Title: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: JOE on June 05, 2016, 08:19:08 PM
Post by: JOE on June 05, 2016, 08:19:08 PM
What do you think? Compared with others you have seen or read about, was Ali the Greatest? Or were there others even better than him?
Discuss.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 05, 2016, 08:45:15 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 05, 2016, 08:45:15 PM
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: JOE on June 05, 2016, 09:40:45 PM
Post by: JOE on June 05, 2016, 09:40:45 PM
Of course not.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Well, who then would you describe as a better HEAVYWEIGHT boxer from any decade or century who is or was better than Muhammed Ali?
There's No right or wrong answer, but just wanted you to be more specific, that's all.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: JOE on June 05, 2016, 10:03:54 PM
Post by: JOE on June 05, 2016, 10:03:54 PM
Ali's claim to being the greatest seems somewhat dubious at best.
Just my three pence
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: Anonymous on June 05, 2016, 10:48:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 05, 2016, 10:48:46 PM
Of course not.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Who was in your opinion?
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2016, 08:13:19 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2016, 08:13:19 AM
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: JOE on June 06, 2016, 04:26:19 PM
Post by: JOE on June 06, 2016, 04:26:19 PM
Muhammad Ali is the most famous heavyweight boxer of all time.Quote from: "Fashionista"
One fighter whom many thought was as good as Ali was Cuban Teofilo Stevenson. But because he was part of the Communist Bloc, the two never had a chance to meet as fighters in the ring. But he did capture 3 Olympic gold medals. As Cassius Clay, Ali also won the gold medal in 1960:
Stevenson had a punch so lethal, that he could knock a man down with a single blow. The speed of Ali, the power of George Foreman, Stevenson would've been a difficult opponent to defeat.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 06, 2016, 09:14:30 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 06, 2016, 09:14:30 PM
I don't enjoy boxing and watch two people punch each other until they have battered faces and eyes too swollen they are shut. Dreadful. However, I followed Pacquiao because he was making my fellowmen and women proud when he was defeating his opponents abroad.
I vaguely recall Muhammad Ali but remember the time he got my Dad excited during his fight in the Philippines which was called "The Thrilla in Manila." I never followed him though and was not a fan really but I respected the fact he made a change from Cassius Marcellus Clay (named after the abolitionist with the very same name) to Muhammad Ali. I never understood it at the time but thought the man was entitled to pursue his heart's desire.
May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2016, 09:48:59 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2016, 09:48:59 PM
Why of course it would be Manny Pacquiao for me.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://www.etravelpilipinas.com/philippine_news/images/Manny-Pacquiao-Knocked-Out-Ricky-Hatton.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://www.etravelpilipinas.com/philipp%20...%20Hatton.jpg%22%3Ehttp://www.etravelpilipinas.com/philippine_news/images/Manny-Pacquiao-Knocked-Out-Ricky-Hatton.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
I don't enjoy boxing and watch two people punch each other until they have battered faces and eyes too swollen they are shut. Dreadful. However, I followed Pacquiao because he was making my fellowmen and women proud when he was defeating his opponents abroad.
I vaguely recall Muhammad Ali but remember the time he got my Dad excited during his fight in the Philippines which was called "The Thrilla in Manila." I never followed him though and was not a fan really but I respected the fact he made a change from Cassius Marcellus Clay (named after the abolitionist with the very same name) to Muhammad Ali. I never understood it at the time but thought the man was entitled to pursue his heart's desire.
May he rest in peace.
Manny Pacquiao is not a heavyweight though.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 06, 2016, 09:51:36 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 06, 2016, 09:51:36 PM
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: JOE on June 06, 2016, 10:05:49 PM
Post by: JOE on June 06, 2016, 10:05:49 PM
However, in his last fight with American Floyd Mayweather, I felt that the judging was heavilly biased against Pacquiao in favor of the hometown boy. The result should have declared invalid because Mayweather constantly avoided his opponent by running away from him. Mayweather copied Ali's movies by trying to replicate his footwork and dancing moves. But one thing Ali never did, was actually run away from his opponents. When it came down to slugging it out, at least Ali would engage them.
Mayweather's performance was an exhibition in cowardice. And its demonstrated why the rules of boxing need a drastic overhaul. How about limiting a boxer's 'step back' to just one step. Enough to get away from/dodge the opponent but not to run away. -1 point for every extra step taken back. Call it 'running' like they call 'travelling' in basketball for too many steps taken while holding the ball. I watched fight and noticed that Mayweather took as many as 4 quick steps to avoid Pacquiao's punches. He didn't 'dance'. He ran away from him. What a joke.
If that fight was judged solely on pure boxing skills, Pacquiao should've won. Btw, I'm no fan of his, never really liked him much, however as a detached unbiased observer, thought that fight was a sham. Mayweather is a disgrace to professional boxing and if the promoters really wanna save the sport, they should change the rules so it would force the boxers to box, rather than run away from their opponents.
Why of course it would be Manny Pacquiao for me.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://www.etravelpilipinas.com/philippine_news/images/Manny-Pacquiao-Knocked-Out-Ricky-Hatton.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://www.etravelpilipinas.com/philipp%20...%20Hatton.jpg%22%3Ehttp://www.etravelpilipinas.com/philippine_news/images/Manny-Pacquiao-Knocked-Out-Ricky-Hatton.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
I don't enjoy boxing and watch two people punch each other until they have battered faces and eyes too swollen they are shut. Dreadful. However, I followed Pacquiao because he was making my fellowmen and women proud when he was defeating his opponents abroad.
I vaguely recall Muhammad Ali but remember the time he got my Dad excited during his fight in the Philippines which was called "The Thrilla in Manila." I never followed him though and was not a fan really but I respected the fact he made a change from Cassius Marcellus Clay (named after the abolitionist with the very same name) to Muhammad Ali. I never understood it at the time but thought the man was entitled to pursue his heart's desire.
May he rest in peace.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 06, 2016, 10:17:06 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 06, 2016, 10:17:06 PM
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: JOE on June 06, 2016, 10:22:09 PM
Post by: JOE on June 06, 2016, 10:22:09 PM
I don't care. To me they are all just boxers.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Pacquiao should've won the last fight, and at one point was pummelling the American Mayweather into the ropes. But mayweather successfully deployed his 'run/duck/hide' method, and the homeboys gave the decesion to him.
I remember those other great boxers in Pacquaio's weight class. Roberto Duran and Sugar Ray Leonard. They would've whupped Mayweathers ass and put 'em in his place as the great big phony he really is.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 06, 2016, 10:24:32 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 06, 2016, 10:24:32 PM
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: JOE on June 06, 2016, 10:49:01 PM
Post by: JOE on June 06, 2016, 10:49:01 PM
I agree with that. He's phony and anyone who saw that match knew who really won.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
In this video compilation, Mayweather appears to run 3 or 4 steps away to avoid Pacquaio's jabs:
In addition, Mayweather constantly makes use of 'clutch and grab' techniques which prevented Pacquaio from positioning himself to land a punch.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2016, 10:59:04 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 06, 2016, 10:59:04 PM
I agree with that. He's phony and anyone who saw that match knew who really won.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
In this video compilation, Mayweather appears to run 3 or 4 steps away to avoid Pacquaio's jabs:
In addition, Mayweather constantly makes use of 'clutch and grab' techniques which prevented Pacquaio from positioning himself to land a punch.
I hate that style that Mayweather uses.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2016, 07:35:02 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 07, 2016, 07:35:02 AM
Why of course it would be Manny Pacquiao for me.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://www.etravelpilipinas.com/philippine_news/images/Manny-Pacquiao-Knocked-Out-Ricky-Hatton.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://www.etravelpilipinas.com/philipp%20...%20Hatton.jpg%22%3Ehttp://www.etravelpilipinas.com/philippine_news/images/Manny-Pacquiao-Knocked-Out-Ricky-Hatton.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
I don't enjoy boxing and watch two people punch each other until they have battered faces and eyes too swollen they are shut. Dreadful. However, I followed Pacquiao because he was making my fellowmen and women proud when he was defeating his opponents abroad.
I vaguely recall Muhammad Ali but remember the time he got my Dad excited during his fight in the Philippines which was called "The Thrilla in Manila." I never followed him though and was not a fan really but I respected the fact he made a change from Cassius Marcellus Clay (named after the abolitionist with the very same name) to Muhammad Ali. I never understood it at the time but thought the man was entitled to pursue his heart's desire.
May he rest in peace.
Isn't he a senator now in the Philippines.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 09, 2016, 08:19:13 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 09, 2016, 08:19:13 PM
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2016, 08:23:32 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2016, 08:23:32 PM
Yes, Fash. He is.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"
Just like the US, celebrities becoming politicians.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 09, 2016, 09:11:07 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 09, 2016, 09:11:07 PM
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: cc on June 09, 2016, 09:27:20 PM
Post by: cc on June 09, 2016, 09:27:20 PM
While there was an Asian stock market crash along with generally poor economies, with his quite socialist policies added things really went south very fast .. so bad and people so needy that we did not feel safe on streets we previously strolled nightly. At that point we were in Angeles, generally a safe area for paleskins.
I think he ended up in jail after we left. Asia would better know the story as we had left just before the shit really hit the fan
We felt sad as we had seen it and its great people in comparatively good times
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2016, 09:53:05 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2016, 09:53:05 PM
When we first went to live in the Fils, Ramos was pres. From our selfish perspective, the country was quite safe for us for 3 years or so. Then a b grade actor ran and won. Things went downhill fastQuote from: "cc la femme"
While there was an Asian stock market crash along with generally poor economies, with his quite socialist policies added things really went south very fast .. so bad and people so needy that we did not feel safe on streets we previously strolled nightly. At that point we were in Angeles, generally a safe area for paleskins.
I think he ended up in jail after we left. Asia would better know the story as we had left just before the shit really hit the fan
We felt sad as we had seen it and its great people in comparatively good times
The problem is that the Philippines is so dependent on foreign remittances.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 09, 2016, 09:53:58 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 09, 2016, 09:53:58 PM
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2016, 09:56:02 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2016, 09:56:02 PM
Yes, cc, that was Joseph Estrada. Some actor I never liked. Ramos was in the military too, General Fidel Ramos. I liked him. We were baptized in the same faith.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"ac_biggrin
They had an election last month. I forget the guys name who won.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 09, 2016, 10:02:36 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 09, 2016, 10:02:36 PM
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2016, 10:08:19 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 09, 2016, 10:08:19 PM
Rodrigo Duterte or Rudy Duterte. He's from my hometown.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola":thumbup:
Kewl!! Do you know anything about his policies?
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 10, 2016, 07:09:26 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 10, 2016, 07:09:26 PM
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 10, 2016, 07:10:27 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 10, 2016, 07:10:27 PM
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 10, 2016, 09:20:54 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 10, 2016, 09:20:54 PM
Muhammad Ali is the most famous heavyweight boxer of all time.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Okay, I suppose you are right. He had that reputation but still I was not following him so I don't know much about him.
Title: Re: Was Muhammed Ali actually the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of All Time?
Post by: Anonymous on June 11, 2016, 12:20:46 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 11, 2016, 12:20:46 PM
Muhammad Ali is the most famous heavyweight boxer of all time.Quote from: "Fashionista"
Okay, I suppose you are right. He had that reputation but still I was not following him so I don't know much about him.
I don't know anything about boxing either.