Title: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 01:41:45 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 01:41:45 PM
An Orange County dive team found Lane Graves' body intact about 1:45 p.m., not far from where he was grabbed Tuesday night, Sheriff Jerry Demings said Wednesday.
His body had only a few puncture wounds, according to a source familiar with the investigation.
"Of course, the autopsy has to confirm that, but there is likely no question in my mind that the child was drowned by the alligator," Demings said.
He said the body was found in 6 feet of murky water 10 to 15 yards from where the boy was attacked.
The fact that the body was found intact makes sense, said Jeff Corwin, host of "Ocean Mysteries" on ABC.
"That gator came in, grabbed that boy, pulled him, the dad startled that gator, the gator let him go and then the boy drowned," he said.
Alligators don't swim that far -- they sink into the murky water and lurk there -- which explains why the father did not see the boy when he jumped into the water to try and save him, Corwin said.
The boy's parents are from Elkhorn, Nebraska, and were identified as Matt and Melissa Graves.
"The Graves family appreciates the support they have received and have asked for privacy as they grieve the loss of their son," the sheriff's department tweeted.
Demings said the Graves were distraught yet relieved that this was not a protracted search.
He said he brought a priest with him when breaking the news to the parents, who are Catholic.
Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission Executive Director Nick Wiley said the alligator may have already been caught, but that has not yet been confirmed.
"We're going to make certain that we have the alligator that was involved, and that we remove it from the lake," he said.
Forensics teams will try to determine whether one of the alligators already taken from the lake is the one that dragged off the boy. If not, the search for alligators in the lake will continue.
The boy's family was at a movie night outdoors at the Grand Floridian resort when around 9 p.m. the boy waded into about a foot of water in a lagoon, authorities have said. Witnesses, including the boy's horrified parents, tried to save him. His father jumped in and tried to pry the gator's mouth open. His mother jumped in, too.
But it was too late. The child was dragged underwater in the Seven Seas Lagoon, witnesses told authorities. The lagoon is connected to a series of canals that feed into large bodies of water, Wiley said earlier.
The Reedy Creek emergency services call center first received a report about the attack at 9:16 p.m.
A search began for the boy immediately, with boats from Disney searching along with law enforcement.
By midmorning Wednesday, Disney had closed all beaches in its resort area "out of an abundance of caution" after the attack, a Disney representative said.
Wiley said the child was on the edge of the lagoon when the alligator attacked, according to the boy's family. He cautioned that the investigation is still in an early stage and officials need to interview at least two other families who may have witnessed the attack.
Demings specifically said the child was "wading ... along the lake's edge at the time that the alligator attacked."
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 01:50:57 PM
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 01:50:57 PM
Having lived 3 yrs in Florida I know that every small pond contains a gator ... large bodies of water contain several, each with his own area
That there were no major and plentiful warnings posted, especially in a place frequented by unknowing non-Crackers is unforgivable ... could be getting close to negligible homicide
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: JOE on June 16, 2016, 01:51:55 PM
Post by: JOE on June 16, 2016, 01:51:55 PM
And if I had small children, I wouldn't bring them there. And if it's not the aligators, crocs, then you have snakes and an assortment of reptiles. Uggh.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 01:54:35 PM
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 01:54:35 PM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 01:59:09 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 01:59:09 PM
How sad.Quote from: "Fashionista"
ac_crying http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/15/us/alligator-attacks-child-disney-florida/ Lake Buena Vista, Florida (CNN) — A 2-year-old boy pulled by an alligator into a lagoon near a Walt Disney World hotel has been found dead, authorities said.
An Orange County dive team found Lane Graves' body intact about 1:45 p.m., not far from where he was grabbed Tuesday night, Sheriff Jerry Demings said Wednesday.
His body had only a few puncture wounds, according to a source familiar with the investigation.
"Of course, the autopsy has to confirm that, but there is likely no question in my mind that the child was drowned by the alligator," Demings said.
He said the body was found in 6 feet of murky water 10 to 15 yards from where the boy was attacked.
The fact that the body was found intact makes sense, said Jeff Corwin, host of "Ocean Mysteries" on ABC.
"That gator came in, grabbed that boy, pulled him, the dad startled that gator, the gator let him go and then the boy drowned," he said.
Alligators don't swim that far -- they sink into the murky water and lurk there -- which explains why the father did not see the boy when he jumped into the water to try and save him, Corwin said.
The boy's parents are from Elkhorn, Nebraska, and were identified as Matt and Melissa Graves.
"The Graves family appreciates the support they have received and have asked for privacy as they grieve the loss of their son," the sheriff's department tweeted.
Demings said the Graves were distraught yet relieved that this was not a protracted search.
He said he brought a priest with him when breaking the news to the parents, who are Catholic.
Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission Executive Director Nick Wiley said the alligator may have already been caught, but that has not yet been confirmed.
"We're going to make certain that we have the alligator that was involved, and that we remove it from the lake," he said.
Forensics teams will try to determine whether one of the alligators already taken from the lake is the one that dragged off the boy. If not, the search for alligators in the lake will continue.
The boy's family was at a movie night outdoors at the Grand Floridian resort when around 9 p.m. the boy waded into about a foot of water in a lagoon, authorities have said. Witnesses, including the boy's horrified parents, tried to save him. His father jumped in and tried to pry the gator's mouth open. His mother jumped in, too.
But it was too late. The child was dragged underwater in the Seven Seas Lagoon, witnesses told authorities. The lagoon is connected to a series of canals that feed into large bodies of water, Wiley said earlier.
The Reedy Creek emergency services call center first received a report about the attack at 9:16 p.m.
A search began for the boy immediately, with boats from Disney searching along with law enforcement.
By midmorning Wednesday, Disney had closed all beaches in its resort area "out of an abundance of caution" after the attack, a Disney representative said.
Wiley said the child was on the edge of the lagoon when the alligator attacked, according to the boy's family. He cautioned that the investigation is still in an early stage and officials need to interview at least two other families who may have witnessed the attack.
Demings specifically said the child was "wading ... along the lake's edge at the time that the alligator attacked."
And this comes on the heels of a Disney employee being killed in the Islamic attack on the gay nightclub.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: RW on June 16, 2016, 02:13:39 PM
Post by: RW on June 16, 2016, 02:13:39 PM
Yes. A sad story.Quote from: "cc la femme"
Having lived 3 yrs in Florida I know that every small pond contains a gator ... large bodies of water contain several, each with his own area
That there were no major and plentiful warnings posted, especially in a place frequented by unknowing non-Crackers is unforgivable ... could be getting close to negligible homicide
I have lived in Canada my whole life and even I wouldn't touch water in Florida because of gators.
Disney is going to pay big for that lack of signage but it won't ever be enough for the loss of their child.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 02:22:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 16, 2016, 02:22:53 PM
Yes. A sad story.Quote from: "cc la femme"
Having lived 3 yrs in Florida I know that every small pond contains a gator ... large bodies of water contain several, each with his own area
That there were no major and plentiful warnings posted, especially in a place frequented by unknowing non-Crackers is unforgivable ... could be getting close to negligible homicide
I have lived in Canada my whole life and even I wouldn't touch water in Florida because of gators.
Disney is going to pay big for that lack of signage but it won't ever be enough for the loss of their child.
They should have contract pest control out there regularly looking for gators.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 03:00:19 PM
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 03:00:19 PM
Yes. A sad story.Quote from: "cc la femme"
Having lived 3 yrs in Florida I know that every small pond contains a gator ... large bodies of water contain several, each with his own area
That there were no major and plentiful warnings posted, especially in a place frequented by unknowing non-Crackers is unforgivable ... could be getting close to negligible homicide
I have lived in Canada my whole life and even I wouldn't touch water in Florida because of gators.
Disney is going to pay big for that lack of signage but it won't ever be enough for the loss of their child.
We did not swim much in natural water for that reason.
Clearly Disney is at fault privately and possibly criminally because of poor to no signage for a well known / obvious threat
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: RW on June 16, 2016, 03:03:17 PM
Post by: RW on June 16, 2016, 03:03:17 PM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 03:13:38 PM
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 03:13:38 PM
At the 20 ft marker, guess which was ahead? Of course the horse passed it at about 30 ft and the gator was pooped out totally
After seeing that, we never went anywhere near open fresh water
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: RW on June 16, 2016, 03:36:06 PM
Post by: RW on June 16, 2016, 03:36:06 PM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: kiebers on June 16, 2016, 04:13:18 PM
Post by: kiebers on June 16, 2016, 04:13:18 PM
It did say not to swim but that wasn't adequate IMHO.Quote from: "RW"
Very true. Just like the gorilla episode. There should be no access to those areas. Disney should be held responsible. Not sure they are the only responsible ones though.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Twenty Dollars on June 16, 2016, 06:09:58 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on June 16, 2016, 06:09:58 PM
I've seen them take a wading dog more than once. Right at this spot. A surf break right on the other side of the estero called casitas. No one to sue here.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Twenty Dollars on June 16, 2016, 06:15:51 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on June 16, 2016, 06:15:51 PM
Salt water too.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Annie on June 16, 2016, 06:38:59 PM
Post by: Annie on June 16, 2016, 06:38:59 PM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Twenty Dollars on June 16, 2016, 07:22:44 PM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on June 16, 2016, 07:22:44 PM
Looks like people eat it. I've heard it tastes like dirty fish.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 16, 2016, 07:57:26 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 16, 2016, 07:57:26 PM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: JOE on June 16, 2016, 08:11:10 PM
Post by: JOE on June 16, 2016, 08:11:10 PM
From the information provided, it look like Disney is at fault.
Their Lake was not impervious to Alligators and Crocodiles because it actually connects to outside bodies of water. So that made it a potentially dangerous venue for humans, especially children.
Y'ad think that such an experienced operation like theirs could have forseen the dangers.
When we went to Florida Disney World about 10 years ago there were gators everywhere it seemed. They were in the ditches, the local ponds and a life guard told us that occasionally one would travel across the grass and slip into the private resort swimming pool. We fished at a small pond and there were hugs turtles and we saw a gator slide into the water. It was about 5 feet long. We visited Gatorland and some of them were friggin huge! Even though there were fences (those orange mesh things) around waterways, they still travelled and slid into whatever waterway they wanted to.Quote from: "Annie"
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: JOE on June 16, 2016, 08:23:41 PM
Post by: JOE on June 16, 2016, 08:23:41 PM
...so perhaps indoor pools are the way to go in the Sunshine State?
Yes. A sad story.Quote from: "cc la femme"
Having lived 3 yrs in Florida I know that every small pond contains a gator ... large bodies of water contain several, each with his own area
That there were no major and plentiful warnings posted, especially in a place frequented by unknowing non-Crackers is unforgivable ... could be getting close to negligible homicide
I have lived in Canada my whole life and even I wouldn't touch water in Florida because of gators.
Disney is going to pay big for that lack of signage but it won't ever be enough for the loss of their child.
We did not swim much in natural water for that reason.
Clearly Disney is at fault privately and possibly criminally because of poor to no signage for a well known / obvious threat
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Gallium on June 16, 2016, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: Gallium on June 16, 2016, 08:50:00 PM
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Looks like people eat it. I've heard it tastes like dirty fish.:2r4ml1j_th:
I guess the muddy freshwater and associated diet would affect taste in particular areas. Up in Far North Queensland I tried Crocodile burgers that were bloody delicious. I can best describe the taste to be a combination of salty fish and chicken.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 09:10:41 PM
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 09:10:41 PM
Say TD, are those gators or crocs?
And I thought it was mainly crocks in OZ. "Alligator Dundee" would never fly, lol
Generally speaking, crocs by nature take to brackish water better than gators .. and get bigger and tougher. There are a few crocs in Florida, possibly transplanted , don't know, but only along the ocean areas and in brackish (varying from medium to full salt content) water
In Florida, gators are more inland in shallow waters
Anyone want to hear my Florida big mouth bass interuptus-by-gator fishing tale?
We lived in Sarasota on the Gulf Coast and saw plenty of gators .. ever pond is owned by a male gator
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 16, 2016, 09:17:51 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 16, 2016, 09:17:51 PM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 09:23:30 PM
Post by: cc on June 16, 2016, 09:23:30 PM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 16, 2016, 09:52:37 PM
Post by: @realAzhyaAryola on June 16, 2016, 09:52:37 PM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: kiebers on June 16, 2016, 11:10:18 PM
Post by: kiebers on June 16, 2016, 11:10:18 PM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: JOE on June 16, 2016, 11:53:33 PM
Post by: JOE on June 16, 2016, 11:53:33 PM
I am still having a hard time with a 2 year old being allowed that close to, or in the water. Warning signs or not.Quote from: "kiebers"
Sometimes your advocacy of guns makes sense, K.
Personally if I had one, I would've blown that f**kin' thing's head off.
It deserved it.
This story kinda reminds me of 2 boys who were killed by a python in New Brunswick Canada.
That thing also deserved the royal treatment.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Renee on June 17, 2016, 12:03:23 AM
Post by: Renee on June 17, 2016, 12:03:23 AM
Yes. A sad story.Quote from: "cc la femme"
Having lived 3 yrs in Florida I know that every small pond contains a gator ... large bodies of water contain several, each with his own area
That there were no major and plentiful warnings posted, especially in a place frequented by unknowing non-Crackers is unforgivable ... could be getting close to negligible homicide
I have lived in Canada my whole life and even I wouldn't touch water in Florida because of gators.
Disney is going to pay big for that lack of signage but it won't ever be enough for the loss of their child.
Oh the "no swimming" signs weren't enough warning to stay out of the water? Every lagoon and pond on Disney property has signage stating as such. You have to be blind or brain dead to miss them. Its only Florida (alligator city) FFS.
People are stupid and I guess now signs that say beware of alligators, snapping turtles, water moccasins and other assorted creepy water creatures will now be needed to protect nitwits from themselves.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: JOE on June 17, 2016, 12:08:59 AM
Post by: JOE on June 17, 2016, 12:08:59 AM
The difference.Quote from: "Azhya Aryola"(//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R-1diLkRU-A/Te5nxATskzI/AAAAAAAADy0/bgPQfNPe-n0/s1600/crocodile+snout.jpg%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R-1diLkRU-A/T%20...%20+snout.jpg%22%3Ehttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-R-1diLkRU-A/Te5nxATskzI/AAAAAAAADy0/bgPQfNPe-n0/s1600/crocodile+snout.jpg%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
The aligator has to be one of the (f)ugliest, creepiest & most sinister looking creatures known to man.
They're even more hideous on camera.
Enough to give any child nightmares for years like this latest news story.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Renee on June 17, 2016, 12:56:56 AM
Post by: Renee on June 17, 2016, 12:56:56 AM
I am still having a hard time with a 2 year old being allowed that close to, or in the water. Warning signs or not.Quote from: "kiebers"
Sometimes your advocacy of guns makes sense, K.
Personally if I had one, I would've blown that f**kin' thing's head off.
It deserved it.
This story kinda reminds me of 2 boys who were killed by a python in New Brunswick Canada.
That thing also deserved the royal treatment.
So an alligator deserves to be killed for being and acting like an alligator?
Joe, you get dumber by the minute.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Gallium on June 17, 2016, 04:07:33 AM
Post by: Gallium on June 17, 2016, 04:07:33 AM
You are prolly correct on the type of water. Florida waters are mainly shallow and murky by natureQuote from: "cc la femme"
Say TD, are those gators or crocs?
And I thought it was mainly crocks in OZ. "Alligator Dundee" would never fly, lol
Generally speaking, crocs by nature take to brackish water better than gators .. and get bigger and tougher. There are a few crocs in Florida, possibly transplanted , don't know, but only along the ocean areas and in brackish (varying from medium to full salt content) water
In Florida, gators are more inland in shallow waters
Anyone want to hear my Florida big mouth bass interuptus-by-gator fishing tale?
We lived in Sarasota on the Gulf Coast and saw plenty of gators .. ever pond is owned by a male gator
Only two species of Crocodile in Oz, no Alligator...the Johnstones freshwater (unique to only Australia) and the Salty.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Twenty Dollars on June 17, 2016, 09:17:04 AM
Post by: Twenty Dollars on June 17, 2016, 09:17:04 AM
I am still having a hard time with a 2 year old being allowed that close to, or in the water. Warning signs or not.Quote from: "kiebers"
Sometimes your advocacy of guns makes sense, K.
Personally if I had one, I would've blown that f**kin' thing's head off.
It deserved it.
This story kinda reminds me of 2 boys who were killed by a python in New Brunswick Canada.
That thing also deserved the royal treatment.
So an alligator deserves to be killed for being and acting like an alligator?
Joe, you get dumber by the minute.:nea:
Right. Not the animals fault. It's instinct. I'm glad the little boy's body was found. Think about the grief and horrible thoughts that family would carry around forever, if his body was not recovered.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2016, 01:23:07 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 17, 2016, 01:23:07 PM
You are prolly correct on the type of water. Florida waters are mainly shallow and murky by natureQuote from: "cc la femme"
Say TD, are those gators or crocs?
And I thought it was mainly crocks in OZ. "Alligator Dundee" would never fly, lol
Generally speaking, crocs by nature take to brackish water better than gators .. and get bigger and tougher. There are a few crocs in Florida, possibly transplanted , don't know, but only along the ocean areas and in brackish (varying from medium to full salt content) water
In Florida, gators are more inland in shallow waters
Anyone want to hear my Florida big mouth bass interuptus-by-gator fishing tale?
We lived in Sarasota on the Gulf Coast and saw plenty of gators .. ever pond is owned by a male gator
Only two species of Crocodile in Oz, no Alligator...the Johnstones freshwater (unique to only Australia) and the Salty.ac_smile
Is the salty in the Northern Territory and North Queensland only?
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: JOE on June 17, 2016, 11:45:49 PM
Post by: JOE on June 17, 2016, 11:45:49 PM
Some friends watched as one of them was eaten alive by a crocodile, then they had to run up a tree and stay there for nearly 24 hours. That must haunt the onlookers for the rest of their lives.
Those things are positively evil.
You are prolly correct on the type of water. Florida waters are mainly shallow and murky by natureQuote from: "cc la femme"
Say TD, are those gators or crocs?
And I thought it was mainly crocks in OZ. "Alligator Dundee" would never fly, lol
Generally speaking, crocs by nature take to brackish water better than gators .. and get bigger and tougher. There are a few crocs in Florida, possibly transplanted , don't know, but only along the ocean areas and in brackish (varying from medium to full salt content) water
In Florida, gators are more inland in shallow waters
Anyone want to hear my Florida big mouth bass interuptus-by-gator fishing tale?
We lived in Sarasota on the Gulf Coast and saw plenty of gators .. ever pond is owned by a male gator
Only two species of Crocodile in Oz, no Alligator...the Johnstones freshwater (unique to only Australia) and the Salty.ac_smile
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 18, 2016, 12:03:26 AM
Post by: cc on June 18, 2016, 12:03:26 AM
They are not evil. Animals are not evil. That description is reserved for some people
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Gallium on June 18, 2016, 08:57:12 PM
Post by: Gallium on June 18, 2016, 08:57:12 PM
You are prolly correct on the type of water. Florida waters are mainly shallow and murky by natureQuote from: "cc la femme"
Say TD, are those gators or crocs?
And I thought it was mainly crocks in OZ. "Alligator Dundee" would never fly, lol
Generally speaking, crocs by nature take to brackish water better than gators .. and get bigger and tougher. There are a few crocs in Florida, possibly transplanted , don't know, but only along the ocean areas and in brackish (varying from medium to full salt content) water
In Florida, gators are more inland in shallow waters
Anyone want to hear my Florida big mouth bass interuptus-by-gator fishing tale?
We lived in Sarasota on the Gulf Coast and saw plenty of gators .. ever pond is owned by a male gator
Only two species of Crocodile in Oz, no Alligator...the Johnstones freshwater (unique to only Australia) and the Salty.ac_smile
Is the salty in the Northern Territory and North Queensland only?
Also across the top of Western Australia...basically the tropical zone. Check out the worldwide distribution of crocodiles below Fash. The yellow band across the top of Australia is the Salty.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 18, 2016, 11:06:51 PM
Post by: cc on June 18, 2016, 11:06:51 PM
Appears crocs can be either, depending on species I would assume?? or some species of croc can take to any water?
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Gallium on June 18, 2016, 11:32:04 PM
Post by: Gallium on June 18, 2016, 11:32:04 PM
Thanks Gallium. I am not certain, but I think most if not all gators pretty much stick to fresh or almost fresh water.Quote from: "cc la femme"
Appears crocs can be either, depending on species I would assume?? or some species of croc can take to any water?
Hey CC...alligators don't like the salt at all, although will tolerate some brackish water if a particular prey is present. The freshwater and associated plant growth supports their preferred habitats.
Both the freshwater and saltwater crocodiles are able to overlap habitats. However the large growth size in the salty expands it's range in search of larger and more abundant pickings, for example, a large seal sunning itself on the edge of the beach or a decaying whale carcass. And even sharks on occasion...
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 19, 2016, 12:45:55 AM
Post by: cc on June 19, 2016, 12:45:55 AM
I've seen gators pretty close up in the wild and they are powerful and scary, but I'm aware that crocs start there and keep going up
There are a few crocs in brackish to full ocean water in S Eastern Florida. Many suspect they were put there by man and not "natural" to the area. I'm not 100 sure if that is correct
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Gallium on June 19, 2016, 12:58:52 AM
Post by: Gallium on June 19, 2016, 12:58:52 AM
That's basically what I had thought. Thanks for confirming itQuote from: "cc la femme"
I've seen gators pretty close up in the wild and they are powerful and scary, but I'm aware that crocs start there and keep going up
There are a few crocs in brackish to full ocean water in S Eastern Florida. Many suspect they were put there by man and not "natural" to the area. I'm not 100 sure if that is correct
I'm a big fan of the tv show, The Python Hunters. A huge problem there is the release of exotic pets that have literally outgrown their stay and are released into the Everglades and Wetland surrounds. Crocodiles, Burmese Pythons and African Rock Pythons are a few such examples.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 19, 2016, 01:22:03 AM
Post by: cc on June 19, 2016, 01:22:03 AM
One thing Florida fears greatly is piranhas being released and taking hold
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: JOE on June 19, 2016, 02:38:04 AM
Post by: JOE on June 19, 2016, 02:38:04 AM
That's why we need more tigers and we shouldn't kill them off.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 19, 2016, 02:56:24 AM
Post by: cc on June 19, 2016, 02:56:24 AM
They are scary to me, but not evil.
Like all life, they just try to survive with the tools they were born with
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: kiebers on June 19, 2016, 08:12:44 PM
Post by: kiebers on June 19, 2016, 08:12:44 PM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: JOE on June 19, 2016, 10:23:21 PM
Post by: JOE on June 19, 2016, 10:23:21 PM
If it's all but certain that they are going to kill you or someone near you, you must kill them.
As the saying goes, "Terminate with Extreme Prejudice."
Wild animals are not cuddly creatures. You shouldn't humanize or have any compassion for them.
I should know. I could have wound up in the belly of one once. I came very close.
They see you as their next meal.
Kill them before they kill you.
I am still having a hard time with a 2 year old being allowed that close to, or in the water. Warning signs or not.Quote from: "kiebers"
Sometimes your advocacy of guns makes sense, K.
Personally if I had one, I would've blown that f**kin' thing's head off.
It deserved it.
This story kinda reminds me of 2 boys who were killed by a python in New Brunswick Canada.
That thing also deserved the royal treatment.
So an alligator deserves to be killed for being and acting like an alligator?
Joe, you get dumber by the minute.:nea:
Right. Not the animals fault. It's instinct. I'm glad the little boy's body was found. Think about the grief and horrible thoughts that family would carry around forever, if his body was not recovered.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 19, 2016, 10:31:18 PM
Post by: cc on June 19, 2016, 10:31:18 PM
........If it's all but certain that they are going to kill you or someone near you, you must kill them ....Quote
No shit Shylock
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: JOE on June 19, 2016, 10:39:56 PM
Post by: JOE on June 19, 2016, 10:39:56 PM
........If it's all but certain that they are going to kill you or someone near you, you must kill them ....Quote
No shit Shylock
...but too often, many women are killed or maimed in wild animal attacks, cc.
Unlike men, most women don't seem to know how to fight back.
A few might, but that must be a very rare exception.
A man is far more likely to survive an attack by a wild animal, and in some cases they actually manage to kill them with their bare hands.
Men evolved to become killers and hunters. Perhaps this is not desireable in modern society, but in the wild it is.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: kiebers on June 19, 2016, 11:39:13 PM
Post by: kiebers on June 19, 2016, 11:39:13 PM
........If it's all but certain that they are going to kill you or someone near you, you must kill them ....Quote
No shit Shylock...but too often, many women are killed or maimed in wild animal attacks, cc.
Unlike men, most women don't seem to know how to fight back.
A few might, but that must be a very rare exception.
A man is far more likely to survive an attack by a wild animal, and in some cases they actually manage to kill them with their bare hands.
Men evolved to become killers and hunters. Perhaps this is not desireable in modern society, but in the wild it is.
All right Mr. Condescension, give the links to back up your statements.
knock knock
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: RW on June 20, 2016, 12:03:28 AM
Post by: RW on June 20, 2016, 12:03:28 AM
This one was just yestermorrow:
So you sees Joey, ladies done fight good against the wild beasties.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 20, 2016, 12:11:59 AM
Post by: cc on June 20, 2016, 12:11:59 AM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: JOE on June 20, 2016, 12:46:30 AM
Post by: JOE on June 20, 2016, 12:46:30 AM
Around these here parts old Joe, we have some real nasty critters. One of the nastiest is the cougar. They done come and pounce on ya out of nowheres. You see here, this momma was walking with her wee little feller in them here woods when a cougar done attacked the tyke. The momma done beat that cat off with her bare hands she did. Seems lots of mommas save their little ones from dem big ole cats:Quote from: "RW"http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/british-columbia/mom-saves-boy-from-cougar-attack-1.895305
Well 'Real, I never did say women never fight them off.
I said they do it, but on a rare occasion. Most likely when they're protecting their children.As in all animal species, ya caint beat that maternal instinct, 'Real!
sadly, I know they had to kill the cougar, but I can't help but think its a beautiful animal even in death:
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 02:11:10 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 20, 2016, 02:11:10 PM
Surfside Tx. Thirty miles or so west of Galveston.Quote from: "kiebers"(//%3C/s%3E%3CIMGUR%20id=%22Ci4ZXUB%22%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i.imgur.com/Ci4ZXUB.jpg%22%3Ehttp://i.imgur.com/Ci4ZXUB.jpg%3C/URL%3E%3C/IMGUR%3E%3Ce%3E)(//%3C/s%3E%3CIMGUR%20id=%229zqwEqG%22%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://i.imgur.com/9zqwEqG.jpg?1%22%3Ehttp://i.imgur.com/9zqwEqG.jpg?1%3C/URL%3E%3C/IMGUR%3E%3Ce%3E)
Other than that reptile, the beach is all your own.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: cc on June 20, 2016, 02:45:19 PM
Post by: cc on June 20, 2016, 02:45:19 PM
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: kiebers on June 20, 2016, 03:56:15 PM
Post by: kiebers on June 20, 2016, 03:56:15 PM
It is usually crowded at Surfside. As you move east the crowd thins quite a bit. There are several places along the coast road that the bay water is close enough to allow crossing. I'm sure that's where it came from.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 21, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
They saw the alligator and ran screaming...LOLIt is usually crowded at Surfside. As you move east the crowd thins quite a bit. There are several places along the coast road that the bay water is close enough to allow crossing. I'm sure that's where it came from.
I would too kiebers..
I'm such a chicken.
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: smell the glove on June 22, 2016, 03:33:41 AM
Post by: smell the glove on June 22, 2016, 03:33:41 AM
All others will typically avoid humans in most circumstances. The Polar Bear will not! You are an easy dinner!
The more you know!
Title: Re: two year old boy attacked and drowned by alligator near Disney World hotel
Post by: Gallium on June 23, 2016, 04:18:55 AM
Post by: Gallium on June 23, 2016, 04:18:55 AM
Did you know that the Polar Bear is essentially the only mammal on Earth that will not instinctively avoid a human?Quote from: "smell the glove"
All others will typically avoid humans in most circumstances. The Polar Bear will not! You are an easy dinner!
The more you know!
And their skin is black and their fur is transparent.
The more you know...