happen fast, in seconds. If the firearm isn't within reach and loaded at the exact time, it is likely it'll do you no good.
So, what I prefer to do, to satisfy my personal protection, as well as not having loaded guns all over the place, is I have dog/bear/mace spray sitting on my nightstand. This is more effective than you may think, as a blinded intruder is yours to deal with. It's fast, and doesn't need loading. Just point and spray.
The best part is, shooting someone in any country, regardless of how "gun happy" the State is, will nonetheless lead to expensive legal repercussions for trials and whatnot. That is why I will utilize spray. A lot less to explain, should I need to incapacitate someone.
Now, again, everyone is different, and lives in different places, but one must weight the pros and cons of keeping loaded firearms handy (unloaded firearms rarely can be loaded in time during a night time home invasion), or keeping another suitable deterrent within reach.
Since you live alone you are allowed to keep a loaded handgun under your pillow?
:shock:
No matter how you look at it; keeping an unsecured loaded gun anywhere in your home is a bad move; especially under a pillow or anywhere in bed with you. The chances of an unintentional discharge are too high to even consider it a viable option..........
ac_umm Although in Mel's case......it's probably no big deal because an unintentional discharge is probably a common occurrence. ac_biggrin
^^ ac_lmfao
Mel has trouble with legal facts.
You CANNOT legally store a loaded weapon in your home in Canada.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-1.html#h-3
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You CANNOT legally store a loaded weapon in your home in Canada.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-1.html#h-3
I found it hard to believe there was an exemption for people who live alone.
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You CANNOT legally store a loaded weapon in your home in Canada.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-1.html#h-3
I found it hard to believe there was an exemption for people who live alone.
There isn't. In Canada, you can't store or transport a firearm that is loaded. Legally anyway.
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You CANNOT legally store a loaded weapon in your home in Canada.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-1.html#h-3
I found it hard to believe there was an exemption for people who live alone.
There isn't. In Canada, you can't store or transport a firearm that is loaded. Legally anyway.
Oh for sure. You don't need a possession and acquisition license to know that.
There's also no case law stating otherwise that I have ever seen.
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should click the link before asking a question.
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You CANNOT legally store a loaded weapon in your home in Canada.
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-209/page-1.html#h-3
Case law has proven otherwise.
There was a gentlemen who lived alone, and when police executed a search warrant (for whatever reason they did), they found a loaded pistol under his mattress.
Of course, the cops did try to charge him with a firearms offense, but the Judge tossed that charge out, stating that considering the man lived alone and had very few guests, the purpose of the safe storage laws didn't really apply to his situation.
You see, this is where book law and case law are quite often two very different things...
Link me the case.
Oh Christ, I'll have to see if I can find it!
I'll give you a personal example of case law... A few years ago I was charged with careless use of a firearm, since I decided to fire off a few rounds at a local gravel pit. I should have known better, but it was a good idea at the time.
Anyhow, someone in there called the cops. Holy shit, I think every cop from three different cities converged on me all at once! I was public enemy number one there for a brief moment.
I was arrested and charged. When it came to court date, the Crown wouldn't even proceed with the trial. It was stayed before it even went before the Judge. Why? Even though it may have been careless by book law, there was no way it could be proven as a careless act, and it was stayed.
This is the difference...
It'll take me some sifting to find the particular ruling I mentioned, but here's something:
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What you think is the law, and what really is the law, are two quite separate things...
And this is why I mentioned the loaded pistol under the mattress case... I still cannot find it, but the Judge had ruled that (essentially) firearms storage laws were created not for the safety of the
Now, since this guy could show that he was single, essentially a recluse with no visitors, the reason the storage laws are in place in the first place, didn't apply to him. Case dismissed.
This is how case law works... What you see in the Criminal Code of Canada is basically a loose interpretation of what should happen... Case law is different, and that's what actually happens...
With that being said, I personally keep my firearms stored and secured as per requirements...
I know the stats... I know how unrealistic a firearm can be if used for self defense in a night time home invasion scenario, especially when one is sleeping...
You'd literally have to have a loaded pistol within arms reach, to make this scenario work.
For this reason, I do not bother... OC spray is what sits in my drawer, and that's within arms reach.
I also don't want to deal with the legal fees if I kill someone. Spray 'em in the eyes, and then boot fuck 'em, is a lot cheaper to deal with in the courts of law!
But the police could still charge you if they were in your apartment and saw your guns loaded?
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And this is why I mentioned the loaded pistol under the mattress case... I still cannot find it, but the Judge had ruled that (essentially) firearms storage laws were created not for the safety of the
Now, since this guy could show that he was single, essentially a recluse with no visitors, the reason the storage laws are in place in the first place, didn't apply to him. Case dismissed.
This is how case law works... What you see in the Criminal Code of Canada is basically a loose interpretation of what should happen... Case law is different, and that's what actually happens...
I pasted the firearms act, not the CCC. It is illegal to store loaded weapons in your home. That hasn't changed.
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Yes... A loaded gun in a place where you cannot legally shoot could very well lead to a charge. As stated though, being charged, and being convicted in the courts, are two different things.
Now, the only way around this, I suppose, was if you truly believed you (or your family) were at risk of grievous bodily harm or death. In this case, self defense would trump these laws...
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Most loaded weapons are often illegal or stolen and are found in raids on the houses of known gangsters.
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Yes... A loaded gun in a place where you cannot legally shoot could very well lead to a charge. As stated though, being charged, and being convicted in the courts, are two different things.
Now, the only way around this, I suppose, was if you truly believed you (or your family) were at risk of grievous bodily harm or death. In this case, self defense would trump these laws...
WRONG.
Now there is case law on that.
I'm not wrong, RW.
Every case is different.
And yes, in Canada you can use a firearm to defend yourself, should you believe you are at risk of grievous bodily harm or death. In fact, you can use anything to defend yourself.
Bona-fide self defense measures will trump any other laws. And THAT has been proven in the courts of law.
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Yes... A loaded gun in a place where you cannot legally shoot could very well lead to a charge. As stated though, being charged, and being convicted in the courts, are two different things.
Now, the only way around this, I suppose, was
An intruder came into your home or death threats?
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Yes. Under Canadian Law, and Case Law also, you could use whatever you have at hand, to protect yourself, and your family, from grievous bodily harm or death...
I have studied this section for hours upon hours, over many years...
Here in Canada, we don't quite have the same "property" rights, as do our neighbors to the South...
We cannot defend our "property"...
What we can do, however, is defend our "dwelling home," with as