Title: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 02:19:14 PM
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 02:19:14 PM
[This was BEFORE their most respected and strongest country left them ... all alone now]
This survey includes countries that account for 80% of the EU-28 population and 82% of the EU's GDP.
The British are not the only ones with doubts about the European Union.
The EU's image and stature have been on a roller coaster ride in recent years throughout Europe. In a number of nations the portion of the public with a favorable view of the Brussels-based institution fell markedly from 2012 to 2013 as the European economy cratered. It subsequently rebounded in 2014 and 2015.
But the EU is again experiencing a sharp dip in public support in a number of its largest member states.
EU favorability is down in five of the six nations surveyed in both 2015 and 2016.
There has been a double-digit drop in France (down 17 percentage points) and Spain (16 points), and single-digit declines in Germany (8 points), the United Kingdom (7 points) and Italy (6 points).
a median of 70% in the nine EU nations surveyed that don't get a vote June 23 believe it would be bad for the EU if the UK decided to depart. Only 16% say it would be a good thing. (May I suggest that means "for them")
Now what most people in the EU consider to be the the top country of them all has left, I wonder what today's stats would show?
Title: Re: Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2016, 02:25:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2016, 02:25:11 PM
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 02:28:19 PM
There were many more than that against "Leave" just as there is always many against EVERY vote.
They had their chance thanks to Cameron's sneaky call this year made because in future years it would be even stronger to leave.
He tried to head that off, but it didn't end the way he arrogantly thought it would. He and they blew it
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 02:32:46 PM
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 02:32:46 PM
Without the UK, there is a lot less reason to stay
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: RW on June 25, 2016, 02:36:00 PM
Post by: RW on June 25, 2016, 02:36:00 PM
That was expected.Quote from: "cc la femme"
There were many more than that against "Leave" just as there is always many against EVERY vote.
They had their chance thanks to Cameron's sneaky call this year made because in future years it would be even stronger to leave.
He tried to head that off, but it didn't end the way he arrogantly thought it would. He and they blew it
That's exactly how people who know Cameron describe him - arrogant. I'm glad he got his.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2016, 02:39:40 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2016, 02:39:40 PM
That was expected.Quote from: "cc la femme"
There were many more than that against "Leave" just as there is always many against EVERY vote.
They had their chance thanks to Cameron's sneaky call this year made because in future years it would be even stronger to leave.
He tried to head that off, but it didn't end the way he arrogantly thought it would. He and they blew it
That's exactly how people who know Cameron describe him - arrogant. I'm glad he got his.
Ya, but he had Nigel Farage and the UK Independence Party pushing him. He was bleeding support to them. It was a huge gamble he took though, that is obvious.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: RW on June 25, 2016, 02:42:09 PM
Post by: RW on June 25, 2016, 02:42:09 PM
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2016, 02:44:22 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 25, 2016, 02:44:22 PM
And he lost. So sad.Quote from: "RW"
Will Boris Johnson be the new Tory leader? He might be better at negotiating a better exit deal for Britain.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: JOE on June 25, 2016, 02:57:40 PM
Post by: JOE on June 25, 2016, 02:57:40 PM
PEW Research, as good as it gets, has been following EU support for many years.Quote from: "cc la femme"http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/07/euroskepticism-beyond-brexit/ (//%3C/s%3E%3CURL%20url=%22http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2016/06/PM_2016.06.07_brexit-01.png%22%3E%3CLINK_TEXT%20text=%22http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2016/06/%20...%20xit-01.png%22%3Ehttp://www.pewglobal.org/files/2016/06/PM_2016.06.07_brexit-01.png%3C/LINK_TEXT%3E%3C/URL%3E%3Ce%3E)
....interestingly, its the former Eastern Bloc ex-communist satellites of the Soviet Union who favor the EU the most. I guess they haven't forgotten Soviet Rule, when the USSR rolled its tanks in their countries and never left.
Without Britain there, and the EU disintegrating, there would be much less incentive to protect them. So they must be sitting scared like lame ducks after the Brexit referendum results.
Britain was like a lynchpin to the EU, protecting other nations too.
So not everything was desireable about the result.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 03:04:21 PM
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 03:04:21 PM
You are likely right on the old Soviet countries counting on protection ... but with UK gone and others likely leaving the game will be changed drastically for them ... .watch their support of EU fall from here on in ... and "Alliances" forming
It may all result in a more vibrant NATO once O leaves
And yes RW, I and many saw Cameron as an arrogant prick. .. it couldn't have happened to a better guy ... this will now be his only legacy
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 03:06:37 PM
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 03:06:37 PM
Theresa May, the home secretary, is emerging as the leading choice for a "Stop Boris" candidate among Conservative MPs who want a new prime minister to unify the party after Britain's vote to leave the EU.
Boris Johnson, the former London mayor, is the clear favourite to succeed David Cameron, who resigned after the referendum result on Friday. Johnson's decision to campaign for Brexit boosted his popularity with the party grassroots.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 03:19:14 PM
Post by: cc on June 25, 2016, 03:19:14 PM
Sounds like Iran where the govt gets to pick not the leader itself, but who can run for office ... and who cannot
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Beyond Brexit Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2016, 01:36:52 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2016, 01:36:52 PM
Not sure about Boris. Tories will never forgive him for staying neutral ... which would make him the best Tory to rule the exit, but least likely to be picked ..... a mixed bag on that one. Sadly it's Tory MPs who get to pickQuote from: "cc la femme"
Theresa May, the home secretary, is emerging as the leading choice for a "Stop Boris" candidate among Conservative MPs who want a new prime minister to unify the party after Britain's vote to leave the EU.
Boris Johnson, the former London mayor, is the clear favourite to succeed David Cameron, who resigned after the referendum result on Friday. Johnson's decision to campaign for Brexit boosted his popularity with the party grassroots.http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/25/theresa-may-emerges-as-stop-boris-tory-leadership-candidate
I don't know much about Boris Johnson, but I do know that there are comparisons to Donald Trump.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2016, 07:06:11 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2016, 07:06:11 PM
The Scottish Parliament may have the constitutional power to block the United Kingdom's exit from the European Union, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says.Quote
Key points:
Ms Sturgeon says Scotland could veto Brexit laws to protect its interests
It would do so by blocking a motion of legislative consent
First Minister says independence referendum 'highly likely'
Scotland, a nation of five million people, voted to stay in the EU by 62 to 38 per cent in the Brexit referendum, putting it at odds with the UK as a whole, which voted 52 to 48 per cent in favour of an exit from the bloc.
How brave is Scotland?
Many Scots feel cheated by last week's Brexit referendum, and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has two ways Scotland could defy the rest of the UK and stay inside the EU, writes Europe correspondent Steve Cannane.
Under the UK's complex arrangements to devolve some powers to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, legislation generated in London to give effect to the vote to leave the EU would have to gain consent from the three devolved Parliaments.
Asked on BBC television whether she would consider asking the Scottish Parliament to block a motion of legislative consent, Sturgeon said: "Of course".
"If the Scottish Parliament was judging this on the basis of what's right for Scotland then the option of saying that we're not going to vote for something that is against Scotland's interest, of course that's going to be on the table," she said.
"Don't get me wrong, I care about the rest of the UK, I care about England, that's why I'm so upset at the UK-wide decision that's been taken."
Ms Sturgeon's Scottish National Party holds 63 of the 129 Scottish Parliament seats.
When asked whether she could imagine the fury of the British people if she stopped them from leaving Europe, she said it was similar to the fury of the Scottish.
"I can, but it's perhaps very similar to the fury of many people in Scotland right now, as we face the prospect of being taken out of the European Union against our will," she said.
Ms Sturgeon said the UK that Scotland voted to remain a part of in the 2014 independence referendum did "not exist any more" and it was her responsibility to negotiate with the EU to try to protect her country's interests.
"My challenge now as First Minister is to work out how I best protect Scotland's interests, how I try to prevent us being taken out of the EU against our will with all of the deeply damaging and painful consequences that that will entail," she said.
"My challenge, but also my responsibility as First Minister, is to seek to negotiate to protect Scotland's interests."http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-26/sturgeon-to-negotiate-best-way-forward-for-scotland/7545104
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2016, 07:40:30 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2016, 07:40:30 PM
Labour crisis: As many as 150 MPs expected to vote to oust Jeremy Corbyn after 35 shadow ministers quit
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: cc on June 27, 2016, 07:57:51 PM
Post by: cc on June 27, 2016, 07:57:51 PM
Edit - oh oh ... 46 now
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW!!!
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2016, 09:12:31 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2016, 09:12:31 PM
now it's 44 of 48 goneQuote from: "cc la femme"
Edit - oh oh ... 46 now
Corbyn is toast.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: cc on June 28, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
Post by: cc on June 28, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
Next year France
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 06:19:35 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 06:19:35 PM
Next year France
Most of the members of the European parliament have never had a real job in their lives.
Farage is a hero to average people everywhere who are getting screwed over by big government working with big corporations and big environmental organizations.
Ceec, do you think Marine Le Pen will win the French presidency?
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: cc on June 28, 2016, 06:27:29 PM
Post by: cc on June 28, 2016, 06:27:29 PM
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: cc on June 28, 2016, 06:33:43 PM
Post by: cc on June 28, 2016, 06:33:43 PM
Ceec, do you think Marine Le Pen will win the French presidency?Quote from: "Herman"
Don't follow it closely so cannot express an opinion beyond she is doing very well
It will come front and center next year
I do suspect that UK leaving will help her - I showed PEW's trend in France earlier and the numbers (and consistent downward direction over years) show really poor EU support
In fact numbers for and against are far more striking in that regard than the UK
Note not just the numbers but the last 2 yrs for France - and for Germany also - in fact, all the oldies are noticeably headed downward
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: cc on June 28, 2016, 10:46:13 PM
Post by: cc on June 28, 2016, 10:46:13 PM
The leader of the National Front in France has hailed Britain's decision to leave the EU - and has called for France to hold a similar referendum.......
.......Speaking during a press conference with a backdrop saying 'Brexit - and now France', Marine Le Pen said the choice for Britain to leave was a 'historic moment'
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she and hers got the most votes in the latest bi-elections.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 11:04:49 PM
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 11:04:49 PM
France's Front National is now attracting voters of all ages, as a recent poll has revealed the Eurosceptic, anti-immigration party is now the top choice for 18-30 year olds.
With between 27 and 31 per cent of French youth saying they are ready to vote for Marine Le Pen, Le Point notes that the time of the Front National's widespread demonisation now seems long gone.
Having voted decisively in the country's 2012 elections for the current head of state, Francois Hollande, Le Monde reports that the latest study, done by Ifop for France's National Association of Boards for Children and Youth (Anacej), shows young people in France have turned their back on the Socialist Party President.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 12:02:57 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 12:02:57 AM
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 01:11:01 AM
Post by: Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 01:11:01 AM
Le Pen and the Eurosceptic parties are protest parties. They would govern very differently.Quote from: "iron horse jockey"
You mean their post election actions would not match their pre election populist rhetoric? I would be surprised if it did.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2016, 12:16:15 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2016, 12:16:15 PM
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2016, 12:23:17 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 04, 2016, 12:23:17 PM
There is a movement in Holland as well to hold a referendum on leaving the EU..
Perhaps it would be called Nexit if it were to be held, but it probably won't happen.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 02:21:53 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2016, 02:21:53 PM
So, Boris Johnson is out as a candidate and his supporters are pissed at Michael Gove.Quote from: "seoulbro"http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/03/boris-johnson-allies-accuse-michael-gove-of-being-a-machiavellia/
Gove will not win the Tory leadership.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: JOE on July 05, 2016, 02:37:17 PM
Post by: JOE on July 05, 2016, 02:37:17 PM
The EU should allow their members to have complete control over their immigration policies and the ability to close their borders. Its evident that the concept/policy of open borders doesn't work anymore. Maybe it did for 30 years or so, but it today's post-terrorist world, no more. Too bad, so sad, but that is the reality now.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2016, 06:23:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 06, 2016, 06:23:00 PM
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: Anonymous on July 10, 2016, 06:36:36 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 10, 2016, 06:36:36 PM
Reduce the size of the EU bureaucracy and return to a trading bloc again. Repeal the Maastricht Treaty.Quote from: "Shen Li"
It will be as interesting to see how the EU deals with current member states unhappiness just as much as the upcoming negotiations over Britain's departure.
Title: Re: PEW - Euroskepticism Before Brexit - Significant opposition in key European countries - What will it be NOW???
Post by: Angry White Male on July 11, 2016, 04:48:15 AM
Post by: Angry White Male on July 11, 2016, 04:48:15 AM
There is a movement in Holland as well to hold a referendum on leaving the EU..Quote from: "Fashionista"
My family in Germany would certainly vote "out" should it come to a vote.
They were not happy when the "EU" was essentially forced upon them.
Nothing but problems, which they predicted would happen.