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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

Quote from: "cc la femme"I don't know what it takes for the public to see that , gun, bomb, fire, whatever ... this critter was committed  to kill for his god long before and would kill as many as he could with whatever he could  .. period

Quote from: "cc la femme"So clearly you acknowledge this was a dedicated / committed islamic killing for his god ..... but imply that if guns were banned he would have merely stayed home

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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

We know, but Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that.

Quote from: "cc la femme"True. "Legal" has no meaning to anyone dedicated / committed to kill



As to "dedicated / committed " / "AFFAIRS IN ORDER"  :

The guy, not wealthy,  even "quit claimed" a house to his sister for 10$ 2 months before attack ... along with other "unusual" things



I don't know what it takes for the public to see that , gun, bomb, fire, whatever ... this critter was committed  to kill for his god long before and would kill as many as he could with whatever he could  .. period



If gun was his method of choice, he would have found one at any cost ... .ffs, he even tried to buy heavy body armor during this period.

This committed bastard would have purchased a gun on the black market even if death was the penalty for holding a gun ffs



After giving his home to family for just one example of determination. clearly this critter would find a way to kill



What part of "he was long dedicated to kill and would find a way or ways NO MATTER WHAT" can't  people get



THEY KNEW! Orlando Shooter sold house to sister for $10 in April; new wife scrubbed social media before attack (//https) Also available on several other sources



As well as he know the club as a setup,  frankly I'm surprised he didn't follow the concept of the Seattle nightclub islamic and use carefully placed fire(s) as a really easy way to kill in packed nightclubs

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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

We know, but Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that.

So because there will always be terrorists who can obtain weapons illegally, we should make it easy for them to obtain them legally as well?



There is yet another logic fail.



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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

We know, but Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that.

So because there will always be terrorists who can obtain weapons illegally, we should make it easy for them to obtain them legally as well?



There is yet another logic fail.



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She said no such thing, She said and I quote "" Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that."



Nowhere did she say or imply  .. and I quote " ... make it easy for them to obtain them legally as well?"

Quote from: "cc la femme"No one is saying "make is easier " that's your words



Again, she did not say "it's not a tool in fighting terrorism in Orlando"  ... whatever that means. Far as I can see, those are also your words



As for me, how many times must I say DON'T MAKE IT EASIER .. MAKE IT a LOT HARDER so that it gets through??



And I'll bet Fash is not a loose gun laws  fan also

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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

We know, but Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that.

So because there will always be terrorists who can obtain weapons illegally, we should make it easy for them to obtain them legally as well?



There is yet another logic fail.



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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

We know, but Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that.

So because there will always be terrorists who can obtain weapons illegally, we should make it easy for them to obtain them legally as well?



There is yet another logic fail.



 :001_rolleyes:

That's not the conclusion I came to from his post. He seems to understand the futility in battling terror by banning guns. A person can still favour tight gun control and accept that it's ineffective in against Islamic terror.

Quote from: "RW" What's wrong with limiting that access?

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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

We know, but Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that.

So because there will always be terrorists who can obtain weapons illegally, we should make it easy for them to obtain them legally as well?



There is yet another logic fail.



 :001_rolleyes:

That's not the conclusion I came to from his post. He seems to understand the futility in battling terror by banning guns. A person can still favour tight gun control and accept that it's ineffective in against Islamic terror.

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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

We know, but Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that.

So because there will always be terrorists who can obtain weapons illegally, we should make it easy for them to obtain them legally as well?



There is yet another logic fail.



 :001_rolleyes:

That's not the conclusion I came to from his post. He seems to understand the futility in battling terror by banning guns. A person can still favour tight gun control and accept that it's ineffective in against Islamic terror.

In this case, a ban on guns could have very well prevented this attack as well as several other shootings like Columbine.



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QuoteWhoa, what does Columbine have to do with Islamic terror?



And how do you know banning guns would have prevented the ISIS blessed attack in Orlando? I guarantee a ban on Muslims would have prevented all those deaths.

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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

We know, but Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that.

So because there will always be terrorists who can obtain weapons illegally, we should make it easy for them to obtain them legally as well?



There is yet another logic fail.



 :001_rolleyes:

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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

We know, but Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that.

So because there will always be terrorists who can obtain weapons illegally, we should make it easy for them to obtain them legally as well?



There is yet another logic fail.



 :001_rolleyes:

That's not the conclusion I came to from his post. He seems to understand the futility in battling terror by banning guns. A person can still favour tight gun control and accept that it's ineffective in against Islamic terror.

In this case, a ban on guns could have very well prevented this attack as well as several other shootings like Columbine.



 :001_rolleyes:

Whoa, what does Columbine have to do with Islamic terror?



And how do you know banning guns would have prevented the ISIS blessed attack in Orlando? I guarantee a ban on Muslims would have prevented all those deaths.

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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

We know, but Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that.

So because there will always be terrorists who can obtain weapons illegally, we should make it easy for them to obtain them legally as well?



There is yet another logic fail.



 :001_rolleyes:

That's not the conclusion I came to from his post. He seems to understand the futility in battling terror by banning guns. A person can still favour tight gun control and accept that it's ineffective in against Islamic terror.

In this case, a ban on guns could have very well prevented this attack as well as several other shootings like Columbine.



 :001_rolleyes:

Whoa, what does Columbine have to do with Islamic terror?



And how do you know banning guns would have prevented the ISIS blessed attack in Orlando? I guarantee a ban on Muslims would have prevented all those deaths.

Quote from: "cc la femme"No one is saying "make is easier " that's your words



Again, she did not say "it's not a tool in fighting terrorism in Orlando"  ... whatever that means. Far as I can see, those are also your words



As for me, how many times must I say DON'T MAKE IT EASIER .. MAKE IT a LOT HARDER so that it gets through??



And I'll bet Fash is not a loose gun laws  fan also

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Quote from: "seoulbro"No doubt stricter gun control would be effective in lowering the homicide rate. But, as a tool in fighting terror attacks like Paris, Orlando and the latest one in Israel? No.



As for criminal gangs, tighter gun control may even be good for their business.

The "terrorist" in Orlando obtained his gun legally in the US.

We know, but Seoul is saying that legal means nothing to terror groups or organized crime..



Paris shooting and Charlie Hebdo being examples of that.

So because there will always be terrorists who can obtain weapons illegally, we should make it easy for them to obtain them legally as well?



There is yet another logic fail.



 :001_rolleyes:

Yes, Fash is saying make it easy for known Islamic terrorists, Ku Klux Klanners and mafia to buy weapons. :dash1:



Old Jock is beating you badly in these two threads, but stooping to putting words in people's mouths is a Rohammad tactic not an RW one.

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Quote from: "cc la femme"No one is saying "make is easier " that's your words



Again, she did not say "it's not a tool in fighting terrorism in Orlando"  ... whatever that means. Far as I can see, those are also your words



As for me, how many times must I say DON'T MAKE IT EASIER .. MAKE IT a LOT HARDER so that it gets through??



And I'll bet Fash is not a loose gun laws  fan also

I never said make it easier, RW did..



Canada is a hunting nation, so I accept there will always be Cabela's stores selling rifles, ammunition. knives and hunting gear..



But I like the strict rules around handgun ownership and care in this country.

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Quote from: "cc la femme"No one is saying "make is easier " that's your words



Again, she did not say "it's not a tool in fighting terrorism in Orlando"  ... whatever that means. Far as I can see, those are also your words



As for me, how many times must I say DON'T MAKE IT EASIER .. MAKE IT a LOT HARDER so that it gets through??



And I'll bet Fash is not a loose gun laws  fan also

I never said make it easier, RW did..



Canada is a hunting nation, so I accept there will always be Cabela's stores selling rifles, ammunition. knives and hunting gear..



But I like the strict rules around handgun ownership and care in this country.

I think stricter rules and better checks and balances will go a long way in preventing mass shootings in the US.

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"The Czech Republic has less restrictive gun laws than the US, but when there are gun crimes it usually committed by unlicensed owners. More importantly, the Czech Republic has not opened the flood gates to Muslims like France and Belgium have and the result has been no mass attacks like those two countries have had. :t2502:  Their president said it is impossible to integrate Muslims into Europe and the attacks in Western Europe prove he's right.



The only way to stop Islamic terror is to ban Muslims not guns.

Quote from: "RW"Again Fash, this latest shooter got his gun legally.  If you consider all mass shootings acts of terrorism (rather than just the ones carried out by Muslims), the vast majority of them use weapons gained legally.  If guns weren't available legally, mass shootings, by sheer statistical reasoning, would decrease.  They did in Australia.



So I'm a bit confused how one can claim they wouldn't decrease given the evidence to the contrary.

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"The Czech Republic has less restrictive gun laws than the US, but when there are gun crimes it usually committed by unlicensed owners. More importantly, the Czech Republic has not opened the flood gates to Muslims like France and Belgium have and the result has been no mass attacks like those two countries have had. :t2502:  Their president said it is impossible to integrate Muslims into Europe and the attacks in Western Europe prove he's right.



The only way to stop Islamic terror is to ban Muslims not guns.

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"The Czech Republic has less restrictive gun laws than the US, but when there are gun crimes it usually committed by unlicensed owners. More importantly, the Czech Republic has not opened the flood gates to Muslims like France and Belgium have and the result has been no mass attacks like those two countries have had. :t2502:  Their president said it is impossible to integrate Muslims into Europe and the attacks in Western Europe prove he's right.



The only way to stop Islamic terror is to ban Muslims not guns.

We have a more open policy on Muslims and stricter gun laws and few mass shootings and terrorist attacks.



Explain that one Herman's Einstein.

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"The Czech Republic has less restrictive gun laws than the US, but when there are gun crimes it usually committed by unlicensed owners. More importantly, the Czech Republic has not opened the flood gates to Muslims like France and Belgium have and the result has been no mass attacks like those two countries have had. :t2502:  Their president said it is impossible to integrate Muslims into Europe and the attacks in Western Europe prove he's right.



The only way to stop Islamic terror is to ban Muslims not guns.

You nailed it again brother. Strict gun laws in the West, but Muslim terror attacks. Liberal gun ownership laws in the Czech Republic, but few Muslims. Gee, which works better banning Muslims or guns? ac_toofunny

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"The Czech Republic has less restrictive gun laws than the US, but when there are gun crimes it usually committed by unlicensed owners. More importantly, the Czech Republic has not opened the flood gates to Muslims like France and Belgium have and the result has been no mass attacks like those two countries have had. :t2502:  Their president said it is impossible to integrate Muslims into Europe and the attacks in Western Europe prove he's right.



The only way to stop Islamic terror is to ban Muslims not guns.

We have a more open policy on Muslims and stricter gun laws and few mass shootings and terrorist attacks.



Explain that one Herman's Einstein.

We do not have strict gun laws, what are you talking about. I have a criminal record and I had lots of legal firepower at one time.

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"The Czech Republic has less restrictive gun laws than the US, but when there are gun crimes it usually committed by unlicensed owners. More importantly, the Czech Republic has not opened the flood gates to Muslims like France and Belgium have and the result has been no mass attacks like those two countries have had. :t2502:  Their president said it is impossible to integrate Muslims into Europe and the attacks in Western Europe prove he's right.



The only way to stop Islamic terror is to ban Muslims not guns.

We have a more open policy on Muslims and stricter gun laws and few mass shootings and terrorist attacks.



Explain that one Herman's Einstein.

We do not have strict gun laws, what are you talking about. I have a criminal record and I had lots of legal firepower at one time.

Really?  We have much stricter gun laws than the US, including checks and balances.  There are many restrictions on firearms in Canada.

Quote from: "Fashionista"Renee was right, if there had been a check that he was being watched by the FBI and on a no fly list, he would not have been able to purchase his weapons..



But, I am not convinced that would have stopped the tragedy though if the authorities had done that..



He was pretty determined to kill people, so I doubt he would have let legalities get in his way.

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"The Czech Republic has less restrictive gun laws than the US, but when there are gun crimes it usually committed by unlicensed owners. More importantly, the Czech Republic has not opened the flood gates to Muslims like France and Belgium have and the result has been no mass attacks like those two countries have had. :t2502:  Their president said it is impossible to integrate Muslims into Europe and the attacks in Western Europe prove he's right.



The only way to stop Islamic terror is to ban Muslims not guns.

We have a more open policy on Muslims and stricter gun laws and few mass shootings and terrorist attacks.



Explain that one Herman's Einstein.

We do not have strict gun laws, what are you talking about. I have a criminal record and I had lots of legal firepower at one time.

Really?  We have much stricter gun laws than the US, including checks and balances.  There are many restrictions on firearms in Canada.

Other than the lame one day PAL safety course, it is very easy to buy legal guns in this country. In fact, you can get a weapon in about the same time as when I lived in Pennsylvania.

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Quote from: "Fashionista"Renee was right, if there had been a check that he was being watched by the FBI and on a no fly list, he would not have been able to purchase his weapons..



But, I am not convinced that would have stopped the tragedy though if the authorities had done that..



He was pretty determined to kill people, so I doubt he would have let legalities get in his way.

You can say that but you don't know that for certain Fash.

Quote from: "RW"He could have just got one at a gun show or private sale.

QuoteBuying a gun is one part.  There's the type of gun.  How many bullets it can hold.  How it's transported and stored.  Etc.  All of these things make up gun control.

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QuoteBuying a gun is one part.  There's the type of gun.  How many bullets it can hold.  How it's transported and stored.  Etc.  All of these things make up gun control.

US states have laws like that too. But, in all the years I owned some wicked firepower, nobody ever checked that I was storing my firearms in a prescribed way. It's unenforceable.

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"The Czech Republic has less restrictive gun laws than the US, but when there are gun crimes it usually committed by unlicensed owners. More importantly, the Czech Republic has not opened the flood gates to Muslims like France and Belgium have and the result has been no mass attacks like those two countries have had. :t2502:  Their president said it is impossible to integrate Muslims into Europe and the attacks in Western Europe prove he's right.



The only way to stop Islamic terror is to ban Muslims not guns.

You nailed it again brother. Strict gun laws in the West, but Muslim terror attacks. Liberal gun ownership laws in the Czech Republic, but few Muslims. Gee, which works better banning Muslims or guns? ac_toofunny

Hey Herman, 3.2% of our population here in Canada are Muslims.  (The US only has 1% of its population subscribing to Islam.)  



Why don't we have tons of deaths by Muslims?



The Czech Republic has like 0.3% of its population are Muslim yet has more gun deaths than Canada.  Shouldn't it be the other way around if it's all about the big bad Muzzies?

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"The Czech Republic has less restrictive gun laws than the US, but when there are gun crimes it usually committed by unlicensed owners. More importantly, the Czech Republic has not opened the flood gates to Muslims like France and Belgium have and the result has been no mass attacks like those two countries have had. :t2502:  Their president said it is impossible to integrate Muslims into Europe and the attacks in Western Europe prove he's right.



The only way to stop Islamic terror is to ban Muslims not guns.

We have a more open policy on Muslims and stricter gun laws and few mass shootings and terrorist attacks.



Explain that one Herman's Einstein.

We do not have strict gun laws, what are you talking about. I have a criminal record and I had lots of legal firepower at one time.

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Quote from: "iron horse jockey"The Czech Republic has less restrictive gun laws than the US, but when there are gun crimes it usually committed by unlicensed owners. More importantly, the Czech Republic has not opened the flood gates to Muslims like France and Belgium have and the result has been no mass attacks like those two countries have had. :t2502:  Their president said it is impossible to integrate Muslims into Europe and the attacks in Western Europe prove he's right.



The only way to stop Islamic terror is to ban Muslims not guns.

We have a more open policy on Muslims and stricter gun laws and few mass shootings and terrorist attacks.



Explain that one Herman's Einstein.

We do not have strict gun laws, what are you talking about. I have a criminal record and I had lots of legal firepower at one time.

The Orlando shooter could have purchaed guns legally here too and carried the same type of attack on a gay club in one of our cities. Something like this could happen in the future. The chattering classes would inevitably demand chang, but from law abiding gun owners and not Islamic terrorists.

QuoteI don't believe you can legally purchase weapons with large clips here in Canada.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

QuoteApparently they are having trouble tying this asshole to an Islamist terrorist group.  Weird.

Quote from: "Herman"You can have twenty round round mags pinned at five.

Quote from: "RW"I don't believe you can legally purchase weapons with large clips here in Canada.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Quote from: "RW"Thank you.

Quote from: "RW"That's what I read and it makes sense.

Quote from: "RW"I don't think it's a bad thing to make things harder for people to shoot up a place.

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Canada and the United States are not Hungary. We will never build fences to keep Muslims out. We are nations of immigrants.



I do not believe stricter gun control in both countries will stop jihadists who have no fear of dying. But, unlike banning Muslims it's at least doable. it's seen as acting. Like Fash, I see gun bans as being a response more to domestic violence or irresponsible owners who let their guns fall into the hands of children.  Some people should not own guns.....or cars. Besides, guns are just one way terrorists use to mow people down.



I think what Canada is doing now to fight radicalization works. Like that guy working for the RCMP that infiltrated terror cells in Canada and prevented the Via Rail bombing. Keep it up. We are doing a better job than the US and Europe.



PS

I am really surprised by some of your posts lately. I had you pegged as a low key guy who did not want to rock the boat.

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Quote from: "RW"I don't think it's a bad thing to make things harder for people to shoot up a place.

And here is where I disagree...



If people want to shoot, they shoot.



If they are limited to 10 rounds per mag, or five, it really makes no difference.



You'd be really shocked to know that ownership of .50 caliber Browning Machine Gun is perfectly legal here.



THIS is a round that can cause some ruffled feathers!~

Quote from: "iron horse jockey"I was told there is no limit for rimfire mags?