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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"President Obama is going to speak about this mass slaughter. Something tells me he will tip toe around using the word Islam. He will likely blame gun control instead of radical Islam.

Quote from: "JOE"I have little doubt that radical Islam played a role in inciting the gun shooter Mateen to mow down his victims.

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "JOE"I have little doubt that radical Islam played a role in inciting the gun shooter Mateen to mow down his victims.

Only played a role?? :roll:

Quote from: "cc la femme"LOL .. .in Seattle an Islamic used fire in trying to kill 100s of gays in a packed niteclub



Damned fire



We MUST get fire off the streets

Quote from: "cc la femme"that too



and fertilizer .. and knives .. and machetes .. .and strong hands .. and  ......... all the Joes who shill for allah

Quote from: "cc la femme"yes yes yes  .. .I'm preparing the placards as we speak



Note: Joe has a special hate on for the US, always has



and will use ANY opportunity  .. obviously including even mass slaughter of gays by islam ... to dun the US

Quote from: "cc la femme"yes yes yes



Note: Joe has a special hate on for the US, always has



and will use ANY opportunity  .. obviously including even mass slaughter by islam ... to dun the US

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "cc la femme"yes yes yes  .. .I'm preparing the placards as we speak



Note: Joe has a special hate on for the US, always has



and will use ANY opportunity  .. obviously including even mass slaughter of gays by islam ... to dun the US

I thought Joe did not like gays?

 :confused1:

Quote from: "cc la femme"You are making excuses for a mass murderer .... and slimy enough to use this for your purposes



Well done Joe!!

QuoteYou are making excuses for a mass murderer .... and slimy enough to use this for your purposes



Well done Joe!!

QuoteNo I'm not

Quote from: "cc la femme"True - Except for his hot US hate, his stuff is all troll stuff

Quote from: "cc la femme"Anyhow - turns out this killer-for-allah worked for a security company with access to heavy guns and to people to assassinate



That's how stupid and oblivious to reality Westerners are



(won't bother with links - it's all over the news now)

Quote from: "cc la femme"Anyhow - turns out this killer-for-allah worked for a security company with access to heavy guns and to people to assassinate



That's how stupid and oblivious to reality Westerners are



(won't bother with links - it's all over the news now)

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "cc la femme"Anyhow - turns out this killer-for-allah worked for a security company with access to heavy guns and to people to assassinate



That's how stupid and oblivious to reality Westerners are



(won't bother with links - it's all over the news now)

On a terror watch list and working at a security company. Like the pedophile that was caught at a Wes Ed mall washroom filming a little boy peeing. He's a child psychologist ffs!!

Quote from: "JOE"

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "cc la femme"Anyhow - turns out this killer-for-allah worked for a security company with access to heavy guns and to people to assassinate



That's how stupid and oblivious to reality Westerners are



(won't bother with links - it's all over the news now)

On a terror watch list and working at a security company. Like the pedophile that was caught at a West Ed mall washroom filming a little boy peeing. He's a child psychologist ffs!!

Well, that precisely why the USA needs stiff penalties for the possession of assault weapons. Possession or accessing one should net the owner 15 years in a maximum security prison. Should be treated like a crime akin to pedophilia or trafficking heroin.

Quote from: "JOE"


Well, that precisely why the USA needs stiff penalties for the possession of Qurans. Illegal Possession or accessing one should net the owner 15 years in a maximum security prison. Should be treated like a crime akin to pedophilia or trafficking heroin. Canada should toughen up its laws so something like that can never happen here.

QuoteWhat good would that do if someone is prepared to die for their cause?

Quote from: "cc la femme"

QuoteWhat good would that do if someone is prepared to die for their cause?

nothing,



but Joe is trying to make it about the US and about guns



The thing that concerns me now is why did they wait 3 hrs to go in when the twat called police before starting and said he was acting for ISIS?



Like WTF?

Quote from: "cc la femme"

QuoteWhat good would that do if someone is prepared to die for their cause?

nothing,



but Joe is trying to make it about the US and about guns



The thing that concerns me now is why did they wait 3 hrs in "hostage situation mode" to go in when the twat called police before starting and said he was acting for ISIS?



Like WTF?

Quote from: "cc la femme"

QuoteWhat good would that do if someone is prepared to die for their cause?

nothing,



but Joe is trying to make it about the US and about guns



The thing that concerns me now is why did they wait 3 hrs in "hostage situation mode" to go in when the twat called police before starting and said he was acting for ISIS?



Like WTF?

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "JOE"

Quote from: "Shen Li"

Quote from: "cc la femme"Anyhow - turns out this killer-for-allah worked for a security company with access to heavy guns and to people to assassinate



That's how stupid and oblivious to reality Westerners are



(won't bother with links - it's all over the news now)

On a terror watch list and working at a security company. Like the pedophile that was caught at a West Ed mall washroom filming a little boy peeing. He's a child psychologist ffs!!

Well, that precisely why the USA needs stiff penalties for the possession of assault weapons. Possession or accessing one should net the owner 15 years in a maximum security prison. Should be treated like a crime akin to pedophilia or trafficking heroin.

What good would that do if someone is prepared to die for their cause?

Quote from: "Shen Li"Did the 9/11 hijackers use guns?  Did the Boston bombers use guns? Did the attempted arsonist in Seattle use guns? Did the Islamist who ran down a soldier use guns? Did the London tube bombers use guns? At the Diyarbakır rally bombings in Turkey were guns used? How about the Ankara bombings, were guns used?



Nobody is saying that violent crime will disappear if we didn't have an Islamic problem in the West. However, we have an ideology that demands our death and we keep treating the symptoms instead of the disease itself.

Quote from: "cc la femme"Worst mass shooting in U.S. history (//http)



Suspected Islamic extremist opened fire inside Pulse gay club in Orlando in the early hours of this morning



Law enforcement sources have identified the shooter as US citizen Omar Mateen, from Port St. Lucie in Florida



He killed at least 50 people and injured 53 and took party-goers hostage before being killed by police



Shooter, 29, was carrying a suspicious device, possibly a suicide vest, when he began shooting in the nightclub



Police used an explosive device to distract the gunman and rescue around 30 people who had been taken hostage



Police engaged in gunfire with the man and an officer was shot in the head, but he was saved by his helmet



FBI says gunman may have 'leanings to radical Islamic terrorism' and it is being investigated as 'an act of terrorism'

Quote from: "cc la femme"Looking at it all in the aftermath ....



What an example for all the kranny following West haters within the West!! .. and there are MANY!!!

Quote from: "JOE"

Quote from: "cc la femme"Looking at it all in the aftermath ....



What an example for all the kranny following West haters within the West!! .. and there are MANY!!!

cc, what's a 'kranny'? Is that a Muslim version of a 'tranny' or 'granny'?

Do tell. Yer gittin' nuttier with each successive post.

Is it Old Age creepin' up on yeh?  :wink:

Quote from: "Full Quote"Looking at it all in the aftermath ....



What an example for all the kranny following West haters within the West!! .. and there are MANY!!!



One person with a semiautomatic can hit 103 people, and kill 1/2 of them outright



This does not bode well for the future .. this is not good

Quote from: "cc la femme"Joe -  "krannies" are like  "nooks" only different :sneaky2:

Quote from: "Full Quote"Looking at it all in the aftermath ....



What an example for all the kranny following West haters within the West!! .. and there are MANY!!!



One person with a semiautomatic can hit 103 people, and kill 1/2 of them outright



This does not bode well for the future .. this is not good

Quote from: "Velvet"A horrific tragedy. And since the Paris killings, I am nervous about crowded places like shopping malls, parades and cultural events.

Quote from: "JOE"50 killed by just 1 guy and 1 gun?



This sure makes a case for gun control in the US!

Quote from: "smell the glove"People like Joe may be under the misconception that a .223/5.56 NATO round comes out of the barrel differently, if the guns look different.



They don't.  A bullet comes out the same.

Quote from: "cc la femme"I did post this in the other thread, but it fits both threads



Wow - All the "kill because of gay hatred " turns out to be bullshit / propaganda - This guy AND the Orlando Islamic were gay ... so that Dog Don't Hunt!!!

Quote from: "cc la femme"I had many solid sites on this last night - will look for them when i can



It is also being reported on BBC etc now - quite extensive on many sites .. back to police college in 07 ... recently a reg at the place he hit (over 12 times) lists of other bars and attempted dates



Even his ex said he "had gay tendencies"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "cc la femme"I had many solid sites on this last night - will look for them when i can



It is also being reported on BBC etc now - quite extensive on many sites .. back to police college in 07 ... recently a reg at the place he hit (over 12 times) lists of other bars and attempted dates



Even his ex said he "had gay tendencies"

Hmm, I wonder what his ISIS friends would have thought of him had they known that.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "cc la femme"I had many solid sites on this last night - will look for them when i can



It is also being reported on BBC etc now - quite extensive on many sites .. back to police college in 07 ... recently a reg at the place he hit (over 12 times) lists of other bars and attempted dates



Even his ex said he "had gay tendencies"

Hmm, I wonder what his ISIS friends would have thought of him had they known that.

I don't really know.....they would probably want to tie him to a chair and then throw him off a 5 story building.  ac_dunno



Just a guess.

Quote from: "cc la femme"I did post this in the other thread, but it fits both threads



Wow - All the "kill because of gay hatred " turns out to be bullshit / propaganda - This guy AND the Orlando Islamic were gay ... so that Dog Don't Hunt!!!

QuoteI don't suppose anyone here knows that Obango still hasn't even reached out to the governor of Florida to offer his support or help in anyway in this time of horrific tragedy

Quote from: "Renee"More importantly, regardless of the reasoning behind this heinous act, is how did this scumbag pull this shooting off. Everyone here should know by now that I am pro-firearms ownership. BUT this whole situation sucks ass.



How does an individual who is a 2 time FBI watched list alumni and a domestic abuse prep get multiple guns no questions asked? To put this in perspective, when I apply for a handgun permit, I practically have to give a gallon of blood......

I have to submit to the following.....



1.) A state police and FBI background check,

2.) A mental health check,

3.) Get finger printed,

4.) Provide no less than two character references

5.) Have a valid, state issued firearms ID card.



And then I wait anywhere from 2 weeks to 60 days for approval, on average.



This is all done at my expense, time and money. The only saving grace is that I have law enforcement connections so getting approved is generally not a problem. But still comparatively, I get treated like a second class citizen while this KNOWN Islamo-scumbag gets treated to all the perks the US Constitution can provide. :dash1:



If nothing else someone needs to be held accountable for this and IMHO is should be by way of a public whipping. I'm pissed off as hell about this BULLSHIT because the legislative elements that have allowed this to happen will, if given the chance, use this tragedy to strip the rights away from people like me, just so they can be seen by the voting sheep as looking like they are concerned about public safety.

QuoteObama warned just 11 days ago that an ISIL sympathizer could get a gun in the US



Omar S. Mateen, the shooter who killed 50 people and injured dozens more in Orlando, Florida on June 12 was a "person of interest" who the FBI had investigated, was briefly on a "terrorist watch list," and beat his ex-wife, according to reports in the Washington Post and LA Times.



But he was able to legally buy the AR-15, the gun of choice for mass shootings, in Florida, reported the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.



It is impossible to tell from early reports how lengthy an investigation of Mateen was, whether he was still being monitored in any way, or whether his wife had reported his violence to law enforcement—but even if he was still being monitored for terrorism ties, he would be able to legally get a gun.



Last December, two proposed bills that would have expanded background checks on gun buyers and kept people on terrorist watch lists from purchasing guns were voted down, mostly by Republicans.



Many of them have taken sizable donations from the National Rifle Association, which aggressively lobbies against gun control bills. Some have received more than a million dollars. After the Orlando shooting, some of the same politicians tweeted their "thoughts and prayers" for the victims.



Less than two weeks before the Orlando shooting, US president Barack Obama eerily warned that the National Rifle Association lobbying had created a dangerous situation in America where terrorists can get guns.



At a town hall meeting in Indiana, he argued for "commonsense gun laws," and decried the NRA's influence:



I just came away from a meeting today in the Situation Room in which I've got people who we know have been on ISIL websites, living here in the United States, US citizens, and we're allowed to put them on the no-fly list when it comes to airlines, but because of the National Rifle Association I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun.



This is somebody who is a known ISIL sympathizer, and if he wants to walk in to a gun store or a gun show right now and buy as much as many weapons and ammo as he can, nothing is prohibiting him from doing that, even though the FBI knows who that person is.



So sir, I just to have to say respectfully, there is a way for us to have commonsense gun laws. There is a way for us to make sure lawful, responsible gun owners like yourself are able to use it for sporting, hunting, protecting yourself. But the only way we're going to do that is if we don't have a situation in which anything that is proposed is viewed as some tyrannical destruction of the second amendment, and that's how too often the issue too often gets framed.



//http://qz.com/705071/even-if-the-orlando-gunman-was-a-suspected-terrorist-hed-still-be-able-to-buy-a-gun-in-america/

Quote from: "cc la femme"gun (Brussels, Paris, US), bomb(London, Madrid, Paris etc.), fire (Seattle), knives (last night in France),    ...... anyone who wants to kill will find what they need ... and ESPECIALLY Allah-Fanatics



Fk ... your loving  islamic  death cultists    even used airplanes



When you have a moment, please explain Brussels, Paris etc. "shootings"  .. .and especially explain how almost double Orlando died by gun in Bacalan .. it sure as hell had nothing to do with dopey's countrys gun laws ... but sure as hell did have of a lot to do with islamics finding guns and using them to kill. They got guns there, right? .. just as they did in Belgium, right?



Every time islam kills,  your "type" will not blame islam.



 Well  Guess What, sonny!! ... Bottom Line  ... yet again,  islam did it. Please continue to help make the world hear it

Quote from: "Renee"How does an individual who is a 2 time FBI watched list alumni and a domestic abuse prep get multiple guns no questions asked? To put this in perspective, when I apply for a handgun permit, I practically have to give a gallon of blood......

I have to submit to the following.....



1.) A state police and FBI background check,

2.) A mental health check,

3.) Get finger printed,

4.) Provide no less than two character references

5.) Have a valid, state issued firearms ID card.



And then I wait anywhere from 2 weeks to 60 days for approval, on average.



This is all done at my expense, time and money. The only saving grace is that I have law enforcement connections so getting approved is generally not a problem. But still comparatively, I get treated like a second class citizen while this KNOWN Islamo-scumbag gets treated to all the perks the US Constitution can provide. :dash1:



If nothing else someone needs to be held accountable for this and IMHO is should be by way of a public whipping. I'm pissed off as hell about this BULLSHIT because the legislative elements that have allowed this to happen will, if given the chance, use this tragedy to strip the rights away from people like me, just so they can be seen by the voting sheep as looking like they are concerned about public safety.



Ironically the same political yahoos who are responsible for this fucked up situation are the same ones who refuse to call a spade as spade. I don't suppose anyone here knows that Obango still hasn't even reached out to the governor of Florida to offer his support or help in anyway in this time of horrific tragedy. Even if it's just a symbolic offer, a moral person would not hesitate to offer their support.



Now ask why Obama has been so tight fisted with his support........Because the governor of Florida is a Republican and we have the most politically partisan president in our nation's history sitting the oval office. This is what we as a nation have been reduced to. I feel like throwing up.



Sorry for the rant....this shit has been bottled up in me since the story broke.

Quote from: "Herman"

Quote from: "cc la femme"gun (Brussels, Paris, US), bomb(London, Madrid, Paris etc.), fire (Seattle), knives (last night in France),    ...... anyone who wants to kill will find what they need ... and ESPECIALLY Allah-Fanatics



Fk ... your loving  islamic  death cultists    even used airplanes



When you have a moment, please explain Brussels, Paris etc. "shootings"  .. .and especially explain how almost double Orlando died by gun in Bacalan .. it sure as hell had nothing to do with dopey's countrys gun laws ... but sure as hell did have of a lot to do with islamics finding guns and using them to kill. They got guns there, right? .. just as they did in Belgium, right?



Every time islam kills,  your "type" will not blame islam.



 Well  Guess What, sonny!! ... Bottom Line  ... yet again,  islam did it. Please continue to help make the world hear it

We gotta hand it to Islamists. When they are ready to kill for Allah, they do not care what laws we make or enforce. They will find new ways to kill us. Next will be bombs surgically implanted under the skin.

Quote from: "JOE"Are the laws of gun ownership much more lax in the Southern states than in the Northeastern ones? Seems to me I've read that the number of gun homicides is also lower where you live than in the Southern states. If that's the case, then it does demonstrate that stricter gun laws do work to some degree. And that uncontrolled licensing like they have in the South may contribute to their high gun homicide rates. Perhaps if Omar Muteen had been living in the Northern states with stricter gun laws, there would have been less likelihood of the incident happening there than in Florida.



Just speculation, but I know gun homicides in the US northeast are much lower than the southern states

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"So owning assault type rifles that shoots  bullets that tumble is alright in your reality? Why are these guns along  with giant clips legal? They are only manufactured for one reason.

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"So owning assault type rifles that shoots  bullets that tumble is alright in your reality? Why are these guns along  with giant clips legal? They are only manufactured for one reason.

Bullets that "tumble"???? WTF are you babbling about now?

Quote from: "Renee"
Bullets that "tumble"???? WTF are you babbling about now?

QuoteThere are three reasons why a bullet tumbles after leaving the barrel:



  * The bullet's base is cockeyed and gas escapes off one side before the

    other as it leaves the muzzle.



  * Something really unbalanced the bullet as it was going down the bore.

    After exiting the muzzle, it tumbles.



  * The bullet is spinning way too slow as it leaves the muzzle; it won't

    gyroscopically stablize.  Or it's spinning too fast; its natural

    unbalance creates enough centrifugal force to cause it to tumble.

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"So owning assault type rifles that shoots  bullets that tumble is alright in your reality? Why are these guns along  with giant clips legal? They are only manufactured for one reason.

Bullets that "tumble"???? WTF are you babbling about now?

Funny Renee that you are unaware of this. Google it. These weapons are to kill people. The bullet that is shot out of these guns have a tumble action. After in enters ones body it tears the shit out of you.

Quote from: "cc la femme"See how it happens?



islam does what islam does and progs change that into "about guns"



This isn't even a gay hate crime as was first assumed. He was gay. Its an islamic hate for the West crime



An islamic set out to kill as many civilians as possible, knew personally this was a setup (a place packed with 300 targets) .... so decided the place he knew was as good as it gets and killed

Quote from: "cc la femme"I agree from a Western society perspective it is a  senseless tragedy



From a devout  islamic perspective it is another  victory against its enemy ... and all the spin in the world cannot change that

Quote from: "cc la femme"See how it happens?



islam does what islam does and progs change that into "about guns"



This isn't even a gay hate crime as was first assumed. He was gay. Its an islamic hate for the West crime



An islamic set out to kill as many civilians as possible, knew personally this was a setup (a place packed with 300 targets) .... so decided the place he knew was as good as it gets and killed as many as he could



So long as we have islamics here, this will accelerate ...



Whether gun, fire, bombs .. this guy is inspiration for all those islamics  who hate the West

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "cc la femme"See how it happens?



islam does what islam does and progs change that into "about guns"



This isn't even a gay hate crime as was first assumed. He was gay. Its an islamic hate for the West crime



An islamic set out to kill as many civilians as possible, knew personally this was a setup (a place packed with 300 targets) .... so decided the place he knew was as good as it gets and killed as many as he could



So long as we have islamics here, this will accelerate ...



Whether gun, fire, bombs .. this guy is inspiration for all those islamics  who hate the West

Mass SHOOTINGS are about guns regardless of what sick fuck is pulling the trigger.

Quote from: "Fashionista"

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "cc la femme"See how it happens?



islam does what islam does and progs change that into "about guns"



This isn't even a gay hate crime as was first assumed. He was gay. Its an islamic hate for the West crime



An islamic set out to kill as many civilians as possible, knew personally this was a setup (a place packed with 300 targets) .... so decided the place he knew was as good as it gets and killed as many as he could



So long as we have islamics here, this will accelerate ...



Whether gun, fire, bombs .. this guy is inspiration for all those islamics  who hate the West

Mass SHOOTINGS are about guns regardless of what sick fuck is pulling the trigger.

Was the Boston bombing about pressure cookers? Was 9/11 about airplanes? Was the Oklahoma City bombing about fertilizer?



I am not trying to be smart, but if someone is determined to kill many people, they will and have found ways to do it..



Having said that, I support making gun ownership very restrictive, but I don't believe it will stop terrorism.

Quote from: "seoulbro"Making gun ownership more restrictive in the US might stop another Connecticut school shooting. But, it will not stop jihad inspired attacks or bike gangs shooting each other up. Restrictive gun laws did not stop the Paris massacre or the latest shooting in Israel. The law won't prevent organized crime syndicates and international Islamic terror from getting what they want.



As has been pointed out, they are experimenting with new ways of getting suicide bombers on planes. Very scary.

Quote from: "Renee""Mass Shooting Tracker" is a bullshit site. As per usual in the anti-gun, hoplophobic world, facts are omitted or amended in favor of bolstering numbers for propaganda purposes.



"PolitiFact, who ranked Mass Shooting Tracker's statistical assessment as "half true" noted, "Using 2013, the most recent year for which federal data is available, the Congressional Research Service found 25 mass shooting incidents — far less than the 363 counted by Mass Shooting Tracker"

//http://ivn.us/2015/12/03/fact-check-mass-shootings-days-2015/



//http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/10/foghorn/auditing-shootingtracker-com-do-they-even-care-about-facts/

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "seoulbro"Making gun ownership more restrictive in the US might stop another Connecticut school shooting. But, it will not stop jihad inspired attacks or bike gangs shooting each other up. Restrictive gun laws did not stop the Paris massacre or the latest shooting in Israel. The law won't prevent organized crime syndicates and international Islamic terror from getting what they want.



As has been pointed out, they are experimenting with new ways of getting suicide bombers on planes. Very scary.

My understanding is the gun used in this shooting was obtained LEGALLY.



This attitude that we can't stop something 100% is a justification for not restricting or banning is a HUGE logic fail.

Quote from: "seoulbro"

Quote from: "RW"

Quote from: "seoulbro"Making gun ownership more restrictive in the US might stop another Connecticut school shooting. But, it will not stop jihad inspired attacks or bike gangs shooting each other up. Restrictive gun laws did not stop the Paris massacre or the latest shooting in Israel. The law won't prevent organized crime syndicates and international Islamic terror from getting what they want.



As has been pointed out, they are experimenting with new ways of getting suicide bombers on planes. Very scary.

My understanding is the gun used in this shooting was obtained LEGALLY.



This attitude that we can't stop something 100% is a justification for not restricting or banning is a HUGE logic fail.

Legal or not legal will not stop a terrorist anymore than it would Yakuza or HA. It's never worked anywhere. So legal or not does not matter at all in those cases.



It might stop a kid though, but even then I am not sure. It's not that difficult buying illegal firearms and that's in the greater Toronto area.

Quote from: "Renee""Mass Shooting Tracker" is a bullshit site. As per usual in the anti-gun, hoplophobic world, facts are omitted or amended in favor of bolstering numbers for propaganda purposes.



"PolitiFact, who ranked Mass Shooting Tracker's statistical assessment as "half true" noted, "Using 2013, the most recent year for which federal data is available, the Congressional Research Service found 25 mass shooting incidents — far less than the 363 counted by Mass Shooting Tracker"

//http://ivn.us/2015/12/03/fact-check-mass-shootings-days-2015/



//http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/10/foghorn/auditing-shootingtracker-com-do-they-even-care-about-facts/

Quote from: "RW"So it should be easy and legal to obtain a weapon capable of shooting and wounding over 100 people? ....

Quote from: "RW" .... Actually, it's worked out pretty well in Australia in terms of curbing mass shootings.  Isn't that weird??

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"

Quote from: "Renee"

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"So owning assault type rifles that shoots  bullets that tumble is alright in your reality? Why are these guns along  with giant clips legal? They are only manufactured for one reason.

Bullets that "tumble"???? WTF are you babbling about now?

Funny Renee that you are unaware of this. Google it. These weapons are to kill people. The bullet that is shot out of these guns have a tumble action. After in enters ones body it tears the shit out of you.

WRONG!!!!!!!! :laugh3:



Bullets do not "tumble". If you have a "tumble action" (whatever the fuck that is) something is seriously wrong with the barrel of the gun or the load you are using is incompatible with the rifling twist in the bore or the bullet is damaged or defective in some way. In any case bullets are not meant or designed to "tumble".



Bullets "spiral" much like a well thrown football.



You are obvious one of the millions of ignorant sheep who think so called assault weapons are some kind of ultra menacing class of firearm that has mystical killing powers.



Watch out for those kinds of weapons. They have mind control powers as well. Anyone who touches one immediately turns into a homicidal maniac.  :laugh3:

QuoteIt Took Us Just 38 Minutes To Buy An AR-15 In Orlando



Just two days after Omar Mateen used a semi-automatic rifle to murder 49 innocent people and injure dozens more, we were able to purchase an AR-15 — a rifle similar to Mateen's that has been used in several other mass shootings on American soil — in less time than it takes to buy a cart full of groceries.



//http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ar-15-orlando_us_576059f3e4b0e4fe5143fd4d?ir=Canada&section=ca_canada&utm_hp_ref=canada

QuoteBOOM in gun sales as shop sells 15,000 guns since Orlando massacre



In a few hours on Monday one gun shop in Georgia had sold 17 times the number of AR 15 assault rifles it normally does in one day.



A Pennsylvanian gun dealer has said that he has already sold around 15,000 semi-automatic rifles on his website since the shocking event.



//http://eheadlines.com/boom-in-gun-sales-as-shop-sells-15000-guns-since-orlando-massacre/

Quote from: "cc la femme"Let's put this "Oz" thing on hold and discuss that after oz experiences more and large islamic attacks.

Quote from: "cc la femme"Well and good, but what do you think about yet another killer for islam? ... being as that is what brought the subject up, eh?



Do you think this acceleration on islamic killings in the West will continue to accelerate?



I do .. and you? .. and I again remind you ... this thread was inspired by a killer for islam

Quote from: "Romero"

Quote from: "cc la femme"Well and good, but what do you think about yet another killer for islam? ... being as that is what brought the subject up, eh?



Do you think this acceleration on islamic killings in the West will continue to accelerate?



I do .. and you? .. and I again remind you ... this thread was inspired by a killer for islam

I wouldn't know. I can't foretell the future.

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"Americans love their guns. Nothing wrong with that as long as they do proper background checks. Rural Manitobans love their high powered firearms too. It's part of the culture there as it is in the states.



Changing our culture in North America because Islam wants us dead is surrender. Asking responsible gun owners like Renee or Herman to give up part of their heritage is unreasonable. It's like putting legal limits on girls wearing what they want because it will provoke Muslim men to rape.



Muslim radicals want us dead anyway. Changing our culture will not change that.

Quote from: "Renee"Here in the northeast we also have a different demographic and less poverty. I dont want to say that certain groups of people are more prone to violence than others but it's true.



Now that doesn't matter because everyone, no matter what state you live in, must pass the NICS ( national instant criminal background check) before purchasing a firearm. Certain states have additional requirements for certain types of guns but is irrelevant.



Unfortunately the NICS data base doesn't include those individuals who are on "watched" or "no fly" lists. A simple addition to the data base would have prevented the Orlando shooter from legally obtaining firearms.



This kind of stuff is what people like Obongo don't want you to know. Anti-gun liberals are all about far reaching legislation that fits in with their political agenda. Several bills where proposed in congress recently under the guise of stopping so-called terrorists from getting guns. But in reality they were much more than attempts to stop guns from falling into the wrong hands. In all cases these bills did not address the problem with the NICS and were full of provisions that made direct attacks on the rights of law abiding citizens. So rightfully they did not pass.



Obama, his prog dupes and especially his cronies in the media, would like you to believe that the big bad NRA is the cause of all the lack of legislative action but that's just leftwing spin. The truth is, its the unpalatable and intolerable liberal/progressive agenda that stands in the way of fixings problem.

Quote from: "iron horse jockey" ...... Changing our culture in North America because Islam wants us dead is surrender. Asking responsible gun owners like Renee or Herman to give up part of their heritage is unreasonable. It's like putting legal limits on girls wearing what they want because it will provoke Muslim men to rape.



Muslim radicals want us dead anyway. Changing our culture will not change that.

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"Americans love their guns. Nothing wrong with that as long as they do proper background checks. Rural Manitobans love their high powered firearms too. It's part of the culture there as it is in the states.



Changing our culture in North America because Islam wants us dead is surrender. Asking responsible gun owners like Renee or Herman to give up part of their heritage is unreasonable. It's like putting legal limits on girls wearing what they want because it will provoke Muslim men to rape.



Muslim radicals want us dead anyway. Changing our culture will not change that.

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Quote from: "Romero"I wouldn't know. I can't foretell the future.

You do have trouble with large words like "Yes" & "No"

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"Americans love their guns. Nothing wrong with that as long as they do proper background checks. Rural Manitobans love their high powered firearms too. It's part of the culture there as it is in the states.



Changing our culture in North America because Islam wants us dead is surrender. Asking responsible gun owners like Renee or Herman to give up part of their heritage is unreasonable. It's like putting legal limits on girls wearing what they want because it will provoke Muslim men to rape.



Muslim radicals want us dead anyway. Changing our culture will not change that.

Best frickin post by a country mile.  :thumbup:



Not only is it cultural surrender, as we know from Europe, it does not Islamists from killing us infidels.



And just so you know, I gave most of my gun collection to my nephews. I still have a 22 for gophers and a 270 for pesky badgers or a prime buck on my land. :wink:

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"So owning assault type rifles that shoots  bullets that tumble is alright in your reality? Why are these guns along  with giant clips legal? They are only manufactured for one reason.

Bullets that "tumble"???? WTF are you babbling about now?

Funny Renee that you are unaware of this. Google it. These weapons are to kill people. The bullet that is shot out of these guns have a tumble action. After in enters ones body it tears the shit out of you.

WRONG!!!!!!!! :laugh3:



Bullets do not "tumble". If you have a "tumble action" (whatever the fuck that is) something is seriously wrong with the barrel of the gun or the load you are using is incompatible with the rifling twist in the bore or the bullet is damaged or defective in some way. In any case bullets are not meant or designed to "tumble".



Bullets "spiral" much like a well thrown football.



You are obvious one of the millions of ignorant sheep who think so called assault weapons are some kind of ultra menacing class of firearm that has mystical killing powers.



Watch out for those kinds of weapons. They have mind control powers as well. Anyone who touches one immediately turns into a homicidal maniac.  :laugh3:

Sorry but I need to ask again. How far is your head up your ass? Tumble or a tumble effect. These guns are to kill people. How fucking stupid are you? Ex Hubby must have one. Helps with his boner, no doubt. These weapons need to be banned. If you don't see this, I honestly feel sorry for you. Yeah these weapons have magical killing powers. God are you dumb.

Quote from: "RW"I'm tired but I thought it was mildly funny.

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"Americans love their guns. Nothing wrong with that as long as they do proper background checks. Rural Manitobans love their high powered firearms too. It's part of the culture there as it is in the states.



Changing our culture in North America because Islam wants us dead is surrender. Asking responsible gun owners like Renee or Herman to give up part of their heritage is unreasonable. It's like putting legal limits on girls wearing what they want because it will provoke Muslim men to rape.



Muslim radicals want us dead anyway. Changing our culture will not change that.

Best frickin post by a country mile.  :thumbup:



Not only is it cultural surrender, as we know from Europe, it does not Islamists from killing us infidels.



And just so you know, I gave most of my gun collection to my nephews. I still have a 22 for gophers and a 270 for pesky badgers or a prime buck on my land. :wink:

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"So owning assault type rifles that shoots  bullets that tumble is alright in your reality? Why are these guns along  with giant clips legal? They are only manufactured for one reason.

Bullets that "tumble"???? WTF are you babbling about now?

Funny Renee that you are unaware of this. Google it. These weapons are to kill people. The bullet that is shot out of these guns have a tumble action. After in enters ones body it tears the shit out of you.

WRONG!!!!!!!! :laugh3:



Bullets do not "tumble". If you have a "tumble action" (whatever the fuck that is) something is seriously wrong with the barrel of the gun or the load you are using is incompatible with the rifling twist in the bore or the bullet is damaged or defective in some way. In any case bullets are not meant or designed to "tumble".



Bullets "spiral" much like a well thrown football.



You are obvious one of the millions of ignorant sheep who think so called assault weapons are some kind of ultra menacing class of firearm that has mystical killing powers.



Watch out for those kinds of weapons. They have mind control powers as well. Anyone who touches one immediately turns into a homicidal maniac.  :laugh3:

Sorry but I need to ask again. How far is your head up your ass? Tumble or a tumble effect. These guns are to kill people. How fucking stupid are you? Ex Hubby must have one. Helps with his boner, no doubt. These weapons need to be banned. If you don't see this, I honestly feel sorry for you. Yeah these weapons have magical killing powers. God are you dumb.

I've said before and I'll say it again.....everytime you open your mouth a whole lot of stupid comes out.



You are the best example of the ignorant fool I've ever come across. You even manage to make your friend SCOUSE look smart. Even simple principles of physics are too much for your wooden head to absorb. Your ignorance simply nauseates me.



Go find a wave full of stinging jelly fish and lay in it, you fucking idiot.



BTW, nothing on this earth in the way of weaponry has magical powers. That kind of shit could only be believed by someone with a child's mind.

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"So owning assault type rifles that shoots  bullets that tumble is alright in your reality? Why are these guns along  with giant clips legal? They are only manufactured for one reason.

Bullets that "tumble"???? WTF are you babbling about now?

Funny Renee that you are unaware of this. Google it. These weapons are to kill people. The bullet that is shot out of these guns have a tumble action. After in enters ones body it tears the shit out of you.

WRONG!!!!!!!! :laugh3:



Bullets do not "tumble". If you have a "tumble action" (whatever the fuck that is) something is seriously wrong with the barrel of the gun or the load you are using is incompatible with the rifling twist in the bore or the bullet is damaged or defective in some way. In any case bullets are not meant or designed to "tumble".



Bullets "spiral" much like a well thrown football.



You are obvious one of the millions of ignorant sheep who think so called assault weapons are some kind of ultra menacing class of firearm that has mystical killing powers.



Watch out for those kinds of weapons. They have mind control powers as well. Anyone who touches one immediately turns into a homicidal maniac.  :laugh3:

Sorry but I need to ask again. How far is your head up your ass? Tumble or a tumble effect. These guns are to kill people. How fucking stupid are you? Ex Hubby must have one. Helps with his boner, no doubt. These weapons need to be banned. If you don't see this, I honestly feel sorry for you. Yeah these weapons have magical killing powers. God are you dumb.

I've said before and I'll say it again.....everytime you open your mouth a whole lot of stupid comes out.



You are the best example of the ignorant fool I've ever come across. You even manage to make your friend SCOUSE look smart. Even simple principles of physics are too much for your wooden head to absorb. Your ignorance simply nauseates me.



Go find a wave full of stinging jelly fish and lay in it, you fucking idiot.



BTW, nothing on this earth in the way of weaponry has magical powers. That kind of shit could only be believed by someone with a child's mind.

Working today? I can only guess what Wedensdays are like for you.  Enjoy. ac_smile  ac_smile  ac_smile

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"I think it's time to ban Islamic radicals instead of Herman and Renee from owning guns.

Quote from: "cc la femme"I think most do get it. I know that I do big-time. I would like large caliber semis gone .... but do know that perps will get them still



It's just that



1. 1% of the entire population sure do a lot .. and we all know MUCH MORE is to come from that 1% .. and that without huge taxpayer funded policing would be doing a hell of a lot more



2. Others from the other 99%  are not players in a huge worldwide plan that has the ultimate objective to change and subjugate the West. That's not just yer regular violence, that's war.



3. Others are one go and gone .. not so with the death cult .. . they will keep on coming

Quote from: "Renee"Bullets do not "tumble".

Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"Sorry but I need to ask again. How far is your head up your ass? Tumble or a tumble effect. These guns are to kill people. How fucking stupid are you? Ex Hubby must have one. Helps with his boner, no doubt. These weapons need to be banned. If you don't see this, I honestly feel sorry for you. Yeah these weapons have magical killing powers. God are you dumb.

Quote from: "RW""Responsible" gun owner don't need access to these types of weapons.  That's insane.

Quote from: "RW"Actually, it's worked out pretty well in Australia in terms of curbing mass shootings.  Isn't that weird??

Quote from: "RW"There used to be a ban on them that expired in 2004.  Prior to that, where "responsible gun owners" feeling put upon because they couldn't get their hands on 30 round clips any more?  If so, TFB.

Quote from: "RW"Actually, no they didn't have ONE incident.  They had one MAJOR incident.  They had 13 mass shootings in the years prior to their gun ban.

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Quote from: "RW"There used to be a ban on them that expired in 2004.  Prior to that, where "responsible gun owners" feeling put upon because they couldn't get their hands on 30 round clips any more?  If so, TFB.

It doesn't matter what the gun looks like, RW.



My Mini-14 shoots the exact same bullet/round.



It's a low powered round, all things considered.

Quote from: "smell the glove"What we must remember here, is that literally ANY gun can take multiple lives in a relatively quick span of time.



It doesn't matter if it's an AR15, a Mini-14, a .357 Magnum, or a .45 Auto...



Someone perched upon a building with a bolt-action 30-06 or .308 can leave devastating effects.  These are the two most common North American hunting rounds.  They would make a .223/5.56 round look like a fucking pellet from a sling-shot...

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"A simple addition of watched by the FBI or on the fly list would have prevented him from buying a gun legally. If they had've added that, he would have had to use a black market bought gun and 50 people would still be dead. Maybe use an explosive device. Either way, it's lot easier for a cowardly government to punish responsible gun owners like Herman and Renee than Islamics who want us dead by any means.

Quote from: "RW""This type of weapon has become the weapon of choice for gunmen in mass shootings, including those in San Bernardino, Newtown and Aurora," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif. "This is not a weapon needed for hunting or self-defense. It is a weapon of war that can kill large numbers of people in close quarters."



There used to be a ban on them that expired in 2004.  Prior to that, where "responsible gun owners" feeling put upon because they couldn't get their hands on 30 round clips any more?  If so, TFB.

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Quote from: "Twenty Dollars"Sorry but I need to ask again. How far is your head up your ass? Tumble or a tumble effect. These guns are to kill people. How fucking stupid are you? Ex Hubby must have one. Helps with his boner, no doubt. These weapons need to be banned. If you don't see this, I honestly feel sorry for you. Yeah these weapons have magical killing powers. God are you dumb.

I'm sorry, TD, but you are wrong.



Very wrong.



A bullet is designed to do one thing...  Follow the flattest and most accurate trajectory possible, until it hits the target.  This target could be a pop can, a paper target, an animal, or a human.



A bullet is a usually a very simple thing...  A piece of lead, often with a copper jacket.  That's all a bullet is, generally.



How big it is, how heavy it is, and how fast it comes out of the end are what can be adjusted.  Nonetheless, they all are supposed to come out in exactly the same way...

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